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[bubba2023]

I don't know what you are defining a system QB as, nor what your version of success in the NFL is. If it's spread then yes there are what I consider to be successful versions of spread QBs in the NFL.

The best example of what I think you are referring to as a system QB that has had the pinnacle of success in the NFL is Aaron Rodgers. Your system nonsense was what was being said 10+ years ago when he was coming out. Fast forward to now and it makes even less sense as the spread and all it's forms is everywhere in college. So it's inevitable that spread QBs are going to have success in the NFL because spread QBs are going to make up the overwhelming majority of the talent pool.
You can make a list of QBs in the NFL and there are college spread guys on it and that list is doing nothing but growing.

There are plenty of other spread QBs in the NFL. Not sure what your level of success is. Cam Newton would be the next guy up.

 

[clob94]

Tom Brady was a drop back, pocket passer at Michigan.

Meh...... but the argument can be made that the belechek system has been successful. It's all abject argumentative BS as to what a "system" really is.

 

[LonghornMM]

"Your system nonsense". Apparently you can't have a civil discussion without showing respect to someone with an opinion that differs from yours without turning to insults. I've already explained to you what I consider a "system" offense, and asked you to provide the QB's who have found success in the NFL. You have mentioned only Aaron Rodgers and Cam Newton. If you don't like my take on the subject, feel free to not respond or comment on my posts about the subject. It's not that difficult for most people to have a civil, respectful back and forth discussion on something like this.

 

[oldhorn2]

Drew Breeze?...Cam Newton?...

 

[dj701919]

Forgot.

pic.twitter.com/CgLGYZqq1u

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...-in-end-zone-video/1imvyapuyncot15duvnz7c4nh5

And that is the rest of the story.

 

[Scholz]

"Say what you want about Mayfield..."

OK, he's a complete douchebag.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

"Your system nonsense". Apparently you can't have a civil discussion without showing respect to someone with an opinion that differs from yours without turning to insults. I've already explained to you what I consider a "system" offense, and asked you to provide the QB's who have found success in the NFL. You have mentioned only Aaron Rodgers and Cam Newton. If you don't like my take on the subject, feel free to not respond or comment on my posts about the subject. It's not that difficult for most people to have a civil, respectful back and forth discussion on something like this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_quarterback

 

[HornDrummer]

Again, BM didn’t play in a system, he played scramble drill. Also, I get the feeling he isn’t very coachable.

 

[bubba2023]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_quarterback

So spread QBs aren't successful in the NFL? I would call that nonsense for sure.

 

[cml7374]

"System QB" seriously bubba every Texas Tech QB that threw for 10,000 yards in a year and only had 6 offensive plays to learn in the playbook......that is a "system QB". If that isnt a "system QB" then im sure you can explain why every Tech QB under Leach was plugged in and threw for record setting yards year in and year out but for some odd reason the NFL isnt littered with Mike Leach record setting system QBs.

 

[bubba2023]

"System QB" seriously bubba every Texas Tech QB that threw for 10,000 yards in a year and only had 6 offensive plays to learn in the playbook......that is a "system QB". If that isnt a "system QB" then im sure you can explain why every Tech QB under Leach was plugged in and threw for record setting yards year in and year out but for some odd reason the NFL isnt littered with Mike Leach record setting system QBs.

Mayfield isn't a Leach QB though, and the NFL is littered with college spread aka "system" QBs. The idea is outdated because the spread has evolved a ton and so has the NFL. 20 years ago yeah it made sense to describe the Leach QBs as system QBs because they had little arm or physical talent but you had to reconcile their statistics. The spread encompasses so much more than a Mike Leach offense these days, and the best QBs are often running offenses with a lot of spread based principles. The NFL can't survive on only drafting QBs from traditional offenses. Spread aka "system" QBs have had success in the NFL. No, Tech QBs haven't, but that doesn't mean spread aka "system" QBs haven't.

I am not saying Mayfield is going to be great in the NFL just that the system QB argument doesn't make sense. He has actual physical tools and arm talent. He wasn't only successful because his offense preyed on weaker schools. He's played big time programs and shown those physical tools.

 

[RoboCocks21]

We will see how Mahomes does to finally get an argument about a Tech qb

 

[LonghornMM]

Meh, I haven't seen any "system" QB's have any real, sustainable success in the NFL. Yes, the NFL has evolved with some of the spread type play calling spilling over into the league to some degree, and most likely at some point, "system" QB's will find success, but for the most part, none have found much success. I guess Scam Newton would be the best example of a guy who has found success, but he's not very consistent.

 

[bubba2023]

We will see how Mahomes does to finally get an argument about a Tech qb

He could simply suck because he isn't good enough regardless of what system he ran in college. It's not like plenty of pro style QBs haven't flat out sucked in the NFL. There is more than one variable in the equation.

 

[bubba2023]

Meh, I haven't seen any "system" QB's have any real, sustainable success in the NFL. Yes, the NFL has evolved with some of the spread type play calling spilling over into the league to some degree, and most likely at some point, "system" QB's will find success, but for the most part, none have found much success. I guess Scam Newton would be the best example of a guy who has found success, but he's not very consistent.

Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, Cam Newton. Younger guys looking good Jared Goff and DeShaun White.

If Cam Newton is not a successful NFL QB in your mind, then your bar is too high, and I would then take the under of any QB regardless college being a success by your standards.

 

[bubba2023]

Like I said above there are so many variables that need to go in your favor to make great NFL QB. What you did in college is just one of them. There are plenty of QBs that have come from spread offenses and had success by my standards. There aren't a lot that have won MVPs and Superbowls, but if that is your bar for success you could say that about every QB drafted and be right 99 out of 100 times. Plenty have carved out decent careers though.

 

[Mister Moses]

Baker won so much hardware this year, I ain’t thinking he cares about your opinion. The truth is Oklahoma over achieved while Baker played there. Sooner board fans are demanding Lincoln fire Mike. They just signed 9 defensive players in the early signing period. That would be a bad move now. I’m enjoying the boards especially SS. Damn they are a brilliant bunch. This board is having fun because OU got beat. That figures from fans of a 7-6 team that throttled mighty Missouri forced to use a first time offfensive play caller. Back to comparing hardware again. I’m sorry if this offends anyone. This is the only board I post on. Anyway you need to get better to talk smack. It’s meaniless at the present time.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Baker won so much hardware this year, I ain’t thinking he cares about your opinion. The truth is Oklahoma over achieved while Baker played there. Sooner board fans are demanding Lincoln fire Mike. They just signed 9 defensive players in the early signing period. That would be a bad move now. I’m enjoying the boards especially SS. Damn they are a brilliant bunch. This board is having fun because OU got beat. That figures from fans of a 7-6 team that throttled mighty Missouri forced to use a first time offfensive play caller. Back to comparing hardware again. I’m sorry if this offends anyone. This is the only board I post on. Anyway you need to get better to talk smack. It’s meaniless at the present time.

Seems you're the one that got offended since you wrote a paragraph about us talking smack on our board about a rival.

 

[LonghornMM]

Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, Cam Newton. Younger guys looking good Jared Goff and DeShaun White.

If Cam Newton is not a successful NFL QB in your mind, then your bar is too high, and I would then take the under of any QB regardless college being a success by your standards.

We just have different opinions on QB's who ran the spread in college and their training/skill set, or lack of, transferring to the NFL. No big deal. IMO a QB that runs more of a prototypical, drop back under center style in college has a much better chance to succeed in the NFL than a spread QB that never goes under center, runs around and plays sand lot football. A big part of spread QB's success in college is running around all over the field, and no QB will stay healthy in the NFL if that is part of their game. Not to say that some won't find success, but until the NFL adapts spread offenses, they have an uphill climb.

 

[bubba2023]

I don't disagree with that then, everything else being equal I would pick the guy who ran an offense most similar to the team that was drafting him. Things are rarely equal though and given success at QB relies so much on the mental processing rather than actual physical ability it's a total crapshoot with the limited foresight to the mental side.

 

[bubba2023]

Running as a QB is starting to find more of a place in the NFL with the expanded protection rules. It will never be like the college game because the disparity in athleticism isn't there, but it's finding it's niche. The trick is developing the correct instincts to run in the NFL, and having a smart enough coach to weaponize it. None of those are givens.

 

[LonghornMM]

Running as a QB is starting to find more of a place in the NFL with the expanded protection rules. It will never be like the college game because the disparity in athleticism isn't there, but it's finding it's niche. The trick is developing the correct instincts to run in the NFL, and having a smart enough coach to weaponize it. None of those are givens.

I agree with this somewhat. Russell Wilson has shown this in his game and has managed to stay fairly injury free during his career. I attribute that to him being a very smart guy. He rarely takes a straight on hit.

However, even big guys like Cam, VY and Big Ben have incurred significant injuries by running. Having good scrambling skills is a huge asset at any level, but if I'm an NFL coach, I don't want my QB running much. QB's are much too valuable to risk injury by having them run the ball against the level of guys playing in the NFL.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

I agree with this somewhat. Russell Wilson has shown this in his game and has managed to stay fairly injury free during his career. I attribute that to him being a very smart guy. He rarely takes a straight on hit.

However, even big guys like Cam, VY and Big Ben have incurred significant injuries by running. Having good scrambling skills is a huge asset at any level, but if I'm an NFL coach, I don't want my QB running much. QB's are much too valuable to risk injury by having them run the ball against the level of guys playing in the NFL.

I think extending plays is what keeps you alive but straight running all the time will get you killed. I'm hoping Deshawn will be more of an extender not a runner and drafting an OL will keep these scrambling QBs just that and not an RB that can throw.

 

[bubba2023]

I agree with this somewhat. Russell Wilson has shown this in his game and has managed to stay fairly injury free during his career. I attribute that to him being a very smart guy. He rarely takes a straight on hit.

However, even big guys like Cam, VY and Big Ben have incurred significant injuries by running. Having good scrambling skills is a huge asset at any level, but if I'm an NFL coach, I don't want my QB running much. QB's are much too valuable to risk injury by having them run the ball against the level of guys playing in the NFL.

Ideally absolutely, but if you are an NFL coach you've got to take what you can get because QBs that can win on this level don't grow on trees, and not all of them come in the traditional pocket passer mold. Unless your fan base is one that will put up with you constantly losing giving you several chances with top picks.

 

[speedstrength]

Being sucessful in the NFL requires a QB to sit in the pocket and go through your progressions. The hardest part is throwing to spots on the field where guys who aren't open might end up being open for a split second. Becuase of the NFL hash marks there are no easy reads and the NFL refs spot the ball much slower than the college refs so there is no chance of getting vanallia looks on defense. Not saying Mayfield can't be sucessful in that type of setting but guys under 6 ft are more of the exception than the rule.

 

[cml7374]

"Baker won so much hardware this year, I ain’t thinking he cares about your opinion. The truth is Oklahoma over achieved while Baker played there. Sooner board fans are demanding Lincoln fire Mike. They just signed 9 defensive players in the early signing period. That would be a bad move now. I’m enjoying the boards especially SS. Damn they are a brilliant bunch. This board is having fun because OU got beat. That figures from fans of a 7-6 team that throttled mighty Missouri forced to use a first time offfensive play caller. Back to comparing hardware again. I’m sorry if this offends anyone. This is the only board I post on. Anyway you need to get better to talk smack. It’s meaniless at the present time."

I wouldnt say ou "over achieved" while Mayfield was there......ou seems to start out hyped up by the media and in the polls just about every year. Granted only one team can win the national championship so theres no shame in ou losing in the playoffs.....nor is there no shame in ou having one national championship (the same exact amount TEXAS has while being in the BIG XII together.....TEXAS title being the more recent of the two) with all those conference titles. Sure i wish TEXAS had a few more conference championships but i would like to think they would've had more than 1 national championship if they were winning all those conference championships ou was winning. So did ou really over achieve while Mayfield was there or is it the same sooner teams underachieving on the big stage again? Big game bob or Lincoln.....still same results in big games.

 

[Scholz]

The truth is Oklahoma over achieved while Baker played there.

Ehh. You guys own the conference, there's no doubt about that. But I've got to think you have to be getting tired of settling for conference titles, no? I have the feeling your fanbase is mad you squandered having that baller at QB with never grabbing the big one.

 

[Belldozer1]

Ehh. You guys own the conference, there's no doubt about that. But I've got to think you have to be getting tired of settling for conference titles, no? I have the feeling your fanbase is mad you squandered having that baller at QB with never grabbing the big one.

I’ve never been one for outright calling for a coach’s head but enough is enough with Mike Stoops. Good grief. No pressure, 3 man fronts, 240lb linebacker playing end and expected to hold the edge in our “4-3”. Etc. Etc. The game passed both Stoops bros. by in my opinion.

 

[Scholz]

I’ve never been one for outright calling for a coach’s head but enough is enough with Mike Stoops. Good grief. No pressure, 3 man fronts, 240lb linebacker playing end and expected to hold the edge in our “4-3”. Etc. Etc. The game passed both Stoops bros. by in my opinion.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

NFL = Peyton Manning type QB. Smart & strong arm to make all throws. That’s the ideal NFL QB.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

The game passed both Stoops bros. by in my opinion.

Think you’re a little hard on Bobby. Six 10+ win seasons in his last seven (three of those with 11 wins and one with 12) is pretty elite performance. Good for fifth among all P5 programs, actually. I think he and OU slipped in recruiting more than anything.

 

[Belldozer1]

Think you’re a little hard on Bobby. Six 10+ win seasons in his last seven (three of those with 11 wins and one with 12) is pretty elite performance. Good for fifth among all P5 programs, actually. I think he and OU slipped in recruiting more than anything.

True but he did not have the fire to be a NC coach imo. Stoops knew the direction he wanted to go but wasn’t totally dedicated to get there anymore. Also, there’s no way he’s not still talking to Mike and putting his input in. He was okay with Mikes schemes the last couple years so I’m sure he still thinks Mikes scheme is sufficient.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Jake Trotter ESPN Staff Writer
Former Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield, who attended the OU-Texas basketball game Saturday, was asked about the Red River Showdown. He didn't mince words about the Longhorns: "You come to Oklahoma to beat Texas. I was born and raised in Austin. They didn't recruit me. I grew up 15 miles from their campus. I can't stand them. Anything they do, I don't care. I talked to the NFL guys and they said I need to calm it down a little bit. But when it comes to Texas, absolutely not. No. end of story."

 

[RoboCocks21]

Sour a$$ sissy boy

 

[LonghornMM]

Jake Trotter ESPN Staff Writer
Former Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield, who attended the OU-Texas basketball game Saturday, was asked about the Red River Showdown. He didn't mince words about the Longhorns: "You come to Oklahoma to beat Texas. I was born and raised in Austin. They didn't recruit me. I grew up 15 miles from their campus. I can't stand them. Anything they do, I don't care. I talked to the NFL guys and they said I need to calm it down a little bit. But when it comes to Texas, absolutely not. No. end of story."

Screw Mayfield. I hope he gets his ass kicked when he visits Austin. Dude will be a bust in the NFL. Mark it down.