Mike Gundy tells CBS Sports ending Longhorn Network is key to Big 12's future

[outhereincali]

I'm tired of all this arrogant blather about the LHN and telling everyone else to build up their own brand nonsense. What's all this building up or own brand crap done on the field of play the last six years? NOTHING.

We do all this expanding, make all these improvements, we pay for it because the ticket prices go up. What happened. NOTHING And we wonder why our athletic department is 6 million in the red.

And the man I personally hold responsible for all this is Deloss Dodds. He's sitting somewhere in Austin, richer than croesus, no one in the Texas media who was ever willing to stand up to him, taking bows telling himself he did great. I don't care if there's longhorn gear at the local Target out here in the Golden State. What does it translate to on the field of play.

Let me put it another way. ND has had their own network with NBC for 25 years now. Everyone knows they do all their home games. But after Lou Holtz retired their fb program went into the tank and only in the last couple of years has their fb program shown signs of bouncing back. All this special tv exposure does nothing if the athletic department is mediocre.

My lord the more I talk about this the more sympathy I have for Mike Perrin. I think I'm going to have to call the Mormon temples in Oakland and Sacramento and put him in the prayer rolls the man's going to need it.

 

[Scholz]

Sure did... But lost 7 games. But hey as long as UT beats OU all is good in recruiting. Lol

Still can't read I see.

 

[cwillfromdatx]

To me this reeks of arrogance, I hope you do go independent because you refuse to give. Then OU drops you like a bad habit no more RRR. That would Kill UT. Some of you think UT is Notre Dame....I have news for you it's not even close.

UT is UT. It can go indy, stay in the conference or switch conferences but no matter what. It will be one of the marquee schools in the country. This not arrogance. Its the TRUTH. Do you actually thinks that no RRR would kill UT? I don't think so. Its many other schools that would love to play UT. If you think no power school would play UT then your blind.

 

[outhereincali]

Sure did... But lost 7 games. But hey as long as UT beats OU all is good in recruiting. Lol

Homeboy your school has done nothing to make the Big XII proud in fb the last two years. Last month your school signed only four players from Texas and the sooners have recruited in Texas for 70 years. You had two defections from Texas players in the last week one of them was Baylor. Baylor!!! A lot of good your Big XII title did with the hs kids in Texas. Your fb teams future will depend on the 4* players from the other states your team is signing. Come back next weekend and tell me about your bb team.

Oh I almost forgot. I just got off the phone with Brent Venables. He wants to say hi to everyone back in Oklahoma.

 

[sooner_mike]

UT is UT. It can go indy, stay in the conference or switch conferences but no matter what. It will be one of the marquee schools in the country. This not arrogance. Its the TRUTH. Do you actually thinks that no RRR would kill UT? I don't think so. Its many other schools that would love to play UT. If you think no power school would play UT then your blind.

Oh there's no doubt that a power team would play UT. But UT losing one of the biggest games in it's storied history because of arrogance. Would absolutely hurt UT....and down goes sales. Like I said please go independent.

 

[sooner_mike]

Homeboy your school has done nothing to make the Big XII proud in fb the last two years. Last month your school signed only four players from Texas and the sooners have recruited in Texas for 70 years. You had two defections from Texas players in the last week one of them was Baylor. Baylor!!! A lot of good your Big XII title did with the hs kids in Texas. Your fb teams future will depend on the 4* players from the other states your team is signing. Come back next weekend and tell me about your bb team.

Oh I almost forgot. I just got off the phone with Brent Venables. He wants to say hi to everyone back in Oklahoma.

Well home-boy the big 12 champs say hi. Also you have to play in a Bowl game to lose one. Some of you make this way to easy.

 

[westx]

I have always complemented on Mike Gundy and still think he is a very good coach. But, he should focus on beating ou. LHN hasn't negatively affected osu one bit. ou has been his only problem.

 

[outhereincali]

Well home-boy the big 12 champs say hi. Also you have to play in a Bowl game to lose one. Some of you make this way to easy.

And I'm sure that after 17 years of bowl games a w/l record of 8/9 to be exact saying that at least you got there is starts to get stale. Watching Baylor, TCU, and Oklahoma in bowl games clearly shows that the only reason Oklahoma won the Big XII was because the starting qb's at Baylor and TCU were injured when they played Oklahoma. Actually if it wasn't for a truly athletic, heroic play by Oklahoma's Steven Parker TCU would have won the Big XII.

 

[oldhorn2]

Mike...I suspect that OU benefits more from the RRR than Texas....that is your pathway to recruiting. OU already lost their second biggest game of the year,....losing the first would make you a damned regional school. You can talk about UT arrogance and not be completely wrong, but to say UT would suffer badly with out the RRR is a little far fetched. To be honest....College football would suffer without one of the best and oldest rivalrys going.

 

[outhereincali]

I have always complemented on Mike Gundy and still think he is a very good coach. But, he should focus on beating ou. LHN hasn't negatively affected osu one bit. ou has been his only problem.

OSU's getting to 10-0 late in the season was a complete fluke. Baylor and Oklahoma exposed them for the fraud they were.

 

[cwillfromdatx]

Oh there's no doubt that a power team would play UT. But UT losing one of the biggest games in it's storied history because of arrogance. Would absolutely hurt UT....and down goes sales. Like I said please go independent.

So what would people say about Oklahoma if they left the conference for SEC and UT stayed. You guys would say it's UT fault that you left just like Neb and aggys. No matter what, we will get blame.
Losing the game would be sad for both schools but I think we both would survive.

 

[swVAHorn]

Really? How did they work out for you on the field? You are in denial of you don't think Texas recruiting hasn't been down.

Ok I will play......Mr Genius if Texas recruiting is down and Texas finished ahead of ou two years in a row what would that make ou's recruiting? You are a genius in your own mind......but you just don't think things through. Now go brush your tooth.

 

[DrinkToIt]

As cool as LHN is, it really isnt in the best interest of the B12.

 

[mm42]

Mike...I suspect that OU benefits more from the RRR than Texas....that is your pathway to recruiting. OU already lost their second biggest game of the year,....losing the first would make you a damned regional school. You can talk about UT arrogance and not be completely wrong, but to say UT would suffer badly with out the RRR is a little far fetched. To be honest....College football would suffer without one of the best and oldest rivalrys going.

If Oklahoma leaves they will have Alabama, Auburn, A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St and Okie St on the schedule every year. They would be fine. Old rivalries are great, but they would be fine.

Texas would be fine as well.

 

[mm42]

So what would people say about Oklahoma if they left the conference for SEC and UT stayed.

They would say, I guess Texas is heading to the PAC12 tomorrow.

 

[LonghornMM]

Mike, you're welcome to post here, but tap the brakes on the arrogant trash talk towards UT.

 

[outhereincali]

I have a sense of mea culpa when it comes to the future of the Big XII. Imo, the biggest cause for the speculation is because Big XII teams are not getting it done on the field of play and it's more noticeable because of UT's mediocrity. The Big XII did not make the playoffs two years ago, and the only reason Oklahoma got in last year was because Notre Dame last on the last game of the season. In the last two seasons no P5 conference did worse in bowl season than the Big XII.

We haven't won a nc in hoops since 2008 and in the rapidly changing landscape of college athletics 8 years is a long time. KS is our conferences standard barrier for basketball excellence and because our conference does not have a solid future I'm pulling for the Jayhawks to bring it on home in two weeks.

We've got to stop trash talking and false puffing up of the chests and pull for our conference to thrive.

 

[sooner_mike]

So what would people say about Oklahoma if they left the conference for SEC and UT stayed. You guys would say it's UT fault that you left just like Neb and aggys. No matter what, we will get blame.
Losing the game would be sad for both schools but I think we both would survive.

Will, let's not play the pitty party, UT is absolutely at fault for the demise of the SWC, they're also responsible for the departure of Missouri, Colorado, Nebish and aTm. Only a UT fan would say otherwise. And UT will be the reason for the big 12 to go bye bye. UT staying in the big 12 would not happen when OU bolts. The problem is an easy fix.....just don't think Texas will comply. And OU will not be in the SEC. Just get off the high horse and resolve the issue at hand and all is good. And expantion will hpaaen in the big 12.

 

[sooner_mike]

Mike, you're welcome to post here, but tap the brakes on the arrogant trash talk towards UT.

Mm thanks I'll do just that. I'm not trashing the posters just would love to see the big 12 stay together, but I just don't see it happening. UT will not comply and OU will be gone. And it sucks.

 

[RoboCocks21]

I feel asleep reading these posts....did the trailer park burn down or someone's sister got offended by a ho down?

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Will, let's not play the pitty party, UT is absolutely at fault for the demise of the SWC

Mike, it seems like it would physically hurt to be as breathtakingly stupid of a human being as you are. Every post you write is an F5 tornado of subliterate dreck. Studying for your GED would be a much better use of your time than posting on these boards.

But while you're here, please do elaborate on your idiotic theory as to how Texas is at fault for the demise of the SWC. You're not bright or self-aware enough to be embarrassed, but at least the rest of us will be entertained.

they're also responsible for the departure of Missouri, Colorado, Nebish and aTm.

Absolutely false. But that self-serving narrative was offered up by departing schools precisely because of the abundance of gullible, incurious dupes like you who are too dumb to get out of the rain.

 

[sooner_mike]

Mike, it seems like it would physically hurt to be as breathtakingly stupid of a human being as you are. Every post you write is an F5 tornado of subliterate dreck. Studying for your GED would be a much better use of your time than posting on these boards.

But while you're here, please do elaborate on your idiotic theory as to how Texas is at fault for the demise of the SWC. You're not bright or self-aware enough to be embarrassed, but at least the rest of us will be entertained.



Absolutely false. But that self-serving narrative was offered up by departing schools precisely because of the abundance of gullible, incurious dupes like you who are too dumb to get out of the rain.

This is when you know the debate is over, let's derail the thread because big bad Sooner fan is right. Funny actually

 

[swVAHorn]

This is when you know the debate is over, let's derail the thread because big bad Sooner fan is right. Funny actually

Answer his question. Or move on to your own board.

 

[Jon the Valiant]

I'm like this. If I'm making a 100k and was told I have to share my money with a neighbor because he makes only 35k. Who in their right mind would want to or even vice versa. I work hard for my money and I'm not sharing a portion of it. Period

This is a faulty analogy.

Without the other schools, the UT athletic department is worth a grand total of $0.00. UT can't make any money without the participation of other schools. Collegiate athletics are inherently a cooperative enterprise. Denying the value brought to the table by your partners in this enterprise is stupid. Sooner or later they will decide that they no longer want to put up with you constantly acting in your own self interest at their expense. Then they will take their value-added elsewhere. And you may view the other schools as a fungible commodity, but there is a limited number of them, and they vary widely in suitability.

 

[SatydogHorn]

If the conference wants a network and to cancel the LHN then the conference would need to absorb some of the revenue lost to UT and make up the difference for the completion on the contract between UT & ESPN. Then the next question would be does ESPN care about the rest of the big12? We all know that UT will start winning again at some point and the LHN could end up being a brilliant investment and then everybody will REALLY freak. I think it is really funny that everyone blames Texas for the ag's, neb, etc. for leaving the conference, but most rational thinking people know it was UT's success that caused those schools to bolt. They were simply hitting ctr, alt, delete in hope it could change their status. That is hardly justifiable. This whole thing is about money and nothing more.

 

[EastCoastTexan]

The UT Big Cigars really need to think this one through . . . and then think some more. Our long term brand perception is at stake here. If the Big 12 goes the way of the Dinosaur, UT will get the blame whether it's warranted or not. If that happens, our Brand is going to take a big hit nationally and it will take decades to recover from that hit. We will be known as the University that killed a conference because of our hubris and greed.

Now reverse that scenario for a second, if UT folds the LHN and opts for a Conference Network deal . . . we may take it on the chin financially in the short term but the Goodwill that will engender will be worth millions more over the long term. "The Big 12 survives and thrives thank to the good guys over at UT!" We'll come out smelling like a rose and all this nonsense we hear from other universities about our lust for money, at the expense of all else, will be put to bed permanently.

Which narrative do you guys want experience over the next 30 years here? I know my feelings on this. Here's hoping we don't blow it big time. When I'm 80 I want to be able to hold my head up and proudly say 'I'm a Longhorn' to the young kids out there. I don't want to hear for the rest of my life how we put our own interests over those of our conference and killed it. The Big 12 has huge potential IMHO. Perhaps we pursue policies to ensure that the "rising tide lifts all the Big 12 boats" not just ours from this point on??? A great place to start would be a Conference Network.

Now, if the BC's are secretly wanting the Big 12 to die . . . well, I just don't have any idea what to say to that???

My 2 cents.

The issue is that no matter what Texas does or does not do they will be blamed for everyone elses issues.

See A&M
See Nebraska
See OSU

Didn't Texas try to start a conference network? That is not a rhetorical question, I really don't know the answer.

Would ESPN even pay for another conference network? At this point aren't they all doing poorly?

 

[EastCoastTexan]

This is when you know the debate is over, let's derail the thread because big bad Sooner fan is right. Funny actually

How was Texas responsible for any of that.

I will hang up and listen.

 

[clob94]

Dear "I'm a MAN! I'm 40!",

I find it functionally hilarious that a school with 1/50th of our net worth, 1/3 our student body and 1/15th of our alumni base would choose to pipe up over a revenue earning network that has only been hampered by one thing: our lack of on field performance. We started our network first and NOW you want us to change canoes midstream? You're like the arrogant deushe bags that show up late to the movie theater and expect me to move down a seat or two so you, your fat wife and your diabetes infused rugs rats can sit together. If you're late to the show, you have to take what you can get.

Regards,

Angry movie goer whose tired of moving seats.

 

[Longyac]

Will, let's not play the pitty party, UT is absolutely at fault for the demise of the SWC, they're also responsible for the departure of Missouri, Colorado, Nebish and aTm. Only a UT fan would say otherwise.

Ah, no.

SMU and A&M's TV bans are what killed the SWC and why you never see TV bans given anymore. Also, all the Texas' blue chippers went to ND, FSU, CU, etc because they wanted to be on TV.

Mizz was asking for a Big 10 slot from day one of the Big 12. Colorado thought Texas and OU were headed to the PAC and jumped to beat Baylor out of a spot. Loftin has admitted that A&M had been in talks with the SEC for a longtime and that is why they torpedoed the PAC deal.

 

[LonghornMM]

Ah, no.

SMU and A&M's TV bans are what killed the SWC and why you never see TV bans given anymore. Also, all the Texas' blue chippers went to ND, FSU, CU, etc because they wanted to be on TV.

Mizz was asking for a Big 10 slot from day one of the Big 12. Colorado thought Texas and OU were headed to the PAC and jumped to beat Baylor out of a spot. Loftin has admitted that A&M had been in talks with the SEC for a longtime and that is why they torpedoed the PAC deal.

This right here is the truth. Sorry Mike, but you have your "facts" wrong.

 

[UT1997]

Mm thanks I'll do just that. I'm not trashing the posters just would love to see the big 12 stay together, but I just don't see it happening. UT will not comply and OU will be gone. And it sucks.

The Big12 is a confederacy (and always has been), while the other power conferences are unions. I'd love the Big12 to stay and really expand to 12-14, but I don't understand why UT isn't independent, since I assume that would be most profitable. As a fan, I only care about the product on the field, which has been crap in most sports since 2010.

Our recruiting isn't the issue, it's more development. Sought after athletes arrive here 4 - 5* and finish 2*.

 

[Scholz]

This is when you know the debate is over, let's derail the thread because big bad Sooner fan is right. Funny actually

No, it's actually when you run way with your tail between your legs when you're called out on and can't back up any of your mindless and completely false insults.

 

[horn01]

VERY SIMPLE. The have-nots need to get together and come up with a plan so that Texas does not LOSE money by trading LHN for a Big 12 Network.
What is complicating things is talking about doing this or that for the good of the conference. No matter what they say, the Texas brass does not care about the Big 12, and why should they?
So make it a profitable move for Texas, and you have a deal.

(if you are asking yourself why this hasn't been done, its because a 10 team league with 70% of the tv population in one state could not net the kind of revenue for Texas to make as much or more money than they have with LHN. But no one wants to admit this, its easier to blame Texas)

 

[Scholz]

Again, the conference members should've voted for a conference tv deal when it was floated years ago. They voted no. Including OSU and OU. So STFU, spikey haired dude bro d-bag Gundy and you fat queen Boren. You didn't think Texas could pull off what we did. Now you're pouty because we did.

 

[SatydogHorn]

Again, the conference members should've voted for a conference tv deal when it was floated years ago. They voted no. Including OSU and OU. So STFU, spikey haired dude bro d-bag Gundy and you fat queen Boren. You didn't think Texas could pull off what we did. Now you're pouty because we did.

Gundy is a total Jackazz and always have been. When I see him I do not see a HC for a major University. He looks like he should be a OC or position coach at the HS level.