Best current coaches are not from the South?

[dtrain87]

Harbaugh, Saban, Stoops, Meyer-Michigan and 3 Ohio guys
Peterson, Shaw, Mendenhahl, Patterson, Snyder, Herman, Dantonio, both Kellys, Petrino, Miles

Southerners Sweeney, Briles, Paul Johnson, Jimbo Fisher (WV is the south?) and who? Yanks and westerners seem to be far better college coaches
This is not all time greats, but current HCs

 

[dj701919]

Yet where do they go to get their players.

 

[dtrain87]

Yet where do they go to get their players.

It just seems strange that the football crazed south doesn't crank out the great HCs, like basically, OHIO!!! That state seems to ooze football coaches. Many of the all time great and innovators, like Brown, Gillman, Nugent are all from there, as well as Hayes. all hail from the Buckeye state.

 

[dj701919]

I think you are forgeting about guys like: Bowden, Johnson, Bryant, Broyles, Royal, Yeoman, Stallings, Holtz.

 

[Cotton #12]

Depends on the time period,Paul "BEAR "Bryant won several National Championships and was from Arkansas,I might add DKR,Frank Broyles,Jimmy Johnson,Bobby Bowden all winning National Championships were southern so I cannot buy in on your northern selection only to state good coaches can come from the South,forgot Briles as Texas kid.

 

[dtrain87]

I am talking about CURRENT HCs!!! Holtz is from OHIO!!! Oklahoma is the south? Notice I didn't list any of the no longer coaching or deceased guys?

 

[clob94]

Tom Landry. Mission, Texas.

 

[dj701919]

Lou Holtz and Nick Saban are both from WV, which is in the south. Not that it matters.

 

[dtrain87]

Broke with Virginia over secession?

 

[dj701919]

I'm not sure, but pull up any map of the Southern United States and it includes WV.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

What's the point of this thread? Seems like trolling to me.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/2016-college-football-coaches-rankings. The top 20

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Broke with Virginia over secession?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States#/media/File:Us_south_census.png

 

[freeper]

The South is not defined by those states who seceded in 1860-1861. Most social scientists and historians agree that it is a cultural region that does include West Virginia and Oklahoma. If secession is the only parameter used to define the South, then you would have to exclude Kentucky and Missouri, both of which are considered "Southern" at least in part in the case of Missouri.

 

[freeper]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/2016-college-football-coaches-rankings. The top 20

Wow...and our coach didn't even make honorable mention in a preseason list. I wonder where he would rank now....

 

[clob94]

The South is not defined by those states who seceded in 1860-1861. Most social scientists and historians agree that it is a cultural region that does include West Virginia and Oklahoma. If secession is the only parameter used to define the South, then you would have to exclude Kentucky and Missouri, both of which are considered "Southern" at least in part in the case of Missouri.

Fuzzy on my history but is that where "bloody kansas" or bleeding Kansas came from?

 

[JohnsBrother]

Just for the sake of curiosity, I took a look at the coaches currently in this week's AP top 25. Not that it represents the "best" coaches in the business, but it did align somewhat closely with the USA today article. These numbers simply indicate where the head coaches were born, not necessarily where they grew up or how they were influenced.

10 - Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio, Wisconsin (N. Central / N. East)
8- Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Texas, West Virginia (South)
7 - California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana (West)

Ohio was represented by four coaches on the list and West Virginia by three. Alabama, California, Idaho, Illinois, and Montana each accounted for two coaches. Interesting that Florida, Georgia, and Louisiana were not represented here. Nor was Arizona.

 

[dj701919]

Just for the sake of curiosity, I took at look at the National Champions for the last 40 years and 28 of them were schools from the South.

 

[JohnsBrother]

Just for the sake of curiosity, I took at look at the National Champions for the last 40 years and 28 of them were schools from the South.

I see what you did there...

 

[freeper]

Fuzzy on my history but is that where "bloody kansas" or bleeding Kansas came from?

Bleeding or Bloody Kansas comes from the mini-civil war that broke out in the Kansas Territory in 1854 and pretty much continued through the Civil War. Most of the action was between 1854 and 1857 though and the fight was over whether Kansas would be admitted to the Union as a free or a slave state. As far as that goes, there were many Southern sympathizers in Kansas at the time, most of them from Missouri. Culturally we consider Kansas to be far more "midwestern" than "southern" although there are some parts of Kansas, especially along the Oklahoma border and the SE Corner along the Missouri line that might be consider culturally "Southern".