*****TEXAS vs WV** New & Improved GAME THREAD*******

[Iitbhorn3]

On the final 2-point conversion, seems like 49 missed his containment responsibilities by trying to follow the quarterback's initial move inside. 23 was shadowing the QB and would have covered that hole. 49 also tried to do that and hence failed to contain.

would appreciate feedback from experts...

 

[weevilcatch]

True,but freshman do make mistakes and why some coaches do not want to play them.

Oh I know. I’m just saying to lay all the blame on the DC is ignorant and short sighted. Players have to make plays

 

[weevilcatch]

On the final 2-point conversion, seems like 49 missed his containment responsibilities by trying to follow the quarterback's initial move inside. 23 was shadowing the QB and would have covered that hole. 49 also tried to do that and hence failed to contain.

would appreciate feedback from experts...

I think you’re exactly right. He swapped gaps and lost leverage. Big no-no.

As much as people diss Hager (myself included), he is sound. Graham is much more athletic but very sloppy

 

[Hornsfan722]

For some reason I have a feeling that was a pre determined quarterback run.. They knew we were gonna double Sills so they sent him on the slant and cleared that whole side of the field. And we all know how it played out. Our defense seems to be getting worse as the season goes on while the offense is playing lights out in my opinion. Maybe it’s a good thing at the end of the year we are gonna lose possibly 8 guys on defense. Get some new faces in here, because at this point it can’t get any worse than it has been the last 2 weeks. Our inability to get pressure on the QB is ridiculous, I don’t care who is back there throwing the ball but if you can’t get any pressure on him then it’s gonna kill us. Just go back and look the film from yesterday, Grier had all day to throw the ball. And they were averaging 8 yards a carry running the ball.

 

[DHHorn]

I still can’t figure out how they overturned Sams first down. To me the video didn’t confirm anything.

 

[LonghornMM]

As much as you do. What games do u think we win?

I think Texas wins out. Tech, Iowa St. and Kansas are all very winnable games. For you to say that "Texas has fallen to the lowest level in a long time", is ridiculous. Things are far, far better now under Herman than they were under Strong. No comparison.

 

[madcow12]

I think Texas wins out. Tech, Iowa St. and Kansas are all very winnable games. For you to say that "Texas has fallen to the lowest level in a long time", is ridiculous. Things are far, far better now under Herman than they were under Strong. No comparison.

Realy??? We are 6-3 with 3 games left and I think we lose 2 of the 3. Maryland loss that had no coach, gave up 21 in 4th quarter at ou, embarrasses the program at OSU at the end, horrible defense the last few weeks and then cries about Grier extending the ball during the 2pt conversion saying it should not have counted. We must be one of the fastest teams to fall from 6 in the nation to where we end up today. No...we are not much better off...

 

[LonghornMM]

Realy??? We are 6-3 with 3 games left and I think we lose 2 of the 3. Maryland loss that had no coach, gave up 21 in 4th quarter at ou, embarrasses the program at OSU at the end, horrible defense the last few weeks and then cries about Grier extending the ball during the 2pt conversion saying it should not have counted. We must be one of the fastest teams to fall from 6 in the nation to where we end up today. No...we are not much better off...

Yes, really! Texas has lost three games by a combined total of nine points and has beaten OU. They could very easily be undefeated. That said, what seems to be making you and others so disappointed is that Texas was being mentioned as a CFP team. They're not even close to being good enough for that and that has disappointed the people who believed that hype and had these unrealistic expectations.

Herman is making huge strides in getting Texas back on track. They're going to be fine. This turn around isn't going to be a quick fix. Texas has very little depth and doesn't have the type of QB that fits Herman's system. I believe that Roschon Johnson is that QB, and he'll be here next year. Also, the OL, DL, RB groups are very average and have no depth. Tech, ISU and Kansas are very beatable. I think that the Horns will be focused and will win their last three games. The sky is NOT falling and the glass is half full on the 40 Acres, IMO.

Hook'em!

 

[LongfellowDrew]

what seems to be making you and others so disappointed is that Texas was being mentioned as a CFP team. They're not even close to being good enough for that and that has disappointed the people who believed that hype and had these unrealistic expectations.

This so much! Too many fans are unrealistic let the season play out and stop with the overreacting post about UT being worse than ever. Drama queens!

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Took Saban 3 years. Dabo 3-1/2 years. Harbaugh still hasn’t won the conference year 4.

I think we forget TH took over after the worst 3 year stretch in program history

Saban had an undefeated regular season in year two, and Bama led the best team Urban Meyer has ever fielded with less than 10 minutes to play in the 2008 SEC championship game. Granted, it's Saban, arguable best coach ever (and perhaps his inherited roster was better, though I can't say for certain).

Not disputing your overall point, though.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Saban had an undefeated regular season in year two, and Bama led the best team Urban Meyer has ever fielded with less than 10 minutes to play in the 2008 SEC championship game. Granted, it's Saban, arguable best coach ever (and perhaps his inherited roster was better, though I can't say for certain).

Not disputing your overall point, though.

TH has 4 years as a Head Coach he’s young.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

TH has 4 years as a Head Coach he’s young.

I know -- that's part of why I said I wasn't contesting the overall point.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Saban had an undefeated regular season in year two, and Bama led the best team Urban Meyer has ever fielded with less than 10 minutes to play in the 2008 SEC championship game. Granted, it's Saban, arguable best coach ever (and perhaps his inherited roster was better, though I can't say for certain).

Not disputing your overall point, though.

That’s amazing & rare. Good on Saban for accomplishing that in year 2. I expect to be competing for conference championships in years 3 & 4; and, competing in the CFB playoffs in years 5 & 6.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

At UT, Mack Brown went 9-5 in year 2 (1999), 9-3 in year 3 (2000), and 10-1 in year 4 (2001).

 

[weevilcatch]

Saban had an undefeated regular season in year two, and Bama led the best team Urban Meyer has ever fielded with less than 10 minutes to play in the 2008 SEC championship game. Granted, it's Saban, arguable best coach ever (and perhaps his inherited roster was better, though I can't say for certain).

Not disputing your overall point, though.

I was talking about winning the conference for all those guys. I just chose those three because they're all regarded as being in the top 5 of current CFB coaches.

Granted those three all had 10+ win seasons early on just remember Herman took over Texas at the lowest point the program has ever been.

Heck, it took Mack 8 years.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

At UT, Mack Brown went 9-5 in year 2 (1999), 9-3 in year 3 (2000), and 10-1 in year 4 (2001).

Does your memory of the 2001 season stop before the godforsaken rematch with Colorado? Can you teach me how you did that?

 

[BringBackRoyal]

I was talking about winning the conference for all those guys. I just chose those three because they're all regarded as being in the top 5 of current CFB coaches.

Ah, gotcha. Should have read more carefully.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Does your memory of the 2001 season stop before the godforsaken rematch with Colorado? Can you teach me how you did that?

That was terrible. We had already beat them once & lost in the Big 12 title game to Colorado. If we win the Big 12 title game, Texas almost certainly earns a berth to the BCS title game.

 

[Iitbhorn3]

At UT, Mack Brown went 9-5 in year 2 (1999), 9-3 in year 3 (2000), and 10-1 in year 4 (2001).

The Big XII was a much less competitive league back then.
The league had a lot more cupcakes back then.

 

[q1w2e3]

Yes, really! Texas has lost three games by a combined total of nine points and has beaten OU. They could very easily be undefeated. That said, what seems to be making you and others so disappointed is that Texas was being mentioned as a CFP team. They're not even close to being good enough for that and that has disappointed the people who believed that hype and had these unrealistic expectations.

Herman is making huge strides in getting Texas back on track. They're going to be fine. This turn around isn't going to be a quick fix. Texas has very little depth and doesn't have the type of QB that fits Herman's system. I believe that Roschon Johnson is that QB, and he'll be here next year. Also, the OL, DL, RB groups are very average and have no depth. Tech, ISU and Kansas are very beatable. I think that the Horns will be focused and will win their last three games. The sky is NOT falling and the glass is half full on the 40 Acres, IMO.

Hook'em!

I only mean it in a positive way but when you say that Texas isn’t even close to being a college football playoff team I think you are wrong. In the objective sense they are very very close in that they could and maybe should be undefeated and if you look at the team thats sitting at number four in the college football playoff spot Notre Dame I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that Texas isn’t too far from or better than Notre Dame is right now.
But yeah in a subjective sense I know we need more talent and depth and time but like it or not we are a hair away from being in the playoffs right now as it is.

 

[LonghornMM]

I only mean it in a positive way but when you say that Texas isn’t even close to being a college football playoff team I think you are wrong. In the objective sense they are very very close in that they could and maybe should be undefeated and if you look at the team thats sitting at number four in the college football playoff spot Notre Dame I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that Texas isn’t too far from or better than Notre Dame is right now.
But yeah in a subjective sense I know we need more talent and depth and time but like it or not we are a hair away from being in the playoffs right now as it is.

Ok, I'll clarify what I meant. Right now, this year, I didn't think that Texas was a CFP team. However, in the short term (next 2-3 years), yes, I think that they should be solidly in the mix for the CFP.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

The Big XII was a much less competitive league back then.
The league had a lot more cupcakes back then.

You think so? Texas, Oklahoma, & Nebraska were top 10-15; and, Colorado and Kansas State were top 10-20 teams most of the time (back then). We occasionally had Texas A&M & Iowa State finish in the top 25. 4-5/12 teams finished ranked most years, if I remember correctly?

 

[ASURAM2010]

To me the biggest glaring weakness is our NT. Shows how good Poona was last year. I can't tell you the number of times our LB's have been eaten up by Guards getting to the second level because the center can handle the NT by himself. Db's are going to be fine, yes they are going to get beat, and that has to do with being put on an island a lot of the time, but they are going to make plays as well. If we can get some of the freshman now to be maneaters on the DL, then we will be fine.

Also, I would have put money on it that Sam would never be able to out duel Grier or any other top tier QB and he has done that since week 2. Sam is playing at an extremely high level right now.

 

[clob94]

The Big XII was a much less competitive league back then.
The league had a lot more cupcakes back then.

Wait..... wut? OU won the natty in 2000, nebraska played for a natty in 01..... sure Kansas and Iowa st and bylol sucked but..... cupcakes?

 

[weevilcatch]

Wait..... wut? OU won the natty in 2000, nebraska played for a natty in 01..... sure Kansas and Iowa st and bylol sucked but..... cupcakes?

Iowa State was pretty good in 00 and 01.

I think Kansas and Baylor were the only sorry teams

 

[Iitbhorn3]

Wait..... wut? OU won the natty in 2000, nebraska played for a natty in 01..... sure Kansas and Iowa st and bylol sucked but..... cupcakes?

Cupcakes back then in the 1999-2000 time frame were Baylor, Kansas, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, TTU, Colorado, Missouri.
It was much easier to win 9 games at that time.

 

[weevilcatch]

Cupcakes back then in the 1999-2000 time frame were Baylor, Kansas, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, TTU, Colorado, Missouri.
It was much easier to win 9 games at that time.

I see what you mean. There were only 8 conference games and at least 3 of those teams were dog shit in either year.

With that said, Tech was 6-5 and 7-5 in that time...not a cupcake. Iowa State won 9 games in 2000...not a cupcake.

Baylor, Kansas, Mizzou were really bad.