This is the PERFECT form of GUN CONTROL

[clob94]

Update: Eli Dicken stopped the mall shooter in 15 seconds flat, landing 8 out of 10 shots from his 9mm at 40 freaking yards!

Legend.

notthebee.com

My dude engaged the mall shooter from between 40 and 50 yards and scored 8 out of 10 hits. Stopped the shooter within 15 seconds of him beginning a possible rampage.

To all of you limp written twunts who always want examples of "good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns"-- shove this article directly up your bleached starfish.

The mall was a gun free zone and the HERO carried anyway.
Moral of the story-- always stay strapped.

 

[DHHorn]

That's some pretty good shootin.

What is everyone's preferred concealed carry pistol? I carry a Ruger LCP because it is small enough to wear with anything and is comfortable, but I doubt I would be very effective at 40 yards to stop a shooter.

 

[Lampasas]

That's some pretty good shootin.

What is everyone's preferred concealed carry pistol? I carry a Ruger LCP because it is small enough to wear with anything and is comfortable, but I doubt I would be very effective at 40 yards to stop a shooter.

great that you carry, but might be time to hit the range more... much more. Also might be a good idea when at the range to practice at greater distances than the typical 7 yds.

 

[echeese]

That's some pretty good shootin.

What is everyone's preferred concealed carry pistol? I carry a Ruger LCP because it is small enough to wear with anything and is comfortable, but I doubt I would be very effective at 40 yards to stop a shooter.

Sig P938

Basically a chopped down 1911

Shown here with rubber grips and red dot laser

But lots of people I know love the P365 with 10 rounds in the magazine.

 

[clob94]

That's some pretty good shootin.

What is everyone's preferred concealed carry pistol? I carry a Ruger LCP because it is small enough to wear with anything and is comfortable, but I doubt I would be very effective at 40 yards to stop a shooter.

If I'm wearing a coat-- G19

If regular everyday-- G26

If I don't want to EVER be spotted-- SIG P365 Nitron around ankle.

 

[DHHorn]

great that you carry, but might be time to hit the range more... much more. Also might be a good idea when at the range to practice at greater distances than the typical 7 yds.

Could always use more range time but I'm more concerned about the limits of the small 380 LCP, it has like a 2.5 inch barrel which makes it hard to "reach out and touch" someone. Maybe I'll be better off with some of the suggestions here.

 

[clob94]

Could always use more range time but I'm more concerned about the limits of the small 380 LCP, it has like a 2.5 inch barrel which makes it hard to "reach out and touch" someone. Maybe I'll be better off with some of the suggestions here.

I don't care who says what-- but that 380, with the proper rounds, will fvck you up. I got my girl the S&W MP 380 EZ and took her out to shoot some ballistic gel-- we used the SIG V crown ammo-- and I promise you, that round will ventilate you properly.

 

[freeper]

I carried a Glock 19 my last tour in detectives so I'm comfortable with that weapon if I'm wearing a coat. I also like my S&W 3914 with 8+1. Great shooting piece and easy to conceal. If no jacket, I carry my S&W Mod. 642 Airweight in .38 spl......

 

[Metcalf #2]

M134. Minimal firepower, but easily concealed under a tank top.

 

[clob94]

M134. Minimal firepower, but easily concealed under a tank top.

Your pants go BRRRRRRRRRRRR ?

 

[TX1972]

I don't care who says what-- but that 380, with the proper rounds, will fvck you up. I got my girl the S&W MP 380 EZ and took her out to shoot some ballistic gel-- we used the SIG V crown ammo-- and I promise you, that round will ventilate you properly.

I got my wife the same. Durys has the little laser cartridge. She's been busy shooting everything in the house. Also racking the slide etc has loosened it up a bit.

 

[TX1972]

I carry the S&W MP Compact. Gunsmith says he's never seen one break. Thin, but long grip feels good in my XXL hands.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

What is everyone's preferred concealed carry pistol? I carry a Ruger LCP because it is small enough to wear with anything and is comfortable, but I doubt I would be very effective at 40 yards to stop a shooter.

An LCP is fine as a backup gun or as a primary CCW when attire so dictates (though I really hate the sights and trigger on the first-generation model), but I definitely prefer something more substantial than a .380 "mouse gun" whenever possible.

I'm still waiting for my ideal CCW to be produced. My sentimental favorite CCW is my Walther PPS M1 in 9mm, because (for me) it shoots like a full-size pistol at 15 and 25 yards, is very soft-shooting even with +P rounds, has a terrific trigger (for a striker-fired plastic gun), and fits my hands well with the largest back strap installed. I also love the paddle-style mag release on a CCW, which eliminates any accidental mag drops from banging into stuff while carrying, and which allows dropping spent mags without breaking one's grip. It's hard to overlook its capacity disadvantage these days, though. The baseplates on the mags are also more prone to snag on clothing than most and make carrying backup mags a bit of a PITA.

The P365 is everyone's favorite now, but the grip is way too small for my hands, especially front to back. I'm also not a big fan of striker-fired guns that lack a trigger safety, and trigger pull weight is close to being too light for my tastes for this type of pistol (especially with no trigger dingus), at least on some. I've shot several of them over the last few years, and I've found trigger weights to be pretty inconsistent from gun to gun, with some right at 5 lbs. and some as high as 7 lbs.

I tried the Glock 43X with with S15 steel mags (15 rounds, obviously) and steel mag catch by Shield Arms, but I just could not achieve satisfactory reliability with them. Most people report no trouble with the S15 mags, but some folks have issues with them, and I'm unfortunately in the latter group. I like the G43X, but if I'm going to carry a gun with a G19-length grip, then I'd usually rather just carry a G19.

My current placeholder CCW is the Springfield Hellcat, which is the P365's best direct competition, holding one more round (11+1 with standard mags, 13+1 with extended) in a roughly equivalently sized package. The grip works far better for my large hands, as it isn't so short from front to back, and its trigger characteristics are much more to my liking. I have a bit of a prejudice against these Croatian (HS Produkt) imports, but it's not really rational, because other HS Produkt guns (all of the various XD series pistols) have an excellent track record.

What I'd really like is for Walther to wake up and release a PPS M3 with the same 1.5-stack configuration as the Hellcat and P365. (Bringing back the paddle release, at least as an option, would be nice, but that's probably asking too much.) There are also never-ending rumors that HK is going to finally release something in this category, which I'd love to see, but they're generally as slow as anyone to respond to civilian market demands.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

An LCP is fine as a backup gun or as a primary CCW when attire so dictates (though I really hate the sights and trigger on the first-generation model), but I definitely prefer something more substantial than a .380 "mouse gun" whenever possible.

I'm still waiting for my ideal CCW to be produced. My sentimental favorite CCW is my Walther PPS M1 in 9mm, because (for me) it shoots like a full-size pistol at 15 and 25 yards, is very soft-shooting even with +P rounds, has a terrific trigger (for a striker-fired plastic gun), and fits my hands just right. I also love the paddle-style mag release on a CCW, which eliminates any accidental mag drops from banging into stuff while carrying, and which allows dropping spent mags without breaking one's grip. It's hard to overlook its capacity disadvantage these days, though. The baseplates on the mags are also more prone to snag on clothing than most and make carrying backup mags a bit of a PITA.

The P365 is everyone's favorite now, but the grip is way too small for my hands, especially front to back. I'm also not a big fan of striker-fired guns that lack a trigger safety, and trigger pull weight is close to being too light for my tastes for this type of pistol (especially with no trigger dingus), at least on some. I've shot several of them over the last few years, and I've found trigger weights to be pretty inconsistent from gun to gun, with some right at 5 lbs. and others as high as 7 lbs.

I tried the Glock 43X with with S15 steel mags (15 rounds, obviously) and steel mag catch by Shield Arms, but I just could not achieve satisfactory reliability with them. Most people report no trouble with the S15 mags, but some folks have issues with them, and I'm unfortunately in the latter group. I like the G43X, but if I'm going to carry a gun with a G19-length grip, then I'd usually rather just carry a G19.

My current placeholder CCW is the Springfield Hellcat, which is the P365's best direct competition, holding one more round (11+1 with standard mags, 13+1 with extended) in a roughly equivalently sized package. The grip works far better for my large hands, as it isn't so short from front to back, and its trigger characteristics are much more to my liking. I have a bit of a prejudice against these Croatian (HS Produkt) imports, but it's not really rational, because other HS Produkt guns (all of the various XD guns) have an excellent track record.

What I'd really like is for Walther to wake up and release a PPS M3 with the same 1.5-stack configuration as the Hellcat and P365. (Bringing back the paddle release, at least as an option, would be nice, but that's probably asking too much.) There are also never-ending rumors that HK is going to finally release something in this category, but they're generally as slow as anyone to respond to civilian market demands.

Sounds real nice, you ready if situation calls on you? Are you more prepared than the Uvalde police? Trick question, grandma coulda handled things better than the Uvalde police did.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

I don't care who says what-- but that 380, with the proper rounds, will fvck you up. I got my girl the S&W MP 380 EZ and took her out to shoot some ballistic gel-- we used the SIG V crown ammo-- and I promise you, that round will ventilate you properly.

I'll take a 380 all day long. I never git in shit much further than 2 or three yards. I prefer fisticuffs up close. The Irish in me.

 

[Belldozer1]

An LCP is fine as a backup gun or as a primary CCW when attire so dictates (though I really hate the sights and trigger on the first-generation model), but I definitely prefer something more substantial than a .380 "mouse gun" whenever possible.

I'm still waiting for my ideal CCW to be produced. My sentimental favorite CCW is my Walther PPS M1 in 9mm, because (for me) it shoots like a full-size pistol at 15 and 25 yards, is very soft-shooting even with +P rounds, has a terrific trigger (for a striker-fired plastic gun), and fits my hands well with the largest back strap installed. I also love the paddle-style mag release on a CCW, which eliminates any accidental mag drops from banging into stuff while carrying, and which allows dropping spent mags without breaking one's grip. It's hard to overlook its capacity disadvantage these days, though. The baseplates on the mags are also more prone to snag on clothing than most and make carrying backup mags a bit of a PITA.

The P365 is everyone's favorite now, but the grip is way too small for my hands, especially front to back. I'm also not a big fan of striker-fired guns that lack a trigger safety, and trigger pull weight is close to being too light for my tastes for this type of pistol (especially with no trigger dingus), at least on some. I've shot several of them over the last few years, and I've found trigger weights to be pretty inconsistent from gun to gun, with some right at 5 lbs. and some as high as 7 lbs.

I tried the Glock 43X with with S15 steel mags (15 rounds, obviously) and steel mag catch by Shield Arms, but I just could not achieve satisfactory reliability with them. Most people report no trouble with the S15 mags, but some folks have issues with them, and I'm unfortunately in the latter group. I like the G43X, but if I'm going to carry a gun with a G19-length grip, then I'd usually rather just carry a G19.

My current placeholder CCW is the Springfield Hellcat, which is the P365's best direct competition, holding one more round (11+1 with standard mags, 13+1 with extended) in a roughly equivalently sized package. The grip works far better for my large hands, as it isn't so short from front to back, and its trigger characteristics are much more to my liking. I have a bit of a prejudice against these Croatian (HS Produkt) imports, but it's not really rational, because other HS Produkt guns (all of the various XD series pistols) have an excellent track record.

What I'd really like is for Walther to wake up and release a PPS M3 with the same 1.5-stack configuration as the Hellcat and P365. (Bringing back the paddle release, at least as an option, would be nice, but that's probably asking too much.) There are also never-ending rumors that HK is going to finally release something in this category, which I'd love to see, but they're generally as slow as anyone to respond to civilian market demands.

Nice post. I’m a big fan of Walther and Springfield. I’ve got a Walther PPQ M2 that I really like and a Springfield xds that shoots well too. I may look into that Walther CCW That you mentioned as well as the HK, I’ve been craving one of those for a while

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Nice post. I’m a big fan of Walther and Springfield. I’ve got a Walther PPQ M2 that I really like and a Springfield xds that shoots well too. I may look into that Walther CCW That you mentioned as well as the HK, I’ve been craving one of those for a while

Thanks. If you have a PPQ M2, then a PPS M2 (the M1 was discontinued some time ago) will feel very familiar.

Just to be clear, the HK in this category only exists on paper at this point. HK has been granted a patent on a design, but there's no stated timeline for its release: https://uspto.report/patent/grant/D918,328#D00000. Also no way to be certain at this point whether the pistol is going to be a "1.5-stack" design like the P365 and Hellcat. Knowing HK, we could all be in the grave before it's released anyway. But the upside is that, unlike post-2004 SIG Sauer USA, HK does not habitually release guns that aren't ready for primetime and then rely on post-release beta testing by overeager consumers to identify all of the problems. Once HK finally releases this pistol, it should be trustworthy from the start.

 

[outhereincali]

Ok I'm gonna say it. I think all AR 15's should be banned no exceptions.

I grew up in Texas used to go bird hunting dove, quail, duck hunting, you name it, If you use an AR 15 to shoot them there wouldn't be anything left to eat.

Did you know that some of those kids had to be identified by shoes. And I think a lot of people on here think that's not important.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Ok I'm gonna say it. I think all AR 15's should be banned no exceptions.

I grew up in Texas used to go bird hunting dove, quail, duck hunting, you name it, If you use an AR 15 to shoot them there wouldn't be anything left to eat.

Did you know that some of those kids had to be identified by shoes. And I think a lot of people on here think that's not important.

Welp, you couldn't handle it.

 

[clob94]

Ok I'm gonna say it. I think all AR 15's should be banned no exceptions.

I grew up in Texas used to go bird hunting dove, quail, duck hunting, you name it, If you use an AR 15 to shoot them there wouldn't be anything left to eat.

Did you know that some of those kids had to be identified by shoes. And I think a lot of people on here think that's not important.

I've posted this on here before-- but I'm going to do it again, for you.

You really want to see carnage in a school environment, an AR (unless you are WELL trained) is not your gun of choice.

A Benelli M4. 12 round extention tube, 1 in the pipe, buckshot loads, open choke.
Humans, when scared, huddle like quail. A 5.56 round from an AR hits 1 person, 2 max if you have a "through and through" wound. But 1 blast from a buckshot round can hit 6 people huddled together. Plus, AR is accurate requiring a steady hand. A shotgun like the M4 does not require the accuracy. Point, shoot, splat-- even if you're not perfectly aimed.

The AR simply looks scary to you. The dude shooting these kids was standing over them putting multiple rounds into their head. You went there, so I'll tell you. He could have been standing over them with a .38 special and the result would gave been the same.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I've posted this on here before-- but I'm going to do it again, for you.

You really want to see carnage in a school environment, an AR (unless you are WELL trained) is not your gun of choice.

A Benelli M4. 12 round extention tube, 1 in the pipe, buckshot loads, open choke.
Humans, when scared, huddle like quail. A 5.56 round from an AR hits 1 person, 2 max if you have a "through and through" wound. But 1 blast from a buckshot round can hit 6 people huddled together. Plus, AR is accurate requiring a steady hand. A shotgun like the M4 does not require the accuracy. Point, shoot, splat-- even if you're not perfectly aimed.

The AR simply looks scary to you. The dude shooting these kids was standing over them putting multiple rounds into their head. You went there, so I'll tell you. He could have been standing over them with a .38 special and the result would gave been the same.

He could have had a Swiss Army knife. If people are afraid to fight, they will lose.

 

[outhereincali]

I've posted this on here before-- but I'm going to do it again, for you.

You really want to see carnage in a school environment, an AR (unless you are WELL trained) is not your gun of choice.

A Benelli M4. 12 round extention tube, 1 in the pipe, buckshot loads, open choke.
Humans, when scared, huddle like quail. A 5.56 round from an AR hits 1 person, 2 max if you have a "through and through" wound. But 1 blast from a buckshot round can hit 6 people huddled together. Plus, AR is accurate requiring a steady hand. A shotgun like the M4 does not require the accuracy. Point, shoot, splat-- even if you're not perfectly aimed.

The AR simply looks scary to you. The dude shooting these kids was standing over them putting multiple rounds into their head. You went there, so I'll tell you. He could have been standing over them with a .38 special and the result would gave been the same.

It still worked out well for that guy in Uvalde and Kyle Rittenhouse. Any assault weapon should not be sold to the public.

 

[hookem777]

I've posted this on here before-- but I'm going to do it again, for you.

You really want to see carnage in a school environment, an AR (unless you are WELL trained) is not your gun of choice.

A Benelli M4. 12 round extention tube, 1 in the pipe, buckshot loads, open choke.
Humans, when scared, huddle like quail. A 5.56 round from an AR hits 1 person, 2 max if you have a "through and through" wound. But 1 blast from a buckshot round can hit 6 people huddled together. Plus, AR is accurate requiring a steady hand. A shotgun like the M4 does not require the accuracy. Point, shoot, splat-- even if you're not perfectly aimed.

The AR simply looks scary to you. The dude shooting these kids was standing over them putting multiple rounds into their head. You went there, so I'll tell you. He could have been standing over them with a .38 special and the result would gave been the same.

THIS . i always bring this up with people i hear talk about banning "ar15s". A shot gun would do much more damage. People hear "AR15" and think OMG it shoots like 10000 rounds per second. This year has made me hate people sooooooooooo fking much.

 

[hookem777]

It still worked out well for that guy in Uvalde and Kyle Rittenhouse. Any assault weapon should not be sold to the public.

what do you consider a "assault weapon"? Do you want to talk how many weapons in this country cause more deaths yearly than "assault weapons"? Not just including guns?

 

[LonghornMM]

AR's have been around since what, the 60's? Why did they not go off for decades before here recently? People have owned them forever. We don't have a gun problem in this country. We have a mental health issue. If head cases decide to use shot guns, pistols, cars, machetes, knives, bomb making materials, acid, etc., should we ban all of those devices too?

 

[Metcalf #2]

It still worked out well for that guy in Uvalde and Kyle Rittenhouse. Any assault weapon should not be sold to the public.

Why don’t you just tattoo “I’m clueless” on your forehead? The public should be warned when in proximity of such unmitigated stupidity.

 

[Metcalf #2]

AR's have been around since what, the 60's? Why did they not go off for decades before here recently? People have owned them forever. We don't have a gun problem in this country. We have a mental health issue. If head cases decide to use shot guns, pistols, cars, machetes, knives, bomb making materials, acid, etc., should we ban all of those devices too?

More specifically, we have a discipline problem. All this is happening because we traded ass whoopins for time out and doping kids.

 

[LonghornMM]

More specifically, we have a discipline problem. All this is happening because we traded ass whoopins for time out and doping kids.

Agree. There is basically no accountability from people today. It's always "someone else's fault". It's a racial thing, a PC thing, a lack of respect for authority and laws, no self awareness/discipline, etc. It all starts in the home with both parents disciplining their kids and holding them accountable.

 

[lbaumer]

Update: Eli Dicken stopped the mall shooter in 15 seconds flat, landing 8 out of 10 shots from his 9mm at 40 freaking yards!

Legend.

notthebee.com

My dude engaged the mall shooter from between 40 and 50 yards and scored 8 out of 10 hits. Stopped the shooter within 15 seconds of him beginning a possible rampage.

To all of you limp written twunts who always want examples of "good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns"-- shove this article directly up your bleached starfish.

The mall was a gun free zone and the HERO carried anyway.
Moral of the story-- always stay strapped.

The shooter must have a lot of range time to be this good. Good advertising for ranges. As to the moral??? ALWAYS

 

[Hoookem722]

It still worked out well for that guy in Uvalde and Kyle Rittenhouse. Any assault weapon should not be sold to the public.

Man you’re just proof that the left will regurgitate any bullshit they hear on TV. An AR 15 is not an “assault weapon”. An assault weapon is classified as fully automatic. An AR15 is. Semi automatic.

Like Clob said he could have done the same amount of damage with a pistol or buckshot because he was in such close proximity. The cops could have prevented the whole thing if they weren’t all a bunch of cowards.

 

[clob94]

More than 800 firearms collected during Houston's first gun buyback program

During the city's first gun buyback program Saturday, more than 800 firearms were collected and nearly $100,000 in gift cards were distributed.

www.fox26houston.com

Any of you knuckleheads know what model pistol these are the the photo? Look like custom ported sides with threaded barrel.

 

[Drtxhorn]

AR's have been around since what, the 60's? Why did they not go off for decades before here recently? People have owned them forever. We don't have a gun problem in this country. We have a mental health issue. If head cases decide to use shot guns, pistols, cars, machetes, knives, bomb making materials, acid, etc., should we ban all of those devices too?

I firmly believe that our changing attitudes toward marijuana also has a lot to do with the screwed up mental health issues of these mass shooters. The whole country is now decriminalizing marijuana while the potency and strength of marijuana today is 10X stronger than 10-15 years ago. This stuff today will make you hallucinate and do things that you literally have no idea what you're doing. The Uvalde shooter was high before his rampage as was the Buffalo shooter and every other mass shooter. These drugs are making out kids literally lose their damn minds. You take away access to marijuana and hard drugs and I'm convinced we have fewer murders and mass shootings. Like we've been saying all along, we don't have a gun problem we have a people problem.

 

[clob94]

I firmly believe that our changing attitudes toward marijuana also has a lot to do with the screwed up mental health issues of these mass shooters. The whole country is now decriminalizing marijuana while the potency and strength of marijuana today is 10X stronger than 10-15 years ago. This stuff today will make you hallucinate and do things that you literally have no idea what you're doing. The Uvalde shooter was high before his rampage as was the Buffalo shooter and every other mass shooter. These drugs are making out kids literally lose their damn minds. You take away access to marijuana and hard drugs and I'm convinced we have fewer murders and mass shootings. Like we've been saying all along, we don't have a gun problem we have a people problem.

You have about as much chance in taking away drugs as the left does taking away guns.

Can't happen.

Won't happen.

You should try taking away prostitution and see how far you get.

Look, this is the world we have. We can make small adjustments only. That's all we can do. If we take care of the little things, the big things take care of themselves.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

More than 800 firearms collected during Houston's first gun buyback program

During the city's first gun buyback program Saturday, more than 800 firearms were collected and nearly $100,000 in gift cards were distributed.

www.fox26houston.com

Any of you knuckleheads know what model pistol these are the the photo? Look like custom ported sides with threaded barrel.

God only knows. There are dozens of manufacturers and custom shops doing the Gucci Glock and Glock clone thing these days. Not a huge fan of the current Swiss cheese slide treatment fad myself.

 

[Hoookem722]

I firmly believe that our changing attitudes toward marijuana also has a lot to do with the screwed up mental health issues of these mass shooters. The whole country is now decriminalizing marijuana while the potency and strength of marijuana today is 10X stronger than 10-15 years ago. This stuff today will make you hallucinate and do things that you literally have no idea what you're doing. The Uvalde shooter was high before his rampage as was the Buffalo shooter and every other mass shooter. These drugs are making out kids literally lose their damn minds. You take away access to marijuana and hard drugs and I'm convinced we have fewer murders and mass shootings. Like we've been saying all along, we don't have a gun problem we have a people problem.

If you think marijuana is the issue then you sir are part of the problem. Marijuana is as harmless of a substance as they come. Just look at all the research they have conducted over the last 30 years that proves that. If you want to blame any substance you should look at alcohol. Alcohol is the worst substance on the planet, yet it’s legal.

The problem is social media and the strong influence it has on peoples minds. It gives everyone a platform.