I would “do nothing” if no urban.

[KStateFootball82]

Too risky. Too much disruption to players and recruiting.

this isn’t Charlie strong. Herman is 3 plays from 9-0 and soon 10-0.

tcu game was ALL ON Ingram - not Herman. He’s gone now. And Bijan is lights out. Ingram also arguably cost texas the LSU game last year if he catches a wide open TD to go up 14-3. New ballgame.

OU game was tough. Should have won tho.
ISU game was on Herman at the end wjth bad playcalling but sky isn’t falling. Terrible call on fake punt and not taking the FG up 20-16.

7-3 in a COVID year isn’t that bad. Sam also wasn’t as good as I thought he would be.

 

[clob94]

There is a fundamental flaw in our team culture. That can only be corrected at the top. Herman has had 4 years to correct it.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

I think Herman deserves another year to improve his record. If the Longhorns have a worse record next year, let him go. But, if they improve, keep him. My $.02.

 

[KChorn11]

I think this is going to come down to 1 thing. How bad does CDC want to get rid of Herman? If he is at the point where he’s like “**** it if I have to listen to the bitching I’m going to do it with my guy” then Herman is screwed. But the reality is there isn’t a coach out there(including Urban Meyer) that you can have now that you can’t have 10 months from now if you want. So if it’s close for CDC he might decide to wait and save the boosters 5 million dollars. Herman May find out you want more friends than enemies in this world.

 

[Crimson_Warrior]

There is a fundamental flaw in our team culture. That can only be corrected at the top. Herman has had 4 years to correct it.

I think it is the culture at UT. But is it only the football program, or the entire athletic dept, or the entire university?

And doesn't it take a long time to correct culture? You're not talking about taking an 0-11 program to 6-5. You're trying to take that last step to championship status. Much more difficult I believe.

Not vehemently disagreeing with you. Just kind of spit balling some thoughts about the subject.

 

[EWNHorn]

Texas will fire TH

(this way I can say I called it)

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Too risky. Too much disruption to players and recruiting.

this isn’t Charlie strong. Herman is 3 plays from 9-0 and soon 10-0.

tcu game was ALL ON Ingram - not Herman. He’s gone now. And Bijan is lights out. Ingram also arguably cost texas the LSU game last year if he catches a wide open TD to go up 14-3. New ballgame.

OU game was tough. Should have won tho.
ISU game was on Herman at the end wjth bad playcalling but sky isn’t falling. Terrible call on fake punt and not taking the FG up 20-16.

7-3 in a COVID year isn’t that bad. Sam also wasn’t as good as I thought he would be.

Respectfully disagree, for a number of reasons. In brief:

(1) Recruiting is already badly disrupted, and it's not going to get better with a coach widely seen as hanging on by a c*nt hair.

(2) Herman may be three plays away from 9-0, but he's also three plays away from 3-6. Our record is more or less what this team deserves. The 2020 Longhorns broke even on close games, of which -- as usual -- there were too many. Which brings up the key point: We know what we're going to get with Herman's teams. They will never play to a standard -- as clob has said, they will play to the level of their competition. There will always be too many close games, and we will always lose some of them, often to bad teams. We will get some inspired efforts against highly ranked opponents, and we will drag our asses against that season's Maryland and most of the bottom half of the conference. Great programs field teams that play like they're enraged to even have to share the field with lesser opponents. Ours spend two weeks sucking each other's d*cks after pounding UTEP and then give up 56 to a garbage Tech team that only averaged 25 ppg in the rest of its conference games.

There are other reasons, more fundamental reasons, and other elaborations of the above reasons, but there's no need to go any further. He's not the guy. We know it, and everyone knows it. It's time to cut our losses.

 

[DHHorn]

Need to find a coach who is a leader, self sure and motivates his players. The rest will come in time.

 

[KStateFootball82]

@BringBackRoyal yes but first year coordinators you need to give another year. Period.

again, unless urban, let the coordinators have another year.

brown wasn’t an urban but always had elite coordinators. If Herman has found that in Yurcich and Ash and they need one more year, give them a full “non COVID” season.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

@BringBackRoyal yes but first year coordinators you need to give another year. Period.

again, unless urban, let the coordinators have another year.

brown wasn’t an urban but always had elite coordinators. If Herman has found that in Yurcich and Ash and they need one more year, give them a full “non COVID” season.

Plus MB had Vince Young.

 

[KStateFootball82]

Plus MB had Vince Young.

yes. Mack gets his 2nd if Colt stays in the game 2009. Unfortunate.

 

[hillcountryhorn63697005]

UM said that successful programs, like Bama, have great strength coaches, nutritionists and other support personnel that are the backbone to the team's success.

 

[outhereincali]

Too risky. Too much disruption to players and recruiting.

this isn’t Charlie strong. Herman is 3 plays from 9-0 and soon 10-0.

tcu game was ALL ON Ingram - not Herman. He’s gone now. And Bijan is lights out. Ingram also arguably cost texas the LSU game last year if he catches a wide open TD to go up 14-3. New ballgame.

OU game was tough. Should have won tho.
ISU game was on Herman at the end wjth bad playcalling but sky isn’t falling. Terrible call on fake punt and not taking the FG up 20-16.

7-3 in a COVID year isn’t that bad. Sam also wasn’t as good as I thought he would be.

I agree with you on everything paragraph by paragraph. But I would like to defend SE in your last one.

Because of our lousy ol SE has taken a pounding the last 2 years. People who complain about his accuracy have never thought about this. I mean he has to have a deep message and go the chiropractor once a week. And I'm not certain but I think he wears a flak vest.

Until our WV game he's never had a go to rb. But now that he has you can tell his deep ball is just fine.

I talked to my brother today and he had an excellent observation about our ol. We've all been frustrated with DK this year. But what we didn't know until after the KSU game is that he's played with a fractured ankle all year. And finally he just shattered it.

And after Cosmi quit on his team on his team he moved to right tackle and was playing lousy before his injury. But when he moved to rt Christian Jones who has come along was moved to lt which is not natural spot. But after the injury he moved back to rt and dominated. And then came in this true freshman Karac and he kicked a** at lt. And Majors played great at center and he's another true freshman. I think were set at the tackle spots and center because they're all freshman. There's a reason why we scored 35 points in the 3rdq. We can name the score against KS. And SE can go into his last game finally having a very good offense around him.

Hookem Sam Ehlinger.

 

[KChorn11]

Too risky. Too much disruption to players and recruiting.

this isn’t Charlie strong. Herman is 3 plays from 9-0 and soon 10-0.

tcu game was ALL ON Ingram - not Herman. He’s gone now. And Bijan is lights out. Ingram also arguably cost texas the LSU game last year if he catches a wide open TD to go up 14-3. New ballgame.

OU game was tough. Should have won tho.
ISU game was on Herman at the end wjth bad playcalling but sky isn’t falling. Terrible call on fake punt and not taking the FG up 20-16.

7-3 in a COVID year isn’t that bad. Sam also wasn’t as good as I thought he would be.

He may be 3 plays from 9-0, but he’s a dicker FG and miracle on side kick away from losing to tech too.

 

[mm42]

I don't see how Herman stays. How in the world will he recruit? His balls have been cut off and negative recruiting will both rampant and valid. 2022 class would be pitiful and I don't expect 2021 to close out with anything but a whimper.

Not really fair to Herman to make his job impossible and then complain when he pulls in shitty classes.

 

[KChorn11]

I don't see how Herman stays. How in the world will he recruit? His balls have been cut off and negative recruiting will both rampant and valid. 2022 class would be pitiful and I don't expect 2021 to close out with anything but a whimper.

Not really fair to Herman to make his job impossible and then complain when he pulls in shitty classes.

I agree. It’s going to be a Charlie Strong situation only worse. Going in to Charlie’s last year everyone knew he was getting fired it was really just a matter of when it would happen and if Tom Herman was going to pick Texas or LSU. Herman is going to be in the exact same spot. Only difference being the only reason he is back is Texas couldn’t get the guy they wanted.
I’ll tell you this to. The Urban Meyer rumors aren’t going away. If Herman does come back Texas will make contact with Urban next year to make another run at him. You can bet on that.

 

[outhereincali]

I don't see how Herman stays. How in the world will he recruit? His balls have been cut off and negative recruiting will both rampant and valid. 2022 class would be pitiful and I don't expect 2021 to close out with anything but a whimper.

Not really fair to Herman to make his job impossible and then complain when he pulls in shitty classes.

We will beat KS on Saturday and finish 7/3. And he will win his bowl game because he always does and finish 8/3. You want to fire a coach for going 8/3? Maybe there's a reason big name coaches don't want to come here.

And I've been thinking about this 3 plays from being 3/6. Don't you guys think that in those games we were the better team all along?

TT? yes we were
OSU? yes we were
what was this other game? WV? we played better than they did anyway.

While coach Herman doesn't have as high a recruiting class as he has in the past I've been watching recruiting lately. We have a 4* receiver from MS who appears to be coming here. Then there's a 4*dl that's going to choose between us and Baylor and I always like those odds. And finally a solid 3* dl/lb out of New Orleans who doesn't appear to be interested in LSU. Besides OK isn't that far ahead of us in the rankings and they've had a couple of decommits as well. And despite the Brockemeyer not coming here a 4* ol showed promise on Saturday. I'm speaking of Jake Majors. 2 more 4* ol are starting to show promise and they are Andrej Karac and Christian Jones.

Look there's a reason why I'm saying all this. Urban Meyer is not coming and Tom Herman is not leaving Texas fans can't accept this. I know there are at least 4 players that could leave early that are better than Cosmi thinks he is. Eagles, Ossai, Overshown, and Jamison's special teams skills alone make him a better prospect than Cosmi. And of them might came back next year.

 

[mm42]

We will beat KS on Saturday and finish 7/3. And he will win his bowl game because he always does and finish 8/3. You want to fire a coach for going 8/3? Maybe there's a reason big name coaches don't want to come here.

And I've been thinking about this 3 plays from being 3/6. Don't you guys think that in those games we were the better team all along?

TT? yes we were
OSU? yes we were
what was this other game? WV? we played better than they did anyway.

While coach Herman doesn't have as high a recruiting class as he has in the past I've been watching recruiting lately. We have a 4* receiver from MS who appears to be coming here. Then there's a 4*dl that's going to choose between us and Baylor and I always like those odds. And finally a solid 3* dl/lb out of New Orleans who doesn't appear to be interested in LSU. Besides OK isn't that far ahead of us in the rankings and they've had a couple of decommits as well. And despite the Brockemeyer not coming here a 4* ol showed promise on Saturday. I'm speaking of Jake Majors. 2 more 4* ol are starting to show promise and they are Andrej Karac and Christian Jones.

Look there's a reason why I'm saying all this. Urban Meyer is not coming and Tom Herman is not leaving Texas fans can't accept this. I know there are at least 4 players that could leave early that are better than Cosmi thinks he is. Eagles, Ossai, Overshown, and Jamison's special teams skills alone make him a better prospect than Cosmi. And of them might came back next year.

I wasn't complaining about Herman. He is an ok coach imo. This isn't his mess. The AD screwed this up royally. Why go public chasing Urban? Did no one learn anything when Saban said no years ago and it poisoned the well for a decent coach to take the gig. The fans will be disappointed with any other new hire and Herman has been publicly neutered.

No recruit with options is jumping on Herman's sinking ship. I don't like Tom, but I feel like the AD screwed him unbelievably hard. And the way this was handled won't make Mullen or Kelly want to come in as a consolation prize. These guys have big egos.

Can not keep Herman now, if you believe recruiting matters. If things go poorly, could end up having to money whip a coach about like Herman, while paying Herman $25M to go away. I just don't get why this was made so public. Maybe the guys writing the checks are too stupid to shut up.

 

[Falko]

Herman is gone. I can't see CDC keeping him.

 

[Hoookem722]

We will beat KS on Saturday and finish 7/3. And he will win his bowl game because he always does and finish 8/3. You want to fire a coach for going 8/3? Maybe there's a reason big name coaches don't want to come here.

And I've been thinking about this 3 plays from being 3/6. Don't you guys think that in those games we were the better team all along?

TT? yes we were
OSU? yes we were
what was this other game? WV? we played better than they did anyway.

While coach Herman doesn't have as high a recruiting class as he has in the past I've been watching recruiting lately. We have a 4* receiver from MS who appears to be coming here. Then there's a 4*dl that's going to choose between us and Baylor and I always like those odds. And finally a solid 3* dl/lb out of New Orleans who doesn't appear to be interested in LSU. Besides OK isn't that far ahead of us in the rankings and they've had a couple of decommits as well. And despite the Brockemeyer not coming here a 4* ol showed promise on Saturday. I'm speaking of Jake Majors. 2 more 4* ol are starting to show promise and they are Andrej Karac and Christian Jones.

Look there's a reason why I'm saying all this. Urban Meyer is not coming and Tom Herman is not leaving Texas fans can't accept this. I know there are at least 4 players that could leave early that are better than Cosmi thinks he is. Eagles, Ossai, Overshown, and Jamison's special teams skills alone make him a better prospect than Cosmi. And of them might came back next year.

After this whole Urban Meyer deal it’s going to scare recruits off. We should go ahead and cut our losses now and get rid of Herman.

 

[DHHorn]

I wasn't complaining about Herman. He is an ok coach imo. This isn't his mess. The AD screwed this up royally. Why go public chasing Urban? Did no one learn anything when Saban said no years ago and it poisoned the well for a decent coach to take the gig. The fans will be disappointed with any other new hire and Herman has been publicly neutered.

No recruit with options is jumping on Herman's sinking ship. I don't like Tom, but I feel like the AD screwed him unbelievably hard. And the way this was handled won't make Mullen or Kelly want to come in as a consolation prize. These guys have big egos.

Can not keep Herman now, if you believe recruiting matters. If things go poorly, could end up having to money whip a coach about like Herman, while paying Herman $25M to go away. I just don't get why this was made so public. Maybe the guys writing the checks are too stupid to shut up.

Tell me exactly when CDC made anything public. It's our stupid twitter fans and reporters who think they have to act like they know what is going on and report their assumptions as facts. CDC has not said a peep about any of this. It has all been driven by rumors and "sources". Anyone with any kind of sense knows they will make a pitch to Urban, so now you have a bunch of twitter reporters trying to one up the other so they can be viewed as more connected. It's a mess and does no good for the program. You have fans tracking private flights and comparing hotel curtains to figure out where Urban is every day, his wife getting badgered on twitter every day from both UT and tOSU fans, people digging into Urban's medical history, and basically acting like a psycho ex-girlfriend stalker. No wonder he doesn't want to step into this mess, Urban was right when he said fans have completely lost their minds.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Tom is going to stay. How will they recruit? Bags away!

 

[hookem365]

Too risky. Too much disruption to players and recruiting.

this isn’t Charlie strong. Herman is 3 plays from 9-0 and soon 10-0.

tcu game was ALL ON Ingram - not Herman. He’s gone now. And Bijan is lights out. Ingram also arguably cost texas the LSU game last year if he catches a wide open TD to go up 14-3. New ballgame.

OU game was tough. Should have won tho.
ISU game was on Herman at the end wjth bad playcalling but sky isn’t falling. Terrible call on fake punt and not taking the FG up 20-16.

7-3 in a COVID year isn’t that bad. Sam also wasn’t as good as I thought he would be.

With the experience and talent gap, those games should not have been close.
Ttu, OSU, Baylor, wvu should not have been that close.

Besides, I think we are well past the point of doing nothing. You do not go around shopping for a better coach and then settle for the current one. That is how you create the next Orgeron.
Herman will lose his good assistants anyway very soon if we do nothing. Why would they stay on a sinking ship? They have strong resumes.

Doing nothing is absolutely disastrous.

 

[EWNHorn]

Not making a change at this point would kill us for a couple years if not more. This isn't whispers on message boards. This is national media headlines. Texas after Meyers. Meyers turns down Texas. TH answers more questions about why his AD isn't showing public support. I wouldn't want my son walking into that mess.

 

[DHHorn]

Tom is going to stay. How will they recruit? Bags away!

This will not happen. I wish it would, but it won't.

 

[2300 Nueces]

This will not happen. I wish it would, but it won't.

The donors are not going to pony up the money for another coach. I don't see it happening. The economy has been destroyed.

Herman and staff are going to have to put together a patchwork effort going forward.

 

[BigHookem]

Too risky. Too much disruption to players and recruiting.

this isn’t Charlie strong. Herman is 3 plays from 9-0 and soon 10-0.

tcu game was ALL ON Ingram - not Herman. He’s gone now. And Bijan is lights out. Ingram also arguably cost texas the LSU game last year if he catches a wide open TD to go up 14-3. New ballgame.

OU game was tough. Should have won tho.
ISU game was on Herman at the end wjth bad playcalling but sky isn’t falling. Terrible call on fake punt and not taking the FG up 20-16.

7-3 in a COVID year isn’t that bad. Sam also wasn’t as good as I thought he would be.

SHOULD-A, WOULD-A, COULD-A - sorry, but no excuses when you are getting paid like he is. He hasn't won a conference title - not even close. Meanwhile, OU is cruising to their 6th straight - Herman is mediocre.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

There is a fundamental flaw in our team culture. That can only be corrected at the top. Herman has had 4 years to correct it.

Herman is the flaw, he created his issues, he had a reset with his coaching staff and didn't fix his own behavior. He wants to be liked by his players so much so that he isn't respected by his players. That is a problem. When your players don't respect you they won't follow you, and it shows in their play.

 

[DHHorn]

Herman is the flaw, he created his issues, he had a reset with his coaching staff and didn't fix his own behavior. He wants to be liked by his players so much so that he isn't respected by his players. That is a problem. When your players don't respect you they won't follow you, and it shows in their play.

I'm not sure he has to be liked by his players because there are many stories about how shitty he treats them and how unliked he is. He's just arrogant and is not a good motivator or leader. Except when his back is against the wall, then he somehow gets them to rally, I think he puts them against the naysayers. Then when things cool down a bit they go back to being unmotivated and unprepared. Rinse, repeat.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I'm not sure he has to be liked by his players because there are many stories about how shitty he treats them and how unliked he is. He's just arrogant and is not a good motivator or leader. Except when his back is against the wall, then he somehow gets them to rally, I think he puts them against the naysayers. Then when things cool down a bit they go back to being unmotivated and unprepared. Rinse, repeat.

This is likely but I don't see anything changing until his buyout decreases. Herman is a turd.

 

[EWNHorn]

CDC doesn't seem like the kind to put up with him. I still think a change is coming

 

[Texas4040]

Tell me exactly when CDC made anything public. It's our stupid twitter fans and reporters who think they have to act like they know what is going on and report their assumptions as facts. CDC has not said a peep about any of this. It has all been driven by rumors and "sources". Anyone with any kind of sense knows they will make a pitch to Urban, so now you have a bunch of twitter reporters trying to one up the other so they can be viewed as more connected. It's a mess and does no good for the program. You have fans tracking private flights and comparing hotel curtains to figure out where Urban is every day, his wife getting badgered on twitter every day from both UT and tOSU fans, people digging into Urban's medical history, and basically acting like a psycho ex-girlfriend stalker. No wonder he doesn't want to step into this mess, Urban was right when he said fans have completely lost their minds.

This is spot on! It will be hard to get a recognized elite HC after the show that was put on. The media is ripping us

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Tell me exactly when CDC made anything public. It's our stupid twitter fans and reporters who think they have to act like they know what is going on and report their assumptions as facts. CDC has not said a peep about any of this. It has all been driven by rumors and "sources". Anyone with any kind of sense knows they will make a pitch to Urban, so now you have a bunch of twitter reporters trying to one up the other so they can be viewed as more connected. It's a mess and does no good for the program. You have fans tracking private flights and comparing hotel curtains to figure out where Urban is every day, his wife getting badgered on twitter every day from both UT and tOSU fans, people digging into Urban's medical history, and basically acting like a psycho ex-girlfriend stalker. No wonder he doesn't want to step into this mess, Urban was right when he said fans have completely lost their minds.

This!

 

[mm42]

I shouldn't have blamed the AD. I just meant whoever is in charge should have done this behind the scenes. This was as public as it gets. I realize that the $ guys are often in charge of these things and consider the AD as hired help who needs to do as they are told.

But I still say if it wasn't made public Herman would look much better and other elite coaches would be much more interested. But it is what it is at this point. Doesn't matter who the "sources" were anymore.

 

[DHHorn]

I shouldn't have blamed the AD. I just meant whoever is in charge should have done this behind the scenes. This was as public as it gets. I realize that the $ guys are often in charge of these things and consider the AD as hired help who needs to do as they are told.

But I still say if it wasn't made public Herman would look much better and other elite coaches would be much more interested. But it is what it is at this point. Doesn't matter who the "sources" were anymore.

Good luck keeping anything quiet now days, especially at something as big as UT.