Is the Heisman award tainted?

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  1. Iitbhorn3

    Iitbhorn3 Well-Known Member
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    because Vince Young has not won it?
     
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    Because Bush degraded it with his violations and The Heisman Foundation knew about it and still gave it out,,,VY was twice the player that Bush was.. Far as I am concerned the only one who made it clean and Lived it clean as it should be was Earl Campbell, not saying Ricky was not good, but his off the field stuff got to him, to be a Heisman you have to play the play and live the life as a good example..



    Hook'em
     
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    Reggie's sure is but this years will not be. Tua and Lisa Left Eye Murray both deserve it. It pains me to say it but I think Kyler should get it. Without Kyler, I seriously think OU would have been fighting for bowl eligiblity this year and instead they are playoff bound.
    Tua is good BUT he's surrounded by 4* & 5* players that do just as well with or without him. OU SUX......but their qb development is top notch.
     
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  4. DancesWithWolves

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    Well FB, I hardly ever agree with you but Vince was easily the best player in the country his last year. It also pains me to say that I thought Colt was the MVP his last year as well.
     
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    IDK reggie Bush was pretty awesome
     
  6. Mister Moses

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    The vote was before the NC game Vince would’ve won it for sure then.
     
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    The Heisman is tainted with or without Vince.

    George Rodgers won the Heisman over Herschel Walker the year that Georgia went undefeated and won the NC.
     
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    He still won one.
     
  9. Iitbhorn3

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    Not to mention that undeserving dickheads like Manziel won it....
     
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    None of the post season awards, Heisman included, should be passed out until every last game is played. VY by far outplayed Bush in the NC game and should have won it.
     
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    And he had no competition that year. His biggest competition was some lb from ND whose name escapes me.
     
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    To be fair some Heisman winners are good people off the field as well Archie Griffith comes to mind as well as others.
     
  13. FlourBluffHorn

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    If ya want to make a new mode for the Heisman then give Earl a call, his playing impressed the world and his living off the field and beliefs what made him a Ambassador of UT to the world.

    Hook'em
     
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    They keep talking about Tua not playing 4th quarters. Hello... VY didn't play 4th quarters either. Vince deserved it before the title game.
     
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    I thought it gave VY added incentive to win the game.
     
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    There is a chart going around showing Murray and Tua’s Numbers thru 3 quarters. Murray’s are better in every category. Myth busted
     
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    Post it bell
     
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    Grier has decided not to play in WVU bowl game to “prepare for the draft”.
    Can’t stand players doing that. Selfish and let your teammates down, which is 99% of them their last game ever.
     
  19. DrinkToIt

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    Frankly Murray should win. Take Tua off Bama and they are likely still undefeated. Murray off OU probably equals 3 losses.
     
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    Not fair to blame the players.
    Coaches bail on their teams all the time and take up other jobs. ADs fire coaches all the time.

    Let's not judge these players unfairly.
     
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    Well Grier already demonstrated to us what a deusche he is...
     
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    Uh.... 1st Lt. Roger Staubach of the United States Navy would like a word.
     
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    I hate that players choose to do this. Hanging 40 million reasons over their head changes people.
     
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    3 wins is awfully generous Imo. I'm leaning more toward 6-6, seriously
     
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    I would probably still agree with you about Murray getting it, but many times we look at numbers. Tua never played in the 4th quarter. Yes, Bama has many athletes, but Tua turned Alabama into a pass frenzy team where that hasn't been the case in years. He was demolishing decent to good teams. Tua did it in what is CONSIDERED a more defensive minded league and Kyler did it in what is considered an offensive minded league. I love Kyler's vision and I think in the end both are great passers, but Murray's legs are what separates him.
     
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    Would be best for Kyler to take the award that was given to Jason White, and Tua to win it this year.
    While we are at that, Bradford can give his to the rightful owner too.
     
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    Litb way to make no sense whatsoever. Congratulations
     
  28. JoeAg

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    Who cares about the Heisman? To me, if OU beats Bama, and goes on to win National Championship, the Heisman wouldn't mean jack. I wonder which one Vince would rather have. Everyone watching the game knew he was the best player on the field on that night.
     
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    Also, I wonder if Mayfield would trade his for National Title. I tend to think so. Manziel wouldn't have.
     
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    I agree with you. To me, Murray being the kind of guy that he seems to be, which is a prima donna and all about him, I would guess that he'd rather win the Heisman than a NC.
     
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    A player winning the National Championship and a Heisman has happened 11 times since 1935. Paul Hornung won a Heisman with a two win season. Winning both is rare and not realistic.
     
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    You mean the same league that OU ran up the score on last year in the playoffs? The SEC defense looked no better than any OU had faced all year, to say anything different is retarded. OU also had more rushing yards in that game than Georgia did so take your crap elsewhere. We all knew going into that game that OU's defense sucked but what we all learned was that Georgia's vaunted SEC defense was a paper tiger
     
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    Yeah! But that was when FB was FB , not politics and Stars..


    Hook'em
     
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    Utterly dumb comparison to make.

    NC is something you earn on the field.
    In reality, the Heisman is more of a beauty pageant. Most of it are things beyond the player's control.

    You would not know that because Aggies had not earned either on the field.
     
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    One thing about Tua that no one on this thread had mentioned yet. Last year in the title game Saban benched Hurts cause he wasn't getting the job done. So in comes Tua who had hardly played that season.

    Sometimes I wonder if Alabama is even human. It seems as if everything goes their way. And for that reason I don't think OK can beat them.
     
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    Paul Hornung, QB, Notre Dame, 1956
    Hornung got a free pass to the Heisman in ‘56 because he was a quarterback at Notre Dame — even if the Irish went 2-8 that season. He threw for 917 yards and had more than four times as many interceptions (13) as touchdowns (three). Syracuse's Jim Brown, who rushed for more yards (986) and touchdowns (13), finished fifth in that same voting class.

    For anyone to pretend that every Heisman winner was the most deserving player is ludicrous.
     
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    I'll make you a bet. Alabama will soundly beat ou. If I win, you don't post on this sight until the week of the RRS. If you win, I will never post on the ou sight ever again.
     
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    Yes Mayfield is sitting home with his list of woulda, shoulda’s in front of him feeling sorry for himself after getting drafted No. 1 and getting paid. Yes Mayfield is very upset how things worked out. You seem to forget you’re talking about a guy that walked on twice. You think he felt like he deserved anything? :rolleyes:
    Also, your fellow fans claiming ‘once an Ag always an Ag’ couldn’t be more hilarious.
     
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    I assume Riley is the first coach to produce 2 Heismans in first 2 seasons on the job? Number aside, if OU had a better defense and thus fewer close games late in the year, it would've worked against Murray, like Vince in 2005. There was like 51-48 USC wild win over Fresno that sealed it for Bush in '05.
     
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    OU has also been lucky. Mayfield and Murray are both transfers. Colt and VY very likely could/should have won Heismans as well. They were both certainly deserving.
     
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