Trump Designates Mexican Cartels as Terrorist Organizations

[clob94]

@GuaranteedFresh! ...... you wanna lace'em back up and add some Narcos to the trophy cabinet?

Those poor Mexican fvckers have no idea what's about to come rolling down the hill.
I can literally hear those wet work boys sharpening their knives and cleaning their rifles.

We got a group of men hardened by 2 decades of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and who will be turned loose on an existential threat to this country.

If Trump truly green lights this and lets the dudes off the leash, the price of Cocaine will be $10,000 a gram in no time.

And I wouldn't dome them all. Hell no. Snatch and grab the big wigs- take them out on a boat and drown their asses in the Gulf of America.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

@GuaranteedFresh! ...... you wanna lace'em back up and add some Narcos to the trophy cabinet?

Those poor Mexican fvckers have no idea what's about to come rolling down the hill.
I can literally hear those wet work boys sharpening their knives and cleaning their rifles.

We got a group of men hardened by 2 decades of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and who will be turned loose on an existential threat to this country.

If Trump truly green lights this and let's the dudes off the leash, the price of Cocaine will be $10,000 a gram in no time.

And I wouldn't dome them all. Hell no. Snatch and grab the big wigs- take them out on a boat and drown their asses in the Gulf of America.

I'm interested how far this actually goes. Gonna take a fair bit of international cooperation.

Also the price for special hunts along the border ranches are about to skyrocket as well. Shhhhh!

 

[clob94]

I'm interested how far this actually goes. Gonna take a fair bit of international cooperation.

Also the price for special hunts along the border ranches are about to skyrocket as well. Shhhhh!

Mexico has radar- so they'd see us coming. But cartels would move their key people further in country- to make a helo incursion more difficult.

So you airdrop. But then you have to exfil.

We keep a consulate in 9 cities- and consular agencies in 9 more.
So you bring in the ground branch guys and let them operate out of those "compounds".
Fvck the Mexicans. Once you let them in on any kinetic operations, you've got Tora Bora all over again, and the Mexican feds will just let the cartel dealers out the back door-- just like the Paki's did to bin Laden.

It's time to go rip sh!t riot until the Mexican government either says "uncle" and gets completely out of our way- or actually, sincerely, gets in the fight.

It's time. Yes, we created that monster with our appetite for drugs- but that sh!t has to stop. Now. Mexican ppl will never be in control of their country as long as the Narcos hold so much sway over the government.

You want to end illegal immigration from our southern border? Make Mexico a thriving economy.
Make Mexico Great for the First time.

 

[txleapd]

I'm interested how far this actually goes. Gonna take a fair bit of international cooperation.

I think it’s fair to say that our current president doesn’t give two flying fvcks about Mexico’s cooperation, and Mexico does NOT wanted to be labeled as a State Sponsor of Terrorism, by “hosting groups within their border.”

Legal Ramifications of Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) Designation:

1. It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide “material support or resources” to a designated FTO. (The term “material support or resources” is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as ” any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’

2. Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).

3. Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

 

[clob94]

I think it’s fair to say that our current president doesn’t give two flying fvcks about Mexico’s cooperation, and Mexico does NOT wanted to be labeled as a State Sponsor of Terrorism, by “hosting groups within their border.”

Legal Ramifications of Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) Designation:

1. It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide “material support or resources” to a designated FTO. (The term “material support or resources” is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as ” any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’

2. Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).

3. Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

Interesting thought here--

Now that the cartels are an official terrorist organization-- how far down that ladder rung do we have to go before shooting a drug dealer in broad daylight gets you prosecuted?

I'm asking for a friend....... of course.

 

[txleapd]

🤔

 

[Drtxhorn]

I think it’s fair to say that our current president doesn’t give two flying fvcks about Mexico’s cooperation, and Mexico does NOT wanted to be labeled as a State Sponsor of Terrorism, by “hosting groups within their border.”

Legal Ramifications of Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) Designation:

1. It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide “material support or resources” to a designated FTO. (The term “material support or resources” is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as ” any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’

2. Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).

3. Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

This plus the tariffs on Mexican products purchased in the USA will force cooperation. All those manufacturing plants in Mexico will suddenly relocate to the USA to avoid the high tariffs. Mexico is in deep doodoo if it doesn’t cooperate.

 

[hillcountryhorn63697005]

Will have to go all in in beating the Cartel. They are one of the richest, best equipped military around. Also, not isolated to one particular area, state or country and has ties to our other adversaries.

 

[houstonwolves]

Of course, the cartels will re group. think of Geronimo and guerrilla type of raids across the US border. or some gangland type of massacres. it could get bloody.

 

[txleapd]

Will have to go all in in beating the Cartel. They are one of the richest, best equipped military around. Also, not isolated to one particular area, state or country and has ties to our other adversaries.

I don’t know about the best equipped part. They don’t have armor, artillery, fighters, bombers, gunships, drones, cruise missiles, satellites, air transport, anti-armor, navy, etc…. They don’t have the numbers we do.

They don’t have the training our troops do. They might have bought some former Spec Ops guys from South America, but I’ve trained with those types and I’d put conventional Marine grunts up against them any day, confident that the jarheads would handle them. Our SOCOM guys would use them as training dummies. I would hazard to guess we will mostly likely use SOCOM and ground branch, with air and drone strikes.

Remember that the “cartels” are just that. Cartels; as in plural. It’s not one organization, or conglomerate of organizations, with single like-minded goal(s). They’re competitors. They fvcking hate each other (I can’t really stress that enough). They will turn on each other if they see the slightest possible benefit. They’re not Muslim extremists, who at least have like-minded ideology, that are willing to put their differences aside in the name of holy war. They’re criminals. They think like criminals. They act like criminals. They really aren’t that dedicated to their cause. A lot of them only work for a cartel, because there’s no other choice.

When I was on a federal task force I worked some case that involved cartels. They are brutal. But, that’s all they’ve got. They use terror to pacify the locals down in Mexico, but they always knew better than to bring that shit here. I also have enough military experience to know what we’re capable of, and that’s from 25 years ago. Our troops have only gotten better after fighting terrorists for the last two decades.

It was one thing running dope, but when they started smuggling bad actors into our country they set themselves up. The cartels’ worst nightmare has always been the US using our military assets on them, and we’re about to make their dreams come true.

 

[hillcountryhorn63697005]

I don’t know about the best equipped part. They don’t have armor, artillery, fighters, bombers, gunships, drones, cruise missiles, satellites, air transport, anti-armor, navy, etc…. They don’t have the numbers we do.

They don’t have the training our troops do. They might have bought some former Spec Ops guys from South America, but I’ve trained with those types and I’d put conventional Marine grunts up against them any day, confident that the jarheads would handle them. Our SOCOM guys would use them as training dummies. I would hazard to guess we will mostly likely use SOCOM and ground branch, with air and drone strikes.

Remember that the “cartels” are just that. Cartels; as in plural. It’s not one organization, or conglomerate of organizations, with single like-minded goal(s). They’re competitors. They fvcking hate each other (I can’t really stress that enough). They will turn on each other if they see the slightest possible benefit. They’re not Muslim extremists, who at least have like-minded ideology, that are willing to put their differences aside in the name of holy war. They’re criminals. They think like criminals. They act like criminals. They really aren’t that dedicated to their cause. A lot of them only work for a cartel, because there’s no other choice.

When I was on a federal task force I worked some case that involved cartels. They are brutal. But, that’s all they’ve got. They use terror to pacify the locals down in Mexico, but they always knew better than to bring that shit here. I also have enough military experience to know what we’re capable of, and that’s from 25 years ago. Our troops have only gotten better after fighting terrorists for the last two decades.

It was one thing running dope, but when they started smuggling bad actors into our country they set themselves up. The cartels’ worst nightmare has always been the US using our military assets on them, and we’re about to make their dreams come true.

This is good to know. Thanks.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Of course, the cartels will re group. think of Geronimo and guerrilla type of raids across the US border. or some gangland type of massacres. it could get bloody.

 

[Drtxhorn]

I don’t know about the best equipped part. They don’t have armor, artillery, fighters, bombers, gunships, drones, cruise missiles, satellites, air transport, anti-armor, navy, etc…. They don’t have the numbers we do.

They don’t have the training our troops do. They might have bought some former Spec Ops guys from South America, but I’ve trained with those types and I’d put conventional Marine grunts up against them any day, confident that the jarheads would handle them. Our SOCOM guys would use them as training dummies. I would hazard to guess we will mostly likely use SOCOM and ground branch, with air and drone strikes.

Remember that the “cartels” are just that. Cartels; as in plural. It’s not one organization, or conglomerate of organizations, with single like-minded goal(s). They’re competitors. They fvcking hate each other (I can’t really stress that enough). They will turn on each other if they see the slightest possible benefit. They’re not Muslim extremists, who at least have like-minded ideology, that are willing to put their differences aside in the name of holy war. They’re criminals. They think like criminals. They act like criminals. They really aren’t that dedicated to their cause. A lot of them only work for a cartel, because there’s no other choice.

When I was on a federal task force I worked some case that involved cartels. They are brutal. But, that’s all they’ve got. They use terror to pacify the locals down in Mexico, but they always knew better than to bring that shit here. I also have enough military experience to know what we’re capable of, and that’s from 25 years ago. Our troops have only gotten better after fighting terrorists for the last two decades.

It was one thing running dope, but when they started smuggling bad actors into our country they set themselves up. The cartels’ worst nightmare has always been the US using our military assets on them, and we’re about to make their dreams come true.

We know who the kingpins are of every cartel organization and can take them out in a heartbeat. They know it too. If they try some dumb shit on us militarily, they're dead. So unless they have a death wish, I foresee the cartels also cooperating. I wouldn't be surprised to see them actually helping to police the border!

 

[houstonwolves]

We know who the kingpins are of every cartel organization and can take them out in a heartbeat. They know it too. If they try some dumb shit on us militarily, they're dead. So unless they have a death wish, I foresee the cartels also cooperating. I wouldn't be surprised to see them actually helping to police the border!

If you take out Fentanyl and migrant trafficking it will be like telling GM to stop selling light duty trucks.

I don't think they give up and say OK, even if they are given very persuasive reasons.

 

[txleapd]

Of course, the cartels will re group. think of Geronimo and guerrilla type of raids across the US border. or some gangland type of massacres. it could get bloody.

I doubt they’re going to want to escalate. Those kinds of terror tactics would only harden our resolve

 

[txleapd]

If you take out Fentanyl and migrant trafficking it will be like telling GM to stop selling light duty trucks.

I don't think they give up and say OK, even if they are given very persuasive reasons.

I’ve always found that almost everyone finds breathing to be a very persuasive reason.

 

[clob94]

I honestly can't see them being more than cannon fodder for JSOC.
Now that being said- that sort of mindset is what lands you back in the middle of another Blackhawk down fiasco.
But I don't think you'd conduct ops in the same manner. Mexico won't want us there. They have an organized military- unlike Somalia.
So we will have to do things clandestine. Low profile. Low impact. Small footprint. But I just don't see how that's possible. The first time you've got a fireteam pinned by a boat load of baddies, out goes the call and in comes the calvalry. That's when the sh!t hits the fan and collateral casualties happen. Then, this is over.

But do I want to see our best go in there and decapitate all the cartels? Damn right. It's been a long time coming.

 

[speedstrength]

They are better armed than most people think.

Small arms up to 50 caliber weapons by the 10s of thousands that have been smuggled from the US into Mexico. There are videos of them using some type of belt fed automatic weapon mounted to a "Narco Tank" against the Military.

They definitely have drones. Look at the success Ukraine has had in turning hobby drones into tank killers. They were at CES in Vegas this year showing off what they can do. I am 100% positive they have similar capabilities.

There are also reports of military grade shoulder fired anti tank and anti aircraft weapons including javelins, anti personnel mines, and anti vehicle mines. A little skeptical on the javelins but they found and ISIS cell with one so anything is possible. But that being said they could get their hands on small arms available to the militaries of Central and South America, Iran, and Russia. It wouldn't surprise me if the were able to get their hands on Chinese military equipment as well. They would definitely be equipped as well as any clandestine special forces group we sent down there.

Would they be able to stop us. Probably not be they would definatley be able to stop us some of the time and they have a steady revenue stream from the US and South and Central America so they would be able to continue to purchase weapons for an extended period of time.

 

[oldhorn2]

we beat the cartels in Colombia without using whole army units, and we can do the same in Mexico. Our biggest problem is the shear amount of money they have. They have completely infiltrated the Mexican Govt and Army. For that matter, they have infiltrated to some extent our Border Patrol, law enforcement and banking system. It will not be easy, but we can do it.

 

[txleapd]

They are better armed than most people think.

Small arms up to 50 caliber weapons by the 10s of thousands that have been smuggled from the US into Mexico. There are videos of them using some type of belt fed automatic weapon mounted to a "Narco Tank" against the Military.

They definitely have drones. Look at the success Ukraine has had in turning hobby drones into tank killers. They were at CES in Vegas this year showing off what they can do. I am 100% positive they have similar capabilities.

There are also reports of military grade shoulder fired anti tank and anti aircraft weapons including javelins, anti personnel mines, and anti vehicle mines. A little skeptical on the javelins but they found and ISIS cell with one so anything is possible. But that being said they could get their hands on small arms available to the militaries of Central and South America, Iran, and Russia. It wouldn't surprise me if the were able to get their hands on Chinese military equipment as well. They would definitely be equipped as well as any clandestine special forces group we sent down there.

Would they be able to stop us. Probably not be they would definatley be able to stop us some of the time and they have a steady revenue stream from the US and South and Central America so they would be able to continue to purchase weapons for an extended period of time.

You’re giving the cartels too much credit. They aren’t freedom fighters, patriots, or religious fanatics. They’re criminals. There are extreme differences in those mindsets.

They aren’t going to be rolling armor. They aren’t going to have air support. They aren’t going to have artillery. They aren’t going to have QRFs. The technological gap will be very similar to Afghanistan and Vietnam, but the big difference is that those belligerents were fighting for an ideal.

I have no doubts they can get their hands on some of the stuff you mentioned, but so they have the expertise? And a commercially available drone isn’t even close to the same thing as a predator, or a JDAM coming of an F-15/16/18, and an AC-130. The military has already started fielding technology to countermeasure the drones like they’re using in the Ukraine

It’s going to be difficult for them keep getting arms from overseas if an embargo is put in place. But, if we have to embargo Mexico, we’ll do it to the entire country.

I’m under no illusion that that they could reach out to terror groups for support, but that would be their death sentence. If they are stupid enough to allow radicals to wage jihad from their doorstep, then they pull the Mexican government into their shit. Try to remember that this isn’t some country on the other side of the world that US citizens can’t point to on a map. This is next door.

I think it will start with political pressures and a few clandestine raids. When their bosses houses start going up in smoke, their employees (because that’s what they are) aren’t going to want to hang around. They’ll cut and run.

I could be wrong, but I’ve actually dealt with these dudes. They flip on each other in heartbeat if they can come out ahead.

 

[txleapd]

we beat the cartels in Colombia without using whole army units, and we can do the same in Mexico. Our biggest problem is the shear amount of money they have. They have completely infiltrated the Mexican Govt and Army. For that matter, they have infiltrated to some extent our Border Patrol, law enforcement and banking system. It will not be easy, but we can do it.

We may as well toss every south Texas sheriff, judge, mayor and DA in jail now.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

They are better armed than most people think.

Small arms up to 50 caliber weapons by the 10s of thousands that have been smuggled from the US into Mexico. There are videos of them using some type of belt fed automatic weapon mounted to a "Narco Tank" against the Military.

They definitely have drones. Look at the success Ukraine has had in turning hobby drones into tank killers. They were at CES in Vegas this year showing off what they can do. I am 100% positive they have similar capabilities.

There are also reports of military grade shoulder fired anti tank and anti aircraft weapons including javelins, anti personnel mines, and anti vehicle mines. A little skeptical on the javelins but they found and ISIS cell with one so anything is possible. But that being said they could get their hands on small arms available to the militaries of Central and South America, Iran, and Russia. It wouldn't surprise me if the were able to get their hands on Chinese military equipment as well. They would definitely be equipped as well as any clandestine special forces group we sent down there.

Would they be able to stop us. Probably not be they would definatley be able to stop us some of the time and they have a steady revenue stream from the US and South and Central America so they would be able to continue to purchase weapons for an extended period of time.

In short, it would be like taking out hornet nests. Their compounds and individual groups would be a heck of a gun fight but once you knock out a nest, there's no replacement only the next nest.

They don't have state backing and although heavy in cash, low in back-up supplies. Easy targets.

 

[clob94]

You’re giving the cartels too much credit. They aren’t freedom fighters, patriots, or religious fanatics. They’re criminals. There are extreme differences in those mindsets.

They aren’t going to be rolling armor. They aren’t going to have air support. They aren’t going to have artillery. They aren’t going to have QRFs. The technological gap will be very similar to Afghanistan and Vietnam, but the big difference is that those belligerents were fighting for an ideal.

I have no doubts they can get their hands on some of the stuff you mentioned, but so they have the expertise? And a commercially available drone isn’t even close to the same thing as a predator, or a JDAM coming of an F-15/16/18, and an AC-130. The military has already started fielding technology to countermeasure the drones like they’re using in the Ukraine

It’s going to be difficult for them keep getting arms from overseas if an embargo is put in place. But, if we have to embargo Mexico, we’ll do it to the entire country.

I’m under no illusion that that they could reach out to terror groups for support, but that would be their death sentence. If they are stupid enough to allow radicals to wage jihad from their doorstep, then they pull the Mexican government into their shit. Try to remember that this isn’t some country on the other side of the world that US citizens can’t point to on a map. This is next door.

I think it will start with political pressures and a few clandestine raids. When their bosses houses start going up in smoke, their employees (because that’s what they are) aren’t going to want to hang around. They’ll cut and run.

I could be wrong, but I’ve actually dealt with these dudes. They flip on each other in heartbeat if they can come out ahead.

I just have a hard time seeing us putting Spectre gunships over Mexican airspace. That's a fvck ton of noise. And it's not like those things aren't messy.
I also don't see hellfires coming off Predator drone rails. Watching folks is one thing- targeting them with a hellfire in downtown Oaxaca- that's gonna piss people off.
But sending in the pipe hitters to bounce from target to target in the middle of the night- that's low inpact- provided they don't get ratted on by the Mexican Federalis--- boxed in--- all hell breaks loose, etc.
I know the Mexicans have trained with different service branches and different outfits in those branches- including Army ODA-- Green Berets.... but that's gotta be more like old, fat CEOs that go to Mike Krzyzewski's "basketball" camp.
Sure- they learn some sh!t........ but how much do they REALLY learn?