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Charlie strong not fired yet per Mike Perrin

Let 'em go.

They haven't proved a dam thing on the field.
Let's say the whole team walks out. Then what? Easy to say we will find more to play but in reality we get set back another 5 years.

Scenario 2. Fans/families that support Charlie boycott games= less revenue, more bad press and less chance a great coach wants to deal with the media and fans.

Either way it's gonna get messy. I'd give him another year if we don't have a home run hire already in our pocket.
 
Let's say the whole team walks out. Then what? Easy to say we will find more to play but in reality we get set back another 5 years.

Scenario 2. Fans/families that support Charlie boycott games= less revenue, more bad press and less chance a great coach wants to deal with the media and fans.

Either way it's gonna get messy. I'd give him another year if we don't have a home run hire already in our pocket.
Have you ever seen an entire team leave when a coach was fired? I haven't. Many of these are guys came to Texas to be at Texas not just because of Strong.
 
The focus should probably be on hiring an AD than hiring a football coach. Unless they are actually basing the decision on Friday's game which I can't imagine then you might as well announce.

I didn't mind firing Strong but right now I'd rather keep him, hire an AD and conduct a professional search next year.
You seem to like Strong more than you like Texas. Are you a fan of Texas? Or Strong? I am beginning to wonder what this man can do to make you see he can't do what he was hired to do.......

He just lost to Kansas.........Kansas.......K a n s a s............During his 3rd year......to Kansas. A team Texas was picked to crush. If he loses every game next year and the games are close you would probably want to keep him then to.
 
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Let's say the whole team walks out. Then what? Easy to say we will find more to play but in reality we get set back another 5 years.

Scenario 2. Fans/families that support Charlie boycott games= less revenue, more bad press and less chance a great coach wants to deal with the media and fans.

Either way it's gonna get messy. I'd give him another year if we don't have a home run hire already in our pocket.

I that happens we had a cult and not a team.
 
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Some of the comments really make me scratch my head. Losing is a cancer. If you have a cancer in your body, do you just hope it will turn it self around? You get treatment. Charlie isn't a cancer, but losing is, and if you don't make changes it grows. Sometimes cancer is caused by external influences and to get rid of the cancer and make sure it never comes back you need to make life changes.

I'm sorry Charlie, I really like the man, but he is losing and nothing but a change for both parties is going to fix it. He isn't being thrown out in the cold. If he never works another day, he is set for life. 10 million severance is a hell of a way to go. His players will miss him, but that is life, they need to learn this one lesson, sometimes bad things happen to good people. The vast majority will never play a down of football after college, if they want to screw up their college choice by transferring, again that is their choice.

The University of Texas survived way before they came around, and will survive long after they are gone.
 
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Calling it now. Texas is going to whiff on Herman.

OB:

While the decision to remove Charlie Strong has been made, the execution of it remains to be made, so I thought I would open this week's column with a collection of thoughts on where things stand going into what could be a fascinating Monday on the 40 Acres.

... I'm sure there's a method to the madness of the Texas admin's thinking and I'm going to withhold lobbing too much criticism its way until we see how things unfold this week, but if the plan is to wait until after Friday's game to make an announcement, I'm going to say right now that it's a mistake. By waiting to make an announcement the entire world knows is coming, you're simply going out of your way to create one of the most uncomfortable weeks in the history of the football program. From the Monday press conference to the week of nation-wide discussion to the vibe that will exist in the stadium on Friday, you're just inviting disaster by waiting. Hell, if the Monday press conference is as uncomfortable as it has a chance to be, the Texas football program is going to be a major nationwide talking point for all the wrong reasons.

... Charlie knows. He's a big boy. Let him go with his head held high as possible and without a black cloud hovering all over Senior's Day.

... A high-level source echoed the statement made by Mike Perrin on Sunday night, suggesting that the focus is suddenly just on beating TCU this week after telling me earlier in the day a Sunday night announcement was possible. Translation: Whatever the decisions are, it looks like the UT admin is getting on the same page and attempting some message discipline.

... There was a mini-meltdown on Sunday over the report that Anwar Richardson made about the Tom Herman side of things going into this week and I think a lot of people lost seeing the forest through the trees. Here's how I read the update and how I think everyone should have received it.

a. It's clear the Herman camp is attempting to get Texas to show its cards as quickly as possible and in general we're watching a game of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours first" take place. It wants to send the message that it won't be able to wait around forever so that it actually won't have to sit around and wait forever.

b. What we're really talking about here is a 7-10 day window where things will likely go down and Herman's people want as much info as possible at the front end of the window.

c. Part of the messaging from today probably had to deal with the fact that there simply hasn't been as much communication between the sides for the last 4-5 days.

d. I spoke with one Texas source about this on Sunday night and he indicated that Texas wouldn't have any discussions with Herman's camp until after the TCU game and I personally read that as discussions will pick up at any moment and that source probably didn't want to reveal that. Stay tuned. This is going to get worked out.

e. Herman is going to have options and that leverage is likely going to be flexed. Be prepared for that.

... It's been days since anyone mentioned the ol' red-flag in any kind of worrisome context.

... This is still a Texas admin that would rather not break the bank in hiring a new coach and I think it's going to have to come to grips with the cost of doing business really quickly. It doesn't want to have to pay six million for a coach, let alone more than that, but it has limited leverage at this point, especially with Herman. Until a No. 2 candidate presents itself, this is a little like the recruitment of Sterlin Gilbert in that the school needs to understand that its tap-dancing shoes should be on standby.

... Don't worry about Texas players threatening to transfer. The bottom line with this subject is that good players almost never sit out a year if they don't have to. All of the hurt feelings being expressed will mostly be soothed over in due time. In the meantime, the kids have a right to vent.

... The sooner a decision is announced and a hire is made, the better. Recruiting is in no man's land and the current staff has barely been pushing the buttons in this area for a while now. My expectations are that a hire will be in place by the end of the first week in December. Of course, if the hire isn't Herman, this becomes much trickier.

... Push comes to shove, I think the Longhorns get Tom Herman.

No. 2– Go get Paid, D’Onta ...

With the Longhorns holding a 14-10 lead going into the fourth quarter on Saturday, UT’s Heisman candidate D’Onta Foreman was sitting on 29 carries

Two minutes and 32 seconds later, the Longhorns held a 21-10 lead and Foreman was sitting at 34 carries and it seemed obvious what it looked like for Foreman in the final quarter.

Foreman might finish this game with 50 carries.

— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch)November 19, 2016

That was a tongue-in-cheek comment at the time, as 40 carries appeared to be a mortal lock, but not even I thought he’d carry the ball 21 times in the fourth quarter.

That’s right … 21 carries in a single quarter.

While the game hung in the balance, I have to admit to worrying about Foreman’s health by the time he was in the 45-carry range. That type of workload is so overwhelming that it’s impossible to know what will happen to a young man’s body as it’s happening because you just don’t see running backs carry two games of heavy workloads rolled into one single 60-minutes-and-change block of work. One Orangebloods poster remarked that it was the equivalent of asking a pitcher to throw 200 pitches in a single game.

As extreme as that sounds, yeah … kind of.

Knowing that running backs have short shelf-lives as professionals, I wondered as it was happening if a game like this can have an impact on a player, especially when the player might be asked to carry the ball 30+ times again in six days. Probably not, I think, but I can’t say that I know.

What I do know is that Foreman has left a piece of his athletic soul on the field this season for the Longhorns and when this season ends, it’s time to go get paid for these kinds of physical sacrifices. With stock that can’t possibly increased by coming back for his senior season, the decision is an easy one and if you eliminate the selfishness of wanting to see him play again in a Texas uniform, almost everyone has to agree.

I’m sure Foreman will anguish over the decision, but when push comes to shove, the obvious decision will become obvious and it’s okay.

Go get paid, young man, you’ve earned it.

No. 3 – With a little time for reflection ...

In the modern era of the Texas football program, the Longhorns have never lost to a more wretched outfit than they did on Saturday in Lawrence.

As someone who sat on the 50-yard line for a 50-7 loss to Baylor in 1989, stood on the sidelines for 66-3 in 1997 and viewed way too many blowouts against OU in the 2000s, I feel like I have some perspectives on the worst losses in Texas history. Hell, I have the 1991 Cotton Bowl on VHS if anyone wants to borrow it.

At times it’s impossible to split the hairs on the worst of the worst. For instance, if someone sat in the stands on that frigid New Year’s Day when the Hurricanes humiliated Stan Thomas and the Longhorns and wants to tell me that the experience was worse than the Baylor loss from the year before … fair enough.

Clearly, on some level choosing the worst is a matter of perspective.

What I can tell you is that all of those teams from Baylor in 1989 to Miami in 1991 to UCLA in 1997 to any of those Oklahoma teams that drop-kicked Mack Brown’s Longhorns upside the head all had a bevy of future NFL players on the roster.

Kansas?Yeah, not so much. You’d be hard-pressed to name five teams in the last 25 years that the Longhorns have played that are worse than the 2016 Jayhawks, a team I’m not convinced would win the Texas Class 6A state title.

Frankly, I haven’t completely wrapped myself around the fact that the Longhorns let a team that hadn’t won a game against FBS competition in more than two years end its ugly streak against them, but it’s clear the 2016 Longhorns have a special kind of skill-set for losing games - the kind of skill-set that made the kind of stealing defeat from the jaws of victory that occurred yesterday possible in the first place.

How did we go from the Notre Dame win to this in less than three months?

No. 4– Scattershooting on the Longhorns ...

… I was on the field when Baylor fans stormed the field after beating John Mackovic’s lame-duck Longhorns in 1997 and I thought Saturday reminded me a lot of that game. For starters, the score that day was 23-21. The Longhorns had an all-American running back that day as well, as Ricky Williams rushed for 241 yards and a pair of touchdowns. Also, just like yesterday, the Bears entered that game with a single win under their belt and winless in conference play. More than anything, the obvious frustration from the Texas players as opposing fans embarrassed them by tearing down the goalpost was basically a mirror of that day.

Don’t tell me history doesn’t repeat itself because it basically happened yesterday.

… The crazy thing about that Baylor loss in 1997 is that it represented the third game in five weeks that an opposing team tore down the goalpost after the game. Texas dropped to 3-5 that day that the Baylor fans rushed the field.

… It’s hard to comprehend just how bad Shane Buechele was on Saturday. There have been times when he’s simply lived right with a dropped interception or two throughout the season, but we’ve never seen the youngster flat out fall apart and that’s exactly what happened in Lawrence. Take away that Jacorey Warrick touchdown and we’re talking about 3.6 yards per attempt for the day with three horrible interceptions.

… This team really needed Kirk Johnson this season from a depth standpoint. It’s clear there’s not a backup option the coaching staff trusts.

… Right at the moment it looked like Armanti Foreman had emerged as a true No. 1 receiver for the offense, he has basically been phased out of the offense in the last two weeks.

… Caleb Bluiett had twice as many catches on Saturday as Armanti Foreman and Devin Duvernay.

No. 5 – Buy or sell …

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BUY or SELL: Major Applewhite is back as the OC under Herman?


(Buy) I’ve heard mixed signals on this, but one high-level source told me this week that if there were issues with Applewhite not being able to coach at the school, he wouldn’t have been allowed to finish the 2013 season. The Board of Regents reportedly had this discussion back in 2013 and one person told the issue has been put to bed.

BUY or SELL: If Herman had taken over the job at the end of 2015, Texas is at least a 9 win team this season.

(Buy) Yeah, against this schedule, I'd say so.

BUY or SELL: Top 10 recruiting class if Herman is A) the coach and B) brought in quickly?

(Sell) I’m not sure that’s going to happen in 2016, but I could see a Top 20-level class in 2017 and a top five class in 2018.

BUY or SELL: We will have to go through the Korn-Ferry BS again?

(Sell) When I asked that question to a high-level source this week, the source said, “God, I hope not.”

BUY or SELL: If Sonny Cumbie was hired instead of Sterlin Gilbert, Strong would still have a job?

(Sell) There’s no reason to think that would be the case as far as I’m concerned.

BUY or SELL: Herman assimilates a murderers row staff including Tim Brewster?

(Buy) Word on the street is that Brewster could be in play on a Herman staff.

BUY or SELL: The much discussed red flag is so serious or troublesome that Coach Herman will not be hired?

(Sell) Until I know of a plan B, I’m going to assume plan A’s red-flag isn’t something that can’t be worked out.

BUY or SELL: Given that Mack Brown was not breathing down his neck these last two years, Major Applewhite had the opportunity to prove himself as a quality offensive coordinator and he delivered the goods by any standard.


(Buy) He’d be an asset on a Herman staff in Austin.

BUY or SELL: Charlie Strong is the worst head coach in the Big 12?

(Sell) Kliff Kingsbury. Enough said.

BUY or SELL: If in fact Tom Herman is hired, Jerrod Heard has a legit chance to be starting quarterback game 1 of 2017?

(Buy) I don’t know that I would go so far as to say he would definitely be the starter, but I think they’d have to consider giving him a look there for depth purposes.


I am on a quick layover in Dallas before returning back to Austin, but needs to pass along a quick update on Houston coach Tom Herman to everybody.

- I spoke to a source who is familiar with Herman's situation and was told there still has not been movement from Texas to hire the coach as of Sunday afternoon. As it stands, Herman remains in limbo and is unsure if Texas does want to hire him.

- From what I was told, Herman is under the impression that Texas president Greg Fenves will decide Strong's fate after the season finale against TCU. Obviously, that could change. However, from Herman's camp, he still has no idea what the plan is.

- I have heard Herman has multiple offers on the table from different programs. While Herman would love to coach at Texas, the Longhorns are running out of time. Those other programs are looking for answers right now, and nobody from Texas is willing to point Herman in the right direction.

- It is important to know that new jobs are coming open every week. Considering Texas does not have a Plan B, and the demand for Herman is at an all-time high, something needs to be done pretty soon or the Longhorns will risk missing out on their No. 1 candidate.

My take on the entire conversation is pretty simple.

If Texas cannot get its act together pretty soon, they will miss out on Herman.

From what I can tell, the Longhorns are currently behind the programs that are actively pursuing. Fenves can play the wait-and-see game, but it is a dangerous risk. An experienced athletic director would be able to properly convey the sense of urgency Texas should have right now. Texas can wait until the end of the season to begin discussions with Herman, but history usually rewards those who make bold moves.

The longer Herman remains in limbo, the less likely Texas will be to obtain Houston's head coach. Considering the source close to Herman is not 100 percent convinced Fenves is ready to remove Strong, if Texas is seriously interested, Fenves probably cannot afford to continually waste time. If Texas is arrogant enough to think Herman will magically entertain a last minute offer, I get the impression the Longhorns could get turned down because they are not actively pursuing the coach during a time where other programs have made offers.

If Fenves' is getting pressure from big money donors right now, he definitely is not going to like their reaction if Herman is hired by another school, like Baylor.


Anwar Richardson, Orangebloods Columnist
 
This administration won't make the hire everyone thinks it will be or wants it to be, that's how screwed up things are.


Anwar is a fool if he thinks Herman heads to BU, look for Chad Morris in Waco.
 
I'm with @Scholz on this one. The rank amateurs at Belmont right now coupled with the "alleged" sjw on the BOR may purposely (or accidently) whiff on this one.
Don't believe me? There are higher ups in our admin that have publicly bemoaned athletics (especially football) in the past and don't care that the athletic department turns a profit. They see the University as solely a place for academia. Not to sound like a tin foil hat wearing loon, but when there's chaos in the ranks, that's the best time to strike. If the bubble heads of academia can throw a live hand grenade into the hiring process-- they will.
 
Strong will address his future, and conversations he's had with Perrin, at the 11 a.m. presser.
 
You seem to like Strong more than you like Texas. Are you a fan of Texas? Or Strong? I am beginning to wonder what this man can do to make you see he can't do what he was hired to do.......

He just lost to Kansas.........Kansas.......K a n s a s............During his 3rd year......to Kansas. A team Texas was picked to crush. If he loses every game next year and the games are close you would probably want to keep him then to.
That's actually not true. I'm as big a Texas fan you will find. But the way this is going down is childish. Strong is fired everybody knows it. Allowing him to twist in the wind all week and play games is an insult to a man who doesn't deserve to be treated that way.

My other problem is it appears we're just handing the job to the guy the boosters are in love this week. We should be running a professional coaching search and finding the best guy. If that turns out to be Herrman that's great, but we don't have the leadership at the top to run things in a professional manner.

I'm not against changing football coaches but this isn't the way it should be done.
 
He gone, he knows he gone, Perrin knows he gone, Fenves knows he gone, errrbody simply has to wait a few more days and it doesn't matter if they beat the pants off 5-5 TCU. He gone!
 
I sure hope the authorities have BLH under surveillance up in Dallas. He can't be thrilled with what is playing out here.
 
He gone, he knows he gone, Perrin knows he gone, Fenves knows he gone, errrbody simply has to wait a few more days and it doesn't matter if they beat the pants off 5-5 TCU. He gone!
I hear what your saying but probably the cleanest most professional way to do it would be to announce he won't return but will coach vs TCU. Instead of putting on this show that makes everyone look dumb
 
That's actually not true. I'm as big a Texas fan you will find. But the way this is going down is childish. Strong is fired everybody knows it. Allowing him to twist in the wind all week and play games is an insult to a man who doesn't deserve to be treated that way.

My other problem is it appears we're just handing the job to the guy the boosters are in love this week. We should be running a professional coaching search and finding the best guy. If that turns out to be Herrman that's great, but we don't have the leadership at the top to run things in a professional manner.

I'm not against changing football coaches but this isn't the way it should be done.

I agree it is being done wrong about whether to keep or fire him. I am sure there is more to the next coach being picked than what we say on a message board. Jobs like the Texas job are not just willie nillie handed out. I don't believe that for one second.

Charlie Strong is a good man and I hate that he is not working out....but he is NOT working out. He is not getting it done. Losing to Kansas had NOTHING to do with how Strong is being treated or the talent level at Texas. That loss should not have happened PERIOD.
 
I agree it is being done wrong about whether to keep or fire him. I am sure there is more to the next coach being picked than what we say on a message board. Jobs like the Texas job are not just willie nillie handed out. I don't believe that for one second.

Charlie Strong is a good man and I hate that he is not working out....but he is NOT working out. He is not getting it done. Losing to Kansas had NOTHING to do with how Strong is being treated or the talent level at Texas. That loss should not have happened PERIOD.
I don't disagee with Charlie being fired. I think there are reasons other than just "Charlie sucks"as to why it's not working out but I agree it's not working. Just think the admin and boosters are going about things wrong.
 
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