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If we are going to give amatuer athletes what they are "worth", we should cancel every sport but football and men's basketball. No other sport should exist if we are giving athletes what they are "worth".
We shouldn't make them attend school either I guess, just be honest about why they are on campus. Kind of ruins it for me.

You said nothing of substance, you simply pouted and said tell everyone to quit sports period. Why should others quit, because of others worth. Should everything be equal and shared...be careful? Why should they quit, because someone is willing to pay other college stars for their autograph. Nobody used the word GIVE, I said don't rob them of their worth...but hey, if you're a socialist and want everyone to quit, because of what football/basketball players may be worth, then I'm laughing at the hypocrisy of so called capitalist.

The entitled fan has it ruined for him, so sad ( I called it, before you said it). They are on campus for the same reason everyone else is, to get to the next level. They simply have more avenues available to them, then you do. And what? Of course they would go to school, everyone is not going to the next level. You're going to the extreme, because you have nothing of substance to add. This is America right. Too many hypocrites and circumstantial capitalist around here.
 
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I am curious for the lawyers on the board. I imagine that determining the damages of all this would be fairly easy for a civil defamation suit, but since the info isn't false is that an absolute defense? Or is that thrown out the window because you hacked into his account?


I dont think there is any civil recourse if the info leaked was true. Partially bc itwould be factual information, regardless of how it was discovered, and partially bc the illicit acts committed were the reason and ability Tunstil was able to make it to this level.... he cheated and broke the rules to get to college and through to the NFL... so in reality I dont think he would have any case at all....

As far as the person that leaked this... I dont know why anyone here is upset about that... that person exposed some crooked garbage going on, and this guy was too damn stupid to not leave a trail, and fwiw he wont feel the sting anywhere near as bad as those he left behind in college... the NCAA cant touch him now, but they can still smash the school and the coaches, and also the other players as well....

Draft day or not, I dont fault anyone for exposing this when and how they did... didnt seem tomatter to Tunstilat all.. yeah he dropped some spots, but does he really have anyone to blame but himself for being stupid enough to leave stuff like that around for other ppl to stumble across? Seems to me he didnt even really care he got caught up in it.. more concerned with his money and draft slot... guy is trash, and doesnt even care outside of how much of a hit his wallet took... and lets be real, he KNEW he was doing wrongthe entire time he was in school... so in short f*ck tunstil, and I applaud whoever put his business on public blast for everyone to see, regardless of their motives... nobody seems to care about the motives of tunstil while he was breaking the rules.....
 
You said nothing of substance, you simply pouted and said tell everyone to quit sports period. Why should others quit, because of others worth. Should everything be equal and shared...be careful? Why should they quit, because someone is willing to pay other college stars for their autograph. Nobody used the word GIVE, I said don't rob them of their worth...but hey, if you're a socialist and want everyone to quit, because of what football/basketball players may be worth, then I'm laughing at the hypocrisy of so called capitalist.

The entitled fan has it ruined for him, so sad ( I called it, before you said it). They are on campus for the same reason everyone else is, to get to the next level. They simply have more avenues available to them, then you do. And what? Of course they would go to school, everyone is not going to the next level. You're going to the extreme, because you have nothing of substance to add. This is America right. Too many hypocrites and circumstantial capitalist around here.
We disagree, but that's ok.
This isn't minor league professional football. I would be fine if the NFL had a development league, as many kids have no interest in getting an education.

You do realize that if college athletes were allowed to sign autographs for money, it would mean donors could pay them unlimited amounts. Even if the autograph had no value, a booster could pay thousands for it.
Boosters would be paying $50K for the autograph of 18 year olds every February. I can see the recruit comments now. Texas is cool, but they didn't show me enough love. I picked Ohio State because they really wanted me. They paid me 80 grand for a 1 hour autograph signing session. They really showed me the love.

If the top high end high school players went to a development league, no one would watch. Do minor league baseball games or D league basketball games even get shown on TV?

If there were millions of dollars to be made on 18 year old football players who are not associated with a college team with tons of fans, someone would have done it. Just get rid of the rule that kids have to wait 3 years to go the NFL. If they are good enough at 18, go to the NFL. If not, get developed for free until you are ready.

As far as my comment on sports other than football or men's basketball, I don't think the kids should quit. Just saying that if we basically make college sports professional, why have professional athletes that do nothing but loose money. College sports are either amatuer or professional.
 
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We disagree, but that's ok.
This isn't minor league professional football. I would be fine if the NFL had a development league, as many kids have no interest in getting an education.

You do realize that if college athletes were allowed to sign autographs for money, it would mean donors could pay them unlimited amounts. Even if the autograph had no value, a booster could pay thousands for it.
Boosters would be paying $50K for the autograph of 18 year olds every February.

If the top high end high school players went to a development league, no one would watch. Do minor league baseball games or D league basketball games even get shown on TV?

If there were millions of dollars to be made on 18 year old football players who are not associated with a college team with tons of fans, someone would have done it. Just get rid of the rule that kids have to wait 3 years to go the NFL. If they are good enough at 18, go to the NFL. If not, get developed for free until you are ready.

As far as my comment on sports other than football or men's basketball, I don't think the kids should quit. Just saying that if we basically make college sports professional, why have professional athletes that do nothing but loose money. College sports are either amatuer or professional.

Getting paid for autographs, doesn't equate to minor league, and they could easily put a cap on the amount of money, that they could receive. That 3 year rule is in place for a reason. The NFL would never allow that...that would be suicidal.
 
Getting paid for autographs, doesn't equate to minor league, and they could easily put a cap on the amount of money, that they could receive. That 3 year rule is in place for a reason. The NFL would never allow that...that would be suicidal.
Adrian Peterson could of played at 19, no problem. His freshman year, he was NFL good. It would be a terrible idea for 99.99 percent, but it would negate the argument that players have no other option but college ball.

Autographs could be paid in cash. Would be near impossible to hold guys to a cap. See Ole Miss.
 
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Adrian Peterson could of played at 19, no problem. His freshman year, he was NFL good.

Autographs could be paid in cash. Would be near impossible to hold guys to a cap. See Ole Miss.

AD was an anomaly, and most kids are 17 or 18 coming out of high school.

They could put a cap on it, and put rules in place to enforce it. It wouldn't be that difficult. You think trying to police them now, is easy. So let them get their worth...pay them or let them make their own money. There are several ways it can be done.
 
AD was an anomaly, and most kids are 17 or 18 coming out of high school.

They could put a cap on it, and put rules in place to enforce it. It wouldn't be that difficult. You think trying to police them now, is easy. So let them get their worth...pay them or let them make their own money. There are several ways it can be done.
Would you pay all athletes or just football and basketball? Most of the other athletes financial worth to the schools is negative. I am actually ok with a set amount for football and basketball players, but I am only talking pocket money - not big bucks.

Policing them is tough now. Just flat out paying them would not make it harder. Allowing paid autographs would make it near impossible. Since most would not be paying for the autograph, they would just use it as a way to funnel money to players.
 
Would you pay all athletes or just football and basketball? Most of the other athletes financial worth to the schools is negative. I am actually ok with a set amount for football and basketball players, but I am only talking pocket money - not big bucks.

Policing them is tough now. Just flat out paying them would not make it harder. Allowing paid autographs would make it near impossible. Since most would not be paying for the autograph, they would just use it as a way to funnel money to players.

"Using the inability to distribute the funds equally as an impediment is an excuse, a rather intellectually lazy one at that."

The excuse that it would be harder to police, is an excuse. I don't have any issues with your opinion being what it is, I just vehemently disagree with your stance. I can think of several reasons why they SHOULDN'T be paid by the school, but I think they should be allowed to make money in other ways.

Take a lil time to read the article below, then get back at me. Think about the new deals on the table, since 2011, when this article was written.

I used to argue vehemently against paying college athletes. Tuition, room, board and books were compensation enough. And even if, increasingly, it wasn't enough and virtually every kid who accepted a scholarship was in the red before Christmas of his freshman year, the notion of pay-for-play was at best a logistical nightmare. Where exactly would the money come from? How could you pay college football players but not baseball players or members of the women's field hockey team? And how in the world would you pay men in a way that wouldn't violate Title IX?

So you know what caused me to do a 180 on the issue? That $11 billion deal -- OK, it's $10.8 billion to be exact -- between the NCAA and CBS/Turner Sports for March Madness between 2011 and 2024. We're talking $11 billion for three weekends of television per year. On top of that, there's a new four-year deal with ESPN that pays the BCS $500 million. So, if those two deals were worth, say, a combined $10 billion instead of $11.3 billion, would the games not be televised? Would the quality of the broadcasts or the coverage or the staging of the events be somehow diminished? What if people in the business of money took $1.3 billion off the top, invested it, sheltered it and made it available to provide a stipend to college athletes, how could anybody stand on principal and argue against paying the people who make the events possible in the first place?

Let me declare up front I wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in distributing the funds equitably or even paying every college athlete. I'm interested in seeing the people who produce the revenue share a teeny, tiny slice of it. That's right, football and men's basketball players get paid; lacrosse, field hockey, softball, baseball, soccer players get nothing. You know what that's called? Capitalism. Not everything is equal, not everything is fair. The most distinguished professor at the University of Alabama won't make $5.9 million in his entire tenure in Tuscaloosa; Nick Saban will make that this year. So I don't want to hear that it's "unfair" to pay the quarterback of Alabama more than all the sociology students in the undergraduate college.

Using the inability to distribute the funds equally as an impediment is an excuse, a rather intellectually lazy one at that. Nothing about the way hundreds of millions of dollars is distributed is equitable or even fair. The BCS' new deal with ESPN was based, in part, on paying more money to schools/conferences with regard to what has been called "population centers." Of the $174 million distributed from five bowl games, 83.4 percent went to six conferences in 2011. In question right now is whether the BCS even conducts its business dealings in a manner consistent with principles expressed in federal anti-trust laws. So, the equitable-application excuse for not paying athletes doesn't hold water; at the very least there's a level of hypocrisy here that ought to make the opponents of paying athletes uncomfortable.


Don't get me wrong, paying players out of individual athletic department budgets is beyond impractical; it's probably not feasible. Because so many athletic departments run at a deficit, it's difficult to make the case that schools should pay regular salaries to athletes, even football players who produce more income than anybody. But it's another thing entirely for the students who play for revenue-producing teams (at UConn and the University of Tennessee, this would include the women's basketball teams) to be somehow compensated from the lucrative television/radio/Internet rights fees they make wholly possible.

In the meantime, if they cannot be paid outright, surely the scholarship athletes should be able to engage in entrepreneurial pursuits that currently leads to costly NCAA investigations that have proven to be mostly a waste of time since, one, such activities historically haven't been checked and, two, the kids who commit the "infractions" aren't effectively punished. Their revelations, short of Heisman Trophy winners having to return their statues, wind up penalizing only the kids and coaches who remain on the team and in the vast majority of cases have done nothing to merit a penalty themselves.


If somebody is willing to give A.J. Green $750 or $1,000 or even $2,500 for his Georgia Bulldogs jersey, fine, good. If one of his teammates, a tackle, can fetch only $50 for his jersey, then it'll be a good marketing lesson for both of them. It's called supply and demand, and if both men are fortunate enough to reach the NFL it'll be a lesson worth learning because that dynamic will exist their entire careers. If a soccer player can't get a dime for his jersey, well, there's a realization in that, too.

The question from the opponents of paying college athletes inevitably comes back, "What would stop a star player from agreeing to shake hands at a local car dealership for $50,000?" The answer is, nothing. If a car dealer wants to strike that deal then good for the player in question. If a music student goes out in the summer and earns 50 grand, who objects? Who even knows? The student-musician is no less a college student because he struck a lucrative deal. Neither is the student-journalist who spends his nights writing freelance stories and picking up as much money along the way as he can.

If the student as athlete can find a way, he/she should be able to endorse products, to have paid-speaking gigs, to sell memorabilia, as Allen Sack, the author and professor at the college of business at the University of New Haven has suggested in recent years. The best college athletes in the two revenue-producing sports have always been worth much more than tuition, room, board and books. The best football and basketball players in the Big Ten have produced to the degree that a television network has become the model for every conference in America, a network worth at least tens of millions of dollars to the member institutions. Yet, no player can benefit from that work. The players have become employees of the universities and conferences as much as students -- employees with no compensation, which not only violates common decency but perhaps even the law.
 
You said nothing of substance, you simply pouted and said tell everyone to quit sports period. Why should others quit, because of others worth. Should everything be equal and shared...be careful? Why should they quit, because someone is willing to pay other college stars for their autograph. Nobody used the word GIVE, I said don't rob them of their worth...but hey, if you're a socialist and want everyone to quit, because of what football/basketball players may be worth, then I'm laughing at the hypocrisy of so called capitalist.

The entitled fan has it ruined for him, so sad ( I called it, before you said it). They are on campus for the same reason everyone else is, to get to the next level. They simply have more avenues available to them, then you do. And what? Of course they would go to school, everyone is not going to the next level. You're going to the extreme, because you have nothing of substance to add. This is America right. Too many hypocrites and circumstantial capitalist around here.

Getting paid for autographs, doesn't equate to minor league, and they could easily put a cap on the amount of money, that they could receive. That 3 year rule is in place for a reason. The NFL would never allow that...that would be suicidal.

These two quotes tell me you are not thinking this through. If we went this route I'd prefer Texas to go the way of the Ivy league and no longer offer athletic scholarships. It wouldn't be amateur athletics it would be minor league professional athletics. Do you seriously want another NFL? It doesn't take long to go from under the table to outright pay for play.
 
These two quotes tell me you are not thinking this through. If we went this route I'd prefer Texas to go the way of the Ivy league and no longer offer athletic scholarships. It wouldn't be amateur athletics it would be minor league professional athletics. Do you seriously want another NFL? It doesn't take long to go from under the table to outright pay for play.

I've most definitely thought it through. Take a lil time to read the article below, then get back at me. Think about the new deals on the table, since 2011, when this article was written.

I used to argue vehemently against paying college athletes. Tuition, room, board and books were compensation enough. And even if, increasingly, it wasn't enough and virtually every kid who accepted a scholarship was in the red before Christmas of his freshman year, the notion of pay-for-play was at best a logistical nightmare. Where exactly would the money come from? How could you pay college football players but not baseball players or members of the women's field hockey team? And how in the world would you pay men in a way that wouldn't violate Title IX?

So you know what caused me to do a 180 on the issue? That $11 billion deal -- OK, it's $10.8 billion to be exact -- between the NCAA and CBS/Turner Sports for March Madness between 2011 and 2024. We're talking $11 billion for three weekends of television per year. On top of that, there's a new four-year deal with ESPN that pays the BCS $500 million. So, if those two deals were worth, say, a combined $10 billion instead of $11.3 billion, would the games not be televised? Would the quality of the broadcasts or the coverage or the staging of the events be somehow diminished? What if people in the business of money took $1.3 billion off the top, invested it, sheltered it and made it available to provide a stipend to college athletes, how could anybody stand on principal and argue against paying the people who make the events possible in the first place?

Let me declare up front I wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in distributing the funds equitably or even paying every college athlete. I'm interested in seeing the people who produce the revenue share a teeny, tiny slice of it. That's right, football and men's basketball players get paid; lacrosse, field hockey, softball, baseball, soccer players get nothing. You know what that's called? Capitalism. Not everything is equal, not everything is fair. The most distinguished professor at the University of Alabama won't make $5.9 million in his entire tenure in Tuscaloosa; Nick Saban will make that this year. So I don't want to hear that it's "unfair" to pay the quarterback of Alabama more than all the sociology students in the undergraduate college.

Using the inability to distribute the funds equally as an impediment is an excuse, a rather intellectually lazy one at that. Nothing about the way hundreds of millions of dollars is distributed is equitable or even fair. The BCS' new deal with ESPN was based, in part, on paying more money to schools/conferences with regard to what has been called "population centers." Of the $174 million distributed from five bowl games, 83.4 percent went to six conferences in 2011. In question right now is whether the BCS even conducts its business dealings in a manner consistent with principles expressed in federal anti-trust laws. So, the equitable-application excuse for not paying athletes doesn't hold water; at the very least there's a level of hypocrisy here that ought to make the opponents of paying athletes uncomfortable.

Don't get me wrong, paying players out of individual athletic department budgets is beyond impractical; it's probably not feasible. Because so many athletic departments run at a deficit, it's difficult to make the case that schools should pay regular salaries to athletes, even football players who produce more income than anybody. But it's another thing entirely for the students who play for revenue-producing teams (at UConn and the University of Tennessee, this would include the women's basketball teams) to be somehow compensated from the lucrative television/radio/Internet rights fees they make wholly possible.

In the meantime, if they cannot be paid outright, surely the scholarship athletes should be able to engage in entrepreneurial pursuits that currently leads to costly NCAA investigations that have proven to be mostly a waste of time since, one, such activities historically haven't been checked and, two, the kids who commit the "infractions" aren't effectively punished. Their revelations, short of Heisman Trophy winners having to return their statues, wind up penalizing only the kids and coaches who remain on the team and in the vast majority of cases have done nothing to merit a penalty themselves.

If somebody is willing to give A.J. Green $750 or $1,000 or even $2,500 for his Georgia Bulldogs jersey, fine, good. If one of his teammates, a tackle, can fetch only $50 for his jersey, then it'll be a good marketing lesson for both of them. It's called supply and demand, and if both men are fortunate enough to reach the NFL it'll be a lesson worth learning because that dynamic will exist their entire careers. If a soccer player can't get a dime for his jersey, well, there's a realization in that, too.

The question from the opponents of paying college athletes inevitably comes back, "What would stop a star player from agreeing to shake hands at a local car dealership for $50,000?" The answer is, nothing. If a car dealer wants to strike that deal then good for the player in question. If a music student goes out in the summer and earns 50 grand, who objects? Who even knows? The student-musician is no less a college student because he struck a lucrative deal. Neither is the student-journalist who spends his nights writing freelance stories and picking up as much money along the way as he can.

If the student as athlete can find a way, he/she should be able to endorse products, to have paid-speaking gigs, to sell memorabilia, as Allen Sack, the author and professor at the college of business at the University of New Haven has suggested in recent years. The best college athletes in the two revenue-producing sports have always been worth much more than tuition, room, board and books. The best football and basketball players in the Big Ten have produced to the degree that a television network has become the model for every conference in America, a network worth at least tens of millions of dollars to the member institutions. Yet, no player can benefit from that work. The players have become employees of the universities and conferences as much as students -- employees with no compensation, which not only violates common decency but perhaps even the law.
 
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That article is pushing a no cap system. It would get so crazy. The author made it seem like cars for handshakes was a fairy tale. Do you honesty believe rich old Aggies wouldn't loose their minds before getting out bid by rich old Horns, and vice versa. And what about kids that don't produce. Screw them, they took the money, they are out of here

It would be dirty, and fans would loose the illusion that these guys are student athletes. Just hired mercenaries.

I like college football more than the NFL. But it is not because of the quality of play. I think this plan would kill that.

And by the way, if many college football and men's basketball players were pulling 6 figures, and the girls got nothing (less than nothing, as money that would have gone to athletic departments would be more wisely spent on a $10K handshake with the LG). Holy shit. The world might come to an end.
 
That article is pushing a no cap system. It would get so crazy. The author made it seem like cars for handshakes was a fairy tale. Do you honesty believe rich old Aggies wouldn't loose their minds before getting out bid by rich old Horns, and vice versa. And what about kids that don't produce. Screw them, they took the money, they are out of here

It would be dirty, and fans would loose the illusion that these guys are student athletes. Just hired mercenaries.

I like college football more than the NFL. But it is not because of the quality of play. I think this plan would kill that.

And by the way, if many college football and men's basketball players were pulling 6 figures, and the girls got nothing (less than nothing, as money that would have gone to athletic departments would be more wisely spent on a $10K handshake with the LG). Holy shit. The world might come to an end.

Everything you said, was easily disputed in the article. You simply disagree, and don't want to see it. It's going to happen, sooner or later.

T"he student-musician is no less a college student because he struck a lucrative deal. Neither is the student-journalist who spends his nights writing freelance stories and picking up as much money along the way as he can."

Are they hired mercenaries? What's the difference? Why discriminate against athletes? Why make everything equal, what happened to capitalism? Why would the world come to an end, are you saying capitalism is evil? You like college football more than the NFL, but not because of quality play you say...so you like it more because they don't get paid...do you think they lose motivation to get to the next level, simply because they can make money in college...that assumption is based on what exactly. Everyone can't play in the NFL, the motivation is still there...but so is capitalism.
 
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Everything you said, was easily disputed in the article. You simply disagree, and don't want to see it. It's going to happen, sooner or later.

T"he student-musician is no less a college student because he struck a lucrative deal. Neither is the student-journalist who spends his nights writing freelance stories and picking up as much money along the way as he can."

Are they hired mercenaries? What's the difference? Why discriminate against athletes? Why make everything equal, what happened to capitalism? Why would the world come to an end, are you saying capitalism is evil? You like college football more than the NFL, but not because of quality play you say...so you like it more because they don't get paid...do you think they lose motivation to get to the next level, simply because they can make money in college...that assumption is based on what exactly. Everyone can't play in the NFL, the motivation is still there...but so is capitalism.
Capitalism is far from evil. Athletes would still want to go to the NFL. I like college football better because the kids got to pick a school based on love for the school. Not because they pay better than other schools.
If ladies sports were treated fairly in a purely financial sense, it would cause a major shit storm. Why? Because ladies sports make no financial sense. Who would UCONN and Tennessee play if only profitable schools had a team? Why would schools keep teams that loose money? Especially when dollars that used to go to the school were allowed to go to the players. Athletic budgets would drop, and revenue producers would not be cut.

Also, big time football schools would no longer have actual scholarship limitations. They could have donors adopt a player, and pay his way.
 
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Getting paid for autographs, doesn't equate to minor league, and they could easily put a cap on the amount of money, that they could receive. That 3 year rule is in place for a reason. The NFL would never allow that...that would be suicidal.
If the argument is "capitalism - let the free market decide" -- then why would you put a cap on the amount of money?
 
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Capitalism is far from evil. Athletes would still want to go to the NFL. I like college football better because the kids got to pick a school based on love for the school. Not because they pay better than other schools.
If ladies sports were treated fairly in a purely financial sense, it would cause a major shit storm. Why? Because ladies sports make no financial sense. Who would UCONN and Tennessee play if only profitable schools had a team? Why would schools keep teams that loose money? Especially when dollars that used to go to the school were allowed to go to the players. Athletic budgets would drop, and revenue producers would not be cut.

Also, big time football schools would no longer have actual scholarship limitations. They could have donors adopt a player, and pay his way.
It is not often that I agree with an aggy but in this case I do. mm42 must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. I could not disagree more with Texxxas..he is just dead wrong. If you paid players what they bring in terms of value to the school then like mm said all the other sports except BB and Football would be G O N E. Not a hard thing to grasp. Then not all schools even break even now. It would be NFL Lite.
 
Actually, all schools should hope players aren't allowed to be paid in college like free agents.

Daddy has more money than the Catholic curch......
 
Capitalism is far from evil. Athletes would still want to go to the NFL. I like college football better because the kids got to pick a school based on love for the school. Not because they pay better than other schools.
If ladies sports were treated fairly in a purely financial sense, it would cause a major shit storm. Why? Because ladies sports make no financial sense. Who would UCONN and Tennessee play if only profitable schools had a team? Why would schools keep teams that loose money? Especially when dollars that used to go to the school were allowed to go to the players. Athletic budgets would drop, and revenue producers would not be cut.

Also, big time football schools would no longer have actual scholarship limitations. They could have donors adopt a player, and pay his way.

The logic of loving it, because they play for free, doesn't move me. We'll agree to disagree, enjoyed the convo.
 
It is not often that I agree with an aggy but in this case I do. mm42 must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. I could not disagree more with Texxxas..he is just dead wrong. If you paid players what they bring in terms of value to the school then like mm said all the other sports except BB and Football would be G O N E. Not a hard thing to grasp. Then not all schools even break even now. It would be NFL Lite.

Saying I'm dead wrong is simply arrogant...you can disagree, and that's that. Everything you said was easily disputed in the article above, and they were easy concepts to grasp. Apparently you didn't read it, or you would not have spoke about the school paying players their worth, and not being able to break even. Like Wilbon said, people are being intellectually lazy. I said above that I can also think of several reasons the school shouldn't pay them, so it has nothing to do with breaking even and the school paying them directly. Trying reading, then get back at me. If you disagree, so be it. But they will eventually get paid, like it or not. Thank God for change. To many prejudices toward student athletes; music students are free to accept cash and gifts. But how dare a student athlete, taint the fake purity, of fanatics.
 
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Saying I'm dead wrong is simply arrogant...you can disagree, and that's that. Everything you said was easily disputed in the article above, and they were easy concepts to grasp. Apparently you didn't read it, or you would not have spoke about the school paying players their worth, and not being able to break even. Like Wilbon said, people are being intellectually lazy. Read the article and get back to me fella, I said above that I can also think of several reasons the school shouldn't pay them. So it has nothing to do with breaking even and the school paying them directly. Trying reading, then get back at me. If you disagree, so be it. But they will eventually get paid, like it or not. Thank God for change.
I read the article. It was the authors opinion. Not sure quoting someone's opinion makes it fact. He changed his opinion over time, so why is it factual now. My guess is because you agree with it. You aren't necessarily wrong, but calling others arrogant who disagree is no way to win an arguement.
You still have not explained what happens to non-revenue sports. Do they loose their scholarships? If not, might not want to base your opinion on pure capitalism. If yes, help me understand how the politics would work. Feminists would pitch a fit. And I wouldn't blame them, even if I don't watch those sports.
 
Saying I'm dead wrong is simply arrogant...you can disagree, and that's that. Everything you said was easily disputed in the article above, and they were easy concepts to grasp. Apparently you didn't read it, or you would not have spoke about the school paying players their worth, and not being able to break even. Like Wilbon said, people are being intellectually lazy. I said above that I can also think of several reasons the school shouldn't pay them, so it has nothing to do with breaking even and the school paying them directly. Trying reading, then get back at me. If you disagree, so be it. But they will eventually get paid, like it or not. Thank God for change. To many prejudices toward student athletes; music students are free to accept cash and gifts. But how dare a student athlete, taint the fake purity, of fanatics.


Think you are missing the point entirely dude.... paying players as discussed in your article you keep pimping, will inevitably be the death knell in college athletics. Once you are paying them then they are no longer amateur athletes, they are paid professionals. And once you can offer them money, then the small schools drop all forms of athletics, as do most of the lower tiered Div I schools... it would kill collegiate sports, period....
 
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Saying I'm dead wrong is simply arrogant...you can disagree, and that's that. Everything you said was easily disputed in the article above, and they were easy concepts to grasp. Apparently you didn't read it, or you would not have spoke about the school paying players their worth, and not being able to break even. Like Wilbon said, people are being intellectually lazy. I said above that I can also think of several reasons the school shouldn't pay them, so it has nothing to do with breaking even and the school paying them directly. Trying reading, then get back at me. If you disagree, so be it. But they will eventually get paid, like it or not. Thank God for change. To many prejudices toward student athletes; music students are free to accept cash and gifts. But how dare a student athlete, taint the fake purity, of fanatics.
D E A D W R O N G Not about purity or any of that other crap you have said. If you pay the people who only make the money then ALL the other sports are GONE. None of that other stuff even matters.
 
Think you are missing the point entirely dude.... paying players as discussed in your article you keep pimping, will inevitably be the death knell in college athletics. Once you are paying them then they are no longer amateur athletes, they are paid professionals. And once you can offer them money, then the small schools drop all forms of athletics, as do most of the lower tiered Div I schools... it would kill collegiate sports, period....
It seem he thinks this is only an opinion instead of reality.
 
D E A D W R O N G Not about purity or any of that other crap you have said. If you pay the people who only make the money then ALL the other sports are GONE. None of that other stuff even matters.

Are you arguing with yourself? Is the Aggie the only one that can read and follow along? The debate WAS not about the school paying them directly. I'm not even in your debate, you're fighting with yourself. Read the article, or keep debating yourself, about something I'm not on.
 
Think you are missing the point entirely dude.... paying players as discussed in your article you keep pimping, will inevitably be the death knell in college athletics. Once you are paying them then they are no longer amateur athletes, they are paid professionals. And once you can offer them money, then the small schools drop all forms of athletics, as do most of the lower tiered Div I schools... it would kill collegiate sports, period....

I can't imagine how one can read that article, and still come back and repeat that same tired ole line.
 
I read the article. It was the authors opinion. Not sure quoting someone's opinion makes it fact. He changed his opinion over time, so why is it factual now. My guess is because you agree with it. You aren't necessarily wrong, but calling others arrogant who disagree is no way to win an arguement.
You still have not explained what happens to non-revenue sports. Do they loose their scholarships? If not, might not want to base your opinion on pure capitalism. If yes, help me understand how the politics would work. Feminists would pitch a fit. And I wouldn't blame them, even if I don't watch those sports.

And calling me dead wrong is a way to win an argument? Cause and effect.
 
And calling me dead wrong is a way to win an argument? Cause and effect.
I'll give you that point. Calling names never convinces anyone. But your opinion is in the minority, makes it more important that you are rational, factual, and stay away from name calling folks in the majority opinion.

Carson Wentz and Jarrod Goff were the top amatuer QB'S last year. Pretty sure who ever is the QB at Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, etc... would be paid 100X in autograph fees more than what Wentz would have gotten. And it wouldn't be because they were worth more, it would be the school they play for that drives their worth. If the uniform drives your worth, the owner of that uniform is going to get the cheese.
 
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I can't imagine how one can read that article, and still come back and repeat that same tired ole line.


Ummm maybe bc it is REALITY... just bc you feel this guys OPINION is accurate doesnt mean it is corretc by any stretch. Once the gates are opened or players to be paid, then they will go to where the most money and most exposure is... as that begins to become the norm, little by little the smaller schools and teams will fall of the map, and then drop the sports... as it sprads faster and picks up steam you will see a landscape of collegiate athetics where only a handful of teams with history on their side will een be able to field a team in any sport... and so what is there are more players coming out of highschool to fill the gaps - if thee are no more teams to play for bc they couldnt draw in talent, then bu the time a backlog of eligible and talented players builds up they will have NOWHERE to go bc rosters will be full at the few schools that were able to keep and maintain a program.... this isnt rocket science it is a simple matter of looking at economics and viability of programs at smaller schools... especially when you factor in the greed and prestige factor these kids will be pushing to get the biggest buck for their bang so to speak...

You talk about a good marketing lesson between the O-lineman and the RB selling their jerseys for different amounts - THAT is what will kill it all off bc after awhile nobody is gonna want to go anywhere they cant get exposure or cash..... schools cant field teams bc they can provide either to the degree the athletes want, and before anyone knows it, the athletes no longer have ANYWHERE to go unless they are the absolute best of the best of the best.....

I can picture a scenario in your narrow minded world where maybe 24 colleges are able to filed teams in any one sport - IF that due to this type of thinking... if you cant or wont see it then you are truly blind and/or ignorant. Players may wind up getting paid, but it will have to be a regulated structure that pays evenly across the board for ALL athletes depending on sport they play.. if it isnt then you can kiss collegiate athletics goodbye...

and that is a FACT. disagree all you want, but it is the truth and anyone who understands economics, supply/demand and the greed of people can see I am speaking the truth.
 
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It is your opinion. Several coaches and many others also think they should be allowed to make money. It's coming.
Yeah they do think they should be able to make money - on a structured basis... and lets be real a coach would agree to players being able to get paid just so they could throw cash at anyone they want in order to land a LOI... ANY coach would agree.. but I am sure most would be reasonable and say it needed to be an equal structure.. but feel free to post any links where coaches feelk players should be able to get paid out the ass and be unregulated.. I would love to see it... but I know you wont be able to find any coaches saying that...
 
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I'll give you that point. Calling names never convinces anyone. But your opinion is in the minority, makes it more important that you are rational, factual, and stay away from name calling folks in the majority opinion.

Carson Wentz and Jarrod Goff were the top amatuer QB'S last year. Pretty sure who ever is the QB at Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, etc... would be paid 100X in autograph fees more than what Wentz would have gotten. And it wouldn't be because they were worth more, it would be the school they play for that drives their worth. If the uniform drives your worth, the owner of that uniform is going to get the cheese.

It's in the minority in this thread. It's in the minority with older people. It will change, like it or not.
 
Ummm maybe bc it is REALITY... just bc you feel this guys OPINION is accurate doesnt mean it is corretc by any stretch. Once the gates are opened or players to be paid, then they will go to where the most money and most exposure is... as that begins to become the norm, little by little the smaller schools and teams will fall of the map, and then drop the sports... as it sprads faster and picks up steam you will see a landscape of collegiate athetics where only a handful of teams with history on their side will een be able to field a team in any sport... and so what is there are more players coming out of highschool to fill the gaps - if thee are no more teams to play for bc they couldnt draw in talent, then bu the time a backlog of eligible and talented players builds up they will have NOWHERE to go bc rosters will be full at the few schools that were able to keep and maintain a program.... this isnt rocket science it is a simple matter of looking at economics and viability of programs at smaller schools... especially when you factor in the greed and prestige factor these kids will be pushing to get the biggest buck for their bang so to speak...

You talk about a good marketing lesson between the O-lineman and the RB selling their jerseys for different amounts - THAT is what will kill it all off bc after awhile nobody is gonna want to go anywhere they cant get exposure or cash..... schools cant field teams bc they can provide either to the degree the athletes want, and before anyone knows it, the athletes no longer have ANYWHERE to go unless they are the absolute best of the best of the best.....

I can picture a scenario in your narrow minded world where maybe 24 colleges are able to filed teams in any one sport - IF that due to this type of thinking... if you cant or wont see it then you are truly blind and/or ignorant. Players may wind up getting paid, but it will have to be a regulated structure that pays evenly across the board for ALL athletes depending on sport they play.. if it isnt then you can kiss collegiate athletics goodbye...

and that is a FACT. disagree all you want, but it is the truth and anyone who understands economics, supply/demand and the greed of people can see I am speaking the truth.

You called me narrow minded, do you not see the irony in that, after that trash you just spewed. Nothing you stated is truth, it's an opinion. Come on fella. We'll just keep it pushing, nobody is going to budge on their opinion. But they will eventually get a piece of the pie. Thank God for change.
 
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Yeah they do think they should be able to make money - on a structured basis... and lets be real a coach would agree to players being able to get paid just so they could throw cash at anyone they want in order to land a LOI... ANY coach would agree.. but I am sure most would be reasonable and say it needed to be an equal structure.. but feel free to post any links where coaches feelk players should be able to get paid out the ass and be unregulated.. I would love to see it... but I know you wont be able to find any coaches saying that...

Do you really not see the fallacy in what you typed? And whats with the hyperbole? Intellectually lazy, indeed.
 
I'll give you that point. Calling names never convinces anyone. But your opinion is in the minority, makes it more important that you are rational, factual, and stay away from name calling folks in the majority opinion.

Carson Wentz and Jarrod Goff were the top amatuer QB'S last year. Pretty sure who ever is the QB at Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, etc... would be paid 100X in autograph fees more than what Wentz would have gotten. And it wouldn't be because they were worth more, it would be the school they play for that drives their worth. If the uniform drives your worth, the owner of that uniform is going to get the cheese.

The uniform is only worth that much, because of the individual in the uniform. VY would have got money regardless of the jersey, same with most...the jersey pursued them for a reason. Because of THEIR worth to them. You think we'll watch scrubs play. Let another avenue come available, and we would go with what entertains us the most.
 
It's in the minority in this thread. It's in the minority with older people. It will change, like it or not.
It might change. Won't make it a good idea. You might see that your opinion changes once you get more life experience. A college classroom is a lot different than the real world. Give it time, we all thought we had it figured out in our 20's.
 
Just a few things. The NCAA made no money off of the BCS and it doesn't make any money off of the college football playoffs, bowls or any division 1 college football games. The NCAA only makes money off of the events that it host. The NCAA tournament is the major revenue generator for NCAA but where does the money go? Almost 90% of that money goes back to the member institutions. The biggest chunk goes to the 32 conferences that play in the tournament, followed by the actual team members. The other thing that not many people know is that if a team or individual qualify for a national playoff tournament or meet then the NCAA will pay for all the travel expenses. Basically every sport but division 1 football is covered. The money to play for travel comes from the basketball TV contract.
 
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