Good grief! Why can't the gooners go to their own site. Not once have I been to their site and I don't understand why they care about Texas so much!!!
Thoughts on Horny hire??
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What a strange world we live in, that leaving Baylor to go ANYWHERE involves a fall -- even a steep fall!
There's hope for habitual underachievers everywhere.
I'm a so called gooner. Sholtz is one of a kind, thank god for that. Back to the topic now. I see no reason to question this hire. I agree with Bubba on the fact tha it's out of the norm for Texas's image. I think it's sad that everyone is putting all the team and personnel in Briles category. Sholtz will return like always.
Had Bob Stoops made this hire, I'm pretty sure most Longhorns would be questioning it.
That doesn't mean Casey Horny is culpable, indirectly, for what went on in Waco.
Nor that Herman made an unethical move.
What it does mean is that Herman is going to be watched closely, for signs of being a win@all-costs coach. Time will tell.
That doesn't mean Casey Horny is culpable, indirectly, for what went on in Waco.
Nor that Herman made an unethical move.
What it does mean is that Herman is going to be watched closely, for signs of being a win@all-costs coach. Time will tell.
That's a gross oversimplification. Re-read the Pepper-Hamilton report and you'll see that Baylor's "football coaches" failed in many inappropriate ways. There were things that they did do that were inappropriate, and things that they didn't do. They harmed:
- the victims of rape & other violence,
- their chance for the legal system to work properly (and not just by not contacting the police), and
- campus safety at several universities, including Baylor.
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Would you consider Nick Saban a win at all costs coach? What about Urban Meyer?
They are both pretty good, and are widely considered the top 2 coaches in CF.
Not saying Herman is in their stratosphere at this point. Just that the best have something in common.
Not picking a fight, but this is what drives me crazy. You laid out 3 results of their actions. But not the actions themselves. The report spoke with broad brushes. What EXACTLY did they do (or not do) that caused these 3 results? My specific act (or inaction) cited may be a gross oversimplification, but it is a fact. And you will have a hard time convincing me that Horny isn't guilty of the same thing.
I'm just going to say it. I'm not impressed with Herman thus far, I'm sure the ra-ra group will accuse me of being an Aggie, but lets review;
Coaching Hires: I'm settled on the word "uninspired". He said he doesn't believe in "hired guns". He wants to work with people he knows. Great. So did the last coach. I'm not saying his hires won't work out, but I'm not thrilled that he didn't put some feelers out to some top names, or really even pretend a true search was taking place. He hired guys he had previously worked with. The RB coach is probably the best hire, on paper.
Recruiting: I'm settled on the word "lazy". I realize he walked into a bad situation. Few scholarships to give, and little time to attract top talent. With that said, why not try? For all Strong's fault, he fought till the end in recruiting. Herman phoned this in. Flipped a few guys from UH, and one from Iowa. His best recruiting effort might have been to get the tight end from Lake Travis. I trust that he plans to be a beast in recruiting for the 2018 class, because this was unimpressive.
Horny: I'm baffled. Why? We can debate all day long whether or not this guy had much to do with the rape scandal, but why have the debate at all? What is the upside if this all works out? If something comes out that he was directly involved in the BU rapes, or worse, if something happens here and he is in any way connected, Texas gets the BU stench all over us. I don't want to be associated with that staff in any way. Herman shouldn't be using the prestige of our program to rehab a friend's reputation, at the cost of making our program look sleazy.
P.S. Win nine games!
Coaching Hires: I'm settled on the word "uninspired". He said he doesn't believe in "hired guns". He wants to work with people he knows. Great. So did the last coach. I'm not saying his hires won't work out, but I'm not thrilled that he didn't put some feelers out to some top names, or really even pretend a true search was taking place. He hired guys he had previously worked with. The RB coach is probably the best hire, on paper.
Recruiting: I'm settled on the word "lazy". I realize he walked into a bad situation. Few scholarships to give, and little time to attract top talent. With that said, why not try? For all Strong's fault, he fought till the end in recruiting. Herman phoned this in. Flipped a few guys from UH, and one from Iowa. His best recruiting effort might have been to get the tight end from Lake Travis. I trust that he plans to be a beast in recruiting for the 2018 class, because this was unimpressive.
Horny: I'm baffled. Why? We can debate all day long whether or not this guy had much to do with the rape scandal, but why have the debate at all? What is the upside if this all works out? If something comes out that he was directly involved in the BU rapes, or worse, if something happens here and he is in any way connected, Texas gets the BU stench all over us. I don't want to be associated with that staff in any way. Herman shouldn't be using the prestige of our program to rehab a friend's reputation, at the cost of making our program look sleazy.
P.S. Win nine games!
Showing support for a rape enabler is not a good look. I ask again, why attach this to our program? What do we gain?
The dead period just ended, he pulled three kids from UofH all worthy, He added position of need with a place kicker, 2 RB's, 2 TE's, and an OL flip from Okie State. TRY? Who did he get from Iowa? Carter sorta feel in his lap from Georgia but the kid is coming so props to Herman. The TE that decommitted/flipped from Nebraska was a damn good pull as well.
He's been on the job for just over a month with much of it being during the dead period....They seem to be doing aight!
WTF did Horny enable? I'm done discussing Horny, it's a non story. If you don't like it contact the U, make your voice heard. Whining about it on the internet will go away so, enough.
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They wouldn't like me and your regents are part of the problem.
He supported his coach. They all did, sucks they all go down for mismanagement at the top.
This was all set into motion based on the gang rape allegations that Art supposedly swept under the rug, the same allegations the Athletic Director Ian Mccaw was privileged to know about and chose not to contact the authority. Everything snowballs from there....
You've kind of swept over a lot here to cheer on these commitments. Looked at individually, none of them is impressive. Carter was a nice addition, I suppose, but as you said, he fell in his lap. The three that flipped from UH, and the Okie St kid, are all ranked pretty low. I really like the TE from Lake Travis that we flipped from SMU, but he had very few offers. Too small I guess. But the running thread here...all of these were easy gets. Thats my problem. It just doesn't seem, to me, that much real effort was made to go after a big get. Someone who might flip some other kids or at least signify that Texas is going to be a player in recruiting. Maybe I'm going to start seeing tons of reports about the whole staff on the road for the next three weeks, a la Strong, but I doubt it.
All positions of need...
They're on the road! There are kids coming in on OV today and next weekend and the following. There are currently 13 or so committed with one grade risk and only 7 spots to fill at the most with a possible flip to OU. They're busting their hump, bro... Aggy, Horn, whatever you are, you appear out of tune on the current recruiting landscape.
enough hijack, back to Horny talk.
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No one is running Scholz off. He got his feelings hurt because of being reprimanded for name calling, personal insults, etc., which he has a long history of, and is not allowed. I probably give him more leeway than I should. Scholz needs to realize though that he's not above the rules. I have asked him numerous times to curtail this kind of behavior, only to see him continue.
I haven't been following as closely as years past because there just hasn't been much to follow. I know that there is an OV weekend set up, but from what I read, many of them are kids that are already committed to Texas.
4 current commits. Really important visit for Graham.
Kobe Boyce
Taquon Graham
Derek Kerstetter
Marquez Bimage
Chevin Calloway
Larrell Murchison
Gary Johnson - would be a huge get
Grant Polley
Jamari Chisholm
Back to your local Horny talk.
Its a bad hire. We gain nothing from attaching this stigma to our program. Again, we can debate just how culpable he is in the Baylor scandal, but the debate itself is a problem. Unless someone can point to me what Texas (not Herman or Horny) gains from this hire, I'm open to it.
Special teams QC, most fans don't even know what that is...It's a non story.
Wow swVAHorn. Is this the thanks I get for going out of my way to change my avatar to a pic of Barney Rubble because my other one offended you? I agree Scholz should stay, I've always enjoyed the back and forth and I've always tried to keep my end on an non-personal level.
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Do I have to parse Pepper-Hamilton for you?! Sadly, I do. And results gets into further actions that he should have taken, or ensured that BU took, to avoid the pattern of abuse by players he recruited and kept on his team and therefore on campus.
This isn't exhaustive, but just to get you started, the P-H Report says that "football coaches & staff":
- Met with complainants / conducted untrained inquiries. It broke with BU policy, and more importantly it improperly impacted the legal response to the rapes, other sexual violence and other forms of misconduct by the football players.
- Met with complainants' parents. Ditto.
- Met (?) with witnesses / friends? If they did this, and P-H isn't clear on this, this would seriously undermine the legal system.
- Did not report misconduct -- and not just for the gang rape, but for the other 4 rapes, for dating violence and for other misconduct -- and not just to the police, but to the university in such a way that (a) Title IX evaluation occurred, and (b) campus safety was protected from a pattern of sexual violence by multiple football players.
- Did not identify cultural problems within football program, and address those sufficiently. Rapes kept happening, IOW.
- Actively diverted players from the criminal process.
- Actively diverted players from the BU student misconduct process.
- Took affirmative steps to keep the issue internal / in-house (may be the same as #6 & #7, but possibly additional steps).
- Engaged in improper conduct to reinforce the perception that football was above the rules. (again, overlaps with the above)
- Engaged in improper conduct to reinforce the perception that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct.
- Ignored the conflict of interest in doing the above as football staff.
- Failed to identify known risks (i.e., players) and set or maintain controls over said risks
- Did not set a policy or standard practice for reporting and documenting serious misconduct
- etc.
I'm agnostic on your last point. I have no idea what Horny knew and when, including if he was misled into thinking Briles was taking care of things properly, or that BU & Waco PD were. I suspect he did think that, given his tweet. In such cases, where I have no idea and there's no pattern of evil, I naturally assume the best.
Diadevic, you're a great member of this community, if I have any say so, but in this matter I think your memory or something is just off the mark. That said, you're miles ahead of the next Bear. Most BU guys are just deniers, to the core. "It's all a media conspiracy! And climate change and evolution are fake news, too! No golden showers!"
Yep, I had no idea who this was when I first saw the topic a couple days ago, and the two non Longhorns fans I've mentioned this to don't have the first clue what I'm talking about.
Being quiet about these kind of things is how a culture of rape enabling gets started.
We should never allow this hire at our university. The CAB/rape apologist should have no place at UT.
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