Ya Aaron Donald is nothing compared to those guys 🧐. You have what I call old man bias where you glorify the old days as the gospel and everything else is superior. Sure there are guys from different eras that could dominate today’s game. But the same could be said for some guys in today’s game.
Jimmy Johnson- Mahomes is the most talented QB ive ever seen
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I don't care how fast he was Deion Sanders was a fag. That's right I said it. I grew up with the Steelers and their great Steel Curtain defense. I also watched Lombardi's packers.
The 2 best cb's I ever saw were Herb Adderly (GB) and Mel Blount (Steelers). And they were great athletes in their own right. They had the whole game they could play the run and could a deliver a nasty blow.
Deion Sanders could not in fact he didn't even try to play the run or even tackle. My favorite memory of him was when he was with Dallas and a 3rd string qb on the Giants hit him and knocked him out. It was a well known fact that he never tried to learn the playbook. Having said this I acknowledge that he was a greatest cover corner one of the greatest ever. And I know the story about running a 4.3 forty in a helmet and shoulder pads. But you can go way back in the day and fb players have always been great athletes. But for me its playing the whole game and Deion Sanders didn't have that.
Friend you would be wrong again. Not sure how you spent your day today but let me share with you how I spent mine. I have been at a hospital all day as my youngest Niece is playing soccer at a University in NC and made the starting lineup as a true freshman. In a scrimmage three days ago she was taken down with a slide tackle where she landed on her right shoulder and underwent surgery today to repair the breaks.
The surgeon had to place two plates and 5 screws in the shoulder to repair the injury. As I sat at the hospital awaiting her to come out of surgery along with her father (her mother my sister is undergoing chemo right now, her 3rd bout with it, so she did not come to the hospital) I had some time to kill.
I don't have as you so eloquently put it "old man bias" I just know that the general assertion that the game progressed beyond the abilities of guys from 15 years ago is complete nonsense.. I was also recruited by A&M, Tech, TCU, LSU, Arkansas, TJC, Rajun Cajuns, Tulane, Ole Miss, Southwest Texas State along with 15 other schools and ended up at Florida State so I don't feel like I am trapped in some false thought process that prevents me from assessing accurately the reality of todays game..
Perhaps many people, and you more than you realize, today falsely embrace the idea that all things new are so much better than anything else that came before that they more than they realize can't see the forest for trees.. and by doing so never have to look with any level of honesty about the deficiencies that exist not only in modern sport but more importantly contemporary life..
I'm not sure that word means what you think it means. Deion will be the first to admit he didn't like to tackle but he could. As far as cover corners go many feel he was the greatest of all time at coverage
I promise you that Tommy Nobis would have started for any Pro team today....same for Jim Brown
Ya and teams could still run the wishbone but that doesn’t mean it would work....
I know exactly what it means. The baddest of the badasses, in their glory years, were the Oakland Raiders. Some of their guys called Deion Sanders a fag. They said if he had done one of his ignorant td dances against them they said they would have seen to it that he didn't do it a second time. Spike Lee said that if DS had so much jeri curl in his hair he could have killed people just shaking his head. Along with Brian Bosworth they were they were the first self promoters in the NFL. He shopped himself to the 49ers and the Cowboys. At the time they were 1 player short of winning a SB and DS could go to a team with a great defense and do his thing. And he wasn't worth a **** as a tackler or in run support. Now let me compare to his biggest rival Darrell Green. DG wasn't the greatest in run support but he gave maximum effort and ended up pretty decent in run support and he was a willing tackler.
Whoa! Did I read that correctly! That's a statement made by Cali? A man of God, sympathetic, progressive, tolerant, equality for all, social justice Cali?
I saw Jim Brown when the Browns beat the Cowboys about 1965. He was the best RB I ever saw. He could let either leg go limp when tackled, then gain a little more yardage.
I am of course all those things and proud of it. I was also quoting the Oakland Raiders and said so. The Raiders were probably serious and I thought it was funny. Especially because they were talking about an athlete who often boasted of his conquests and the gorgeous women he said he was with. Lighten up and have a sense of humor. And jeesh next time I'll have to say sissy.
that comment is just wrong. What in hell does the wishbone have to do with anything? We are talking about players of yore that would be just as dominate today as they were then.
Meridith was definitely a tough guy. However, IMO Staubach is the best QB to ever play for the Cowboys. Captain America was incredibly gifted physically. BTW, it was 17 + 22 = 7.
Well Staubach did lose two to duck dynasty back up qb, which if cowboys would of won we would have 7 titles
yawwwn.....over rated. They still never were the 49ers...Cowboys or Steelers.
Now the '85 Bears.....those were bad asses...
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I was actually joshing with you and not being serious at all!
Landry's cowboys weren't that tough and neither were the 49ers. Now the Steel Curtain and the 85 bears were tough. But the Raiders didn't just beat you they f'd you up. No team caused more rule changes than the Raiders 😂.
You obviously didn't pay close attention to the Cowboys back then under Landry. Too Tall, Martin, White, Lewis, Harris, Watters, Bates, Lilly, Howley, Jeffcoat, Ditka, Henderson, Fitzgerald, Nye, Newhouse, Dutton, to name a few.
Now I know you are just trolling. Those 70’s Cowboys teams were loaded with hall of fame talent. They were pretty damn good in the 80’s to.
A great example of people too often living in the moment when it comes to players/teams is the article I read the other day ranking Brady's 10 Super Bowl teams and it had this season's Bucs team as 3rd best. Better than the 14-2 2004 Patriots, that had a top 5 scoring offense, 1600 yard rusher in Corey Dillon, #2 defense in the league with a loaded front 7, faced the 49 TD Peyton Manning and stacked Indy offense in the divisional round and held them to 3 points, then went to Pittsburgh and put up 41 points on the #1 scoring defense in the league. (Before beating Philly in the Super Bowl)
I have no issue calling the 2020 Bucs better than multiple Patriots Super Bowl teams. Putting them ahead of that 2004 team though is ridiculous.
Yeah....the late 60's and 70's Cowboys were tough as hell.....and while we are at it about good CB's...Mel Renfro may have been the best yet. He didnt get too many breakups, or interceptions.....because the other team NEVER went to his man.If there was a stat for the least targets bfor his man, Renfro would have won it every year.Back in Deons heyday I remember a discussion from the writers and they said it would not be fair to compare Deon to Renfro....Mel was that much better.... It did not hurt that the other corner was perennial All Pro Cornell Green.
This Tampa team is not close to the 2003 Tampa team. The people coming up with these list have no idea what they are talking about 98% of the time..
They had a lot of HoF talent everyone knows that. But imho the only players on the Landry defenses that played with a nasty streak were Cliff Harris and Thomas Henderson. That's not to say they were finesse players because they weren't. And it's not like they avoided collisions. It's complicated but I always felt there was something missing physically.
I know like I said above I can't put my finger on it but there was something missing physically on that defense. I feel in comparison the contemporaries, the Steelers, and the Raiders, those guys had something the Cowboys didn't have. And don't forget the Steelers beat Landry's cowboys twice in the SB.
Harvey Martin, Too Tall Jones and Bill Bates. Those dudes would take your head off.
I loved Stabler and those guys. They had some great teams and one of both the luckiest and greatest plays in the history of the game was the immaculate reception when one of the Raiders almost killed one of the Steelers and the ball flies 40 yds. across the field and is snatched out of the air by Franco who then runs 40+ yds. for a TD. I just wish someone would have unloaded on him and prevented the score..
On that channel An NFL Life they devoted a whole show to the Immaculate Reception. That play happened with 5 seconds left. You remember that saying the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat? That was the look of the Raiders when it happened. What I remember most is that it happened to the Raiders.
Assuming you and I are the same age (60's) I agree with you wholeheartedly that the players of our generation were better players than the ones today. After reading your presentation I'm not surprised that the players of our generation were better athletes. Hey the players from the generations before us were better athletes. That's right. You want proof? The greatest athlete of the 20th century, and one of the NFL pioneers, was Jim Thorpe. And were talking over 100 years ago. The 2nd greatest athlete of the 20th century was Jim Brown and he was 50, 60 years ago. Bobby Layne, Sammy Baugh, and were outstanding baseball players and would have had great careers had they chosen that sport. Going back to our generation Joe Montana was an outstanding hoops player and there were so many others. Jim Brown said a true sign of greatness was a player that would have been great in any era. Guys I mentioned above other guys like Bob Lilly, mean Joe Greene, Earl Campbell, and so many others today's game would have been a piece of cake for them. A lot of great players not so much. Brady, Manning, Farve, a few more would have done well but most of them wouldn't have. Our guys, our predecessors, had the complete package.
Ya you might as well go ahead and take your L and on this one and move on. Those 70’s Cowboys defenses were tough as nails.
Cali... Not tough? ...Look up Chuck Hawley....as an outside linebacker he remains to this day ( and will be forever) the only man named Super Bowl MVP from the team that lost.
Lee Roy Jordon....none ever better...Willy, Lilly, Jethroe, and George....they weren’t called Doomsday by being soft....
Y'all need to stop. Linebackers that ran 5.1s, defensive linemen that weighed 260 and playedagainst offensive linemen that weighed 225. Seriously, stop. Greatness transcends-- earl, Darrell green, Deion.... All good. But some of those others y'all are touting were great FOR THEIR ERA.
To the op, if Johnson said mahomes was the BEST, he's wrong. I believe he said MOST TALENTED. that's a different discussion.
To the op, if Johnson said mahomes was the BEST, he's wrong. I believe he said MOST TALENTED. that's a different discussion.
Diablo....you have a point....up to a point. It is true that Bob Lilly was in the 275lb range....but you dont think that he would have been a 300 pounder with todays training methods? Todays athletes train 12 months a year. In those days theywere completely off from January to July...I also suspect that Howley and Leeroy would time way less than 5.1....Hell...Hollywood Henderson ran about a 4.5 and he weighed over 240.....For that matter, he was the Cowboys punt returner.
I do see to your point and what you are saying is true....but not entirely accurate.
I do see to your point and what you are saying is true....but not entirely accurate.
Errrrrr-- read my headline again. Then read my comment again. You'll clearly see the word "talented" used more than once.
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