Uvalde-- we've got to do something

[LAY THE WOODY]

Papa Joe destroyed that girls life his blood daughter. She lived in an institution the last 60 years of her life.

Why cause she couldn't be like the rest of the Kennedys. Before she had it was it obvious that she wasn't going to compete in sailing, and not be in public office and Papa Joe couldn't accept it.

Of all the Kennedy children only Eunice cared for h

Go on.....

 

[outhereincali]

Logic is lost with dems. Pretty simple.

No logic is lost on Republicans.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

No logic is lost on Republicans.

Yes, you? Cmon man. 😂

 

[jah4550]

Man, I respect your position because it seems to come from a more reasonable place than what is spewed from most that blame guns for deaths.

I personally hunt with a 30-06 that was handed down from my father. It came with a 5rd mag but can just as easily accept whatever you have just like the evil AR platform. Banning the varmint hunting .223/ 5.56 round will accomplish nothing except pissing people off and the mass migration to another platform where this cycle of demonizing an inanimate tool starts over and over and over.

The thing is, none of what I typed even matters because our 2A has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. It is 100% about preventing this country from becoming what our founders left.
We've had it good for soo long that most Americans have no idea how easily our way of living and basic freedoms can and certainly will disappear in an instant if there's no deterrence or ability to resist.
I do. I've seen it all too intimately. I bear physical scars from opposing it for others.

I have no problem with a more in depth evaluation for a 1st time purchaser but the whole expand background checks talking point is stupid. Under no circumstances are you able to legally purchase a firearm without undergoing a fed check. Yes, even at gun shows. That ship sailed many years ago.

For me, it's forced single entry point with qualified armed guard for every school that does nothing but security...period. Nothing else will have more impact on school safety than that. Ban a type of rifle and something else will replace it.

94% of ALL mass shootings are in gun free zones. Of those shootings, only 4-5% are via a long rifle (All rifles to include ar styles)

Why focus on 4% instead of 94%? Because that's what they tell you.

Also, you still haven't differentiated an assault rifle from any other rifle. Please, use Google to help and you'll see how wrong that term really is.

Fresh, Your point about your father's 30-06 really is something I didn't know. So despite that it is a good rebuttal to what I was saying, I appreciate your response and the information.

Now, to add to this discussion, there is some recent evidence about the marketing of the AR-15 style guns and that it is designed to appeal to the young men that don't understand logical consequences well. For example, the adds about "getting your man card" next to a pic of an AR-15 type gun is clearly romanticizing a serious weapon. So in view of this, and your response, what should we do? Maybe the focus should be on the mag and controlling the high capacity round mags? I am sickened by the assaults with high casualty numbers. Have to do something that makes sense. Agree?

 

[jah4550]

No logic is lost on Republicans.

Pure BS by someone that lives in a black and white world with no shades of gray.

 

[outhereincali]

Pure BS by someone that lives in a black and white world with no shades of gray.

I live in the real world. Did you ever have the need to use it in public? If so did you feel justified? What would you think if the courts didn't agree with you?

Live in a neighborhood with good people.

Make better friends.

To kill a man is to kill a man.

You wouldn't give it a second thought? Really?

Why is it so necessary for you guys to have so many guns? What is the satisfaction for you?

Look I'm really trying to have a discussion without insults

 

[LonghornMM]

I live in the real world. Did you ever have the need to use it in public? If so did you feel justified? What would you think if the courts didn't agree with you?

Live in a neighborhood with good people.

Make better friends.

To kill a man is to kill a man.

You wouldn't give it a second thought? Really?

Why is it so necessary for you guys to have so many guns? What is the satisfaction for you?

Look I'm really trying to have a discussion without insults

Cali, I don't think any normal, sane person wants to see people die at the hands of a shooter. The misperception that a lot of people have is that we have a gun problem in this country. We don't have a gun problem. The guns don't go off by themselves. Guns have been around for almost 200 years. Why here of recent are "guns the problem"? That's the wrong focus. We have serious mental health issues with human beings today. They choose to pull the trigger and make the gun go off.

 

[clob94]

Fresh, Your point about your father's 30-06 really is something I didn't know. So despite that it is a good rebuttal to what I was saying, I appreciate your response and the information.

Now, to add to this discussion, there is some recent evidence about the marketing of the AR-15 style guns and that it is designed to appeal to the young men that don't understand logical consequences well. For example, the adds about "getting your man card" next to a pic of an AR-15 type gun is clearly romanticizing a serious weapon. So in view of this, and your response, what should we do? Maybe the focus should be on the mag and controlling the high capacity round mags? I am sickened by the assaults with high casualty numbers. Have to do something that makes sense. Agree?

I've not heard about this "man card" marketing that you speak of. I was taught that you had to earn your man card-- man cards just weren't for sale like a box of condoms.
Perhaps you're equating it with the 50 year old nerd who finally hits it big in life and goes and buys a corvette to compensate for his nerdiness and small penis.

There's no "one" thing you can do to stop this.

Why?

Because no one thing is causing it. The weapon is just the tool they choose you use. If it weren't an AR, it would be an AK. If not an AK, it would be a Ruger. If not a Ruger it would be a Benelli shotgun. If not a shotgun it would be a tec9. If not a tec9 it would be a pipe bomb.

These kids are lacking something in their lives that's causing this.

My theory?

They spend their ENTIRE day staring at a device that TELLS them that if they aren't famous, or known or influencial or have thousands of followers--- then they have no worth.

So how do they get people to pay attention to them and get the attention they yearn for?

They choose to become infamous.

 

[Belldozer1]

Cali, I don't think any normal, sane person wants to see people die at the hands of a shooter. The misperception that a lot of people have is that we have a gun problem in this country. We don't have a gun problem. The guns don't go off by themselves. Guns have been around for almost 200 years. Why here of recent are "guns the problem"? That's the wrong focus. We have serious mental health issues with human beings today. They choose to pull the trigger and make the gun go off.

Yes

 

[Belldozer1]

I've not heard about this "man card" marketing that you speak of. I was taught that you had to earn your man card-- man cards just weren't for sale like a box of condoms.
Perhaps you're equating it with the 50 year old nerd who finally hits it big in life and goes and buys a corvette to compensate for his nerdiness and small penis.

There's no "one" thing you can do to stop this.

Why?

Because no one thing is causing it. The weapon is just the tool they choose you use. If UT weren't an AR, it would be an AK. If not an AK, it would be a Ruger. If not a Ruger it would be a Benelli shotgun. If not a shotgun it would be a tec9. If not a tec9 it would be a pipe bomb.

These kids are lacking something in their lives that's causing this.

My theory?

They spend their ENTIRE day staring at a device that TELLS them that if they aren't famous, or known or influencial or have thousands of followers--- then they have no worth.

So how do they get people to pay attention to them and get the attention they yearn for?

They choose to become infamous.

Yes

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

I've not heard about this "man card" marketing that you speak of. I was taught that you had to earn your man card-- man cards just weren't for sale like a box of condoms.
Perhaps you're equating it with the 50 year old nerd who finally hits it big in life and goes and buys a corvette to compensate for his nerdiness and small penis.

There's no "one" thing you can do to stop this.

Why?

Because no one thing is causing it. The weapon is just the tool they choose you use. If it weren't an AR, it would be an AK. If not an AK, it would be a Ruger. If not a Ruger it would be a Benelli shotgun. If not a shotgun it would be a tec9. If not a tec9 it would be a pipe bomb.

These kids are lacking something in their lives that's causing this.

My theory?

They spend their ENTIRE day staring at a device that TELLS them that if they aren't famous, or known or influencial or have thousands of followers--- then they have no worth.

So how do they get people to pay attention to them and get the attention they yearn for?

They choose to become infamous.

Disturbed. They were born that way.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

Fresh, Your point about your father's 30-06 really is something I didn't know. So despite that it is a good rebuttal to what I was saying, I appreciate your response and the information.

Now, to add to this discussion, there is some recent evidence about the marketing of the AR-15 style guns and that it is designed to appeal to the young men that don't understand logical consequences well. For example, the adds about "getting your man card" next to a pic of an AR-15 type gun is clearly romanticizing a serious weapon. So in view of this, and your response, what should we do? Maybe the focus should be on the mag and controlling the high capacity round mags? I am sickened by the assaults with high casualty numbers. Have to do something that makes sense. Agree?

I absolutely do agree with you that something has to be done that makes sense. The thing is, banning a popular gun because of its appearance doesn't make sense to me.

There's simply too many lies being fed to people that have the best intentions but don't have experience/knowledge of the other side.

I do not have a definitive answer to stopping future murderers, wish I did. One thing that is fairly common is that they did not grow up like me at all. I have always been around guns.

Had pellet guns before my earliest memories. Got my 1st .22lr for my 5th birthday & a .22 hornet for 7th I believe. Rifles were on wall mounts, unlocked cabinet, & back rack of dad's truck which later became my truck. The guns stayed even when I began driving to school.

Guns were never "sexy" to me, probably because they were as much a part of my life as blue jeans. That's not typically the case with these murderers. We have a people problem, not a rifle problem but we're not allowed to place blame where it belongs.

I don't have the answer but I do know 100% the current politicized ones won't make the slightest difference. Unfortunately, it will take many more shootings after these gun bans are in place before we might come together for real solutions.

 

[Oldmanastro]

Disturbed. They were born that way.

I disagree. Yes, there might be some bad wiring in there, but I think they become a product of their environment. Nurture vs nature. Ever watch Trading Places?

 

[TX1972]

I've been struck by the school shootings always being at public schools. Does anyone know of one at a private school?

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

I've been struck by the school shootings always being at public schools. Does anyone know of one at a private school?

Not that I am aware of. Probably because at private schools, Sister Mary is still allowed to beat the evil outta their asses when they act up.

 

[hillcountryhorn63697005]

I disagree. Yes, there might be some bad wiring in there, but I think they become a product of their environment. Nurture vs nature. Ever watch Trading Places?

With the social media world, tv/movies, internet, cell phone, etc, it's a tough world to handle for kids that have no positive support structure from good parents, role models or friends. You teachers and coaches, here, continue and add on to being a positive, bright spot for those students in the back of the line. You may be their only sunshine of the day.

 

[jah4550]

I've not heard about this "man card" marketing that you speak of. I was taught that you had to earn your man card-- man cards just weren't for sale like a box of condoms.
Perhaps you're equating it with the 50 year old nerd who finally hits it big in life and goes and buys a corvette to compensate for his nerdiness and small penis.

There's no "one" thing you can do to stop this.

Why?

Because no one thing is causing it. The weapon is just the tool they choose you use. If it weren't an AR, it would be an AK. If not an AK, it would be a Ruger. If not a Ruger it would be a Benelli shotgun. If not a shotgun it would be a tec9. If not a tec9 it would be a pipe bomb.

These kids are lacking something in their lives that's causing this.

My theory?

They spend their ENTIRE day staring at a device that TELLS them that if they aren't famous, or known or influencial or have thousands of followers--- then they have no worth.

So how do they get people to pay attention to them and get the attention they yearn for?

They choose to become infamous.

Go search "man card ar-15" and you will find at least on copy of an add I referenced. I tried to past a pic of it but was unable to do so.

 

[ArielC]

The only thing that stops bad people with guns is good people with guns.

Only if the good guys don't run off to safety when they are shot at.The cops needed some better and more effective training.The law officers had a plan according to the records but like Mike Tyson said,"everybody has a plan until you bust them in the mouth ,then the plan goes out the wjndow.This I believe is what happened,the stategy was to rush at the gunman from the hall and overwhelm him in the classroom but they didn't count on being shot at and they ran to save their asses because they didn't expect that and they should have been trained to

 

[GetHooked]

Only if the good guys don't run off to safety when they are shot at.The cops needed some better and more effective training.The law officers had a plan according to the records but like Mike Tyson said,"everybody has a plan until you bust them in the mouth ,then the plan goes out the wjndow.This I believe is what happened,the stategy was to rush at the gunman from the hall and overwhelm him in the classroom but they didn't count on being shot at and they ran to save their asses because they didn't expect that and they should have been trained to

My theory holds up. The one border patrol agent that wasn't part of the Uvalde police dept. (a good guy) walked into the classroom and ended the situation by killing (the bad guy).

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Only if the good guys don't run off to safety when they are shot at.The cops needed some better and more effective training.The law officers had a plan according to the records but like Mike Tyson said,"everybody has a plan until you bust them in the mouth ,then the plan goes out the wjndow.This I believe is what happened,the stategy was to rush at the gunman from the hall and overwhelm him in the classroom but they didn't count on being shot at and they ran to save their asses because they didn't expect that and they should have been trained to

I've mentioned it before that Uvalde is a sparse populated, complacent, sleepy little town. Regardless, there re is no excuse for a chicken shit police force to cower when there are children lives at stake. Every law enforcement officer, every single one on that scene is a chicken shit motherfvcker imo and each one should relinquish their peace officers license.

 

[TX1972]

Only if the good guys don't run off to safety when they are shot at.The cops needed some better and more effective training.The law officers had a plan according to the records but like Mike Tyson said,"everybody has a plan until you bust them in the mouth ,then the plan goes out the wjndow.This I believe is what happened,the stategy was to rush at the gunman from the hall and overwhelm him in the classroom but they didn't count on being shot at and they ran to save their asses because they didn't expect that and they should have been trained to

In other words, cowards.

 

[Belldozer1]

My theory holds up. The one border patrol agent that wasn't part of the Uvalde police dept. (a good guy) walked into the classroom and ended the situation by killing (the bad guy).

I want to know the employment status of the officer more concerned with using hand sanitizer than doing his job in that hallway

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

I want to know the employment status of the officer more concerned with using hand sanitizer than doing his job in that hallway

There were a hundred dumbasses planted inside /outside that school. Not a one had any intention of trying to save them kids. Including that incompetent chief.

 

[clob94]

I want to know the employment status of the officer more concerned with using hand sanitizer than doing his job in that hallway

I can tell you definitively that the BORTAC agent that is credited with being the shooter requested to be TDY'd for training for an indefinite amount of time.

The rest of the police force-- I couldn't say.

 

[DHHorn]

I can tell you definitively that the BORTAC agent that is credited with being the shooter requested to be TDY'd for training for an indefinite amount of time.

The rest of the police force-- I couldn't say.

What is TDY'd?

 

[clob94]

What is TDY'd?

Temporary duty travel. Basically it means you get sent somewhere that you're not based out of for a period of time so you can train, or do some schooling, or even be a stop gap for other people's issues. You can be TDY'd for a week or a month or sometimes a year. All depends.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

What is TDY'd?

Temporary duty station. For training/schooling.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Colion Noir is a national treasure.

 

[RLong68]

DPS Top Dog unloaded on Uvalde ISD Police Chief’s failures. Now, let’s see if anyone gets fired.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-chief-fired-heated-school-board-meeting.html

DPS “top dog” is starting to feel a lot of now heat. It’s sad that that the state’s top LE agency not only was part of the massive failure but apparently has gone out of its way to control the narrative in its favor.

DPS officer fired