It is actually 80 some percent graduate.
The players do make more money for their schools than cost of attendance.
I get your points though. It is a good argument from both sides.
Fournette and McCaffrey will sit out the bowl.
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I get your points though. It is a good argument from both sides.
No I don't. I was just being sarcastic. I agree with you. Stanford has won conference championships and BCS bowls and generated plenty of revenue in the years before McCaffery wore the uniform. To make him responsible for ticket sales and revenue this year is a bit of a stretch. Just like clearly our fans are showing up to see the name on the front of the jersey not the back.
As coaches and admin salaries continue to explode, and the money keeps rolling in what the athlete gets will look smaller and smaller. I'm not saying it isn't valuable. Just saying it's a drop in the bucket compared to what everyone is making off if them. Think about it. Would a school really give 90 free rides if it wasn't cost effective?
You also are forgetting that every student on campus can apply for the thousands of scholarships they are out there through various sources. Also every other student can workmif they choose the athletes wouldn't have the time even if they wanted to.
O for good sakes dude. Christian McCaffrey a transcendent player? And Andrew Luck wasn't? And he was just five years ahead of McCaffrey. And even though Washington won the Pac XII this year the fact remains that Stanford has the top fb program on the West Coast. They have made a financial commitment to athletics. They have made the same dramatic improvement in facilities as Baylor has. Probably nicer than ours. They have a top ten coach. And Stanford is so rich, maybe even richer that UT which is saying a lot. Their coach is in the Tom Herman level in salary. They're so rich they can pick up the whole tab.
And with David Shaw as their hc another great player on the Andrew Luck level will show up real soon.
Never said Andrew Luck wasn't transcendent player, he definitely was. I was just saying that McCaffrey put together two of the best seasons ever by a individual. Just saying Stanford isn't on prime time TV this year without McCaffrey, which means he has brought that university a ton of money.
Yes I agree that there are other revenue generators for football programs. All of that to say, I don't blame any of these guys for skipping one meaningless game. To me it is very similar to the way the NFL preseason games work
Let's say 4 years at UT is 200k multiplied by 90 scholarship football players is 18 million dollars. That is a drop in the bucket compared to what the university brings in from donations both athletic and academic. We both know a lot of these BMD are donating to academics as well.
Let's put it this way if it wasn't cost effective for UT to offer full ride scholarships to its football players they wouldn't do it. People don't understand what a racket college sports has become because some are just focused on the free education. I'm not saying that isn't valuable, but it's not out of the kindness of their heart the school is doing it because in the end they will benefit.
Not sure anyone is "bashing" them it's just not a team mentality. Even coaches and former players are making comments about it. To say no one cares is ridiculous! The players that are playing in the bowl game care and especially the seniors that won't make it to the NFL. They helped these players get the opportunity to get drafted that individual didn't just do it all by himself. It's a team sport and although I understand there's money that's driving this I still think it is selfish.
Unless the player is recovering from an injury of course.
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You want to empty out the stands and cut television ratings? Convince the people that the games don't matter. Look at NFL Pre-Season games. More empty seats than attendees. The BMD's aren't giving to watch exhibition football. Yes, I have a problem with Coach K getting $4 million from Nike and players getting nothing. But capitalism is not a 4 letter word -- just because the school is making money is not the issue. The issue is these guys putting themselves ahead of their teammates and their school. Thank goodness that Fournette and McCaffrey aren't Marines. We might be speaking German and watching soccer.
exactly the people trying to make money. Has nothing to do for the players. 15k people going to these meaningless bowl games. you can find more at a Texas high school playoff game.I would say CBS and the people who actually attend the Sun Bowl probably care
No. Him suiting up and giving 100% for his team would.
Him supporting his team and being there for them just like they were for him would be great. Guess we're all raised a little different.
Now you really don't know what you're talking mr new poster. Bowl like the Sun Bowl are always sold out. It's the sporting event of the year in El Paso. While it's never had a premium attraction the people in El Paso always fill it up.
And to top it off SL is not that good. He's been one of the bad guys on that team.
If it's 80% than I stand corrected. But lets be honest. So many of those majors are mickey mouse, degrees that won't get you far in the real world. I was looking at a Baylor web site a few days ago and they were listing the players on their team who had recently graduated. You wouldn't believe how ridiculous they were. And if were going to be honest our school is guilty like the others. And often they're majors that are reserved for athletes.
I appreciate your ability to disagree without being sarcastic.
Doesn't take away from the fact that these bowls are watered down mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.
He has nothing else to prove as a student athlete. The kids are there for free gifts and to have a good time. I guarantee you his teammates don't think any less of him as a teammate. But go ahead and cry about the good ol days and win one for the gipper all you like.
1. I'm not old enough to remember the "gipper" .
2. No one said he had anything to prove.
3. No one is crying.
4. It's just not a team oriented decision.
5. You have no idea how all his team members feel and neither do I.
6. Don't get your panties in a bunch man it's just a forum.
7. Are you a millennial?
I may have given a number wrong though. I was thinking TOTAL scholarship athletes in all sports men and women. So you are more than likely right on the % when it comes to athletes that make their school money. Because I think only a few sports actually make money and the rest lose money.
You are also right most schools have degrees to get players through.
I don't mean to digress but I'll bet you the graduation rate for women's athletes is higher, a LOT higher than for men's. And I'm willing to bet the degrees they get are more meaningful.
We all know that if it weren't for football a lot of these guys would have no business in college. Some simply don't have the faculty to take advantage of that scholarship and walk away with a 100k+ education. That's why so many are in meaningless degree programs.
The bowl games don't matter. The coaches actions prove that. As does the fact that there are many years where there are more Bowls than eligible teams. How many of the bowl games actually sell out? If college football wants to generate revenue. This isn't the way to do it.
You're nuts. $500 million in payouts. That's FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS paid to the schools. 15 bowl games drew more than 50,000 fans. Are there too many bowls? Absolutely, but that is a different argument. But to condemn all bowls as meaningless is ridiculous. In my opinion.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...0-million-first-year-college-football-playoff
if you got rid of the bowl games and had a 16 team playoff instead you'd gemereare 2 billion dollars easy
The bowl games may not be meingless but the fact that coaches don't even stay to coach them before taking other jobs should tell you that they don't mean a whole hell of a lot.
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