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Tom Landry, in my opinion is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history. After he left the Cowboys, he did an interview about players he'd coached and coached against.

He was asked who was the most talented QB was he'd ever seen. Landry coached against and with ALL the greats.

Staubach
Tarkenton
Montana
Elway
Marino
Stabler
Bradshaw
Unitas
The list goes on.

Landry answered with "Bobby Layne".

It now appears the other great cowboys coach has declared Mahomes the most talented QB he's ever seen.
 
There is a current popular QB who just couldn’t figure out why Mahomes beat him out. I guess Coach Gossling was right and it wasn’t personal, simply “more better”
 
As most of you know, I'm a huge, lifelong Cowboys fan. I learned something the other day that I didn't know. A guy who knew both Landry and Staubach told me that they didn't get along and that they both "tolerated each other". Interesting.
 
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I am also a long time Cowboys fan and wasn’t aware of either of the above, regarding Landry.
 
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Don Merideth may have been the best QB the Cowboys ever had. There was no throw he could not make and he was very good at reading defenses. Besides that....he had the total respect of his team because he was maybe the toughest guy on the team. He played with broken nose, fingers, etc. Don's problem was that he was a free spirit. In that day the top QB's(Starr, Unitas, Layne.Title) all called their own plays. Merideth wanted to do the same, but Landry would not let him. The QB could always change the play at the line, but ole Don often brought them out of the huddle in a different formation than Landry had called. Sometimes it worked....sometimes it didnt.

Merideth and Bob Hayes changed football forever....Hayes was the fastest man on the planet and Don could drop it on him anywhere. They said of them....14+ 22 = 7.....and it did. In the end, Merideth did not have his heart in the game and retired way before his time. MNF was the perfect gig for him.
 
Don Merideth may have been the best QB the Cowboys ever had. There was no throw he could not make and he was very good at reading defenses. Besides that....he had the total respect of his team because he was maybe the toughest guy on the team. He played with broken nose, fingers, etc. Don's problem was that he was a free spirit. In that day the top QB's(Starr, Unitas, Layne.Title) all called their own plays. Merideth wanted to do the same, but Landry would not let him. The QB could always change the play at the line, but ole Don often brought them out of the huddle in a different formation than Landry had called. Sometimes it worked....sometimes it didnt.

Merideth and Bob Hayes changed football forever....Hayes was the fastest man on the planet and Don could drop it on him anywhere. They said of them....14+ 22 = 7.....and it did. In the end, Merideth did not have his heart in the game and retired way before his time. MNF was the perfect gig for him.

Meridith was definitely a tough guy. However, IMO Staubach is the best QB to ever play for the Cowboys. Captain America was incredibly gifted physically. BTW, it was 17 + 22 = 7. ;)
 

Tom Landry, in my opinion is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history. After he left the Cowboys, he did an interview about players he'd coached and coached against.

He was asked who was the most talented QB was he'd ever seen. Landry coached against and with ALL the greats.

Staubach
Tarkenton
Montana
Elway
Marino
Stabler
Bradshaw
Unitas
The list goes on.

Landry answered with "Bobby Layne".

It now appears the other great cowboys coach has declared Mahomes the most talented QB he's ever seen.
Makes since, a Longhorn picking a Longhorn as the greatest!
 
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Tom Landry, in my opinion is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history. After he left the Cowboys, he did an interview about players he'd coached and coached against.

He was asked who was the most talented QB was he'd ever seen. Landry coached against and with ALL the greats.

Staubach
Tarkenton
Montana
Elway
Marino
Stabler
Bradshaw
Unitas
The list goes on.

Landry answered with "Bobby Layne".

It now appears the other great cowboys coach has declared Mahomes the most talented QB he's ever seen.

I like Mahomes a lot but that is absolutely not accurate. Not close to accurate. The league is down considerably and San Francisco last year was decent team but not one of the top 100 teams in NFL history and this year Tampa Bay is even worse. The 2002 or 2003 Tampa team would dismantle this Tampa team and it wouldn't even be a game..

Its nice to give Mahomes props and he has done heck of a nice job but best ever is absolute nonsense...!! Its like saying this years Texas team would beat the 2005 National Championship team. Either USC or Texas would destroy this current Texas team and there are a lot of teams that would dismantle Kansas City and I am a fan of them..
 
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I like Mahomes a lot but that is absolutely not accurate. Not close to accurate. The league is down considerably and San Francisco last year was decent team but not one of the top 100 teams in NFL history and this year Tampa Bay is even worse. The 2002 or 2003 Tampa team would dismantle this Tampa team and it wouldn't even be a game..

Its nice to give Mahomes props and he has done heck of a nice job but best ever is absolute nonsense...!! Its like saying this years Texas team would beat the 2005 National Championship team. Either USC or Texas would destroy this current Texas team and there are a lot of teams that would dismantle Kansas City and I am a fan of them..
I don’t agree with the league being down. There are a lot of talented young QBs in the game and some pretty good teams. He’s 38-8 as a starter. He’s the fastest to reach 100 td passes. Holds the record for highest passing tds, passer rating, and fewest interceptions through 40 games. I would say he is off to a pretty good start.
 
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Is Mahomes the best ever? No. There are at least 10 QB's right now that I could name who are better. He's fun to watch and is a damn good player, but let's tap the brakes on the "best ever" talk, lol.
 
I don’t agree with the league being down. There are a lot of talented young QBs in the game and some pretty good teams. He’s 38-8 as a starter. He’s the fastest to reach 100 td passes. Holds the record for highest passing tds, passer rating, and fewest interceptions through 40 games. I would say he is off to a pretty good start.
Listen I am not disputing his ability and there are some solid young qb's but pretty good teams are not great teams and if he were doing this against Tampa of 2003 which he wouldn't, or the ravens with Ray Lewis, or the Patriots best teams that went toe to toe with Rays group or Denver when they beat the patriots or had Elway at the end winning championships and if Dallas were to line up with them with Charles Haley and that group they would dismantle KC. I think he could play against those teams but he would need a much better team around him and the reality of what he is facing in combination with the alteration in rules that weights the game to the offensive side of things helps him a whole lot.

Last year they came back from 20-10 down. That says a lot about who he is and what they can do but they did it against a mid level team. Brees blew it this year Mahomes did not. At least not yet and I don't think this Tampa team can stop them but the Tampa team from 2003 beats them up. Go back and watch that team defensively. We are always selling stuff and hyping everything. Every movie is spectacular, mind blowing, etc etc etc. He is very talented and KC should win but Kansas City is a hugely over rated team in historical terms..
 
Damn...Jimmy Johnson was the best evaluator of football talent I ever saw. Gil Brandt as well....but I tend to give Jimmy a great deal of respect in that area.
 
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Any team that could control the clock, run the football and play some defense, has a good shot at beating KC. The 49ers with Craig and Rathman would grind them down. Same with the cowboys with Smith and Johnson. Run the ball- 15 play drives, keep KC off the field offensively and you're in the game in the 4th.
 
Any team that could control the clock, run the football and play some defense, has a good shot at beating KC. The 49ers with Craig and Rathman would grind them down. Same with the cowboys with Smith and Johnson. Run the ball- 15 play drives, keep KC off the field offensively and you're in the game in the 4th.
They have not come close to playing a truly elite defense. No where close and would not fare well against one..
 
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Is Mahomes the best ever? No. There are at least 10 QB's right now that I could name who are better. He's fun to watch and is a damn good player, but let's tap the brakes on the "best ever" talk, lol.
Well I’m not sure how you could crown anybody the best ever when they are 25. If he continues on the path he is on after his first 3 seasons then it would be absurd to say he won’t be the goat. If he plays until he is 38 he is on pace to not only break most major passing records but shatter them.
 
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Listen I am not disputing his ability and there are some solid young qb's but pretty good teams are not great teams and if he were doing this against Tampa of 2003 which he wouldn't, or the ravens with Ray Lewis, or the Patriots best teams that went toe to toe with Rays group or Denver when they beat the patriots or had Elway at the end winning championships and if Dallas were to line up with them with Charles Haley and that group they would dismantle KC. I think he could play against those teams but he would need a much better team around him and the reality of what he is facing in combination with the alteration in rules that weights the game to the offensive side of things helps him a whole lot.

Last year they came back from 20-10 down. That says a lot about who he is and what they can do but they did it against a mid level team. Brees blew it this year Mahomes did not. At least not yet and I don't think this Tampa team can stop them but the Tampa team from 2003 beats them up. Go back and watch that team defensively. We are always selling stuff and hyping everything. Every movie is spectacular, mind blowing, etc etc etc. He is very talented and KC should win but Kansas City is a hugely over rated team in historical terms..
I’ve watched NFL football for 40 years and comparing teams from different eras is about as ridiculous as it comes. With the technological advances I believe athletes are bigger and stronger and can recover faster than they did just 20 years ago today. To say he the competition level isn’t what it was 25-30 years ago is utterly ridiculous too. It’s the NFL and it’s the best of the best.
He’s putting up huge postseason numbers as well. If he wins this Sunday that puts his playoff record at 7-1 in just 3 years. It’s fine if you don’t think he’s the goat right now but I have a feeling 10-12 years from now you will be singing a different tune.
 
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Any team that could control the clock, run the football and play some defense, has a good shot at beating KC. The 49ers with Craig and Rathman would grind them down. Same with the cowboys with Smith and Johnson. Run the ball- 15 play drives, keep KC off the field offensively and you're in the game in the 4th.
So you don’t think anybody has tried this? It all sounds good in coach speak but actually executing is another thing. They shut Derrick Henry down last year after he was coming off of 2 consecutive 200+ yard games in the playoffs.
 
Is Mahomes the best ever? No. There are at least 10 QB's right now that I could name who are better. He's fun to watch and is a damn good player, but let's tap the brakes on the "best ever" talk, lol.
Agree.
 
I’ve watched NFL football for 40 years and comparing teams from different eras is about as ridiculous as it comes. With the technological advances I believe athletes are bigger and stronger and can recover faster than they did just 20 years ago today. To say he the competition level isn’t what it was 25-30 years ago is utterly ridiculous too. It’s the NFL and it’s the best of the best.
He’s putting up huge postseason numbers as well. If he wins this Sunday that puts his playoff record at 7-1 in just 3 years. It’s fine if you don’t think he’s the goat right now but I have a feeling 10-12 years from now you will be singing a different tune.
Please stop. Just stop. The Kansas City Chiefs are not a truly great team and I like them and Mahomes. What is ridiculous is listening to guys like you pretend to have some insight into the game that you don't have. Your argument is utterly absurd. The idea that the best teams from the following franchises Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Denver Broncos, New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers, NY Giants, Bills, Packers, Ravens with Ray Lewis. Tampa from 2003 or even the Oilers with Moon and that Group would not have success today is just a comical assertion. Looing at one elite athlete today, Alvin Kamara, (and I am a former FSU athlete) is a guy I like a lot and he is not one of the top 75 backs in the history of the NFL.

The game began to change in 1993, I believe it was 93 when Murdoch bet 400 million on getting Fox into the NFL sports game. That 400 million, outrageous expenditure I believe eventually became a 70 billion sell. Not a bad return on 400 million.

But this moved sport really to the sport is entertainment view point. And the sport as entertainment mindset necessitated alterations and this biased things moving forward in favor of offenses in regard to structure to make the game more lively and entertaining. Even with these alterations when teams have had really elite defenses, go back and watch the Ravens and Patriots games or the Broncos and Patriots games or Seattle vs New England you did not see the same offensive out puts as you otherwise did/ do a vast majority of the time..

And from a societal standpoint there have been other factors influencing development with many of them having adverse consequences on people. Lets look at just one way alterations in society have impacted basic strength levels for example for the average population.

Here is a 2016 Article Headline from The Sun
Grip strength" of the modern man said to be 12kg LESS than it was in the 1980s
  • TOM GILLESPIE
The article starts with the following "Men aged between 20 and 34 have lower "grip and pinch strength" than their counterparts three decades ago, which shows they have weaker arms and hands, a study by the Journal of Hand Therapy has found." The article continues "Dr. Fain, an assistant professor at Winston-Salem University in the US, has said men used to have stronger hands because of their repetitive tasks in manual labor." She added that this kind of day-to-day activity is more beneficial for hand grip than weight training. Dr Fain also pointed to how people tend to complete smaller hand movements more often by texting and typing."

Now that is not linked specifically to athletic performance but it does reflect something you have never considered before and I would bet that your answer would have contradicted the reality that Dr. Fain's study brings to light. Now lets look at the Dallas roster for a moment. Erik Williams, Larry Allen, Nate Newton, Tuinei, Stepnoski (the one smaller guy but great technique), Lett, Maryland, Haley, Woodson, Darrin Smith, Sanders, Novacek, Smith, Irvin, Moose, Harper, Aikman (to name a few) and we can go on and on. The idea that they are not better than Kansas City is an assertion that is laughable.

Lets look at sports like tennis for minute, and before you laugh lets look at who dominates tennis, It is not the young guys like Thiem or Zerev or Medvedev though they are all having nice careers it is Federer, Djokovic and Nadal and they have been doing it for over 15 years. Why do they do it beyond just talent??t its mindset. Its old school but never is old school really defined.. So let me define it for you in the following way.

Mindset = singular focus but this focus is developed. And here we need to look at development and I would like to shed some light on this for you. In essence skill classifications can be broken down into two basic categories with several subsets in each area. Let me give you a broad overview as to how I was trained ( I was a Harry Hopman kid and my other coaches were Sima Nikolic a Yugoslavian Davis Cup player and David Farmer who had 2 wins over Bob Lutz, Stan Smiths doubles partner (#1 in Doubles on the ATP Tour and #20 in singles on the tour) and how that shaped the systems that I am aligned to as I develop an athlete.

As you read this you may come to realize that coaching was far more sophisticated 20 years ago and 30 years ago and 40 years ago than you realize. You need to learn about coaches like Verhonasky, Tudor Bompa, Michael Yessiss and Charlie Francis. What you see sport coaches doing today is directly traceable to guys like this but then who did they learn from ?? These guys were geniuses and light years ahead of their time. And I Have been fortunate to have 3 1 on 1 conversations with Dr. Yessis.

Also my brother played on the defensive line with Billy Ray Smith and Tony Cherico at Arkansas, three cousins that played for the Univ. of Missouri, a cousin Mike Mock that played with Texas Tech and then the Jets and is Chance Mocks father #9 0n the Fab 55 as a 5 star recruit who played behind Vince Young and a cousin that played at Houston when Houston had two of Mikes Longview teammates, Hosea Taylor and Randy Swisher and lost in the Cotton Bowl to Montana and Notre Dame after being up I think by 17 points in the 4th quarter.

So here is Principle 4 of my developmental framework and again a lot of this comes from my adaptations of Verhoshansky, Bompa, Yessis and Francis's work. So I give you a glimpse into the systems I utilize in developing athletes..

  • Principle #4 is systems. If you have a common language and well thought out player goals but not meaningful systems, you cannot create autonomy in players. The goal is to have talented capable players able to execute the system but who are autonomous and have the capacity to move into a necessary go to loop when plays/ matches break down. The response is instantaneous, and everyone is on the same page under pressure. I want players to be good compensators and at ease if they must move into an alternative game style in order to have success. I do not want players responses to be fear based. We work on helping our athletes move, in the midst of competition, from Sympathetic Nervous System Dominance (Fight or Flight Responses) to Parasympathetic Nervous System Dominance (where the mind controls the body….we are also assessing and teaching elements such as breathing strategies e.g. it is important for the axial skeleton to achieve full excursion of inhalation and exhalation. If you do not get these, you will have a limitation in the athlete’s ability to position the hip and shoulder socket which will limit extremity motion. Joel Jamieson (and Joel's work is the most recent addition to my training modalities) who was George St Pierre’s and Anderson Silva’s conditioning coach addresses these type elements in his HRV (Heart Rate Variability) Conditioning Certification which I have obtained. Joel breaks conditioning into 3 essential types of days based on the loading level of the conditioning method employed on a given day. They are as follows A) - Development, B) - Stimulation and C) - Regeneration and I have adopted his framework with my programming. Additionally, if you are interested in how to sequence conditioning work and strength work there is a great article on Peak Performance (PPonline), that addresses the role of AMPK and MTORC1 in this determination. In my programming we categorize skills into 5 basic areas that can be broken down into 2 essential key subsets. Area 1 = strength and conditioning skills, in this area as players become more advanced I utilize not only HRV (Heart Rate Variability) training but also utilize Max Aerobic Speed and Anaerobic speed reserve calculations to structure HIIT running programs for athletes and we combine these with a variety of metabolic protocols and linear and lateral training methods to address conditioning and endurance and Area 2 which is what we call exploitation skills (I was fortunate to come across a German sport scientist work several years ago who provided this breakdown). In area 2 we have 3 essential skills which can be further broken down as we begin to do more specialized work with a given athlete beyond the general preparation/ foundational period of their development. In category 2 we are initially dealing with speed, coordination, and flexibility. I have come to believe over the last 15-20 years that the key skill in area two that others are dependent on is coordination. Skill acquisition, I have found, is dependent on movement quality and coordination is what supports all skill development in area 2.

If you read this you see that movement is an information processing based skill and that all skills then feed into this loop. Doesn't matter how strong or fast you are if you are failing to process information in the right way or if your mind is not aligned to the process in the right way continually on every rep (every rep not 98% or 89% but on 100 % of them) you take in a game or match. Old school players have a singular way of being in competition and Champions know how to win. If we align ourselves to your assertions Feder, Djokovic and Nadal would have no prayer against the New Superior athlete that you herald and yet they beat them up on a daily basis.. Your absolutely incorrect in your assertions... I really like Kansas City but you and I are viewing the game through 2 very different lenses...!!
 
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Please stop. Just stop. The Kansas City Chiefs are not a truly great team and I like them and Mahomes. What is ridiculous is listening to guys like you pretend to have some insight into the game that you don't have. Your argument is utterly absurd. The idea that the best teams from the following franchises Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Denver Broncos, New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers, NY Giants, Bills, Packers, Ravens with Ray Lewis. Tampa from 2003 or even the Oilers with Moon and that Group would not have success today is just a comical assertion. Alvin Kamara is a guy I like a lot and he is not one of the top 75 backs in the history of the NFL.

The game began to change in 1993, I believe it was 93 when Murdoch bet 400 million of getting Fox into the NFL sports game. That 400 million, outrageous expenditure I believe eventually became a 70 billion sell. Not a bad return on 400 million.

But this moved sport really to the sport is entertainment view point. And the sport as entertainment mindset necessitated alterations and this biased things in favor of offenses in regard to structure to make the game more lively and entertaining. Even with these alterations when teams have had really elite defenses, go back and watch the Ravens and Patriots games or the Broncos and Patriots games or Seattle vs New England you did not see the same offensive out puts as you otherwise did/ do..

And from a societal standpoint there have been other factors influencing development with many of them having adverse consequences on people. Lets look at just one way alterations in society have impacted basic strength levels for example for the average population.

Here is a 2016 Article Headline from The Sun
Grip strength" of the modern man said to be 12kg LESS than it was in the 1980s
  • TOM GILLESPIE
The article starts with the following "Men aged between 20 and 34 have lower "grip and pinch strength" than their counterparts three decades ago, which shows they have weaker arms and hands, a study by the Journal of Hand Therapy has found." The article continues "Dr. Fain, an assistant professor at Winston-Salem University in the US, has said men used to have stronger hands because of their repetitive tasks in manual labor." She added that this kind of day-to-day activity is more beneficial for hand grip than weight training. Dr Fain also pointed to how people tend to complete smaller hand movements more often by texting and typing."

Now that is not linked specifically to athletic performance but it does reflect something you have never considered before and I would bet that your answer would have contradicted the reality that Dr. Fain's study brings to light. Now lets look at the Dallas roster for a moment. Erik Williams, Larry Allen, Nate Newton, Tuinei, Stepnoski (the one smaller guy but great technique), Lett, Maryland, Haley, Woodson, Darrin Smith, Novacek, Smith, Irvin, Moose, Harper, Aikman (to name a few) and we can go on and on. The idea that they are not better than Kansas City is an assertion that is laughable.

Lets look at sports like tennis for minute, and before you laugh lets look at who dominates tennis, It is not the young guys like Thiem or Zerev or Medvedev though they are all having nice careers it is Federer, Djokovic and Nadal and they have been doing it for over 15 years. Why do they do it beyond just talent??t its mindset. Its old school but never is old school really defined.. So let me define it for you in the following way.

Mindset = singular focus but this focus is developed. In essence skill classifications can be broken down into two basic categories with subsets in each area. Let me give you a broad overview as to how I was trained ( I was a Harry Hopman kid and my other cosches were Sima Nikolic a Yugoslavian Davis Cup player and David Farmer who had 2 wins over Bob Lutz, Stan Smiths doubles partner (#1 in Doubles on the ATP Tour and #20 in singles on the tour) and how that shaped the systems that I am aligned to as I develop an athlete.

Also my brother played on the defensive line with Billy Ray Smith and Tony Cherico at Arkansas, two cousins that played for the Univ. of Missouri, a cousin Mike Mock that played with Texas Tech and then the Jets and is Chance Mocks father #9 0n the Fab 55 as a recruit 5 star who played behind Vince Young and a cousin that played at Houston when Houston had two of Mikes Longview teammates, Hosea Taylor and Randy Swisher , and losyt in the Cotton Bowl after being up I think by 17 points in the 4th quarter.

So here is Principle 4 of my developmental framework

  • Principle #4 is systems. If you have a common language and well thought out player goals but not meaningful systems, you cannot create autonomy in players. The goal is to have talented capable players able to execute the system but who are autonomous and have the capacity to move into a necessary go to loop when plays/ matches break down. The response is instantaneous, and everyone is on the same page under pressure. I want players to be good compensators and at ease if they must move into an alternative game style in order to have success. I do not want players responses to be fear based. We work on helping our athletes move, in the midst of competition, from Sympathetic Nervous System Dominance (Fight or Flight Responses) to Parasympathetic Nervous System Dominance (where the mind controls the body….we are also assessing and teaching elements such as breathing strategies e.g. it is important for the axial skeleton to achieve full excursion of inhalation and exhalation. If you do not get these, you will have a limitation in the athlete’s ability to position the hip and shoulder socket which will limit extremity motion. Joel Jamieson who was George St Pierre’s and Anderson Silva’s conditioning coach addresses these type elements in his HRV (Herat Rate Variability) Conditioning Certification which I have obtained. Joel breaks conditioning into 3 essential types of days based on the loading level of the conditioning method employed on a given day. They are as follows A) - Development, B) - Stimulation and C) - Regeneration and I have adopted his framework with my programming. Additionally, if you are interested in how to sequence conditioning work and strength work there is a great article on Peak Performance (PPonline), that addresses the role of AMPK and MTORC1 in this determination. In my programming we categorize skills into 5 basic areas that can be broken down into 2 essential key subsets. Area 1 = strength and conditioning skills, in this area as players become more advanced I utilize not only HRV (Heart Rate Variability) training but also utilize max aerobic Speed and anerobic speed reserve calculations to structure HIIT running programs for athletes and we combine these with a variety of metabolic protocols and linear and lateral training methods to address conditioning and endurance and Area 2 which is what we call exploitation skills (I was fortunate to come across a German sport scientist work several years ago who provided this breakdown). In area 2 we have 3 essential skills which can be further broken down as we begin to do more specialized work with a given athlete beyond the general preparation/ foundational period of their development. In category 2 we are initially dealing with speed, coordination, and flexibility. I have come to believe over the last 15-20 years that the key skill in area two that others are dependent on is coordination. Skill acquisition, I have found, is dependent on movement quality and coordination is what supports all skill development in area 2.

If you read this you see that movement is an information processing based skill and that all skills then feed into this loop. Doesn't matter how strong or fast you are if you are failing to process information in the right way or if your mind is not aligned to the process in the right way. Old school players have a singular way of being in competition and Champions know how to win. If we align ourselves to your assertions Feder, Djokovic and Nadal would have no prayer against the New Superior athlete that you herald and yet they beat them up on a daily basis.. Your absolutely incorrect in your assertions... I really like Kansas City but you and I are viewing the game through 2 very different lenses...!!
That’s what great about America. We are all entitled to our own opinions. I don’t really care to write a novel to reply to this but I feel like we are watching one of the all time greats in the making. You don’t have to agree with that and that’s fine. I respect your opinion.
 
That’s what great about America. We are all entitled to our own opinions. I don’t really care to write a novel to reply to this but I feel like we are watching one of the all time greats in the making. You don’t have to agree with that and that’s fine. I respect your opinion.
Didn't want to or intend to come off like an egotistical know it all and didn't mean to appear to attack you. As I said I love Mahomes and Kansas City I just feel that truly Great teams were truly great for a reason and I do appreciate and understand your position..
 
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Didn't want to or intend to come off like an egotistical know it all and didn't mean to appear to attack you. As I said I love Mahomes and Kansas City I just feel that truly Great teams were truly great for a reason and I do appreciate and understand your position..
It’s all good man! Like I said I respect your opinion. I don’t let friendly debates bother me like this one. I accept the fact not everyone is going to agree with me, it’s no big deal at all. Have a good one!
 
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Please stop. Just stop. The Kansas City Chiefs are not a truly great team and I like them and Mahomes. What is ridiculous is listening to guys like you pretend to have some insight into the game that you don't have. Your argument is utterly absurd. The idea that the best teams from the following franchises Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Denver Broncos, New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers, NY Giants, Bills, Packers, Ravens with Ray Lewis. Tampa from 2003 or even the Oilers with Moon and that Group would not have success today is just a comical assertion. Looing at one elite athlete today, Alvin Kamara, (and I am a former FSU athlete) is a guy I like a lot and he is not one of the top 75 backs in the history of the NFL.

The game began to change in 1993, I believe it was 93 when Murdoch bet 400 million on getting Fox into the NFL sports game. That 400 million, outrageous expenditure I believe eventually became a 70 billion sell. Not a bad return on 400 million.

But this moved sport really to the sport is entertainment view point. And the sport as entertainment mindset necessitated alterations and this biased things moving forward in favor of offenses in regard to structure to make the game more lively and entertaining. Even with these alterations when teams have had really elite defenses, go back and watch the Ravens and Patriots games or the Broncos and Patriots games or Seattle vs New England you did not see the same offensive out puts as you otherwise did/ do a vast majority of the time..

And from a societal standpoint there have been other factors influencing development with many of them having adverse consequences on people. Lets look at just one way alterations in society have impacted basic strength levels for example for the average population.

Here is a 2016 Article Headline from The Sun
Grip strength" of the modern man said to be 12kg LESS than it was in the 1980s
  • TOM GILLESPIE
The article starts with the following "Men aged between 20 and 34 have lower "grip and pinch strength" than their counterparts three decades ago, which shows they have weaker arms and hands, a study by the Journal of Hand Therapy has found." The article continues "Dr. Fain, an assistant professor at Winston-Salem University in the US, has said men used to have stronger hands because of their repetitive tasks in manual labor." She added that this kind of day-to-day activity is more beneficial for hand grip than weight training. Dr Fain also pointed to how people tend to complete smaller hand movements more often by texting and typing."

Now that is not linked specifically to athletic performance but it does reflect something you have never considered before and I would bet that your answer would have contradicted the reality that Dr. Fain's study brings to light. Now lets look at the Dallas roster for a moment. Erik Williams, Larry Allen, Nate Newton, Tuinei, Stepnoski (the one smaller guy but great technique), Lett, Maryland, Haley, Woodson, Darrin Smith, Sanders, Novacek, Smith, Irvin, Moose, Harper, Aikman (to name a few) and we can go on and on. The idea that they are not better than Kansas City is an assertion that is laughable.

Lets look at sports like tennis for minute, and before you laugh lets look at who dominates tennis, It is not the young guys like Thiem or Zerev or Medvedev though they are all having nice careers it is Federer, Djokovic and Nadal and they have been doing it for over 15 years. Why do they do it beyond just talent??t its mindset. Its old school but never is old school really defined.. So let me define it for you in the following way.

Mindset = singular focus but this focus is developed. And here we need to look at development and I would like to shed some light on this for you. In essence skill classifications can be broken down into two basic categories with several subsets in each area. Let me give you a broad overview as to how I was trained ( I was a Harry Hopman kid and my other coaches were Sima Nikolic a Yugoslavian Davis Cup player and David Farmer who had 2 wins over Bob Lutz, Stan Smiths doubles partner (#1 in Doubles on the ATP Tour and #20 in singles on the tour) and how that shaped the systems that I am aligned to as I develop an athlete.

As you read this you may come to realize that coaching was far more sophisticated 20 years ago and 30 years ago and 40 years ago than you realize. You need to learn about coaches like Verhonasky, Tudor Bompa, Michael Yessiss and Charlie Francis. What you see sport coaches doing today is directly traceable to guys like this but then who did they learn from ?? These guys were geniuses and light years ahead of their time. And I Have been fortunate to have 3 1 on 1 conversations with Dr. Yessis.

Also my brother played on the defensive line with Billy Ray Smith and Tony Cherico at Arkansas, three cousins that played for the Univ. of Missouri, a cousin Mike Mock that played with Texas Tech and then the Jets and is Chance Mocks father #9 0n the Fab 55 as a 5 star recruit who played behind Vince Young and a cousin that played at Houston when Houston had two of Mikes Longview teammates, Hosea Taylor and Randy Swisher and lost in the Cotton Bowl to Montana and Notre Dame after being up I think by 17 points in the 4th quarter.

So here is Principle 4 of my developmental framework and again a lot of this comes from my adaptations of Verhoshansky, Bompa, Yessis and Francis's work. So I give you a glimpse into the systems I utilize in developing athletes..

  • Principle #4 is systems. If you have a common language and well thought out player goals but not meaningful systems, you cannot create autonomy in players. The goal is to have talented capable players able to execute the system but who are autonomous and have the capacity to move into a necessary go to loop when plays/ matches break down. The response is instantaneous, and everyone is on the same page under pressure. I want players to be good compensators and at ease if they must move into an alternative game style in order to have success. I do not want players responses to be fear based. We work on helping our athletes move, in the midst of competition, from Sympathetic Nervous System Dominance (Fight or Flight Responses) to Parasympathetic Nervous System Dominance (where the mind controls the body….we are also assessing and teaching elements such as breathing strategies e.g. it is important for the axial skeleton to achieve full excursion of inhalation and exhalation. If you do not get these, you will have a limitation in the athlete’s ability to position the hip and shoulder socket which will limit extremity motion. Joel Jamieson (and Joel's work is the most recent addition to my training modalities) who was George St Pierre’s and Anderson Silva’s conditioning coach addresses these type elements in his HRV (Heart Rate Variability) Conditioning Certification which I have obtained. Joel breaks conditioning into 3 essential types of days based on the loading level of the conditioning method employed on a given day. They are as follows A) - Development, B) - Stimulation and C) - Regeneration and I have adopted his framework with my programming. Additionally, if you are interested in how to sequence conditioning work and strength work there is a great article on Peak Performance (PPonline), that addresses the role of AMPK and MTORC1 in this determination. In my programming we categorize skills into 5 basic areas that can be broken down into 2 essential key subsets. Area 1 = strength and conditioning skills, in this area as players become more advanced I utilize not only HRV (Heart Rate Variability) training but also utilize Max Aerobic Speed and Anaerobic speed reserve calculations to structure HIIT running programs for athletes and we combine these with a variety of metabolic protocols and linear and lateral training methods to address conditioning and endurance and Area 2 which is what we call exploitation skills (I was fortunate to come across a German sport scientist work several years ago who provided this breakdown). In area 2 we have 3 essential skills which can be further broken down as we begin to do more specialized work with a given athlete beyond the general preparation/ foundational period of their development. In category 2 we are initially dealing with speed, coordination, and flexibility. I have come to believe over the last 15-20 years that the key skill in area two that others are dependent on is coordination. Skill acquisition, I have found, is dependent on movement quality and coordination is what supports all skill development in area 2.

If you read this you see that movement is an information processing based skill and that all skills then feed into this loop. Doesn't matter how strong or fast you are if you are failing to process information in the right way or if your mind is not aligned to the process in the right way continually on every rep (every rep not 98% or 89% but on 100 % of them) you take in a game or match. Old school players have a singular way of being in competition and Champions know how to win. If we align ourselves to your assertions Feder, Djokovic and Nadal would have no prayer against the New Superior athlete that you herald and yet they beat them up on a daily basis.. Your absolutely incorrect in your assertions... I really like Kansas City but you and I are viewing the game through 2 very different lenses...!!
Great read.

Case in point-- is there anyone in the league that has the speed and ability to cover like deion Sanders or Darrell Greene?

Nope didn't think so.
 
Great read.

Case in point-- is there anyone in the league that has the speed and ability to cover like deion Sanders or Darrell Greene?

Nope didn't think so.

IMO the best cover corner in the league today is Jalen Ramsey. I wouldn't put him in the category with Greene or Sanders though.
 
Please stop. Just stop. The Kansas City Chiefs are not a truly great team and I like them and Mahomes. What is ridiculous is listening to guys like you pretend to have some insight into the game that you don't have. Your argument is utterly absurd. The idea that the best teams from the following franchises Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Denver Broncos, New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers, NY Giants, Bills, Packers, Ravens with Ray Lewis. Tampa from 2003 or even the Oilers with Moon and that Group would not have success today is just a comical assertion. Looing at one elite athlete today, Alvin Kamara, (and I am a former FSU athlete) is a guy I like a lot and he is not one of the top 75 backs in the history of the NFL.

The game began to change in 1993, I believe it was 93 when Murdoch bet 400 million on getting Fox into the NFL sports game. That 400 million, outrageous expenditure I believe eventually became a 70 billion sell. Not a bad return on 400 million.

But this moved sport really to the sport is entertainment view point. And the sport as entertainment mindset necessitated alterations and this biased things moving forward in favor of offenses in regard to structure to make the game more lively and entertaining. Even with these alterations when teams have had really elite defenses, go back and watch the Ravens and Patriots games or the Broncos and Patriots games or Seattle vs New England you did not see the same offensive out puts as you otherwise did/ do a vast majority of the time..

And from a societal standpoint there have been other factors influencing development with many of them having adverse consequences on people. Lets look at just one way alterations in society have impacted basic strength levels for example for the average population.

Here is a 2016 Article Headline from The Sun
Grip strength" of the modern man said to be 12kg LESS than it was in the 1980s
  • TOM GILLESPIE
The article starts with the following "Men aged between 20 and 34 have lower "grip and pinch strength" than their counterparts three decades ago, which shows they have weaker arms and hands, a study by the Journal of Hand Therapy has found." The article continues "Dr. Fain, an assistant professor at Winston-Salem University in the US, has said men used to have stronger hands because of their repetitive tasks in manual labor." She added that this kind of day-to-day activity is more beneficial for hand grip than weight training. Dr Fain also pointed to how people tend to complete smaller hand movements more often by texting and typing."

Now that is not linked specifically to athletic performance but it does reflect something you have never considered before and I would bet that your answer would have contradicted the reality that Dr. Fain's study brings to light. Now lets look at the Dallas roster for a moment. Erik Williams, Larry Allen, Nate Newton, Tuinei, Stepnoski (the one smaller guy but great technique), Lett, Maryland, Haley, Woodson, Darrin Smith, Sanders, Novacek, Smith, Irvin, Moose, Harper, Aikman (to name a few) and we can go on and on. The idea that they are not better than Kansas City is an assertion that is laughable.

Lets look at sports like tennis for minute, and before you laugh lets look at who dominates tennis, It is not the young guys like Thiem or Zerev or Medvedev though they are all having nice careers it is Federer, Djokovic and Nadal and they have been doing it for over 15 years. Why do they do it beyond just talent??t its mindset. Its old school but never is old school really defined.. So let me define it for you in the following way.

Mindset = singular focus but this focus is developed. And here we need to look at development and I would like to shed some light on this for you. In essence skill classifications can be broken down into two basic categories with several subsets in each area. Let me give you a broad overview as to how I was trained ( I was a Harry Hopman kid and my other coaches were Sima Nikolic a Yugoslavian Davis Cup player and David Farmer who had 2 wins over Bob Lutz, Stan Smiths doubles partner (#1 in Doubles on the ATP Tour and #20 in singles on the tour) and how that shaped the systems that I am aligned to as I develop an athlete.

As you read this you may come to realize that coaching was far more sophisticated 20 years ago and 30 years ago and 40 years ago than you realize. You need to learn about coaches like Verhonasky, Tudor Bompa, Michael Yessiss and Charlie Francis. What you see sport coaches doing today is directly traceable to guys like this but then who did they learn from ?? These guys were geniuses and light years ahead of their time. And I Have been fortunate to have 3 1 on 1 conversations with Dr. Yessis.

Also my brother played on the defensive line with Billy Ray Smith and Tony Cherico at Arkansas, three cousins that played for the Univ. of Missouri, a cousin Mike Mock that played with Texas Tech and then the Jets and is Chance Mocks father #9 0n the Fab 55 as a 5 star recruit who played behind Vince Young and a cousin that played at Houston when Houston had two of Mikes Longview teammates, Hosea Taylor and Randy Swisher and lost in the Cotton Bowl to Montana and Notre Dame after being up I think by 17 points in the 4th quarter.

So here is Principle 4 of my developmental framework and again a lot of this comes from my adaptations of Verhoshansky, Bompa, Yessis and Francis's work. So I give you a glimpse into the systems I utilize in developing athletes..

  • Principle #4 is systems. If you have a common language and well thought out player goals but not meaningful systems, you cannot create autonomy in players. The goal is to have talented capable players able to execute the system but who are autonomous and have the capacity to move into a necessary go to loop when plays/ matches break down. The response is instantaneous, and everyone is on the same page under pressure. I want players to be good compensators and at ease if they must move into an alternative game style in order to have success. I do not want players responses to be fear based. We work on helping our athletes move, in the midst of competition, from Sympathetic Nervous System Dominance (Fight or Flight Responses) to Parasympathetic Nervous System Dominance (where the mind controls the body….we are also assessing and teaching elements such as breathing strategies e.g. it is important for the axial skeleton to achieve full excursion of inhalation and exhalation. If you do not get these, you will have a limitation in the athlete’s ability to position the hip and shoulder socket which will limit extremity motion. Joel Jamieson (and Joel's work is the most recent addition to my training modalities) who was George St Pierre’s and Anderson Silva’s conditioning coach addresses these type elements in his HRV (Heart Rate Variability) Conditioning Certification which I have obtained. Joel breaks conditioning into 3 essential types of days based on the loading level of the conditioning method employed on a given day. They are as follows A) - Development, B) - Stimulation and C) - Regeneration and I have adopted his framework with my programming. Additionally, if you are interested in how to sequence conditioning work and strength work there is a great article on Peak Performance (PPonline), that addresses the role of AMPK and MTORC1 in this determination. In my programming we categorize skills into 5 basic areas that can be broken down into 2 essential key subsets. Area 1 = strength and conditioning skills, in this area as players become more advanced I utilize not only HRV (Heart Rate Variability) training but also utilize Max Aerobic Speed and Anaerobic speed reserve calculations to structure HIIT running programs for athletes and we combine these with a variety of metabolic protocols and linear and lateral training methods to address conditioning and endurance and Area 2 which is what we call exploitation skills (I was fortunate to come across a German sport scientist work several years ago who provided this breakdown). In area 2 we have 3 essential skills which can be further broken down as we begin to do more specialized work with a given athlete beyond the general preparation/ foundational period of their development. In category 2 we are initially dealing with speed, coordination, and flexibility. I have come to believe over the last 15-20 years that the key skill in area two that others are dependent on is coordination. Skill acquisition, I have found, is dependent on movement quality and coordination is what supports all skill development in area 2.

If you read this you see that movement is an information processing based skill and that all skills then feed into this loop. Doesn't matter how strong or fast you are if you are failing to process information in the right way or if your mind is not aligned to the process in the right way continually on every rep (every rep not 98% or 89% but on 100 % of them) you take in a game or match. Old school players have a singular way of being in competition and Champions know how to win. If we align ourselves to your assertions Feder, Djokovic and Nadal would have no prayer against the New Superior athlete that you herald and yet they beat them up on a daily basis.. Your absolutely incorrect in your assertions... I really like Kansas City but you and I are viewing the game through 2 very different lenses...!!
Great read.

Case in point-- is there anyone in the league that has the speed and ability to cover like deion Sanders or Darrell Greene?

Nope didn't think so.
 
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