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Does Houston have a chance against Golden State?

clob94 said:
Because of Lebron's finals record being as dismal as it is, and because he's chosen to stay in the eastern conference (a conference decidedly less talented than the western) I won't have the proper respect for him until he leaves the east and goes to the west to win a title. He's taken the path of least resistance his entire career. Can he play? Heck ya, he's phenomenal........ but the east.......ugh.
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I disagree. Who should he go to in the west? Houston? Seriously? Any 12 year old playing team sports for the first time should watch game 7 of the HR/GS game. It would be a textbook lesson in watching a team with no heart, no character, and for all intents and purposes choked when it mattered most. 0n their home court no less.

San Antonio? The Spurs are as good an organization as there is in prefessional sports. But for the first time it appears that the Spurs will not be able to keep one of their superstars because Kawhi Leonard is not coming back. The Spurs are going to be in transition for a couple of years.

Anybody else in the west would be a waste of his time.

And how is his performance against Golden State show that he can beat any team in the west? Against a team with the beat w/l record in NBA history? Coming from behind being down 3 games to 1 which had never been done before? Having to win two of them on the road against a team that was 50/3 on the home court?

And his record in NBA finals is because his teams were overmatched. But he should have won against the Mavericks and his attitude in those finals was bush league. Also, this is his 9th NBA finals and his teams were the underdogs in 7 of them. That means he won two of them when his teams were underdogs.

Finally this one conference superiority over the other runs in cycles. The teams the on the rise are eastern teams Boston and Philly.
 
outhereincali said:
Also, this is his 9th NBA finals and his teams were the underdogs in 7 of them. That means he won two of them when his teams were underdogs.

Finally this one conference superiority over the other runs in cycles. The teams the on the rise are eastern teams Boston and Philly.
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How was he an underdog in any of the 4 while with the Heat? If your point is he beats the teams he is supposed to beat, and loses to the ones he is supposed to, then he's no game changer.

On conference superiority running in cycles - the West has been better top to bottom for 20 years. Maybe it will ultimately change, but it hasn't for a loooong time.

If I was Lebron -- go to Philly. He is playing for all time superiority. He's lost 5 going on 6 finals, which gives us Jordan worshippers all the ammo we will ever need. By the time all is said and done, due to longevity, he will have more points, rebounds, assists, all star games etc. The only area he is short is rings. Philly is a young team that will improve, and give him a chance to squeeze out a few more championships as his career winds down.
 
outhereincali said:
I disagree. Who should he go to in the west? Houston? Seriously? Any 12 year old playing team sports for the first time should watch game 7 of the HR/GS game. It would be a textbook lesson in watching a team with no heart, no character, and for all intents and purposes choked when it mattered most. 0n their home court no less.

San Antonio? The Spurs are as good an organization as there is in prefessional sports. But for the first time it appears that the Spurs will not be able to keep one of their superstars because Kawhi Leonard is not coming back. The Spurs are going to be in transition for a couple of years.

Anybody else in the west would be a waste of his time.

And how is his performance against Golden State show that he can beat any team in the west? Against a team with the beat w/l record in NBA history? Coming from behind being down 3 games to 1 which had never been done before? Having to win two of them on the road against a team that was 50/3 on the home court?

And his record in NBA finals is because his teams were overmatched. But he should have won against the Mavericks and his attitude in those finals was bush league. Also, this is his 9th NBA finals and his teams were the underdogs in 7 of them. That means he won two of them when his teams were underdogs.

Finally this one conference superiority over the other runs in cycles. The teams the on the rise are eastern teams Boston and Philly.
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You really think Leonard is leaving san Antonio?
 
clob94 said:
You really think Leonard is leaving san Antonio?
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Yes I do. A family member of KL has gotten involved and now there's a lot of finger pointing and accusations between KL's family, the Spurs organization, and his teammates. It doesn't look good for the Spurs.
 
diadevic said:
How was he an underdog in any of the 4 while with the Heat? If your point is he beats the teams he is supposed to beat, and loses to the ones he is supposed to, then he's no game changer.

On conference superiority running in cycles - the West has been better top to bottom for 20 years. Maybe it will ultimately change, but it hasn't for a loooong time.

If I was Lebron -- go to Philly. He is playing for all time superiority. He's lost 5 going on 6 finals, which gives us Jordan worshippers all the ammo we will ever need. By the time all is said and done, due to longevity, he will have more points, rebounds, assists, all star games etc. The only area he is short is rings. Philly is a young team that will improve, and give him a chance to squeeze out a few more championships as his career winds down.
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The only time Lebron's team was favored was against the Mavs and the following year against the Thunder. And no I don't think it's a case is beating the team's he's not supposed to beat and losing to the team's he should beat. He has lost in finals where his team was overmatched.
 
clob94 said:
You really think Leonard is leaving san Antonio?
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I do hope I'm wrong about Kawhi leaving. I'm from San Antonio and i grew up with the Spurs as far back a their ABA days. When i think about sports I feel a lot of pride that my hometown has something to be proud of. We'll see
 
diadevic said:
How was he an underdog in any of the 4 while with the Heat? If your point is he beats the teams he is supposed to beat, and loses to the ones he is supposed to, then he's no game changer.

On conference superiority running in cycles - the West has been better top to bottom for 20 years. Maybe it will ultimately change, but it hasn't for a loooong time.

If I was Lebron -- go to Philly. He is playing for all time superiority. He's lost 5 going on 6 finals, which gives us Jordan worshippers all the ammo we will ever need. By the time all is said and done, due to longevity, he will have more points, rebounds, assists, all star games etc. The only area he is short is rings. Philly is a young team that will improve, and give him a chance to squeeze out a few more championships as his career winds down.
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Going to Philly would be interesting if he actually goes there. It will be interesting to see what decision he will make right now I doubt if anyone besides wife knows what he wants to do.
 
outhereincali said:
I do hope I'm wrong about Kawhi leaving. I'm from San Antonio and i grew up with the Spurs as far back a their ABA days. When i think about sports I feel a lot of pride that my hometown has something to be proud of. We'll see
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Honestly, do you really feel that a pro sports franchise is something for a city to be proud of?

These days, they're just leeches. "Build us this stadium or we leave!" etc. Besides, there's nothing that the City of San Antonio has really done to make the Spurs great. That's all on Pop, and his players (and GMs) over the years. And the teams that move at the drop of a hat (and maybe move back in a couple of years) show that there's no intrinsic connection between a city and a pro franchise.

Still bummed about losing Luv Ya Blue, I guess... (and not in a good way).

JMO
 
HornsRuleU said:
Honestly, do you really feel that a pro sports franchise is something for a city to be proud of?

These days, they're just leeches. "Build us this stadium or we leave!" etc. Besides, there's nothing that the City of San Antonio has really done to make the Spurs great. That's all on Pop, and his players (and GMs) over the years. And the teams that move at the drop of a hat (and maybe move back in a couple of years) show that there's no intrinsic connection between a city and a pro franchise.

Still bummed about losing Luv Ya Blue, I guess... (and not in a good way).

JMO
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Haven't you noticed that when a team wins a championship there's is a parade to honor the team and hundreds of thousands of people show up. You're an Oilers fan so was I but speaking of Houston you think that there wasn't a huge parade to honor the Astros? After 55 years of mediocrity and in the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey? I guarantee you at least 100,000 people showed up. A team can unite a city when they win.
 
When I think of something I'm proud of, I think of things that I have actually done, or have had a significant hand in, like raising 2 highly successful, respectful, thoughtful, godly teenagers! But I don't say that I'm proud of my efforts during their delivery. Sure, I held my wife's hand and encouraged her, but she did the work. She went through the pain.

We've over-discussed what I meant to be a minor note. Let's get back to the BB.
 
HornsRuleU said:
When I think of something I'm proud of, I think of things that I have actually done, or have had a significant hand in, like raising 2 highly successful, respectful, thoughtful, godly teenagers! But I don't say that I'm proud of my efforts during their delivery. Sure, I held my wife's hand and encouraged her, but she did the work. She went through the pain.

We've over-discussed what I meant to be a minor note. Let's get back to the BB.
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I think you’re over analyzing it. People that follow sports in particular their teams usually are proud of that team. Those pro teams do represent the city even some players. Great example is a server in Paris asked me where I was from. I told him Houston his response was Hakeem the Dream! I think comparing your kids to a team is extreme we all know that they’re two different things. You can have a pride for both.
 
Like I said, we've over-discussed this, but I have to respond to this.

Drew, you're a good guy and I know that by now. I enjoy most of your posts a lot. But I'm disappointed that you thought I was equating my precious, wonderful children to anything. Nor did I equate myself to a city. No, I'm not extreme.

Maybe I'm just more restrictive in what I feel pride for. My alma mater isn't me. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm joyful through the roof when they succeed in any sport, but what Vince Young and crew did wasn't my accomplishment. When they fail, again, that wasn't me. It doesn't reflect upon me, my values, my work ethic, etc.

In fact, for me to take pride in their accomplishments would be equating myself with a team! =)roll
 
HornsRuleU said:
Like I said, we've over-discussed this, but I have to respond to this.

Drew, you're a good guy and I know that by now. I enjoy most of your posts a lot. But I'm disappointed that you thought I was equating my precious, wonderful children to anything. Nor did I equate myself to a city. No, I'm not extreme.

Maybe I'm just more restrictive in what I feel pride for. My alma mater isn't me. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm joyful through the roof when they succeed in any sport, but what Vince Young and crew did wasn't my accomplishment. When they fail, again, that wasn't me. It doesn't reflect upon me, my values, my work ethic, etc.

In fact, for me to take pride in their accomplishments would be equating myself with a team! =)roll
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You're right stepping back from this.

Back to the topic at hand. The LeBrons 1 the Golden State Warriors 4.
 
=)roll
LongfellowDrew said:
You're right stepping back from this.

Back to the topic at hand. The LeBrons 1 the Golden State Warriors 4.
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I think the Cavs roll tonight in Cleveland. They've done some pretty good things in the first two games. They've dominated on the boards especially on the offensive end. They had 25 assists in game 2 which is a huge number for them. But the Cavs have got to start hitting on these wide open looks they're getting. With home crowd cheering them on tonight I think they will

Dyk that all of the Cavs home wins have been in Cleveland=)roll
 
outhereincali said:
=)roll

I think the Cavs roll tonight in Cleveland. They've done some pretty good things in the first two games. They've dominated on the boards especially on the offensive end. They had 25 assists in game 2 which is a huge number for them. But the Cavs have got to start hitting on these wide open looks they're getting. With home crowd cheering them on tonight I think they will

Dyk that all of the Cavs home wins have been in Cleveland=)roll
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They'll win tonight or tomorrow but they lose at least one at home and it's probably going to be a last minute 3 that GS throws up.
 
LongfellowDrew said:
They'll win tonight or tomorrow but they lose at least one at home and it's probably going to be a last minute 3 that GS throws up.
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I’ll be damned if this isn’t a sweep! Like I said the Rockets had a better chance than the Cavs. LeBron needs some help!
 
KayDee delivered large tonight....I hope Stephen A. Smith eats crow tomorrow. Last time I saw him verbally fellating LeBron he was saying that KD just doesn't show up against King James..
 
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It's been overstated a million times but Lebron needs help. But the best way to describe it is team beats individual. The Cavs have had two gm's since he came back to Cleveland. They have made numerous trades trying to give a team to compliment him but nothing seems to work. A few thoughts about some of the players.

Kevin Love nice guy legitimate all star handsome dude super model girlfriend. But he's just not a number two guy for LeBron like D Wade was.

George Hill how many Spurs fans remember that Hill was traded to Indiana so the Spurs could draft Kawhi Leonard. Somewhere in San Antonio RC Buford is watching these Finals and laughing his fool head off

Those three kids that they acquired in mid season. Who knows?

But LeBron is responsible for this team as well. He encouraged the agency that represents him to sign Tristan Thompson and JR Smith to huge contacts and it's obvious the Cavs overpaid for them. They might be able trade Tristan but who would want JR Smith now.

But who knows where LeBron will go. There's not a super team for him to go to. We'll find out soon enough.
 
BringBackRoyal said:
Yep. I’m in a perpetual state of disbelief that there’s a bona fide audience for that turd’s bullsh*t.

And he’s only 50. This torture will likely continue for a long time to come.
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ESPN keeps him around because he gets love from many of the NBA players. They talk to him....
 
BringBackRoyal said:
Yep. I’m in a perpetual state of disbelief that there’s a bona fide audience for that turd’s bullsh*t.

And he’s only 50. This torture will likely continue for a long time to come.
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I don't like talk shows whether it's SS on ESPN or Colin Cowherd on Fox and the others I just don't watch them, and I don't listen to them on the radio. If I did I'd never want to watch sports.
 
outhereincali said:
I don't like talk shows whether it's SS on ESPN or Colin Cowherd on Fox and the others I just don't watch them, and I don't listen to them on the radio. If I did I'd never want to watch sports.
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I can handle jim Rome in small doses. I'm not listening to Rome as much as I am his callers. Some of those dudes are a riot.
 
HornsRuleU said:
Lebron is unstoppable, but clearly the Cavaliers are.

My question is this: If Lebron takes home the MVP trophy, what does he do with it? Melt it down?
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From the Mercury News:

"If James wins, good luck trying to hand over the trophy, Durant said.

'I’m sure LeBron wouldn’t accept (the MVP trophy),' he said. 'I mean, he’s a winner. I don’t look at him as a guy that would be OK with that.'"

If the MVP trophy goes to the most valuable player, clearly that's Bron. But I don't see them trying to do that. It's down to Steph and KD. Klay's done some good stuff, too. But KD and Steph.
 
Just checked the gamecast for chits-N-giggles. Low and behold GS up by 30 in the 4th.
Most everyone knew the WCFs was the unofficial championship series. Cleveland never had a prayer....again. As much as I hated Lebrons miami experiment, hopefully he'll team up with some other superstars to make next years championship series against GS (who else?) worth watching.
It wasn't even close....
 
Well the NBA Finals are over. And the reality of no sports worth watching until fb season has set in. The Belmont Stakes? Only 3 minutes. Baseball? No can do. Wimbledon? Nope. Man it's going to be a long summer til fb season starts again.

The only thing interesting about world cup soccer is watching South American fans freak out when they lose. In a weird sort of way it's entertaining.
 
outhereincali said:
Well the NBA Finals are over. And the reality of no sports worth watching until fb season has set in. The Belmont Stakes? Only 3 minutes. Baseball? No can do. Wimbledon? Nope. Man it's going to be a long summer til fb season starts again.

The only thing interesting about world cup soccer is watching South American fans freak out when they lose. In a weird sort of way it's entertaining.
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In soviet Russia it's not good idea to freak in public place......
 
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