Big 12 Fall Camp Thread

[dj701919]

Guys

Bell has always been consistent in his belief that Riley wasn't a good HC.

Riley reminds me of Meyer about 15 years ago. Stoops is similar to Saban et al in that he was good when he could out athlete you. Riley will out scheme you and mudhole you if he has comparable talent

His opinion is in no way biased.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

55-10 and 3 playoff appearances. No, I guess not. Venables is much more accomplished.

Have we forgotten that Riley is the offspring of the pirate. Riley's a good offensive mind of course but in my opinion he just happened to the right place at the right time. He rode Bob's wave and saw it run out. Well that and the move to the sec was a no brainer for him to move to the pac. Personally, I wish him no ill will it's just the way he left that says alot about his integrity as a man. While it's yet to be seen what Brent can do as the HC, gotta admit his credentials while at OU and Clemson thereafter look very promising. I want a defense and Brent gives me a warm fuzzy feeling we'll be shown one. 👍

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Yep...big time head coaching victories! He's been incredible...oh wait

More trophies than the anointed one.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

The pac 12 is a joke conference, if Riley can replicate what he did in the Big 12 the pac 12 is locked up.

Why he ran brother. Imo.

 

[dj701919]

More trophies than the anointed one.

Brent Venables trophy case.

 

[Belldozer1]

Guys

Bell has always been consistent in his belief that Riley wasn't a good HC.


His opinion is in no way biased.

Gee after a while you start to realize that your OC of a head coach can only take you so far, I know that’s hard to comprehend, I guess? My comment about Riley and Meyer I was about offense since they both were calling their plays Who said Riley couldn’t win games? The question became what games could he win. Pretty easy answer, conference games. As a Texas fan you see things different. You’ve had some not so great seasons. Would any of you want Mack Brown back? I have a feeling most of you would say no right now. Why is that? Because you have a pretty good idea how far Mack would take you. I think the OU admin sees it the way the fans see it too. They we’re paying Riley a lot of money but I don’t think anyone was comfortable with Riley’s no defense policy heading into the SEC.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Brent Venables trophy case.

Don't be a clown.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Brent Venables trophy case.

His case has more glass than Mack's. Don't do this. Mack was yer last good coach. 😉

 

[Belldozer1]

They would have never played for Riley? Belldozer they had 2 dl get drafted one in the second round. Never works have played for Riley? Belldozer last year Caleb Williams was not OK top recruit a dl or of Texarkana named Clayton Williams was.

It was an unusual year for recruiting in Texarkana. They had 4 elite dl and lbs. Two of them went to OK and none of those 4 kids even considered TX. Thanks a lot Herman.

Venables is going to appreciate those players he's inherited.

I've never said it before but I've figured out awhile back why you hate Lincoln Riley. He's considered liberal on some issues. You've ranted about how he's woke. 😂

And now he's a terrible coach? They were one play away in the OSU game from going to the Big XII title game.

I really shouldn't take the time to respond to your drivel but what the heck, I figure I might educate you a little regarding OU football. Now last year in Riley's 5th year as a HC of OU he assured everyone that he had all of his ducks in a row. 2021 was going to be THE YEAR, his words. He had probably started to sense disgruntlment among the fans and admin about not really being to get over the hump outside of conference games. So, with great expectations by all due to Riley's comments, let's take a look at how OU's murderer's row of a schedule turned out:

1. Tulane Win 40-35 What a nail biter. What was Tulane ranked?
2. Western Carolina Win 76-0 Riley wow
3. Nebraska Win 23-16 another squeeker down to the wire. BY now OU fans are well aware this season isn't going anywhere beyond winning conference games and Riley starts to hear about it and pouts.
4. West Virginia Win 16-13 Another miracle from Riley pulled out. The boos from the crowd start directed at Riley and his offense. They don't even bother booing the defense anymore. Winning is hard Riley says LOL. This schedule is brutal!!!!
5. Kansas State Win 37-31 Yep you guessed it, another nail biter to the end Chucklz
6. Texas Win 55-48 I'll actually give Riley some credit here but our no tackling got us in a hole from the get go. And of course Riley's Rattler experiment came to an end.
7. TCU Win 52-31 Good and expected win. TCU is bad
8. Kansas Win 35-23 This score is totally misleading. Kansas shut Riley down all game and stuffed Riley's offense on a critical 4th and 1 but was bailed out by C. Williams literally taking the ball from our rb before his knee hit the ground and advanced it for a 1st down. You cannot overemphasize the amount of disfunction in Riley's offense at this point in the season. What was Kansas ranked? LOL
9. Texas Tech Win 52-21 over an abysmal Tech
10. Baylor Loss 27-14 A loss to a good defense, imagine that. Aranda totally shut Riley's offense down again. A truly embarrassing loss highlighted by Riley crying when Aranda ran up the score at the end.
11. Iowa State Win 28-21 We win another squeeker by a touchdown. Another close on by Campbell who has Riley's number by playing decent defense. Seems to be a common theme here?
12. Ok. St. Loss 37-33 Riley decides get choked out yet again by a team with half a defense. So much for this being the year again Riley. Good riddance

Look how many games we won by a touchdown or less last year. And the majority of those came down to the wire against crap teams. Riley was just as close to going 5-7 last year as we were finishing 10-2. In Riley's 5th year the writing was on the wall and OU was regressing. OU fans do not miss Riley.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

I really shouldn't take the time to respond to your drivel but what the heck, I figure I might educate you a little regarding OU football. Now last year in Riley's 5th year as a HC of OU he assured everyone that he had all of his ducks in a row. 2021 was going to be THE YEAR, his words. He had probably started to sense disgruntlment among the fans and admin about not really being to get over the hump outside of conference games. So, with great expectations by all due to Riley's comments, let's take a look at how OU's murderer's row of a schedule turned out:

1. Tulane Win 40-35 What a nail biter. What was Tulane ranked?
2. Western Carolina Win 76-0 Riley wow
3. Nebraska Win 23-16 another squeeker down to the wire. BY now OU fans are well aware this season isn't going anywhere beyond winning conference games and Riley starts to hear about it and pouts.
4. West Virginia Win 16-13 Another miracle from Riley pulled out. The boos from the crowd start directed at Riley and his offense. They don't even bother booing the defense anymore. Winning is hard Riley says LOL. This schedule is brutal!!!!
5. Kansas State Win 37-31 Yep you guessed it, another nail biter to the end Chucklz
6. Texas Win 55-48 I'll actually give Riley some credit here but our no tackling got us in a hole from the get go. And of course Riley's Rattler experiment came to an end.
7. TCU Win 52-31 Good and expected win. TCU is bad
8. Kansas Win 35-23 This score is totally misleading. Kansas shut Riley down all game and stuffed Riley's offense on a critical 4th and 1 but was bailed out by C. Williams literally taking the ball from our rb before his knee hit the ground and advanced it for a 1st down. You cannot overemphasize the amount of disfunction in Riley's offense at this point in the season. What was Kansas ranked? LOL
9. Texas Tech Win 52-21 over an abysmal Tech
10. Baylor Loss 27-14 A loss to a good defense, imagine that. Aranda totally shut Riley's offense down again. A truly embarrassing loss highlighted by Riley crying when Aranda ran up the score at the end.
11. Iowa State Win 28-21 We win another squeeker by a touchdown. Another close on by Campbell who has Riley's number by playing decent defense. Seems to be a common theme here?
12. Ok. St. Loss 37-33 Riley decides get choked out yet again by a team with half a defense. So much for this being the year again Riley. Good riddance

Look how many games we won by a touchdown or less last year. And the majority of those came down to the wire against crap teams. Riley was just as close to going 5-7 last year as we were finishing 10-2. In Riley's 5th year the writing was on the wall and OU was regressing. OU fans do not miss Riley.

Arguing with a clown? Good luck. 👍

 

[Belldozer1]

Roll my 👀 😔

Riley is a great offensive mind I can't deny that. The Pac XII is a joke no there's no reason he can't pick up where he dropped off this year.

I'm not a OK/Lincoln Riley shill but with the exception of Dave Arranda nobody could figure out his offense.

OK may not have had an elite defense but they were improving under Alex Grinch. I hate to say it but he made some great adjustments in the second half in the TX game.

Venables has never head coached a game.

Well except teams with a decent to good defense. Georgia totally shut Riley down in the 2nd half of that game. Bama was up 28-0 before letting off the gas, Clemson and Venables killed Riley in the bowl game when he was the OC at OU, LSU and Aranda absolutely embarrassed Riley's offense, Matt Campbell controlled Riley pretty easily, so really anyone with a decent to good defense caused Riley problems. Kansas?

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Well except teams with a decent to good defense. Georgia totally shut Riley down in the 2nd half of that game. Bama was up 28-0 before letting off the gas, Clemson and Venables killed Riley in the bowl game when he was the OC at OU, LSU and Aranda absolutely embarrassed Riley's offense, Matt Campbell controlled Riley pretty easily, so really anyone with a decent to good defense caused Riley problems. Kansas?

Folks are lost with their supposed intelligence. Incredible.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Folks are lost with their supposed intelligence. Incredible.

Yeah, especially folks that think somebody hired for a job he’s never done is already proven. 😂

 

[Metcalf #2]

His case has more glass than Mack's. Don't do this. Mack was yer last good coach. 😉

So you’re saying Sark is a great HC, right. Because he has more assistant coach hardware than your nutbag burnt vegetables.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Yeah, especially folks that think somebody hired for a job he’s never done is already proven. 😂

👍 good luck.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

So you’re saying Sark is a great HC, right. Because he has more assistant coach hardware than your nutbag burnt vegetables.

Venebles has glass. Sark no. Hello? Hello? Hello? Cmon man.

 

[Phialpha31]

It’s a gamble hiring a coordinator as a head coach. Venables could end up being a damn good coach. But we don’t know that for sure until we see the product on the field. Assuming he’s going to succeed just because Stoops and Riley did is being a little bit naive.

He could just as easily be Gary Gibbs or John Blake.

Those are 2 coaches who were HC’s during the only period since 1947 that OU was down for more than a consecutive season or two. OU has truly only missed on 3 hires since 1947…Gomer Jones, Schnellenberger and Blake. You could include Gibbs, though while not up to OU’s standards, he still went 44-23 and did so with a program in upheaval and under sanctions put in place after Switzer was let go. Jim MacKenzie died near the end of his first season so it’s tough to gage the success or failure of that hire.

So out of 75 seasons, 6 (12 if you include Gibbs) have been coached by bad coaching hires. The others:

- Bud Wilkinson (17 seasons - .826 win %)
- Chuck Fairbanks (6 seasons - .728 win %)
- Barry Switzer (16 seasons - .837 win %)
- Bob Stoops (18 seasons + 1 game - .798)
- Lincoln Riley (5 seasons - .846 win %)

All of the coaches since Bud Wilkinson we’re promoted or outside hired assistants, except for Schnellenberger who was a “proven head coach” and arguably the worst hire in OU history. The last two times a coach left the program for another job when it was in good condition, the replacements were: Bud Wilkinson and Barry Switzer.

Based on OU’s hiring history, it would seem just as naive to assume that hiring one of the most successful defensive coordinators over the last 2+ decades will end up more like the worst coaches in OU history than the successful HC’s who spent 62-68 of the last 75 years coaching there.

Obviously need to see the product on the field but he’s already recruiting better than Riley ever did and will almost undoubtedly have a better defense in his first season than any of Riley’s (just teaching them how not to be out of position constantly and massively overhauling the strength and conditioning program should deliver that). If Lebby can replicate his performances at Ole Miss and UCF with the talent at OU, they will have a more complete team than any of Riley’s. No sane OU fan wanted to fire Riley but things were were trending slightly more down hill every season after he took over and the fanbase was extremely concerned about his ability to make the changes necessary to compete in the SEC. So far, Venables is already delivering on that on the recruiting front and time will tell if he does the same with player development and success on the field…though the odds favor success.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

3 coaches who were HC’s during the only period since 1947 that OU was down for more than a consecutive season or two. OU has truly only missed on 3 hires since 1947…Gomer Jones, Schnellenberger and Blake. You could include Gibbs, though while not up to OU’s standards, he still went 44-23 and did so under sanctions put in place after Switzer was let go. Jim MacKenzie died near the end of his first season so it’s tough to gage the success or failure of that hire.

So out of 74 seasons, 6 (12 if you include Gibbs) have been coached by bad coaching hires. The others:

- Bud Wilkinson (17 seasons - .826 win %)
- Chuck Fairbanks (6 seasons - .728 win %)
- Barry Switzer (16 seasons - .837 win %)
- Bob Stoops (18 seasons + 1 game - .798)
- Lincoln Riley (5 seasons - .846 win %)

All of the coaches since Bud Wilkinson we’re promoted or outside hired assistants, except for Schnellenberger who was a “proven head coach” and arguably the worst hire in OU history.

Based on OU’s hiring history, it would seem just as naive to assume that hiring one of the most successful defensive coordinators over the last 2+ decades will end up more like the worst coaches in OU history than the successful HC’s who spent 65 of the last 74 years coaching there.

Obviously need to see the product on the field but he’s already recruiting better than Riley ever did and will almost undoubtedly have a better defense in his first season than any of Riley’s (just teaching them how not to be out of position constantly and massively overhauling the strength and conditioning program should deliver that). If Lebby can replicate his performances at Ole Miss and UCF with the talent at OU, they will have a more complete team than any of Riley’s. No sane OU fan wanted to fire Riley but things were were trending slightly more down hill every season after he took over and the fanbase was extremely concerned about his ability to make the changes necessary to compete in the SEC. So far, Venables is already delivering on that on the recruiting front and time will tell if he does the same with player development and success on the field…though the odds favor success.

Brother where've you been?. You've already lost the simpletons. 😁

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Brother where've you been?. You've already lost the simpletons. 😁

it's quiet time brother. 👍

 

[Phialpha31]

Yeah, especially folks that think somebody hired for a job he’s never done is already proven. 😂

So which is better/worse…taking a shot on a guy who is a massively successful defensive coordinator with ties to the program but has no HC experience OR hiring someone who is a great offensive coordinator with a lackluster at best record as an HC ?

Honest question: What makes you all think Sark is going to be more successful than Venables?

Because I don't know a single OU fan who would’ve been happy with that hire based on his history as an HC (prior to his hiring at UT). If he took that HC history into OU and went 5-7 (with a loss to a freaking historically bad Kansas team at home) with the talent Texas had, I would have absolutely no confidence in his ability going forward…but especially would not have enough confidence to act like he was a better hire than Venables with literally nothing but mediocrity as an HC to point to.

It sounds like I’m trying to be an a** but I’m honestly not. I’ve just read this board as well as inside the 40 acres and am completely flabbergasted and dumbfounded as to where all the confidence in Sark being a better HC than Venables is coming from. I’d understand it if he’d gone 10-2 in his first year, maybe even 8-4 with some tough losses but after a 5-7 season when he’s only won 8 or more twice in his eight seasons as an HC (the best only being 9-4)??? I just don’t get it.

I actually do hope Sark succeeds at Texa (but obviously not toooo much success lol). I always hate to see someone go out like he did because of an addiction issue and I’d like to see him be success story for rising out of addiction after having several family members and friends affected by it. But man, I just don’t know if he’s the answer at Texas.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

So which is better/worse…taking a shot on a guy who is a massively successful defensive coordinator with ties to the program but no HC experience OR hiring someone who is a great offensive coordinator with a has a lackluster at best record as an HC and went 5-7 (with a home loss to Kansas) in his first season?

Honest question: What makes you all think Sark is going to be more successful than Venables? Because I don't know a single OU fan who would’ve been happy with that hire based on his history as an HC (prior to his hiring at UT). If he took that HC history into OU and went 5-7 with the talent there, I would have absolutely no confidence in his ability going forward…but especially would not have enough confidence to act like he was a better hire than Venables with literally nothing but failure as an HC to point to.

Can't no one here answer this. You done burnt this board down.

 

[westx]

Can't no one here answer this. You done burnt this board down.

I'll answer. That is some damn good hiring. But, nobody is arguing ou's exemplary record and hiring in the past whatever years. All I read is Riley being dismissed after proving himself while Venables is prematurely being praised. Translation, imo, is that some Texas fans are telling ou fans to tap the brakes at the Riley gone celebration.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

I'll answer. That is some damn good hiring. But, nobody is arguing ou's exemplary record and hiring in the past whatever years. All I read is Riley being dismissed after proving himself while Venables is prematurely being praised. Translation, imo, is that some Texas fans are telling ou fans to tap the brakes at the Riley gone celebration.

Riley was not dismissed brother, Brent shoulda never been let go.

 

[Phialpha31]

I'll answer. That is some damn good hiring. But, nobody is arguing ou's exemplary record and hiring in the past whatever years. All I read is Riley being dismissed after proving himself while Venables is prematurely being praised. Translation, imo, is that some Texas fans are telling ou fans to tap the brakes at the Riley gone celebration.

Thats a fair take. Though the post i was responding to was arguing that he is just as likely to fail like the worst hires when those have been few and short lived.

I do think the ceiling of Riley’s success had been reached and it was starting to show which is what was making the fanbase concerned with SEC move approaching. Venables, his staff and the admin team he hired seem to be better equipped to prepare the team to make that move than Riley was going to be. I guess time will tell what Riley’s ceiling really is though I think he will struggle more at USC than people think, at least initially.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Venebles has glass. Sark no. Hello? Hello? Hello? Cmon man.

Sark has titles from USC and Bama, coached several Heisman winners, and a Broyles trophy. Wake up.

 

[LonghornMM]

OU fans, take your sh*t over to your boomer sooner board. The nonsense that you trolls keep pushing is old. Some of you have forgotten where you're posting. Tick tock...

 

[Phialpha31]

Sark has titles from USC and Bama, coached several Heisman winners, and a Broyles trophy. Wake up.

Which of those was he an HC for?

Venables has 3 national championships, multiple conference championship, a ton of defensive all-Americans and a bunch of guys drafted from his defenses.

 

[Phialpha31]

OU fans, take your sh*t over to your boomer sooner board. The nonsense that you trolls keep pushing is old. Some of you have forgotten where you're posting. Tick tock...

I believe the thread is entitled

“Big 12 Fall Camp Thread”​

is it not?

 

[LonghornMM]

Brother where've you been?. You've already lost the simpletons. 😁

You didn't just call every poster here "simpletons" did you?

 

[Metcalf #2]

So which is better/worse…taking a shot on a guy who is a massively successful defensive coordinator with ties to the program but has no HC experience OR hiring someone who is a great offensive coordinator with a lackluster at best record as an HC ?

Honest question: What makes you all think Sark is going to be more successful than Venables?

Because I don't know a single OU fan who would’ve been happy with that hire based on his history as an HC (prior to his hiring at UT). If he took that HC history into OU and went 5-7 (with a loss to a freaking historically bad Kansas team at home) with the talent Texas had, I would have absolutely no confidence in his ability going forward…but especially would not have enough confidence to act like he was a better hire than Venables with literally nothing but mediocrity as an HC to point to.

It sounds like I’m trying to be an a** but I’m honestly not. I’ve just read this board as well as inside the 40 acres and am completely flabbergasted and dumbfounded as to where all the confidence in Sark being a better HC than Venables is coming from. I’d understand it if he’d gone 10-2 in his first year, maybe even 8-4 with some tough losses but after a 5-7 season when he’s only won 8 or more twice in his eight seasons as an HC (the best only being 9-4)??? I just don’t get it.

I actually do hope Sark succeeds at Texa (but obviously not toooo much success lol). I always hate to see someone go out like he did because of an addiction issue and I’d like to see him be success story for rising out of addiction after having several family members and friends affected by it. But man, I just don’t know if he’s the answer at Texas.

Why would you diminish Sark HC record? Do you even know it? He took over a ZERO win program at UW, and built that program literally from the ground up. Zero wins to 9 wins in 5 years. Sorry bud, but that right there is a legendary coaching job. Just imagine trying to build something out of a team that couldn’t win a single freaking game.

Also, no head coach in USC history has one more games in their first season than Sark. Not bad. That’s what you call a head coaching resume, something burnt vegetables doesn’t have at all.

 

[LonghornMM]

So which is better/worse…taking a shot on a guy who is a massively successful defensive coordinator with ties to the program but has no HC experience OR hiring someone who is a great offensive coordinator with a lackluster at best record as an HC ?

Honest question: What makes you all think Sark is going to be more successful than Venables?

Because I don't know a single OU fan who would’ve been happy with that hire based on his history as an HC (prior to his hiring at UT). If he took that HC history into OU and went 5-7 (with a loss to a freaking historically bad Kansas team at home) with the talent Texas had, I would have absolutely no confidence in his ability going forward…but especially would not have enough confidence to act like he was a better hire than Venables with literally nothing but mediocrity as an HC to point to.

It sounds like I’m trying to be an a** but I’m honestly not. I’ve just read this board as well as inside the 40 acres and am completely flabbergasted and dumbfounded as to where all the confidence in Sark being a better HC than Venables is coming from. I’d understand it if he’d gone 10-2 in his first year, maybe even 8-4 with some tough losses but after a 5-7 season when he’s only won 8 or more twice in his eight seasons as an HC (the best only being 9-4)??? I just don’t get it.

I actually do hope Sark succeeds at Texa (but obviously not toooo much success lol). I always hate to see someone go out like he did because of an addiction issue and I’d like to see him be success story for rising out of addiction after having several family members and friends affected by it. But man, I just don’t know if he’s the answer at Texas.

You obviously haven't spent the time to read the board. No one here is making comparisons between Sark and Venables and who is the better coach. A couple of delusional Sooner posters here keep making claims that Coach V is a slam dunk, can't miss, playoff winning and NC winning coach and that Riley was a "failure" at OU.

Imagine if a Texas poster went on an OU board and ran their mouth like some of the OU posters here are doing. How would that play out? I'm thinking that it wouldn't be well received and they would probably get run in short order. I'm pretty tolerant, but my patience with the OU sh*t talkers here has about reached its limit.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Which of those was he an HC for?

Venables has 3 national championships, multiple conference championship, a ton of defensive all-Americans and a bunch of guys drafted from his defenses.

Are you drunk? 😂 😂

 

[Phialpha31]

Are you drunk? 😂 😂

Sorry…what championships has he won as an HC?

 

[LonghornMM]

Sorry…what championships has he won as an HC?

The same number that your boy V has won. Nada. Sit down and shut up.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Sorry…what championships has he won as an HC?

You don’t even realize what you just did, do you? You just asked how many of those titles Sark won as a head coach, then proceeded to list the accomplishments of somebody who’s never even been a head coach. Lol. Put the bottle down. You’re making a fool of yourself.