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And then there’s your dumbass Governor that is the complete opposite. That is unless you only steal $999 or don’t want to pay your landlord. Or you’re a druggie taking a shit on the sidewalk. Or spanking a thing with tits and a cock spanking another thing in front of kids. Then it’s all good.
Have you ever been to CA?
 
Have you ever been to CA?

Yeah. Also have friends that live there and own properties. The state is getting worse by the day.

What did I say that was inaccurate? Theft under X $ goes unpunished. Landlords are handcuffed by state laws with evictions. Tent cities run amok. Pride parades full of depravity. And kids welcomed. Absolute freaking disgrace.

I will say. At least ole Gav balked on reparations. Or had his bluff called.

At this point, as a proclaimed Mormon, you have your head so deep in the Mojave you’ve damn near found the earths core. How on earth you can still proudly be a Democrat is baffling.
 
And then there’s your dumbass Governor that is the complete opposite. That is unless you only steal $999 or don’t want to pay your landlord. Or you’re a druggie taking a shit on the sidewalk. Or spanking a thing with tits and a cock spanking another thing in front of kids. Then it’s all good.
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This is a terrible idea. I’ve always been in favor of the athletes being able to earn what they can. However there should be and needs to be some oversight and rules. I’m not saying the NCAA should be the vehicle for that but there should be something in place.
Disagree 100%. This NIL bill isn’t immune from any other applicable state laws. It’s not a free for all. If illegal activities are undertaken by NIL collectives they will be addressed appropriately by any applicable Texas civil or criminal statutes.

The worst thing that can happen to NIL and college athletics is either the NCAA or some other separate governing body providing additional oversight over and above existing laws.

This is the best for NIL in Texas and it’s going to make all Texas schools compete favorably for student athletes. All the major Texas schools have very active and well funded NIL collectives that allow them to compete among the top programs in the country.

Just watch. Most other states are going to be following the lead of Texas. That’s going to completely handcuff the NCAA from imposing a bunch of stupid rules in the name of “fairness”. The only way the NCAA can impose their way is to convince the US Congress to pass legislation. Good luck with that! As long as the House is controlled by Republicans that is never going to happen.
 
And then there’s your dumbass Governor that is the complete opposite. That is unless you only steal $999 or don’t want to pay your landlord. Or you’re a druggie taking a shit on the sidewalk. Or spanking a thing with tits and a cock spanking another thing in front of kids. Then it’s all good.
Come on Weevil!! You know you can’t be introducing actual facts into this. It’s all about feelings. I mean, factually that douchebag Newsome proclaims California is a sanctuary state. But he’s gonna arrest DeSantis for flying Wets to LA.
Abbot conservative= Abbot BAD.
Newsome liberal = Newsome AWESOME.
 
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Come on Weevil!! You know you can’t be introducing actual facts into this. It’s all about feelings. I mean, factually that douchebag Newsome proclaims California is a sanctuary state. But he’s gonna arrest DeSantis for flying Wets to LA.
Abbot conservative= Abbot BAD.
Newsome liberal = Newsome AWESOME.

Haha. No doubt.

With that said, no oversight and no regulation is dangerous.
 
Yeah. Also have friends that live there and own properties. The state is getting worse by the day.

What did I say that was inaccurate? Theft under X $ goes unpunished. Landlords are handcuffed by state laws with evictions. Tent cities run amok. Pride parades full of depravity. And kids welcomed. Absolute freaking disgrace.

I will say. At least ole Gav balked on reparations. Or had his bluff called.

At this point, as a proclaimed Mormon, you have your head so deep in the Mojave you’ve damn near found the earths core. How on earth you can still proudly be a Democrat is baffling.
Well first of all I live in Sacramento not the Mojave lol too hot down there.

You know the courts are so backlogged they can't handle everything and it's like that in a lot of states. I don't want go into detail.
 
Well first of all I live in Sacramento not the Mojave lol too hot down there.

You know the courts are so backlogged they can't handle everything and it's like that in a lot of states. I don't want go into detail.
Yeah, those details would get in the way of your argument.
 
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Well first of all I live in Sacramento not the Mojave lol too hot down there.

You know the courts are so backlogged they can't handle everything and it's like that in a lot of states. I don't want go into detail.

Cali, my man, I believe you’re a good dude and probably nice as anyone, but you are ignoring the obvious I feel. I have a handful of friends that all complain about the same things and it is what I have described in my other posts.

Owning a small business or owning properties is becoming detrimental.

There is no denying that Gavin Newsome is a clown. Or puppet. Probably both.

I also believe Dan Patrick is in the same circus. Abbott is too loose and Paxton needs to own up to his allegations.

Texas republicans refuse to fix the ills of education, support teachers, etc. They’d rather it burn to the ground, blame Dems and pay for vouchers for the 5% that’ll take advantage of school choice.

I say all that so you can understand I’m not coming from a place of partisanship.
 
I could have sworn that I read that two very nice Hotels in San Francisco are closing because of no financing available. I will try and find the story. I did read where a tourist was in a store in San Francisco and watched a guy walk up and grab a Jerky rack off the counter and simply walk out. He asked the clerk..." I am not from around here. Is paying for items optional now?"

I think a law was just passed in California that says that store employees can not be made to stop anyone frm stealing from a store or even ask them to stop. It is like an OSHA deal.The employee is not forbidden from trying to stop the bad guys. They just cannot be punished for not doing so. The stores could hire special security staff to do that.

Would you like to invest there?
 
I could have sworn that I read that two very nice Hotels in San Francisco are closing because of no financing available. I will try and find the story. I did read where a tourist was in a store in San Francisco and watched a guy walk up and grab a Jerky rack off the counter and simply walk out. He asked the clerk..." I am not from around here. Is paying for items optional now?"

I think a law was just passed in California that says that store employees can not be made to stop anyone frm stealing from a store or even ask them to stop. It is like an OSHA deal.The employee is not forbidden from trying to stop the bad guys. They just cannot be punished for not doing so. The stores could hire special security staff to do that.

Would you like to invest there?
I looked up the California Penal Code, Neither are true. It is considered shoplifting if the value is under $995.

Taken from PC 459.5

shoplifting is a misdemeanor crime and punishable by up to six months in a county jail and fine up to $1,000, unless the defendant has one of more prior convictions.

the principle of shopkeeper's privilege permits shopkeepers (or store owners or merchants) to detain a customer if they have probable cause that the person is guilty of shoplifting

I imagine most companies have a policy to call the police instead of detaining shoplifters due legal liability.
 
I could have sworn that I read that two very nice Hotels in San Francisco are closing because of no financing available. I will try and find the story. I did read where a tourist was in a store in San Francisco and watched a guy walk up and grab a Jerky rack off the counter and simply walk out. He asked the clerk..." I am not from around here. Is paying for items optional now?"

I think a law was just passed in California that says that store employees can not be made to stop anyone frm stealing from a store or even ask them to stop. It is like an OSHA deal.The employee is not forbidden from trying to stop the bad guys. They just cannot be punished for not doing so. The stores could hire special security staff to do that.

Would you like to invest there?
Look I work part time at a home depot as a cashier. After I started 2 dudes took a couple of carts full off stuff and walked away without paying. I walked out shouting hey you didn't pay for that.

But a couple of managers looked at me and shook their heads. You can get fired for physically trying to stop it. I can see their point. Believe me it's not worth it.

A couple of months ago in Pleasanton, east bay town about an hour from us, an employee was shot and killed trying to stop a lady from stealing a battery.

He was a loss prevention guy and they have more leeway to stop a theft than other employees. That same night somebody in our store stole over a $1000 worth of power tools from our store. It was locked to prevent theft. But they did and without bolt cutters. Then they put it on a flatbed cart. No the cashier didn't try to stop it.

Looks when someone at your hotel or store steals something you DON'T try to stop it. I don't care what state you live in don't try to stop it because there's a good chance you'll get shot. I totally get this reasoning.

A lot of guys on here talk big about using guns. But if they're ever in that situation they wouldn't stop it either.

Why? because it isn't worth it.
 
Look I work part time at a home depot as a cashier. After I started 2 dudes took a couple of carts full off stuff and walked away without paying. I walked out shouting hey you didn't pay for that.

But a couple of managers looked at me and shook their heads. You can get fired for physically trying to stop it. I can see their point. Believe me it's not worth it.

A couple of months ago in Pleasanton, east bay town about an hour from us, an employee was shot and killed trying to stop a lady from stealing a battery.

He was a loss prevention guy and they have more leeway to stop a theft than other employees. That same night somebody in our store stole over a $1000 worth of power tools from our store. It was locked to prevent theft. But they did and without bolt cutters. Then they put it on a flatbed cart. No the cashier didn't try to stop it.

Looks when someone at your hotel or store steals something you DON'T try to stop it. I don't care what state you live in don't try to stop it because there's a good chance you'll get shot. I totally get this reasoning.

A lot of guys on here talk big about using guns. But if they're ever in that situation they wouldn't stop it either.

Why? because it isn't worth it.
IF you are a major corporation then the issues work workers comp and legal liability make it not worth it. Target has some of the best loss prevention program in corporate America and they still let people walk.

If you are small business owner its different and petty theft can impact profitability. But lets say an employee gets hurt trying to stop a beer run. You are out whatever wholesale on that case was but now you have to look an the issues with workers comp.

That being said the shoplifting in California and crime in general have been vaslty over reported by right wing media. The rates are relatively flat when compared over decades long trends and much lower than rates from the 70-90s. There was a uptick during the pandemic but those rates have dropped. The highest crime rates in the state appear to be in the San Joaquin Valley and Fresno but even still rates there are lower than in Dallas and Houston.
 
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IF you are a major corporation then the issues work workers comp and legal liability make it not worth it. Target has some of the best loss prevention program in corporate America and they still let people walk.

If you are small business owner its different and petty theft can impact profitability. But lets say an employee gets hurt trying to stop a beer run. You are out whatever wholesale on that case was but now you have to look an the issues with workers comp.

That being said the shoplifting in California and crime in general have been vaslty over reported by right wing media. The rates are relatively flat when compared over decades long trends and much lower than rates from the 70-90s. There was a uptick during the pandemic but those rates have dropped. The highest crime rates in the state appear to be in the San Joaquin Valley and Fresno but even still rates there are lower than in Dallas and Houston.
I've read about the SJV and Fresno and I read that Bakersfield is bad to.
 
IF you are a major corporation then the issues work workers comp and legal liability make it not worth it. Target has some of the best loss prevention program in corporate America and they still let people walk.

If you are small business owner its different and petty theft can impact profitability. But lets say an employee gets hurt trying to stop a beer run. You are out whatever wholesale on that case was but now you have to look an the issues with workers comp.

That being said the shoplifting in California and crime in general have been vaslty over reported by right wing media. The rates are relatively flat when compared over decades long trends and much lower than rates from the 70-90s. There was a uptick during the pandemic but those rates have dropped. The highest crime rates in the state appear to be in the San Joaquin Valley and Fresno but even still rates there are lower than in Dallas and Houston.

If said crime is ignored by the store and by LE, does it still go to the stats page?

I’ll let my friends know that they should sit down and shut up. California is just fine.
 
If said crime is ignored by the store and by LE, does it still go to the stats page?

I’ll let my friends know that they should sit down and shut up. California is just fine.
Here's an article about the dozen or so Walgreen's that closed in San Fran the last 2 years.


It's a locally written article by a local paper.
I have a family member that helps run one of the largest health care providers in California- she lives in the bay area- Berkley educated- and she'll begrudgingly tell you that petty crime, drugs, over doses, and just a "dingey" element is much more prevalent than when she attended school there.
She loves SF but admits that the "good intentions" of law makers has been warped and taken advantage of by petty criminals. And because local and county officials were steadfast in their beliefs, to avoid admitting they goofed, they've now doubled down on their convictions- and it's just getting worse.
Walgreen's initially stated they closed the store due to petty theft. Then they walked that statement back (pressured by local politicians no doubt) because they didn't want to spook other companies from entering the market place.
CVS closed 2 stores in the Bay area during the same time period.

Yes- some petty theft goes unreported. How much? It's difficult to say because.... it's unreported. But we KNOW that there are insurance carriers that are now pulling out of Northern Cali due to "market dynamics shifting". Now, wtf does THAT mean? *shrug*
Maybe read between the lines.
 
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Here's an article about the dozen or so Walgreen's that closed in San Fran the last 2 years.


It's a locally written article by a local paper.
I have a family member that helps run one of the largest health care providers in California- she lives in the bay area- Berkley educated- and she'll begrudgingly tell you that petty crime, drugs, over doses, and just a "dingey" element is much more prevalent than when she attended school there.
She loves SF but admits that the "good intentions" of law makers has been warped and taken advantage of by petty criminals. And because local and county officials were steadfast in their beliefs, to avoid admitting they goofed, they've now doubled down on their convictions- and it's just getting worse.
Walgreen's initially stated they closed the store due to petty theft. Then they walked that statement back (pressured by local politicians no doubt) because they didn't want to spook other companies from entering the market place.
CVS closed 2 stores in the Bay area during the same time period.

Yes- some petty theft goes unreported. How much? It's difficult to say because.... it's unreported. But we KNOW that there are insurance carriers that are now pulling out of Northern Cali due to "market dynamics shifting". Now, wtf does THAT mean? *shrug*
Maybe read between the lines.
Article is from 2022.
Here is a more recent one from 2023
https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2023/01/09/walgreens-backpedals-on-theft
 
maybe not, but this is where I got the info.....

Yeah consider the source. Citing low demand and street conditions. The reason you cancel a big hotel is because downtown San Francisco has been decimated due to work at home policies of big tech companies. Its kinda hard to justify a big fancy hotel project when all the rich tech workers are gone. But lets go with overstated street crimes.
 
If said crime is ignored by the store and by LE, does it still go to the stats page?

I’ll let my friends know that they should sit down and shut up. California is just fine.
No it doesn't but if it happens at a corporate store policy is to file a police report. Small business probably do it if they are going to file a claim. If it is a dude taking a six pack probably not.

As far as California goes they have lower rates of violent crime and property crime than Texas does. Its not fine but they are doing better than we are.
 
No it doesn't but if it happens at a corporate store policy is to file a police report. Small business probably do it if they are going to file a claim. If it is a dude taking a six pack probably not.

As far as California goes they have lower rates of violent crime and property crime than Texas does. Its not fine but they are doing better than we are.

Ok. Fair enough. All is good in California. Nobody is leaving. My friends are full of shit.

Sorry Speed. I didn’t realize you lived and owned businesses/properties in California. My bad.
 
Ok. Fair enough. All is good in California. Nobody is leaving. My friends are full of shit.

Sorry Speed. I didn’t realize you lived and owned businesses/properties in California. My bad.
Who said all is good. Just reporting the facts. California has lower violent crime and property crime rates than Texas does. Theft is and will always be a problem and when you look at the data you will see that property crime rises during periods of economic hardships. Maybe the question you should be asking is why rates of crime fell faster in California or why aren't they falling as fast in Texas?
 
Who said all is good. Just reporting the facts. California has lower violent crime and property crime rates than Texas does. Theft is and will always be a problem and when you look at the data you will see that property crime rises during periods of economic hardships. Maybe the question you should be asking is why rates of crime fell faster in California or why aren't they falling as fast in Texas?
Show the stats.
 
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Who said all is good. Just reporting the facts. California has lower violent crime and property crime rates than Texas does. Theft is and will always be a problem and when you look at the data you will see that property crime rises during periods of economic hardships. Maybe the question you should be asking is why rates of crime fell faster in California or why aren't they falling as fast in Texas?


Pretty sure I implied that question Speed.

Also, I didn’t bring up violent crime anywhere. You did. And I gave more issues than just “petty” theft. If that’s what you call a full shopping cart of goods to be stolen
 
so I guess Walgreens, Starbucks, and several other chains are abandoning San Francisco because High dollar Tech workers are staying at home?....Those same High dollar Tech workers that are the core customer base of Walgreens?
 
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I will point out that while 3% may seem like small potatoes, that is also a good deal of their annual profit margin. It is especially difficult if insurance companies are no longer going to cover the cost of theft.

According to an article on Investopedia's website, the average profit margin for retail is typically from 0.5 to 3.5%.
 
I will point out that while 3% may seem like small potatoes, that is also a good deal of their annual profit margin. It is especially difficult if insurance companies are no longer going to cover the cost of theft.

According to an article on Investopedia's website, the average profit margin for retail is typically from 0.5 to 3.5%.
Commercial Insurance won’t cover theft if you institute policies to allow it to happen. Carriers expect shops to have some form of mitigation or loss prevention in place. If the state or local municipalities aren’t enforcing laws and insurance won’t provide coverage, shop owners may have no choice but to close for good. With profit margins already very thin, what’s the point of trying to operate?
 
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