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My stepson's sister in law came down with it in Houston. She's only 33. She's been sick for 3 weeks and they just now diagnosed her and now she's very sick.
Did she go to the doctor during those 3 weeks? Hopefully they get her on hydroxychloriquine and z-pack, that seems to knock this virus out. We’ll keep her in our prayers.
 

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Rewind several weeks ago----

Clob:

"I doubt this thing came from a dude eating an undercooked bat soup slurry and it just spontaneously showed up..." <------ synopsis.

Also Clob:

"There's a bio-engineering facility just outside of Wuhan. Either this thing was a weapon that was 30% ready and someone kicked it out to see how their creation would perform, or someone accidentally took it out under the wire and didn't know it."

MSM and "rational thinking Americans":

"Don't spread conspiracy theories clob. This thing is naturally occurring."

CNN this morning:

"So um, well----- uhhhh-- there's a possibility that this virus could have maybe spent some time in a lab......... And errr ummm... maybe the chi-coms aren't telling us the truth..."


Clob out.
 

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Rewind several weeks ago----

Clob:

"I doubt this thing came from a dude eating an undercooked bat soup slurry and it just spontaneously showed up..." <------ synopsis.

Also Clob:

"There's a bio-engineering facility just outside of Wuhan. Either this thing was a weapon that was 30% ready and someone kicked it out to see how their creation would perform, or someone accidentally took it out under the wire and didn't know it."

MSM and "rational thinking Americans":

"Don't spread conspiracy theories clob. This thing is naturally occurring."

CNN this morning:

"So um, well----- uhhhh-- there's a possibility that this virus could have maybe spent some time in a lab......... And errr ummm... maybe the chi-coms aren't telling us the truth..."


Clob out.
Simply said, "F*** CHINA!!"
 
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Rewind several weeks ago----

Clob:

"I doubt this thing came from a dude eating an undercooked bat soup slurry and it just spontaneously showed up..." <------ synopsis.

Also Clob:

"There's a bio-engineering facility just outside of Wuhan. Either this thing was a weapon that was 30% ready and someone kicked it out to see how their creation would perform, or someone accidentally took it out under the wire and didn't know it."

MSM and "rational thinking Americans":

"Don't spread conspiracy theories clob. This thing is naturally occurring."

CNN this morning:

"So um, well----- uhhhh-- there's a possibility that this virus could have maybe spent some time in a lab......... And errr ummm... maybe the chi-coms aren't telling us the truth..."


Clob out.
Not so fast my friend. CNN is reporting that the US Intelligence is exploring the possibility that it was a bioweapon as one of may other possibilities it is exploring over how the virus originated. This was accidentally leaked to the public on the same day that the associated press is reporting that officials in China knew this was a possible pandemic level event in January. Could it be that those in the government are releasing this information to the media in order to make China look bad.

There is a good article in Nature about the origin of the virus based on the genome of the virus itself. The evidence suggest it jumped species.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
 

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Not so fast my friend. CNN is reporting that the US Intelligence is exploring the possibility that it was a bioweapon as one of may other possibilities it is exploring over how the virus originated. This was accidentally leaked to the public on the same day that the associated press is reporting that officials in China knew this was a possible pandemic level event in January. Could it be that those in the government are releasing this information to the media in order to make China look bad.

There is a good article in Nature about the origin of the virus based on the genome of the virus itself. The evidence suggest it jumped species.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
I do not disagree. But explain to me why the chi-coms would start buying up PPE equipment weeks before releasing details about the seriousness of the virus to the rest of the world?
Look-- IF they took this virus out of nature-- which is VERY possible-- and played with it in a lab---- and somehow it got out, whether it was being made to be weapon-ized or not, whether they were studying it for medical research reasons or even to simply try and develop a vaccine to it just in case it ever did get it out--- isn't the point.

If they had it in a lab for one hot second and it got out, then it came from a lab and China needs to be held accountable in the harshest of ways. Period. Full stop.
 

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I do not disagree. But explain to me why the chi-coms would start buying up PPE equipment weeks before releasing details about the seriousness of the virus to the rest of the world?
Look-- IF they took this virus out of nature-- which is VERY possible-- and played with it in a lab---- and somehow it got out, whether it was being made to be weapon-ized or not, whether they were studying it for medical research reasons or even to simply try and develop a vaccine to it just in case it ever did get it out--- isn't the point.

If they had it in a lab for one hot second and it got out, then it came from a lab and China needs to be held accountable in the harshest of ways. Period. Full stop.
It didn't come from a lab. Full stop.
 

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this is for you Bell....


Subject: Fw: The difference between a lying ass socialist bastard and a real man wanting to serve his country and help people



On March 23, 2020, Remington Arms Co. CEO Ken D’Arcy wrote a letter to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, offering Remington’s services in the effort to combat the coronavirus pandemic. While Governor Cuomo was declaring Remington a “non-essential” business, causing the Ilion, NY plant to shutter its operations and lay off workers for at least a month, President Trump was refining his executive orders specifically to include the firearms industry as “essential, critical infra-structure.”

No matter. This did not dissuade D’Arcy from wanting to donate, to the state and the nation, the services of the oldest firearms manufacturer in the country. Here are excerpts from D’Arcy’s letter:

“The Remington plant in Ilion now has approximately one million square feet of unused and available manufacturing space. We would be honored to donate our facility to the production of ventilators, surgical masks, hospital beds or any other products mission-critical to the war on corona virus. Ventilators are essential to winning this new kind of war and Remington stands ready to enlist in wartime production. . . Remington products have served in every U.S. military conflict for 200 years. And while the corona virus is a new type of war, we’re not sitting this one out. . . [W]e’re standing by ready, willing and able to support in any way we can. It would be an honor for our company to donate space for the manufacture of mission-critical products, such as the production of ventilators, surgical masks, hospital beds or any other products deemed necessary.”

While Governor Cuomo is all over the media, literally begging for help every day, the letter from Remington has gone unanswered. More alarmingly, nary a peep from the mainstream media about the obvious question. Let me frame it for anyone in the media pool of Cuomo sycophants who might bring themselves to ask it:

“Governor Cuomo, over two weeks ago, Ken D’Arcy, the CEO of Remington, the oldest firearms manufacturer in the country, headquartered in New York, offered to donate a million square feet of their manufacturing space and said, quote: ‘We’re standing ready, willing and able to support in any way we can.’ As of today, sir, you have failed even to respond to Remington, yet you’re continually begging for help while Remington is begging to help. Can you tell us why you have ignored their offer?”

Here we are, 17 days out from D’Arcy’s letter and the media remains silent on this tragic absurdity. It is colluding with Cuomo in his bigotry that “people like that have no place in New York.”

If you had any doubt about the media and its anti-firearms agenda, this example should prove the depth of its antagonism. Fake news isn’t just purposeful misinformation. It is also failing to do the job of holding the powerful to account.

It is criminal to deny help for New Yorkers based on vitriolic, personal sentiment. But like too many rulers, Andrew Cuomo does first what promotes his political future, and last what is right for the people he was elected to serve.





***** NOTE*****
I have no way to verify the authenticity of this letter. I just thought as long as folks were throwing stuff out there, I would chime in...
 
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Virus infect human cells by binding to receptor proteins on the cell membrane. Animal viruses don't infect humans because they can't bind to the receptor proteins. Viruses have been known to mutate through natural selection which causes zoonotic transfer. You cold also cause zoonotic transfer through artificial methods.

Crispr technology is pretty impressive but its limited. You can do do genome editing where you splice in the protein receptor of a human corona into a bat corona virus. It that happened you would have both proteins in the virus and it would be very obvious that some type artificial gene editing was done. Scientist did not find any evidence of that type of gene editing.

Base editing is also a possibility but at this point it is extremely limited. Crispr Cas9 can change C to T and a combination of three Crispr base editors can change an A-T pair to a C-G Pair. That isn't enough to be able to modify a protein. You would have to be able to change G and T to C and A. That technology doesn't exist. So either the Chinese have developed the technology and they are light years ahead of us in the biotech world or the zoonotic transfer happened though natural selection.
 

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It didn't come from a lab. Full stop.
Good article about possible origins from a lab (there are several news stories about this being a possibility):

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-investigating-chinese-lab-covid-19-theory-2020-4

Not to mention there are numerous reports now stating that this is increasingly likely. Again, they are just reports, but to flat out say it didn't happen, is simply not listening to all of the information.

I find it interesting that you are so quick to basically defend and believe China...…….Why not let everything be fully investigated instead of making statements that you have no proof to back up. You have the same information about it not coming from a lab, articles. Those aren't proof of anything, just like my article isn't proof of anything, but it does show everything is being taken as a possibility.
 
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Don't know how it originated but one thing is clear, China knows more than they are letting on.
Oh for certain. And this is why I keep saying that we simply can't rule out the possibility that China had SOME form of knowledge of the virus and it's potential prior to the rest of us. Well, how does one gain such knowledge?


By studying it in a lab. And @speedstrength may be correct--- it may not have been "manufactured" in a lab. But I refuse to rule out the possibility that at some point, the Chinese had that sucker under a microscope and learned more about it than we did.
 
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Can viruses be altered in the lab. 100% yes the can and its not even that hard anymore. Could the Chinese have altered the virus so it would attack human lung cells. 100 % yes but it would have shown up when the genome was sequenced. Was the lab in China performing research on the virus. Possibly. There are labs all over the world that perform research on active viruses. Was this a bio weapon? Probably not. I know its rather macabre but you would want something like Ebola. Kills 50-90% of infected people.
 

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Can viruses be altered in the lab. 100% yes the can and its not even that hard anymore. Could the Chinese have altered the virus so it would attack human lung cells. 100 % yes but it would have shown up when the genome was sequenced. Was the lab in China performing research on the virus. Possibly. There are labs all over the world that perform research on active viruses. Was this a bio weapon? Probably not. I know its rather macabre but you would want something like Ebola. Kills 50-90% of infected people.
Agreed. But Ebola, if I'm not mistaken, dies when exposed to oxygen. So it can't be transferred like a flu or cold virus can.

Every virus has some give and take. Viruses that kill at a high % rate are "usually" harder to spread. Viruses that just get you sick for a few day, like the flu or a cold, are easier to spread by comparison. It's nature's way of balancing things. But can you imagine if some bio-engineers were able to take something like Ebola, and combine it with something like a Covid strain, and then release it into a controlled population-- while simultaneously closing off their borders to eliminate contamination from the outside?

Don't say that weaponologists on both sides haven't had that discussion at a round table discussion. Heck, in 1962, Kennedy allocated 7 million dollars to do a classified study on population control. It was de-classified sometime in the late 90s. Think about that-- population CONTROL. Who can we kill off and why it would be beneficial to do so. And the best means necessary to do so. Google that sh!t.

Folks, don't kid yourselves. We don't live in a world where all 7.8 billion people think everything about this planet is hunky fvcking dory. There are influential people among us, well not among us because they live in ivory towers above the fray-- but there are serious people on this planet that have agendas that you nor I can hardly fathom. "Terrorists", as we in the West label some of them, believe they are fighting for the freedom of their religion or family or land or to avenge their dead brother or father or whatever. But remember, back about 245 years ago, some dudes paddled across the Delaware River in the middle of the night on CHRISTMAS, to slit the throats of an invading army that they deemed "tyrannical". By today's standards, our founding fathers would be called terrorists.

Now I'm in no way advocating terrorism or supporting the actions of anyone in that line of work, but what would you do if it were 1775? I know I'd be a fvcking terrorist.

Now imagine I had that skill set and had an axe to grind and was worth a billion dollars---
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you honestly think I wouldn't try and get back at my perceived enemies if I hated them that much?

The next great war will not be fought on a battlefield. It will be fought economically through asymmetric tactics and plausible deniability actions. Cyberwar is but only a trade craft in a greater strategy. Bioterrorism, economic raiding, energy drowning and hoarding, medical supply and medicine altering-- it's coming my dudes.

Ask yourself this---- what's the coincidence that juuuuust about the time the covid virus was starting into swing that Russia and Saudi Arabia decide to start pissing on each other's boot to drive down oil prices. Cui Bono--- to whom does it benefit? (That's Latin, yo)

There's something afoul in Denmark. If something happens solo, it's an accident. If two solo bad things happen simultaneously, it's a coincidence. If 3 or more things happen around the same time, you're being set up.
 

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clob, on a side note, are you hearing anything about the local bars in NB, the Whale, Scores, Phoenix, Pour Haus, etc., and if they might make it out of this isolation fiasco? Any other thoughts on some of the local independent restaurants there?
 

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Hell you know I know pretty much all of the local bar and restaurant owners. The wealthy ones won't have any problems. The folks that own MacAdoos, la cosecha etc as well as the guy that owns the Faust and the whale and the folks that own most of gruene, are going to be just fine. The guy that owns the river road ice house is pretty much screwed, but he was about to be screwed before this whole thing went down. Dude needs to pay his taxes. Many of the restaurants are serving take out so they are limping along. What's getting their asses kicked right now are people trying to sell their house because they were over leveraged and owned too much house. I'm looking at a place right now out in Rockwall ranch that was listed originally at a million two that's now about to be listed below 800k. And I've got some bad news for the owner--- he will be lucky to get 700 for it. The layoffs are beginning to cull the 150k a year job dudes who bought a half million dollar house and was living paycheck to paycheck. If you're sitting around with some cash in your account and you can afford to grab some real estate, now is the time. When there's blood in the streets, buy property.
 
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Please let me know what you're hearing about the local goings on in NB. I'm still planning on being there Memorial and July 4th weekends.
 

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Nobel Laureate who discovered the virus that causes AIDS claims that the covid-19 could only be created in a lab. Apparently it has AIDS virus DNA grafted into it.....

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/co...coverer-says-could-only-have-been-created-lab

He has some fascinating claims at the end which I find concurrent with GMO seeds. Over time with replication, the virus like seeds mutate to the original state. Meaning this virus will mutate to its original state which is more like the common cold.
 
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….so....new studies show that sunlight "quickly" destroys the Corona virus and that it does not do well in high humidity and heat.....hmmmm…..summer coming....it got pretty hot with high humidity around my house last summer.....also seems like I remember lots of sunlight as well.....

https://news.yahoo.com/sunlight-des...ould-still-last-through-summer-200745675.html
This can't be right. It just can't be. I swear the people on CNN and MSNBC and even the NYT told me, I mea they SWORE to me, they actually said that if I believed this could be true, that I was a complete fvcking idiot--- and now you're telling me that high temperatures and sunlight might actually kill the virus?

But....... But....... But...... It can't be possible. I trusted you CNN. You say your the most trusted name in news!
 
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Best guess? Interagency task Force starting at local levels and then moving up the ranks to include capital security police, marshals, Treasury, DSS, and probably various units inside the military--- including some of @GuaranteedFresh! Old buddies at JSOC. I know those dude get put on all sorts of crazy protection details including augmenting POTUS's guys when he's abroad. Or so I've heard.
 

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Do heat and humidity kill the virus? Not really. Do heat and humidity slow the spread of the virus? Possibly. So why are the measles so contagious? The virus is so light weight that it basically turns into an aerosol and can remain in the air for up to two hours. Other viruses are a bit heavier and travel in larger droplets that don't remain in the air as long. As heat and humidity increase the distance traveled and amount of time droplets remain in the air decreases. Right now it appears as though the COVID 19 doesn't turn into an aerosol but the data isn't conclusive. There is a very good chance that the infection rate will decrease once humidity increases however the question remains as to weather infection rates will increase once those cold fronts start moving through at the end of September.

Edit. In the south where it gets to be 90-100 plus in the summer and surfaces can get much hotter. If someone sneezes and the drops hit a metal handrail the virus won't survive as long and it's less likely to be transferred to another person. However if someone sneezes in an airplane in the summer the temperature and humidity outside won't matter.
 
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Interesting they're spooling up considering this protocol has been in place for ages. It's right there with the whole "Lone Survivor" shtick. The shadow government can be deep and dark my friends, if you look hard enough.

On the bright side, my aquaponics system is kicking a$$, the feeders are overrun with tasty 4 legged critters & I've just about got my solar bank stronger than what gvec provides on poles. Someday I might even take off this tin hat. o_O
 
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Interesting they're spooling up considering this protocol has been in place for ages. It's right there with the whole "Lone Survivor" shtick. The shadow government can be deep and dark my friends, if you look hard enough.

On the bright side, my aquaponics system is kicking a$$, the feeders are overrun with tasty 4 legged critters & I've just about got my solar bank stronger than what gvec provides on poles. Someday I might even take off this tin hat. o_O
Please elaborate on the "Lone Survivor" bit. Inquiring minds want to know.
 
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Interesting they're spooling up considering this protocol has been in place for ages. It's right there with the whole "Lone Survivor" shtick. The shadow government can be deep and dark my friends, if you look hard enough.

On the bright side, my aquaponics system is kicking a$$, the feeders are overrun with tasty 4 legged critters & I've just about got my solar bank stronger than what gvec provides on poles. Someday I might even take off this tin hat. o_O
I'd love for several of us to get together over a few beers in NB one day and chat.
 

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Please elaborate on the "Lone Survivor" bit. Inquiring minds want to know.
I meant to say Designated Survivor instead of the movie title based on Marcus Luttrells book.
My comment just lost all intrigue now but probably makes more sense....or not....whatever.
 
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I'd love for several of us to get together over a few beers in NB one day and chat.
I can have a few beers while fishing & I can have a few beers while bbq-ing, but having a few beers with other guys guys having a few beers in a place that sells many many more beers...... Let's just say I may have been the inspiration for the Hangover movies in my 20s and early 30s. ;)
 

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I can have a few beers while fishing & I can have a few beers while bbq-ing, but having a few beers with other guys guys having a few beers in a place that sells many many more beers...... Let's just say I may have been the inspiration for the Hangover movies in my 20s and early 30s. ;)
Good news is the bar I hang out in pays for your uber ride home. No kidding. Up to 20 bucks. So now your excuses are limited to having no pedia-lite before bed time.
 
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As of now there are over 40,000 casualties and over 759,000 cases in the United States. 9 states that have at least 1000 casualties and there will be more by the end of April. And speaking of April there are now over 36, 000 casualties this month. And it's only the 19th.

That is all.
 

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Good news is the bar I hang out in pays for your uber ride home. No kidding. Up to 20 bucks. So now your excuses are limited to having no pedia-lite before bed time.

Clob…..what he is politely trying to tell you is that he isn't worried about the DWI....he is worried about the assault and attempted murder charges he normally faces from having a "discussion" with fellow bar patrons......Best leave that gun in the holster.....maybe ask him for BBQ
 

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As of now there are over 40,000 casualties and over 759,000 cases in the United States. 9 states that have at least 1000 casualties and there will be more by the end of April. And speaking of April there are now over 36, 000 casualties this month. And it's only the 19th.

That is all.
According to this article from the Washington Post, 759 total deaths as of April 8 for people under 50. But, according to the article, its difficult to track because states such as California do not release information regarding age. Why?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-deaths/

This article from the Wall Street Journal this weekend indicates that the death rate of those infected is less than 1% (including all ages). The drastic action of shutting down the economy was largely based on a 3.4% death rate estimated by the WHO.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-da...irus-isnt-as-deadly-as-we-thought-11587155298
 

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As of now there are over 40,000 casualties and over 759,000 cases in the United States. 9 states that have at least 1000 casualties and there will be more by the end of April. And speaking of April there are now over 36, 000 casualties this month. And it's only the 19th.

That is all.
Go read the articles about the percentage of people that are infected with corona now that they’ve started extensive testing. The majority of folks have no symptoms and now the percentage of deaths vs cases is nosediving. I’d say it’s like a heavy flu we see every year. Carry on with life everyone and stop hiding under the bed. I’ve been at work everyday and have lived to tell about it.
 

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According to this article from the Washington Post, 759 total deaths as of April 8 for people under 50. But, according to the article, its difficult to track because states such as California do not release information regarding age. Why?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-deaths/

This article from the Wall Street Journal this weekend indicates that the death rate of those infected is less than 1% (including all ages). The drastic action of shutting down the economy was largely based on a 3.4% death rate estimated by the WHO.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-da...irus-isnt-as-deadly-as-we-thought-11587155298
I'm sure CA will publish a more detailed account of the people who here who have contacted the coronavirus. And as for the second link since I don't subscribe to the WSJ I can't read it but I've never trusted their editorial page anyway
 

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Go read the articles about the percentage of people that are infected with corona now that they’ve started extensive testing. The majority of folks have no symptoms and now the percentage of deaths vs cases is nosediving. I’d say it’s like a heavy flu we see every year. Carry on with life everyone and stop hiding under the bed. I’ve been at work everyday and have lived to tell about it.
I wouldn't put it past the Governor's office to withhold the numbers.

Therefore I wouldn't put it past GA to cook the numbers.

In TX there has not been enough testing and I'm convinced that GA has no interest in finding out if there are unreported cases or deaths from the coronavirus.

The ones reported are the ones who have gone into the hospital been tested, and passed there.

And as bar as your reply goes. Apparently Heisenberg putting you in your place has not humbled you. It's always about you. I'm in public, I haven't contacted it lets stop it. You deliberately ignore everything else.
 
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I wouldn't put it past the Governor's office to withhold the numbers.

Therefore I wouldn't put it past GA to cook the numbers.

In TX there has not been enough testing and I'm convinced that GA has no interest in finding out if there are unreported cases or deaths from the coronavirus.

The ones reported are the ones who have gone into the hospital been tested, and passed there.

And as bar as your reply goes. Apparently Heisenberg putting you in your place has not humbled you. It's always about you. I'm in public, I haven't contacted it lets stop it. You deliberately ignore everything else.
Could I interest you in some cheese with that whine. The people are rising up and saying enough is enough with the gross overreactions. It’s time to get back to work, only dems and those with guaranteed paychecks are saying otherwise. Toughen up buttercup before I bring my rock saw out to Cali and detach your state from the rest of us.
 
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