Big 12 Fall Camp Thread
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That’s a fair take. Some posters In the 40 acres have made those comparisons though I supposed others here have not.
I think BV was a great hire and don’t think Riley was a good long term answer in the SEC but in no way do I think BV is a slam dunk. There are very few of those not named Nick Saban or maybe Dabo. Firing Riley would’ve been insane and a massive risk but being forced to make the change could be a blessing in disguise (or may result in another coaching search in 3-5 years).
That said dismissing him as not being qualified because he’s a coordinator is just a bit laughable given OU’s track record with coordinator hires at times when the program hasn’t been a sanction ridden dumpster fire.
Yes…I obviously meant as a coordinator since those were the credentials you gave for Sark. Figured that would be pretty obvious since I mentioned his defense at least twice.
LOL, fair enough. That isn’t changing for either of them this year so I guess we’ll have to settle for seeing which side of the cotton bowl is sitting down and shutting up in a month or so.
No, since those are the only credentials burnt has. That’s all you can bring up. I only brought up Sark’s coordinator history because you gooners keep trumpeting burnt’s. Get it?
Now, admittedly I may be exaggerating his failure, but only in response to you proclaiming him the next King, based on his zero experience. He could very well work out, but he could also crash and burn. So just tap the breaks.
Great job improving the program but was still pretty mediocre in a mediocre conference after 5 years at Washington. Figured they could’ve finished better than 3rd in their division or had more than one 8 win season during that time frame. SC was 10-4 prior to him taking over so he at least maintained there until he got let go. I’d argue that what Mark Stoops has done at Kentucky or what Matt rhule/Aranda did at Baylor is more impressive than anything Sark has done in his HC career so far.
I don’t think Sark is a bad coach…but with that track record and all the issues he’s had, he just wouldn’t have been my choice for OU (or Texas if I were an alum or fan) unless he had success as an HC at another stop after the time he spent back as an assistant. I just don’t like the idea of hiring a guy at a blue blood program who was fired from his last HC gig and who only has two seasons over 8 wins. Would rather hire a more proven head coach or a coordinator who looks ready to take the next step. After growing up watching Mack Brown and Stoops battle it out, I just hold Texas to a higher standard than Steve Sarkisian at this point in his career.
When did I proclaim him the next king? I just think he will likely be better than Riley and is more likely to be successful at OU than not.
Utah has the best team in the Pac XII this year with a real chance of making the playoffs. They play SC in Oct I believe.
OR has the second best team in the Pac XII. They also hired a highly regarded dc from GA the best d in the country last year.
And their new coach Dan Lanning signed the nation's #1 ol Josh Connely. It's inevitable that OR will be in the Pac XII soon.
I mean not in 2 but certainly by the 5th year. Matt rhule took a 1-11 team with massive NCAA issues and won the big 12 two seasons later. Aranda won the big 12 the season after only winning 2 games. Kansas won a BCS bowl in Mangino’s 5th season.
What Sark did at Washington was pretty similar to what Mike Leach did at Washington St but Leach had an 11-2 season.
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Those were great jobs, too. Doesn’t diminish what Sark did. I don’t think you’re appreciating how historically bad a winless season is. Or, you do, but you refuse to admit it, because it doesn’t help your case. I mean, even those terrible Baylor teams knew what it was like to win a game.
Wrong. It took Leach 7 years to get that season, and he took over a 4-8 program. Pretty bad, but a damn sight better than 0-12. Try again.
I thought this was Venables 1st HC job. Can someone tell me where he won all these trophies?
Venables was a very good D coordinator. He is going to suffer from the extremely high expectations of Sooner fans. He doesn't have the defensive talent he had at Clemp and Lebby is working with far less talent at the qb position than Riley had. It is very probable that ou fans get impatient with the SEC makeover. Texas fans know this story all too well. We have lowered our expectations considerably and are now in it for the long haul with Sark and co.. 7-5 is a successful season with such a young team. Anything above that is gravy. The arrow is pointing up at Texas. I can't say the same thing for OU because of the expectations. Y'all will burn it down at 9-3.
Anybody should know that history always repeats itself. All major programs go through ups and downs through the years. History would say OU is due for a little bit of a downfall.
See my above post...BV, IMO, is somewhere between McWilliams and Stoops. I don't think he'll be a disaster, but I'm not thinking he is a Bob Stoops either.
Good thing is, over the next 4-5 years we will find out.
Son of a motherless goat, I go get a little shut eye last night and wake up to this? I think we can all agree Riley was Big 12 good nothing more and move on. As mentioned above Riley won’t be dominating the PAC 12 due to his issue with teams that play physical defense. Moving to the Big 10 can’t seem like much fun either for him, I figure if he gets a HC gig before then he may take it.
No one will burn it down at 9-3 but that likely is the floor (barring key injuries) based on the personnel coming back this season. He doesn’t have 4 classes worth of the defensive talent he did at Clemson but still has a decent amount of talent on the team and so far has shown that he can recruit on the same level or better than he did there….the Clemson level talent is coming.
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I've got no idea. So here's my story:
When I first joined this board back in the Jurassic Era, I would have rather watched yachting than soccer. However, upon my return to the Lone Star State 4 years ago, it slowly dawned on me that soccer had gained considerable traction among sports enthusiasts here. Still I tried to hold out. I was amused by the exchanges on this board between the believers such as yourself, and the non-believer heathen like our humble board admin.
Anyways, this deficiency on my part was easy to cover at first. I could talk football with my students, both male and female and we all spoke a common language. Over time though, as I attended school games, it was becoming more and more difficult to excuse my absence from soccer games. In many classes I noted students excitedly discussing Premier League or Bundesliga games and I had no frame of reference. Most of my students I noted, were fans of Man U.
So anyways, I decided to lend my support and attend a soccer game, which led to students begging me to attend more. I did, then they started asking me about what teams I liked and besides Chiva, which my mother had rooted for when I was younger, I had no frame of reference. Knowing that my students were Man U fans, I decided on an oppositional approach, did some checking and saw that Chelsea was a rival, so overnight I became a Chelsea fan. It was January-February, a time of desolation in sports viewing. I found myself watching soccer and cricket on TV.....and enjoying Premier League matches. This was short-lived. Russia invaded Ukraine and Chelsea was owned by a Russki. I had to dump them sooooo....
Then I decided to really research Premier League teams. I needed a new squad to root for and there they were. Intimidating name, proud history but not so much that they were a pop-culture phenom. Classic imperial colors and a logo with a freaking cannon. What was not to like? Especially for an unrepentant imperialist and certified Anglophile such as myself? I adopted Arsenal and have been watching them ever since last March and yes, I agonized over their late season collapse. Been driving my Man-U students crazy this year by displaying standings and opppsss....playing highlights on YouTube.
To answer your question though, I have no idea if this is the real deal. I know even less about soccer than I do about football. So far, it looks like Arteta is making all the right moves and the team chemistry is working. Let's see what happens when they hit a rough patch......
Since 1947 OU has only had one true down period that lasted more than a season or two and that was from 1989-1998. History would say OU probably will not haul off and win a national championship next season but will likely be fine.
History also shows that OU is in its longest national championship drought in the modern era so if we’re talking about history repeating itself, it would suggest that OU is due for one.
I would count 1959-1970 would count as a down time to me. The point still stands. Look at all major programs in the last 50-60 years. They have all had their shares of ups and downs. Doesn't mean you guys will but it's something worth noting.
Believe it or not I haven't gotten enough rain since May to even water my grass
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So much chest thumping, yet your head coach makes a lateral move for greener pastures. 😂
Yeah no doubt recruiting is key. By all reports we’ll have 2 true freshmen in the DL rotation this year or at least getting some snaps. R. Mason Thomas and Gracen Halton
I heard he was nervous about what Texas was unleashing this year and decided to get while the getting was good
These blowu fans are sure cocky in one sport that is not a women's sport....
I don't know what they're drinking, but it sure has fried their minds. 🤣
Hey it’s all in good fun. Who doesn’t like bantering from time to time. Really that’s what it’s all about. In the end if I’m wrong I’ll certainly be here admitting I was wrong
False. That’s the inbreeding.
As any of us should when we're wrong. Did you admit that you were wrong on Rattler? It'll be interesting to see how Riley and Venables both do. Your predictions for each are noted.
Hey at least we haven’t had to fire or force out all of our coaches over the last 2+ decades. And we’ll see how greener that pasture is 🤣
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