Time for UT to make a power play for Herman..

[Cotton #12]

I know what you mean, but, it can be argued. We sat through McWilliams and Mackovic eras. McWilliams got 5 years which we had 1 good year that was stained by a beatdown by Miami. Mackovic had a better stint in 6 years but, never became the elite level team we all want. Hiring the right guy takes a little luck as well. The right guy has to be available when you are ready to hire.

Good post,History says a lot,Texas will give a coach fair time to build his program.

 

[jsto60]

I agree Horn. Although I think Strong takes to much heat for the Watson hire. It was a bad hire but there is not an OC in this country that was turning Swoops or Hesrd in to anything more than an Avg QB. He brought in a real guy to work with Shane so as far as I'm concerned the Watson deal is in the past

Well I would have taken Avg Qb play for the first few years here. Watson didn't even bring that. He was a bad hire. The names that were being thrown around back then as hires, plenty of them succeeded in that year and are still succeeding. And a wet noodle could have gotten more out of our O in year 1.

What is really damning to me was keeping him around for year 2 and asking him to run an O that he was incapable of doing.

 

[bubba2023]

You missed the point. I'm not arguing the same arc. I'm saying when the previous coach leaves you a 7-8 win roster. It's not hard to win 9 games. When you inherited a roster that's struggling to get to bowl games and you don't have a QB. Yeah you might struggle.

Mack won 9 games in 2012 and 8 in 2013. You miss the point every time you mention Strong in the same sentence as actually successful coaches.

 

[jsto60]

Missed the point

So the point was that Charlie Strong is not Urban Meyer. And your year 1 comparison of Urban increasing wins at his new school does not at all translate to Strong decreasing wins in year 1. And is no excuse for year 3.

I like Strong and what he is building on and off the field, still think he can turn this around. But lets not make incongruent comparisons of him to a great coach and then use it as an excuse for his D getting inexplicably worse 3 years in a row. He fixed the O issues with a really good hire. Now step in as a defensive guy that you are and fix the damn D. This base 3-3-5 D played out years ago.

It is shocking to me how everyone applauds Belicheck and Saban for tailoring the team and schemes to use the talent they have. That is exactly what coaching is and I don't get why coaches are so rigid. Rigidity in sports breads failure. You have to change with the times and while you can have a style you prefer, you have to maximize it by adjusting for the talent you have AND the talent you play. 3-3-5 is getting us gashed in the run and has for years now. And our secondary isn't reaping some huge benefits as we are getting torched in the passing game as well.

No reason Texas should ever be a bottom 120+ ranked D, two years in a row. Fix it or else it is time to talk about our Defensive HC having to be replaced.

 

[bubba2023]

Strong is in on the job training right now. He is still learning how to be a head coach at this level. His success here is very much in the air. That is not what any of us expected but it's the reality right now.

 

[TexExSpur]

As of right now, the D is ranked 66th and the offense is ranked 22nd. They're first in the Big 12 for sacks and 11th nationally. If we have the talent in the secondary, it can be fixed.

Mack:
2008 total D - 51st - Scoring O - 5th
2009 total D - 3rd - Scoring O - 3rd
2010 total D - 6th - Scoring O - 88th
2011 total D - 11th - Scoring O - 55th
2012 total D - 68th - Scoring O - 23rd
2013 total D - 69th - Scoring O - 65th


Strong:
2014 total D - 26th - Scoring O - 109th
2015 total D - 107th - Scoring O - 83rd
2016 total D currently - 65th - Scoring O currently - 13th

 

[ryan_sublett]

Mack won 9 games in 2012 and 8 in 2013. You miss the point every time you mention Strong in the same sentence as actually successful coaches.

Mack had a better roster to start with. That's my point. Your roster dictates your win total and we haven't had a good roster for either Macks last year or Strongs first two years. The tide is changing on that though.

 

[mansura]

He's a Tiger

 

[TexExSpur]

He's a Tiger

lol, guess that means we get Herman?

 

[ASURAM2010]

Well I would have taken Avg Qb play for the first few years here. Watson didn't even bring that. He was a bad hire. The names that were being thrown around back then as hires, plenty of them succeeded in that year and are still succeeding. And a wet noodle could have gotten more out of our O in year 1.

What is really damning to me was keeping him around for year 2 and asking him to run an O that he was incapable of doing.

Because I wasn't paying much attention, who were some of the other names that were being thrown around as OC instead of Watson?

 

[jsto60]

Whoever it was that was complaining about nepotism and loyalty I have a question. Do you watch football? Nepetsim and "who you know" is all coaching is

Na, coaching is about X's and O's. Building a roster and getting the most out of it. Sure hiring guys you are comfortable with happens a lot. And so does new guys getting jobs out of nowhere.

Plenty of coaches don't take hack coordinators with them when they get promoted to the next level. Both of Strongs UL coordinator had already previously been fired from teams in the BigXII for being horrible at their job (OC Watson got the ax from BigXII twice, DC Bedford once). I understand wanting to bring your boys. But there were talks of real coordinators that were interested in the job and Strong had NO interest in anything other than cramming his guys in the job and lying to us about Wickline calling the plays in order to sneak Watson in. People accepted Bedford because he was a former player and heck its Strongs D anyway.

Notice how Sterlin Gilbert had ZERO ties to Strong....and yet we hired him. What a novel idea, when you hire the right guy, they just might succeed. When you bring old retreads...they probably will fail.



Do you watch football? Hell you don't have to look too far at most of the Texas coordinator hires recently to see that you don't have to have ties to the HC to get the job. See Muschamp, Chizik, Robinson, Diaz, Harsin. Hell only Applewhite had Texas or Mack ties.

 

[bworden7]

I respect Charlie Strong as a man and teacher of young men. I was excited when he was hired and I would be perfectly fine with him coaching my Son if he was good enough to be recruited by UT.

With that said I have seen enough over the last 3 years regardless of the talent that UT has had to know that he is not the right coach for us long term. Her certainly can evaluate talent and can develop them, once he get's them into the program there is no denying that, but his hiring decisions, loyalty to friends, and his in game clock management and in game decision making is what I call into question. Also there is zero excuse for our poor Defensive play three years in a row when he is supposed to be a Defensive Guru and has won a championship as a D coordinator.

It is a rare when and up and coming coach with the potential to be the next Urban Meyer or Nick Saban becomes available or can be hired away. I believe that Tom Herman has what it takes to become the next best coach in college football and could very well be at UT for 15 plus years and could win multiple championships here. I believe if we do not make a run for him that he will go to USC or LSU and we will in the same position that were were at the end of Mack's tenure looking for another coach that is already committed to a big time program. It could be a huge mistake moving forward and not making a run at him. He has already stated that UT was his "dream school"

UT should make a power play to bring Herman in and pay whatever the buyouts are and whatever salary he would command. UT has the resources and money to be a top 5 program every year. It's all coaching, and I have seen enough from Strong to know that we will never take the next step with him at the helm.

It was over 30 years since UT won a championship before they won with VY. With the buzz from that one championship and many top 10 finishes in a row UT was able to establish it's self as the highest earning college football program in the land, and has remained so even during last 5 years when we have been struggling. Imagine how much more money the University would make if we were actually making the college football playoff with regularity. The money would be insane and would cover any costs of any buyout or new contract and then some.

Ultimately I want what's best for UT and I believe in the short term and long term Herman is our best option. There is certainly talent here unlike when Mack left.

Love to hear your thoughts on this..

I think you should stay out of it and let this season play out in other words support the team as is and quit whining!

 

[Phuzzy22]

I respect Charlie Strong as a man and teacher of young men. I was excited when he was hired and I would be perfectly fine with him coaching my Son if he was good enough to be recruited by UT.

With that said I have seen enough over the last 3 years regardless of the talent that UT has had to know that he is not the right coach for us long term. Her certainly can evaluate talent and can develop them, once he get's them into the program there is no denying that, but his hiring decisions, loyalty to friends, and his in game clock management and in game decision making is what I call into question. Also there is zero excuse for our poor Defensive play three years in a row when he is supposed to be a Defensive Guru and has won a championship as a D coordinator.

It is a rare when and up and coming coach with the potential to be the next Urban Meyer or Nick Saban becomes available or can be hired away. I believe that Tom Herman has what it takes to become the next best coach in college football and could very well be at UT for 15 plus years and could win multiple championships here. I believe if we do not make a run for him that he will go to USC or LSU and we will in the same position that were were at the end of Mack's tenure looking for another coach that is already committed to a big time program. It could be a huge mistake moving forward and not making a run at him. He has already stated that UT was his "dream school"

UT should make a power play to bring Herman in and pay whatever the buyouts are and whatever salary he would command. UT has the resources and money to be a top 5 program every year. It's all coaching, and I have seen enough from Strong to know that we will never take the next step with him at the helm.

It was over 30 years since UT won a championship before they won with VY. With the buzz from that one championship and many top 10 finishes in a row UT was able to establish it's self as the highest earning college football program in the land, and has remained so even during last 5 years when we have been struggling. Imagine how much more money the University would make if we were actually making the college football playoff with regularity. The money would be insane and would cover any costs of any buyout or new contract and then some.

Ultimately I want what's best for UT and I believe in the short term and long term Herman is our best option. There is certainly talent here unlike when Mack left.

Love to hear your thoughts on this..

Tom Herman should stay right where he is...UT and A&M and their alum and followers have such a sense of entitlement...he should create a dynasty at U of H...

 

[ryan_sublett]

Na, coaching is about X's and O's. Building a roster and getting the most out of it. Sure hiring guys you are comfortable with happens a lot. And so does new guys getting jobs out of nowhere.

Plenty of coaches don't take hack coordinators with them when they get promoted to the next level. Both of Strongs UL coordinator had already previously been fired from teams in the BigXII for being horrible at their job (OC Watson got the ax from BigXII twice, DC Bedford once). I understand wanting to bring your boys. But there were talks of real coordinators that were interested in the job and Strong had NO interest in anything other than cramming his guys in the job and lying to us about Wickline calling the plays in order to sneak Watson in. People accepted Bedford because he was a former player and heck its Strongs D anyway.

Notice how Sterlin Gilbert had ZERO ties to Strong....and yet we hired him. What a novel idea, when you hire the right guy, they just might succeed. When you bring old retreads...they probably will fail.



Do you watch football? Hell you don't have to look too far at most of the Texas coordinator hires recently to see that you don't have to have ties to the HC to get the job. See Muschamp, Chizik, Robinson, Diaz, Harsin. Hell only Applewhite had Texas or Mack ties.

Yes I do watch football. I was physically unable to play football but I can promise you I know football just as well as someone that did play

And while yes coaching is about X's and O's it is also true that most coaches hire their friends or someone they had previous connections to

Examples

Kirby Smart worked for nick saban at LSU, The dolphins, and Alabama
Look at Bill Belichek's first staff in NE. Charlie wise, Romeo caranell both worked for him under parcels in NY. I could go on and on. Do you think it's coincidence that Sark is working with Lane kiffen.

 

[TexExSpur]

Tom Herman should stay right where he is...UT and A&M and their alum and followers have such a sense of entitlement...he should create a dynasty at U of H...

Miami 2.0? Highly unlikely!

 

[ryan_sublett]

Miami 2.0? Highly unlikely!

I don't think it will happen either, but Houston is a good situation to create something like that. Because it is a good spot Herman can be picky and only leave for a job he really wants.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Everyone keeps talking like Herman is the next great college coach at some university.

His next stop might be the NFL. I could see the NFL come calling just like any blueblood program out there.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Everyone keeps talking like Herman is the next great college coach at some university.

His next stop might be the NFL. I could see the NFL come calling just like any blueblood program out there.

Very possible. The NFL has been more open to college coaches and they've done pretty well. Of course the idea that college coaches didn't work in the NFL was a bit of a myth but it seems to be going away.

 

[Phuzzy22]

Tom Herman should stay right where he is and create a dynasty at U of H...

 

[DocAg]

I just don't buy into any of these guys until they do it week in and week out. Herman looks great getting his team up for 1 or 2 games a year. I don't think people understand this enough. Teams like Houston no matter their ranking will never carry the prestige other teams have. Other teams do NOT get up for Houston like they would another blue blood. Do you think if Alabama was playing a number 5 Houston or a number 22 Texas, who would they be motivated to play and beat more? No question it would be Texas. Houston on the other hand has players that were looked over by A&M, Texas, LSU, and other bigger programs that didn't show much interest. They play their superbowl of sorts against those teams every year, but Herman doesn't have to get his team up and ready for the next 6 weeks. They can play their C game and still come out on top. Herman may be able to hack it, and he may be the next Urban Meyer, but more of those up and coming coaches fail than they do succeed. I understand the excitement, but no one knows a thing on how he will do with more pressure and having to deal with a big win and get them right back up for the next week.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I just don't buy into any of these guys until they do it week in and week out. Herman looks great getting his team up for 1 or 2 games a year. I don't think people understand this enough. Teams like Houston no matter their ranking will never carry the prestige other teams have. Other teams do NOT get up for Houston like they would another blue blood. Do you think if Alabama was playing a number 5 Houston or a number 22 Texas, who would they be motivated to play and beat more? No question it would be Texas. Houston on the other hand has players that were looked over by A&M, Texas, LSU, and other bigger programs that didn't show much interest. They play their superbowl of sorts against those teams every year, but Herman doesn't have to get his team up and ready for the next 6 weeks. They can play their C game and still come out on top. Herman may be able to hack it, and he may be the next Urban Meyer, but more of those up and coming coaches fail than they do succeed. I understand the excitement, but no one knows a thing on how he will do with more pressure and having to deal with a big win and get them right back up for the next week.

Eh unless your conference is super tough your season really comes down to 2-3 games a year. I know the coaches say "well you have to be ready for every game. But if a top team is going yo lose a game you can most of the time narrow it down to 2-3

 

[TapeFace]

I just don't buy into any of these guys until they do it week in and week out. Herman looks great getting his team up for 1 or 2 games a year. I don't think people understand this enough. Teams like Houston no matter their ranking will never carry the prestige other teams have. Other teams do NOT get up for Houston like they would another blue blood. Do you think if Alabama was playing a number 5 Houston or a number 22 Texas, who would they be motivated to play and beat more? No question it would be Texas. Houston on the other hand has players that were looked over by A&M, Texas, LSU, and other bigger programs that didn't show much interest. They play their superbowl of sorts against those teams every year, but Herman doesn't have to get his team up and ready for the next 6 weeks. They can play their C game and still come out on top. Herman may be able to hack it, and he may be the next Urban Meyer, but more of those up and coming coaches fail than they do succeed. I understand the excitement, but no one knows a thing on how he will do with more pressure and having to deal with a big win and get them right back up for the next week.

The exact same thing was being said about Gary Patterson and TCU a few years back when they entered the Big 12. They won the conference, went 13-1 and pounded Ole Miss in their bowl game and narrowly missed being in the CFP.
If Herman stays at UofH and they get into the Big 12 they are an instant contender to win the conference.
I think the arguments you make are solid when it comes to denying them a spot in the CFP this year.

 

[bubba2023]

The exact same thing was being said about Gary Patterson and TCU a few years back when they entered the Big 12. They won the conference, went 13-1 and pounded Ole Miss in their bowl game and narrowly missed being in the CFP.
If Herman stays at UofH and they get into the Big 12 they are an instant contender to win the conference.
I think the arguments you make are solid when it comes to denying them a spot in the CFP this year.

It's been said about a lot of people. Some it's been correct some not. It's a valid concern regardless. The list of successful smaller conference coaches who failed in the major conferences includes a lot of names as well. Look at the guy Patterson replaced. He didn't make the jump so well.

 

[DocAg]

Eh unless your conference is super tough your season really comes down to 2-3 games a year. I know the coaches say "well you have to be ready for every game. But if a top team is going yo lose a game you can most of the time narrow it down to 2-3

I don't think so. Even in a watered down Big 12 right now, Texas has to be concerned with OU, Baylor, OSU, TCU, Tech, West Virginia, and you never know with Kansas St. They had Notre Dame and Cal as well. If Houston had to roll through even that schedule I believe they stumble at least once or twice. What I'm saying is most of those teams CAN beat you on any given day. Most of the teams in Houston's conference aren't going to beat you on ANY given day.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I don't think so. Even in a watered down Big 12 right now, Texas has to be concerned with OU, Baylor, OSU, TCU, Tech, West Virginia, and you never know with Kansas St. They had Notre Dame and Cal as well. If Houston had to roll through even that schedule I believe they stumble at least once or twice. What I'm saying is most of those teams CAN beat you on any given day. Most of the teams in Houston's conference aren't going to beat you on ANY given day.

Texas isn't a top team at the moment

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Texas isn't a top team at the moment

Actually agree with Doc, If Alabama put Texas on their schedule, you can bet that game is going to be circled just like everyone else does. Just like they did with USC. We all knew USC isn't the same level team they were in 2005, but Alabama's players were really up for that game just the same.

Houston, no matter how good would not get the same level of respect even as a top 5 ranking would indicate. However, if Herman were to stay and win a few championships, he could create a situation like Miami created in the 80's.

 

[vculou]

The new girl in school, the second string qb and that other coach are always more interesting, talented, better. Sigh..

 

[ryan_sublett]

Actually agree with Doc, If Alabama put Texas on their schedule, you can bet that game is going to be circled just like everyone else does. Just like they did with USC. We all knew USC isn't the same level team they were in 2005, but Alabama's players were really up for that game just the same.

Houston, no matter how good would not get the same level of respect even as a top 5 ranking would indicate. However, if Herman were to stay and win a few championships, he could create a situation like Miami created in the 80's.

You guys have missed my point. That's ok.

 

[_PIIHB_]

I respect Charlie Strong as a man and teacher of young men. I was excited when he was hired and I would be perfectly fine with him coaching my Son if he was good enough to be recruited by UT.

With that said I have seen enough over the last 3 years regardless of the talent that UT has had to know that he is not the right coach for us long term. Her certainly can evaluate talent and can develop them, once he get's them into the program there is no denying that, but his hiring decisions, loyalty to friends, and his in game clock management and in game decision making is what I call into question. Also there is zero excuse for our poor Defensive play three years in a row when he is supposed to be a Defensive Guru and has won a championship as a D coordinator.

It is a rare when and up and coming coach with the potential to be the next Urban Meyer or Nick Saban becomes available or can be hired away. I believe that Tom Herman has what it takes to become the next best coach in college football and could very well be at UT for 15 plus years and could win multiple championships here. I believe if we do not make a run for him that he will go to USC or LSU and we will in the same position that were were at the end of Mack's tenure looking for another coach that is already committed to a big time program. It could be a huge mistake moving forward and not making a run at him. He has already stated that UT was his "dream school"

UT should make a power play to bring Herman in and pay whatever the buyouts are and whatever salary he would command. UT has the resources and money to be a top 5 program every year. It's all coaching, and I have seen enough from Strong to know that we will never take the next step with him at the helm.

It was over 30 years since UT won a championship before they won with VY. With the buzz from that one championship and many top 10 finishes in a row UT was able to establish it's self as the highest earning college football program in the land, and has remained so even during last 5 years when we have been struggling. Imagine how much more money the University would make if we were actually making the college football playoff with regularity. The money would be insane and would cover any costs of any buyout or new contract and then some.

Ultimately I want what's best for UT and I believe in the short term and long term Herman is our best option. There is certainly talent here unlike when Mack left.

Love to hear your thoughts on this..

He will be the next great coach at Texas IMO

@Aggy=Nazi

Tell me whom I'm referring to:

Head coach at a mid major
Won a national title as a coordinator
Gained national attention by beating a highly ranked team from Florida in a BCS bowl game
Less than 55 games as a head coach
Brilliant mind as a coordinator
Loved and respected by his players
Awesome win loss record but not seasoned as a head coach-- just yet

Notice any similarities?

I was critical of Texas for hiring a coach with this limited resume. It would be hypocritical of me if I didn't feel the same way about Herman.

Ok. Let's compare Strong's 4 years at Louisville and Herman's 1st year at Houston.

-Herman won a conference title outright > Charlie never has (tied w/3&4 teams)
-Herman has had a Top 10 team (8) Charlie (13,15)
-Herman went undefeated vs ranked opponents 2-0, Charlie went 2-2 in 4 years
-Both did win NC as coordinator

I will say that Herman 1st year was better then Charlie's 4 years at Louisville.



Strong has shown a lot of game management flaws since his arrival on the 40. Posting the worst defense in the history of the program last year is a major red flag even coming from a "Defensive Guru".


As of right now in their HC (Power5) careers, I will say that Will Muschamp has been a better DC and HC. (Rankings & Wins)

Will Muschamp Defenses last 10 years
2006 Auburn: #23 (DC)
2007 Auburn: #6 (DC)
2008 Texas: #48 (DC)
2009 Texas: #5 (DC)
2010 Texas: #5 (DC)
2011: Florida #9 (HC)
2012: Florida #6 (HC)
2013: Florida #5 (HC)
2014: Florida #4 (HC)
2015: Auburn #85 (DC)

Top 25: 8
Top 10: 7
Top 5: 4
Records as HC in Power 5
30-22 (.576)

Charlie Strong defenses last 10 years
2006 Florida: #19 (Co-DC)
2007 Florida: #30 (Co-DC)
2008 Florida: #20 (DC)
2009 Florida: #6 (DC)
2010 Louisville: #15 (HC)
2011 Louisville: #24 (HC)
2012 Louisville: #26 (HC)
2013 Louisville: #1 (HC)
2014 Texas: #25 (HC)
2015 Texas: #106 (HC)

Top 25: 7
Top 10: 2
Top 5: 1
Records as HC in Power 5
13-15 (.464)


I will say that I do believe that Charlie is a better overall HC over Muschamp (not saying much) because he did win some at Louisville, but it was at a non-power 5 school and weak competition (4 ranked,4 years).



Now the reason OPEE and a lot of others believe that even though it's not always a guarantee that bringing in a new coach will lead us to championships...Herman checks off a lot of boxes.

• Texas Alum
• Texas Recruiting Ties
• Best offensive mind in college football
• Has finished ranked in Top 10
• Major Bowl Win
• 1 of 4 coaches to ever win 13 games in 1st season.

Yes, we are only 3 games into the 3rd season but the only thing that's been consistent is the lack of coaching. Charlie tenure at Texas has been a failure at this point and the stats show he is a subpar coach.

When the competition has gone up from his Louisville days to Texas days...He has been exposed.

Charlie's records vs ranked teams

2010
7-6 record
0 ranked team

2011
7-6 record 1-1
Lost Cincy #25
Beat WV #17

2012
11-2 record 1-0
Beat Florida #9 (Muschamp)

2013
12-1 record 0-1
Lost Central Florida #10

Total record: 37-15
Versus Ranked opponents: 2-2

2014
6-7 record 0-4
Lost UCLA#10
Lost Baylor #7
Lost K. St #18
Lost TCU #3

2015
5-7 record 2-3
Lost ND #11
Lost Ok. st #20
Lost TCU # 7
Beat #5 Ok
Beat #13 Baylor

Overall: 4-9 vs ranked opponents

Louisville: 37-15 (4 ranked teams) 2-2
Texas: 11-14 ( 9 ranked teams) 2-7
Career: 48-29 .623



If you compare his records to all MNC coached since 2000 it shows that the successful coaches win immediately.
Not one coach had a sub .500 at their school that they won a NC at.

Larry Coker - won national title in Year 1.

Urban Meyer - won national title in Year 2.
(9-3 previous year finished 2nd in Conf.)

Gene Chizik - won national title in Year 2.
(8-5 previous year finished 4thW in Conf.)

Jim Tressel - won national title in Year 2.
(7-5 previous year finished 3rd in Conf.)

Bob Stoops - won national title in Year 2
(7-5 previous year finished T-2nd in Conf.)

Les Miles - won national title in Year 3.
(1st year: 11-2 finished 1st in Conf.)
(2nd year: 11-2 finished T-1st in Conf.)

Jimbo Fisher - won national title in Year 4.
(1st year: 10-4 finished 1st in Conf.)
(2nd year: 9-4 finished T-2nd in Conf.)
(3rd year: 12-2 finished T-1st in Conf.)

Pete Carroll - won national title in Year 4.
(1st year: 6-6 finished 5th in Conf.)
(2nd year: 11-2 finished T-2st in Conf.)
(3rd year: 12-1 finished 1st in Conf.)

Nick Saban - won national title in Year 4 @ LSU
(1st year: 8-4 finished 3rd in Conf.)
(2nd year: 10-3 finished 1st in Conf.)
(3rd year: 8-5 finished T-2nd in Conf.)

Nick Saban - won national title in Year 3 at Alabama.
(1st year: 2-6 finished T-3rdW in Conf.)
(2nd year: 12-2 finished 1st in Conf.)
(3rd year: 14-0 finished 1st in Conf.)

Mack Brown - won natioanl title in Year 8.
(1st year: 9-3 finished 2nd in Conf.)
(2nd year: 9-5 finished 1st in Conf.)
(3rd year: 9-3 finished 2nd in Conf.)
(4th year: 11-2 finished 1th in Conf.)
(5th year: 11-2 finished T-1st in Conf.)
(6th year: 10-3 finished 2nd in Conf.)
(7th year: 11-1 finished 2nd in Conf.)

-----------------------------------------
Charlie Strong - at Texas
(1st year: 6-7 finished T-4th in Conf.)
(2nd year: 5-7 finished T-5th in Conf.)


We are fans of the University of Texas not the University of Charlie Strong. We need to do what is best for Texas and it is time to move on at the end of the season and get the coach that shows more promise and he happens to be a Texas Alum.

Hook'em

 

[Belldozer1]

He will be the next great coach at Texas IMO



Ok. Let's compare Strong's 4 years at Louisville and Herman's 1st year at Houston.

-Herman won a conference title outright > Charlie never has (tied w/3&4 teams)
-Herman has had a Top 10 team (8) Charlie (13,15)
-Herman went undefeated vs ranked opponents 2-0, Charlie went 2-2 in 4 years
-Both did win NC as coordinator

I will say that Herman 1st year was better then Charlie's 4 years at Louisville.



Strong has shown a lot of game management flaws since his arrival on the 40. Posting the worst defense in the history of the program last year is a major red flag even coming from a "Defensive Guru".


As of right now in their HC (Power5) careers, I will say that Will Muschamp has been a better DC and HC. (Rankings & Wins)

Will Muschamp Defenses last 10 years
2006 Auburn: #23 (DC)
2007 Auburn: #6 (DC)
2008 Texas: #48 (DC)
2009 Texas: #5 (DC)
2010 Texas: #5 (DC)
2011: Florida #9 (HC)
2012: Florida #6 (HC)
2013: Florida #5 (HC)
2014: Florida #4 (HC)
2015: Auburn #85 (DC)

Top 25: 8
Top 10: 7
Top 5: 4
Records as HC in Power 5
30-22 (.576)

Charlie Strong defenses last 10 years
2006 Florida: #19 (Co-DC)
2007 Florida: #30 (Co-DC)
2008 Florida: #20 (DC)
2009 Florida: #6 (DC)
2010 Louisville: #15 (HC)
2011 Louisville: #24 (HC)
2012 Louisville: #26 (HC)
2013 Louisville: #1 (HC)
2014 Texas: #25 (HC)
2015 Texas: #106 (HC)

Top 25: 7
Top 10: 2
Top 5: 1
Records as HC in Power 5
13-15 (.464)


I will say that I do believe that Charlie is a better overall HC over Muschamp (not saying much) because he did win some at Louisville, but it was at a non-power 5 school and weak competition (4 ranked,4 years).



Now the reason OPEE and a lot of others believe that even though it's not always a guarantee that bringing in a new coach will lead us to championships...Herman checks off a lot of boxes.

• Texas Alum
• Texas Recruiting Ties
• Best offensive mind in college football
• Has finished ranked in Top 10
• Major Bowl Win
• 1 of 4 coaches to ever win 13 games in 1st season.

Yes, we are only 3 games into the 3rd season but the only thing that's been consistent is the lack of coaching. Charlie tenure at Texas has been a failure at this point and the stats show he is a subpar coach.

When the competition has gone up from his Louisville days to Texas days...He has been exposed.

Charlie's records vs ranked teams

2010
7-6 record
0 ranked team

2011
7-6 record 1-1
Lost Cincy #25
Beat WV #17

2012
11-2 record 1-0
Beat Florida #9 (Muschamp)

2013
12-1 record 0-1
Lost Central Florida #10

Total record: 37-15
Versus Ranked opponents: 2-2

2014
6-7 record 0-4
Lost UCLA#10
Lost Baylor #7
Lost K. St #18
Lost TCU #3

2015
5-7 record 2-3
Lost ND #11
Lost Ok. st #20
Lost TCU # 7
Beat #5 Ok
Beat #13 Baylor

Overall: 4-9 vs ranked opponents

Louisville: 37-15 (4 ranked teams) 2-2
Texas: 11-14 ( 9 ranked teams) 2-7
Career: 48-29 .623



If you compare his records to all MNC coached since 2000 it shows that the successful coaches win immediately.
Not one coach had a sub .500 at their school that they won a NC at.

Larry Coker - won national title in Year 1.

Urban Meyer - won national title in Year 2.
(9-3 previous year finished 2nd in Conf.)

Gene Chizik - won national title in Year 2.
(8-5 previous year finished 4thW in Conf.)

Jim Tressel - won national title in Year 2.
(7-5 previous year finished 3rd in Conf.)

Bob Stoops - won national title in Year 2
(7-5 previous year finished T-2nd in Conf.)

Les Miles - won national title in Year 3.
(1st year: 11-2 finished 1st in Conf.)
(2nd year: 11-2 finished T-1st in Conf.)

Jimbo Fisher - won national title in Year 4.
(1st year: 10-4 finished 1st in Conf.)
(2nd year: 9-4 finished T-2nd in Conf.)
(3rd year: 12-2 finished T-1st in Conf.)

Pete Carroll - won national title in Year 4.
(1st year: 6-6 finished 5th in Conf.)
(2nd year: 11-2 finished T-2st in Conf.)
(3rd year: 12-1 finished 1st in Conf.)

Nick Saban - won national title in Year 4 @ LSU
(1st year: 8-4 finished 3rd in Conf.)
(2nd year: 10-3 finished 1st in Conf.)
(3rd year: 8-5 finished T-2nd in Conf.)

Nick Saban - won national title in Year 3 at Alabama.
(1st year: 2-6 finished T-3rdW in Conf.)
(2nd year: 12-2 finished 1st in Conf.)
(3rd year: 14-0 finished 1st in Conf.)

Mack Brown - won natioanl title in Year 8.
(1st year: 9-3 finished 2nd in Conf.)
(2nd year: 9-5 finished 1st in Conf.)
(3rd year: 9-3 finished 2nd in Conf.)
(4th year: 11-2 finished 1th in Conf.)
(5th year: 11-2 finished T-1st in Conf.)
(6th year: 10-3 finished 2nd in Conf.)
(7th year: 11-1 finished 2nd in Conf.)

-----------------------------------------
Charlie Strong - at Texas
(1st year: 6-7 finished T-4th in Conf.)
(2nd year: 5-7 finished T-5th in Conf.)


We are fans of the University of Texas not the University of Charlie Strong. We need to do what is best for Texas and it is time to move on at the end of the season and get the coach that shows more promise and he happens to be a Texas Alum.

Hook'em

Solid post

 

[TexExSpur]

The only way Strong gets fired is if he wins less than 8-9 games.

If he goes 0-2 over the next two weeks, you can fire up the band and get the fat lady ready to sing. Until then, it's a debate that is all noise.

 

[bubba2023]

Strong is a tremendous recruiter. At UL he was able to collect a lot of talent and coach in a conference where you could create a large talent gap if you could recruit. Now we are seeing his coaching deficiencies when he faces teams week in and week out where he doesn't have the clear advantage.

We hired Strong on the basis that he was an X and O's defensive guru. Coaching up 3 stars to 5 stars. Now the company line has pivoted that he needs more talent. In order for Strong to not field the 5th best team in the big 12 he needs 3-4 recruiting cycles of top 10 classes? Just not buying it.

Strong didn't inherit a Kansas level program. You guys still pointing at Mack need to pull your heads out of the sand. I get that we aren't a playoff team, but we aren't facing any playoff teams either. There is no reason this team shouldn't contend for the big 12 title. I want to see some of this "coaching up" he was hired for.

 

[RoboCocks21]

What's that smell? Is that my seat?
Charlie Strong, Texas

Original 2016 Status: Please have a functional offense.
Current Status: Please have a functional defense.

Before the Cal game, Strong seemed to have worked his way to safety with a good hire at offensive coordinator (Sterlin Gilbert) and the procurement of a young quarterback with a high ceiling (Shane Buechele). But after the Longhorns gave up 50 points to an offense that is identical to most of the schemes in the Big 12, things seemed less settled. (Notre Dame's flailing has taken the shine off that opening win as well.)

Beginning Saturday against Oklahoma State, we'll find out if a more hands-on Strong has solidified the defense. The Longhorns still have to show significant improvement in Big 12 play for Strong to stay. The next few weeks should provide some answers.

http://www.campusrush.com/college-football-coaches-hot-seat-2019142145.html?xid=nl_siextra

 

[jsto60]

Yes I do watch football. I was physically unable to play football but I can promise you I know football just as well as someone that did play

And while yes coaching is about X's and O's it is also true that most coaches hire their friends or someone they had previous connections to

Examples

Kirby Smart worked for nick saban at LSU, The dolphins, and Alabama
Look at Bill Belichek's first staff in NE. Charlie wise, Romeo caranell both worked for him under parcels in NY. I could go on and on. Do you think it's coincidence that Sark is working with Lane kiffen.

Color me unimpressed. I only brought up your football prowess, as it is what you attacked initially. And for a know it all, your examples are just a name game. And have no congruency to the point. We could sit here all day and toss out names of guys that HCs took with them to other jobs. And I could toss out names of guys that did the opposite.

And none of it has bearing. Saban is not Strong. Strong was stepping up to a job that many thought he might be in over his head. Those guys tend to go out and impress with coordinator hires to secure their position. Saban won freaking titles, he can keep whomever he wants, and yet he regularly steps outside his circle in hires. And Strongs biggest fault wasn't bringing HIS guys with him, it was bringing guys that are pretty much all GONE already in year 3 from the staff. Guys who had failed in this very conference before.

Look none of that has any bearing on my statement of "Charlie's nepotism and loyalty led to mishires that ultimately could be his downfall". I am not arguing that nepotism doesn't exist, I am just saying he wasn't bringing studs with him, he was bringing retreads that proved to still need to be fired in the BigXII like they were a few years back.

And for someone who watches and knows football, you'd think you could get a name right Belichick, Crennel, and Kiffin. Do you think it is a coincidence that Kiffin is working for Saban whom he had ZERO ties to?

I don't give a crap if you hire your mother in law to be the OC, if she can succeed at the job. But if you bypass other more qualified candidates for her, and then don't fire her when she fails......that's a problem.

 

[Belldozer1]

Strong is a tremendous recruiter. At UL he was able to collect a lot of talent and coach in a conference where you could create a large talent gap if you could recruit. Now we are seeing his coaching deficiencies when he faces teams week in and week out where he doesn't have the clear advantage.

We hired Strong on the basis that he was an X and O's defensive guru. Coaching up 3 stars to 5 stars. Now the company line has pivoted that he needs more talent. In order for Strong to not field the 5th best team in the big 12 he needs 3-4 recruiting cycles of top 10 classes? Just not buying it.

Strong didn't inherit a Kansas level program. You guys still pointing at Mack need to pull your heads out of the sand. I get that we aren't a playoff team, but we aren't facing any playoff teams either. There is no reason this team shouldn't contend for the big 12 title. I want to see some of this "coaching up" he was hired for.

Glad you bring up these points. And btw, I hold our 5mil+ coach to the same standards. At 5mil plus, there really ain't many excuses.