Making the move in 2024… that would classify as holy shit news
USC and UCLA to the big 10
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USC, UCLA to leave Pac-12 for Big Ten in 2024: College sports begins its latest seismic shakeup
A second round of power conference realignment in as many years is officially underway
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It's a done deal announcement coming soon.....I had posted this in another thread just didn't want to start a new one
Ah my bad. Didn’t see it
in some ways it’s not surprising. When news broke of Texas and OU to the SEC there were rumors of USC coming too
Does Lincoln Riley stay at USC now? Lol
Oregon and Washington are in a precarious position here. Assuming conferences stay at 16 which is a good fit with 3-6-6 or 1-7-7 formats, they risk being left out in the cold.
1. The SEC and b10 are at 16 teams.
2. The ACC needs to add WVU and ND which will put the ACC at 16.
3. Once Tx and OU leave, that would put the b12 at 11.
4. I could see the 2 AZ schools, Utah, and CU bolting because they are a geographical fit with the B12. That leaves one spot left in the B12.
1. The SEC and b10 are at 16 teams.
2. The ACC needs to add WVU and ND which will put the ACC at 16.
3. Once Tx and OU leave, that would put the b12 at 11.
4. I could see the 2 AZ schools, Utah, and CU bolting because they are a geographical fit with the B12. That leaves one spot left in the B12.
Oregon is a powerhouse with phill knight behind them. They’ll find a landing spot.
Definitely not good for UO or UW. I guess they stay put and peel off teams from Mountain West or B12
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I've read - if this happens - they'll have the 4 biggest TV markets in NYC, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia-surrounding East coast.
And TV markets like Washington D.C, Baltimore, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Minneapolis, Milwaukee and Indianapolis. All of those markets (city and surrounding area) are at least 3.5 million plus, And I've probably missed one or two big TV markets. Their TV markets (MONEY) is mind-boggling. Even Rutgers adds value as they pull in the New Jersey - New York City viewers
And TV markets like Washington D.C, Baltimore, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Minneapolis, Milwaukee and Indianapolis. All of those markets (city and surrounding area) are at least 3.5 million plus, And I've probably missed one or two big TV markets. Their TV markets (MONEY) is mind-boggling. Even Rutgers adds value as they pull in the New Jersey - New York City viewers
Meh, but does anyone watch Rutgers or anyone outside osu, mich, or psu?
You'd be surprised how many Rutgers fans tune in to Big Ten football and especially now that the Big Ten Network is inside all of those markets - including NYC and New Jersey
My ex brother-in-law is a Rutgers graduate and I talk to him every so often and he'll tell you many people - in the NJ and NYC markets - will tune into a Rutgers game with OSU, Michigan and especially Penn State whom they absolutely hate. I think your underestimating the passion that fan bases like Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, MSU, Wisconsin and especially Nebraska have for their teams. And even if their teams aren't on TV, they'll tune in to watch their rivals play someone. Same with OSU, Michigan, and PSU fans. They'll watch other Big Ten games to scope out their future competition - and like mentioned - we're talking some massive TV markets
Hey Colorado - how's that move from the Big XII for more stability working out for ya???
New York is a big TV market, but it could care less about college football.
USC can make their own choice, UCLA cannot. UCLA would need approval from UC system chancellor and the legislature could interfere with their decision to move. Will be interesting to see if that has been checked off or if they will be forced to stay.
College football needs to move away from the ncaa and conference affiliations and just establish a 40 team college football league comprising of the 40 most viable programs. Negotiate its own TV deals and set up a playoff format similar to the NFL.
Probably going to happen soon than later. USC and Penn State works for football. Doesn't make much sense for any of the other sports and its really bad for baseball/softball. 4x10 team regional conference 9 in conference games and 1 cross over game for the other conference 16 team playoff. That is where the money is.
Not a fan of this. This would be a huge downer. If the conferences grow past 16 teams, this thing begins to become too much like the crappy NFL. Keep cfb regional. This is a huge overreach by the B1G. USC and UCLA will be traveling across the country every other week for games. It won't be that great. The SEC at 16 is much better.
Big 9am kickoff in LA....
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The Cali schools will negotiate later afternoon/night games when they are on the road. 7pm kick off in Nebraska will be 5pm in Cali. 3 hour game means Cali fan can watch the game, then still go out to dinner or the club.
USC and UCLA won't be playing any late games at home. Home games will all be 11am PST or the 3pm PST window.
All those cali kids playing on the frozen tundra at night? I'll watch that.
Man it sure will feel like the twilight zone seeing the scores ticker the next few years. Tx & OU in sec updates, USC & UCLA in B10 updates, all of b12s replacements in theirs.
It likely isn't finished getting weird just yet.
It likely isn't finished getting weird just yet.
With TX and OK leaving soon BYU will now have the biggest Big XII stadium at 65,000. Kudos to BYU they have made a real commitment to fb. They got in on the NIL right away and it's paying dividends. They're playing what has to be one of the 5 toughest schedules in the country. I have them as my early favorite for the at large team. They're playing ND, Baylor, AR, OR, and ST. If they win 4 of those games they will be. They will probably be the best tv draw in the new Big XII. Let's me tell you the LDS identity with BYU fb is real. They will. Those games I mentioned will draw well. Finally Kalani Sitake is a top notch coach.
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The B12~B20 will be the first super conference. Scheduling could be 1-9-9 or 3-4-4-4-4. Probably the 1-9-9 because they would be able to package and sell more P4 conference games to ESPN plus. 1-9-9 would allow 1 rival every year and then a rotation of all other teams every other year so all teams would be played every 2 years. This would have better football top to bottom than the Big 10.
Pods
TCU
Baylor
Tech
Houston
Ok st
ISU
Kansas
K st
Utah
BYU
ASU
AU
WVU
UCF
CINN
CU
UO
Or St
UW
Wash St
Pods
TCU
Baylor
Tech
Houston
Ok st
ISU
Kansas
K st
Utah
BYU
ASU
AU
WVU
UCF
CINN
CU
UO
Or St
UW
Wash St
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New York, Chicago, LA are definitely NFL cities - first and foremost - no doubt about it. No college team could compete with the Jets, Giants, or Bears. But we're talking about college Saturday football. Many people - in the North, East, and West - will tune in on Saturday just because nothing else is on. If you think teams like Notre Dame, OSU, Michigan or Penn State don't pull in viewers in those cities, you're just fooling yourself - especially Notre dame and OSU. Penn State pulls in viewers in NYC and especially Philly. I lived and worked in NYC - for a while before I retired - and it was common to see CF on TV sets on Saturday afternoons. If the Big Ten pulls in both ND and Stanford as rumored, that would be a TV market mega coup.
Here's a sad but important truth about the Big XII, the PAC XII, and the SEC and Big X.
Stadiums
I mentioned the stadium at BYU and the stadium at ISU holds 61,000. The stadiums at TT, WV, and OSU hold 55,000. But here's the thing with the exception of Vanderbilt every SEC stadium has at minimum a 60,000 seat stadium. The other Big XII stadiums have only 45,000 seat stadiums.
PAC XII vs Big X
With SC and UCLA gone WA has the biggest stadium at 71,000. The stadium at Cal is 60, 000. But that's it. Now look at the Big X. With the exception of NW and IN every Big X stadium holds at least 65,000. And the Big X has an incredible tv market now.
Former PAC XII commissioner Larry Scott destroyed his conference. He negotiated a horrible tv contact and tried to cultivate a phony, bs image about the PAC XII and especially himself. He was also a terrible leader. With the exception of OR and WA nobody made any real commitment to athletics. That's why it galls me that someone like UCLA is leaving for the Big X. They've never made any commitment to athletics. Unless it's SC there are never more than 35,000 people at a UCLA game and we're talking about the Rose Bowl. A few years ago OK had more fans than UCLA. They've had minimal success in athletics But they're in LA and that's all that matters.
Finally last year the Big XII pleaded with the Pac XII about joining forces and the Pac XII laughed at them. Used academic smack talk as the reason. The Pac XII has always been this way but it's only because of ST and Cal which is a public Ivy. USC has destroyed it's academic integrity.
Imo, Pac XII stadiums are the most idyllic settings in college fb. And SC is going to trade that in for sitting for an IN, IA, or IL cornfield on GameDay. Or travel 2500 miles just to watch them play someone like Rutgers or Maryland.
But college fb is ESPN's cash cow. And ESPN and the SEC are making a power grab for all of college fb and kicking everyone else to the curb. The best thing about college fb is tradition and ESPN/SEC don't care about that well in the SEC their tradition must be upheld but f everyone else's. And the SEC will forever have dominance in college fb. And you know the Big X isn't really s in sports. They had 9 teams in March Madness but only one even made it to the sweet 16. But as long as either MI or tOSU make the playoffs or win the RB they're fine. And now they have the major markets. And that's all that matters.
I know most people on here are going to say well f them we're in I don't care about them. But I do. I love college fb and it's traditions. Times do change I know that but it didn't have to happen like it has or how it was done.
And you can thank ESPN/SEC for that.
Stadiums
I mentioned the stadium at BYU and the stadium at ISU holds 61,000. The stadiums at TT, WV, and OSU hold 55,000. But here's the thing with the exception of Vanderbilt every SEC stadium has at minimum a 60,000 seat stadium. The other Big XII stadiums have only 45,000 seat stadiums.
PAC XII vs Big X
With SC and UCLA gone WA has the biggest stadium at 71,000. The stadium at Cal is 60, 000. But that's it. Now look at the Big X. With the exception of NW and IN every Big X stadium holds at least 65,000. And the Big X has an incredible tv market now.
Former PAC XII commissioner Larry Scott destroyed his conference. He negotiated a horrible tv contact and tried to cultivate a phony, bs image about the PAC XII and especially himself. He was also a terrible leader. With the exception of OR and WA nobody made any real commitment to athletics. That's why it galls me that someone like UCLA is leaving for the Big X. They've never made any commitment to athletics. Unless it's SC there are never more than 35,000 people at a UCLA game and we're talking about the Rose Bowl. A few years ago OK had more fans than UCLA. They've had minimal success in athletics But they're in LA and that's all that matters.
Finally last year the Big XII pleaded with the Pac XII about joining forces and the Pac XII laughed at them. Used academic smack talk as the reason. The Pac XII has always been this way but it's only because of ST and Cal which is a public Ivy. USC has destroyed it's academic integrity.
Imo, Pac XII stadiums are the most idyllic settings in college fb. And SC is going to trade that in for sitting for an IN, IA, or IL cornfield on GameDay. Or travel 2500 miles just to watch them play someone like Rutgers or Maryland.
But college fb is ESPN's cash cow. And ESPN and the SEC are making a power grab for all of college fb and kicking everyone else to the curb. The best thing about college fb is tradition and ESPN/SEC don't care about that well in the SEC their tradition must be upheld but f everyone else's. And the SEC will forever have dominance in college fb. And you know the Big X isn't really s in sports. They had 9 teams in March Madness but only one even made it to the sweet 16. But as long as either MI or tOSU make the playoffs or win the RB they're fine. And now they have the major markets. And that's all that matters.
I know most people on here are going to say well f them we're in I don't care about them. But I do. I love college fb and it's traditions. Times do change I know that but it didn't have to happen like it has or how it was done.
And you can thank ESPN/SEC for that.
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And now what about ND or the ACC's future?
What do any of you know about ND's tradition and their history? I mean I can't stand them personally but nobody has tradition like ND. At the heart of it is that they're always been an independent. That means when they go to the FB like they did last year they net at least 10 mil and nobody else can say that. Will they have to finally join a conference? I know the ACC is pushing hard for them and believe it or not WV as well. But if they're unsuccessful then the ACC will also become a sinking ship. Just like the Pac XII and the Big XII.
What do any of you know about ND's tradition and their history? I mean I can't stand them personally but nobody has tradition like ND. At the heart of it is that they're always been an independent. That means when they go to the FB like they did last year they net at least 10 mil and nobody else can say that. Will they have to finally join a conference? I know the ACC is pushing hard for them and believe it or not WV as well. But if they're unsuccessful then the ACC will also become a sinking ship. Just like the Pac XII and the Big XII.
One thing that comes to mind. I think ND will go to the Big. Generations past from the Big have hated ND. It will be interesting to see how that marriage works out.... If ND goes to the Big, then I think Oregon follows but that is where it will stop for now. The ACC gor is going to be impossible to crack for a long while.
This is where a possible benefit for Texas looms. If a sufficient amount of teams leave the B12 to join with the Pac teams to create a conference then we are out of the B12 GOR.
This is where a possible benefit for Texas looms. If a sufficient amount of teams leave the B12 to join with the Pac teams to create a conference then we are out of the B12 GOR.
No one is leaving the B12 If anything it will be teams from PAC leaving for the B12
I think Texas and OU will reach a deal with the new conference comish to get out. The only reason a deal wasn’t reached before is Bowlsby was butthurt. The new guy doesn’t have any personal skin in the game
Why all the cryin? I ain't pullin my hair out over this bullshit. Some of you need to get a life. God damm!
Meh, I lost all care about traditions when b12 imploded the 1st time. It's not like traditions weren't broken/established many many times before in the last 100yrs. Remember, b12 was a baby as far as conferences go.
We'll be fine as long as UT stays out in front of the ever changing landscape. Schools that tie themselves at the hip to other local schools are the ones that get left behind. Roll with the punches, embrace the suck.
We'll be fine as long as UT stays out in front of the ever changing landscape. Schools that tie themselves at the hip to other local schools are the ones that get left behind. Roll with the punches, embrace the suck.
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