Kirby smart is rapidly becoming the most overrated coach in the country. Let’s remember. justin Fields could of been the starting QB at UGA. Smart didn’t pick him
Venables to OU
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Don't forget he got rid of Schmitty the strength and conditioning coach because he was too "rough" on the players and replaced him with another soft Tech retard crony Bennie Wylie. Riley basically tried to recreate OU into Texas Tech North. Good riddance soft SJW Riley
All valid points. And for the record, I was not glad to see LR go.
However, this is OU that we're talking about. A blue blood. College Football Royalty. The brand of OU made LR successful as much as LR made OU successful. You can believe that sir.
Venables is going to bring a "defense first" mentality to the program, and that's they way teams compete in the SEC. I think he'll be a good fit for that conference.
I won't say anything beyond that, because what Venables trajectory at OU will be is pure conjecture. But at OU, he has a platform/resources/fanbase/tradition that should allow him to be successful immediately.
P.S. LR benefited miraculously from QB transfers, resulting in his teams being led by Mayfield, Murray and Hurts in consecutive years. The first year (this year) he didn't have a pre-packaged all star at QB, his offense took a step back. I was one of the OU fans counseling patience while C. Williams grew into the QB position, and we rebuilt our O-line, but the fact is, LR has yet to truly develop a HS QB prospect to success.
So maybe he kills it at USC, but maybe he fades into oblivion out there on the west coast where all his games will be on at 1 AM EST. The next USC coach to to fail to resurrect a program that is moving into Nebraska territory in terms of being a has-been.
Lincoln Riley was given the keys to the Porsche and made it better. Benefitted from the xfr portal? He found them and molded them Herman and Strong as would have failed. By comparison we've sucked at the transfer portal.
Their defense was improving but Brent Venables will take it to the next level.
USC is not sinking into NB territory not even close.
Look at all the commits who have now decommitted to USC.
Finally we longhorns have got to stop criticizing the other teams be it coaching changes or opposing player's.
Their defense was improving but Brent Venables will take it to the next level.
USC is not sinking into NB territory not even close.
Look at all the commits who have now decommitted to USC.
Finally we longhorns have got to stop criticizing the other teams be it coaching changes or opposing player's.
I’m not sure what SEC you have been watching but great offenses have been what’s winning that conference lately.
Well when you’re recruiting better than a Baylor, OSU, Kansas, ISU, Tulane and their defense is better and more physical than yours I’d say coaching has a hell of a lot to do with it wouldn’t you Champ? Venebles bringing his championship style defense to OU will not be good for our opponents going forward. There will be marked improvement from day 1 and don’t forget BV is a heck of a recruiter.
All I'm going to say OU hiring assistants to be head coach has worked out in Stoops and Riley. I mean would could hire head coaches from other colleges like Texas does but please tell me how that has worked out for you since Brown left?
At one time, Gary Gibbs and John Blake were also considered elite recruiters and defensive geniuses. We just have to see how it plays out. Every coaching hire comes with risk. However, with the transfer portal programs now have an opportunity to turn around their fortunes much more quickly.
How many defensive coordinators has OU been through the last 10 years? Grinch had championship pedigree coming from Ohio State and how did that work out? The one constant for the past 10 years has been the players, not the coaches. Hiring a coach doesn't magically fix your issues. With that logic Texas should have had the best offense in the country this year since Sark is such a great offensive coach and came from a championship team the year prior.
Grinch was tainted from working for Leach. Venables has been The Man at Clemson for 10 years, nobody holding his hand and he is regarded as the best DC in the country with results to back that up. You can say what you want about Sark etc but mark my word OU’s defense will look a lot different next year, much improved tackling etc. Btw I never said Sark was a bad coach, imo Texas was real close to having a much better record than y’all do. Are you saying Sark is a bad hire?
I'm willing to give Sark a couple of years honestly. I didn't think Sark was a bad hire I just didn't consider it a home run hire. The offense was actually pretty good at times just really inconsistent. I was just giving an example of a guy who is arguably one of the best offensive minds in football and a great coordinator but just not a good head coach (so far at least).
Venables is a great defensive coordinator but whether he succeeds as a head coach is TBD. Being the head coach requires a lot more responsibilities and some guys just aren't cut out for it.
Venables just stated he’ll be implementing a powerful, suffocating defense.
Time will tell on Venables. I'm not convinced that he's the best hire that OU could have made. There were better options out there that they should have explored, IMO. My point is Venables has been an assistant for 20 years with no head coaching experience. I would question why no one has hired him as a HC before now. To me, this seems like a feel good hire for OU in that he was previously an assistant at OU under Stoops. I could see Stoops persuading OU to hire him. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd rate the hire a 6.5. OU fans are giddy about the hire, but I think that they're going to be in for a big disappointment.
There's no guarantee that Venables will take OU back to being an elite program, but he's an excellent recruiter and tireless worker. His players love him and play hard for him. He'll surround himself with an excellent staff and we'll see what happens in the years to come. I never heard Lincoln Riley get a response like this on the rare occasions he talked about complementary football:
He’s turned down HC jobs. He turned down Auburn last year. Here’s his reasoning he gave:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...urn-job-during-oklahoma-press-conference/amp/
Well it's official. I consider myself an amateur college fb historian. Mostly I've studied the blue bloods none more than OK after all they are the longhorns biggest enemy.
Anyway I've studied their history and their greatest coaches were assistant's when they were hired. Bud Wilkinson, Chuck Fairbanks, Barry Switzer, were hired from within and Stoops was at FL. And that's how I'm considering Brent Venables. Also Joe Castiglione has hit home runs on his fb coach hires and he's been there for almost 25 years. Time will tell if Venables is a success. But even though they're the enemy I'm not going to write Venables off how many of us are hoping he fails because we want him to? And yes I'm raising my hand.
* I don't know if it's been posted already but it's official Mario Christobal is going to Miami.
Anyway I've studied their history and their greatest coaches were assistant's when they were hired. Bud Wilkinson, Chuck Fairbanks, Barry Switzer, were hired from within and Stoops was at FL. And that's how I'm considering Brent Venables. Also Joe Castiglione has hit home runs on his fb coach hires and he's been there for almost 25 years. Time will tell if Venables is a success. But even though they're the enemy I'm not going to write Venables off how many of us are hoping he fails because we want him to? And yes I'm raising my hand.
* I don't know if it's been posted already but it's official Mario Christobal is going to Miami.
MM who was a better hire for OU? Aranda? Fickell? Can see some argument there. But right now OU needs more help on D than offense, although they retained most of the offensive assistants, so I am fine with this. Will find out in a year or two.
Yes, IMO Aranda, Fickell, Kelly or Campbell would have been better hires than Venables.
You don't have to be Vince Lombardi to know that Venables is a better dc then Alex Grinch. I be will give props to Grinch for his 2nd half adjustments in the TX game. The last 2 defensive classes were good. The best player from the last class may turn out to be Clayton Smith a dl out of Texarkana.
And starting this year recruiting has changed forever. By that I mean a lot of OK commits have decommitted and others have entered the transfer portal. But a guy like Brent Venables coming from a program like Clemson I'm sure a lot of their top recruits will decommit to Oklahoma. OK has a commit from a 5* dl from FL. Can Venables keep him?
Why are folks down on Venables?...God knows we dont know a damned thing about hiring football coaches. OU has a much better track record there.
Disagree about the last two but Campbell a close call. Kelly is not a great offensive coach. Will take Venables and Lebby.
Let’s not forget Booby Stops was a coordinator before coming to OU. I wouldn’t want Bobby running OU’s offense but Stoops career turned out pretty good. Venables is a much more accomplished DC than Booby was. Venables is a great recruiter. I think Venables has a more personable personality than Stoops. I think Venables will be fine and he seemed to relish the idea of being the coach to lead OU into the SEC. That suffocating D is going to be nasty
Bell....over the years we have agreed on a lot of things....but it saddens me to have to agree with you on this one.
Bell is drinking the Venables kool aid, lol. The reality is, OU is going to take a step back from Riley, he just doesn't realize it yet.
In 2011 when OU brought back Mike Stoops after his failed HC stint at AZ, OU fans were ecstatic. Because their defense had slipped tremendously in the 6 years since Mike left and was being run by Venables. When Mike ran the defense from 1998 to 2004, they were like a top 10 unit every year. As soon as he left and BV was promoted to play calling DC, their defenses regressed tremendously. BV was demoted. Bob didn’t think he was an effective play calling DC. So he hired back his brother to call plays.
In hindsight, they like BV better now given the abject failure that Mike Stoops was in his second tenure at OU as play calling DC from 2011 to 2017. But in 2011 when Bob Stoops made the move, they were very happy with the demotion of Venables (who they named Vulnerables).
OU's scoring defense was ranked an average of 6th in the country from 2001 to 2004 with Stoops being the play calling DC.
It went up to 31st in the country from 2005 to 2011 when BV took over. In 2011 when BV was demoted and Stoops was reinstated as play calling DC. It was then when BV decided to leave. He left because he was being told in a nice way “look somewhere else”. Sooner fans were very happy Mike was back and weren’t sad to see BV go.
So OU just hired the guy Bob stripped of playing calling duties and demoted to Co-DC in favor of his brother Mark. Careful what you wish for. Let's see how this works out.
In 2011 when OU brought back Mike Stoops after his failed HC stint at AZ, OU fans were ecstatic. Because their defense had slipped tremendously in the 6 years since Mike left and was being run by Venables. When Mike ran the defense from 1998 to 2004, they were like a top 10 unit every year. As soon as he left and BV was promoted to play calling DC, their defenses regressed tremendously. BV was demoted. Bob didn’t think he was an effective play calling DC. So he hired back his brother to call plays.
In hindsight, they like BV better now given the abject failure that Mike Stoops was in his second tenure at OU as play calling DC from 2011 to 2017. But in 2011 when Bob Stoops made the move, they were very happy with the demotion of Venables (who they named Vulnerables).
OU's scoring defense was ranked an average of 6th in the country from 2001 to 2004 with Stoops being the play calling DC.
It went up to 31st in the country from 2005 to 2011 when BV took over. In 2011 when BV was demoted and Stoops was reinstated as play calling DC. It was then when BV decided to leave. He left because he was being told in a nice way “look somewhere else”. Sooner fans were very happy Mike was back and weren’t sad to see BV go.
So OU just hired the guy Bob stripped of playing calling duties and demoted to Co-DC in favor of his brother Mark. Careful what you wish for. Let's see how this works out.
You’re kind of leaving out a very important detail or 2: Venables won 2 Championships at Clemson and is considered the best DC in cfb. I think our defense will be much improved In His first year. If Lebby’s on board I expect a big year from OU next year
I'll give him credit for what he did at Clemson. However, in fairness they had a ton of talent in a very weak ACC conference. Lebby was a good hire. I just don't think that Venables is top shelf like you're making him out to be. He's ok.
Check your stats MM. Mike Stoops left after the 2003 season. Then Venables took over. Very good Ds for 6 years running; some top 10. Some slippage but nothing like the downhill run after Mike Stoops took over in 2012. Will see what Venables can do real soon.
That’s something a ton of people are forgetting. Clemson had some really good defenses no doubt, but the ACC was a very weak conference. I think it’s 50/50 whether he has success.
Just looking at the depth chart it looks like OU’s defense loses 6 starters and possibly 7 if Bonitto decides to go pro. Probably going to have a down year next year if I was guessing.
Hey all I can say is you may be right about the ACC but when it was time to face Bama that defense got after it and didn’t look like some team without a clue on how to play defense like we’ve seen for 5 years straight for the most part under Riley.
Point being that Venables wasn't exactly killing at OU as the Co-DC or play calling DC, and OU fans weren't sad to see him leave.
I’ll be honest I wasn’t exactly thrilled with Venables before he left. That USC game was tough to stomach, the WVU debacle, Boise St.
Didn’t Bonnito announce today that he would be skipping the bowl game to prepare for the nfl draft?
Venables is gonna be great. Won’t hit any snags or trouble. Greatest hire ever. OU fans always loved him. Riley was terrible. Held OU back. OU about to win eleventy nattys!!!
I always wondered if Stoops had a falling out with Venables over the Baylor game 10 years ago. Baylor had never beaten OK and never even close to winning. It was late in the season and OK was poised to play in the title game. But that was the night RG3 won the Heisman. He completed only 22 passes but he threw for almost 500 yards and 4 tds including the game winner with a few seconds left. He had another couple long td passes called back by penalty it could have been worse. At the end of the season Venables was fired. I always wondered if that game caused him to get fired. But it worked out well for Venables.
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