Yes, we should take advice about the Big XII common good from a fan of the team that dishonestly took millions while promising to stay while at the same time knew they were leaving. Yes, let's do that.
Mike Gundy tells CBS Sports ending Longhorn Network is key to Big 12's future
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I doubt "most people" share your world view on much of anything.
Hey DocAg, why didn't ATM take Texas up on its initial TV offer.....you know for the joint UT/ATM Lonestar Network?
The entire state of West Virginia has less population than the city of Houston. You shouldn't be so concerned about Texas. Worry about your own school once Texas leaves.
WVU could end up in the AAC (again) because the ACC, the SEC and the Big Ten would certainly not come calling. And you could thank WVU president, Gordon Gee, for his stupidity.
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I have no idea. My guess is that A&M thinks that being in the same conference puts them in a huge shadow. They wanted to stand alone. Yes, they are still in the shadow of Texas because we are both in the state of Texas, BUT there is separation from Texas in the SEC.
Oh, you'd be surprised. You might see differently if you could pull your head out of your orange butt.
I will say this again, outside of the LHN, there is no incentive to even stay in the Big 12. Without the LHN, every other conference would welcome Texas with open arms. Especially the SEC.
The LHN is what kept Texas in the Big 12 in the first place. The truth is we don't know how good the LHN is because Texas has been so bad in recent years. I want to see what the LHN can do when Texas is a top 5 team again, then I will pass judgement of if it is a viable product or not.
The LHN is what kept Texas in the Big 12 in the first place. The truth is we don't know how good the LHN is because Texas has been so bad in recent years. I want to see what the LHN can do when Texas is a top 5 team again, then I will pass judgement of if it is a viable product or not.
Well, you totally have me in your corner there. I do not care for most of the options. But, I must add, When I heard WVU was going to be invited to the Big-12 I only cared about playing Texas and Oklahoma. The rest of the schools inspired no excitement and I had no burning desire to see them play in Morgantown. After 4 years in the conference, that is not the case. Each of the members of the Big-12 are great opponents and frankly just great schools with great fans.
Perhaps it has because as a Mountaineer WVU has a unique perspective on expansion candidates. We have had to look at other schools as they rotated into and out of the Big East and before that, life as an independent. I have spent 50+ years involved in this at WVU and in that time WVU has been in several conferences and counted many schools a peer if only in name whereas a schools like Texas hasn't. Texas has always been in a conference dominated by itself and those conferences have always been centered in Texas, just as the Big-12 currently is.
But, perhaps it is the thought of expansion beyond that historical footprint that bothers some.
I am a fan of BYU to an extent. But having lived in a conference with one prima donna religious institution, I have no wish to crawl under the sheets with another one. No one from WVU would ever like the idea of being in a conference with Notre Dame even if they were all in and while most at WVU have limited contact with BYU, we can easily project what they are like and that is not a nice assessment.
This whole expansion, LHN vs. BIg12N thing reminds me of my doctor friends. I have a close friend that is a family MD and he says the younger kids coming up the chain in the profession constantly fall into the trap of trying to find one cause for a host of problems and even when they hear hoof beats they automatically think horses and never think zebras. The problems of the Big12 are not massive, heck they aren't even big. But one thing they are is shared.
The solution is going to come from everyone.
I think we as a conference need to prioritize our issues and act accordingly. Being a fan means being to some degree crazy, but fanhood gets intertwined with manhood and both get in the way of making smart business choices.
No matter how much fans on this board or my own or any other from the Big-12 toss these issues back and forth, we are no body in the big scheme of decisions makers. Some of us have an ear here or there and know someone or knows someone that knows someone, but we are all so far removed from the power process that all we can do is hold on for the ride.
The landscape of college athletics is constantly shifting. The broadcast world is under even more stress right now as it moves from one model to the future, which no one seems to be able to see at this time. Realignment has never died and I doubt it will until some magical moment of nirvana comes.
I would say that if Texas has made a bad decision in the last 5 years it was not hiring Oliver Luck as AD. Texas would be in such a different place right now and that would color the choices far more than anything. It is hard to swallow compromise and working with others when the perception among the fanbase is that Texas has been left in the also-ran category and not sitting in the winner's circle. I think Luck would have had Texas in a better place and that was too bad for Texas, too bad for the Big-12 and in the end it may be too bad for WVU.
Ron Burgundy: Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
Champ Kind: It jumped up a notch.
Ron Burgundy: It did, didn't it?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart.
Ron Burgundy: I saw that. Brick killed a guy. Did you throw a trident?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.
Ron Burgundy: Brick, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safe house or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder.
Champ Kind: It jumped up a notch.
Ron Burgundy: It did, didn't it?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart.
Ron Burgundy: I saw that. Brick killed a guy. Did you throw a trident?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.
Ron Burgundy: Brick, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safe house or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder.
I am not worried about WVU, Mountaineers are survivors, we thrive on climbing up the hill. But this is not a WVU problem. This is not a Texas problem. This is a Big-12 problem and we are all part of that. I am not sure what you mean about Gee being stupid, perhaps you can elaborate.
Well, you right there, the ACC will never come calling. The SEC, who knows, the SEC and WVU have talked a few times about in in the last ten years but nothing goes too far.
I would say this is a Boren and anyone who supports him problem.
Boren made bad decisions for OU and now he wants everyone to join him in making a bad decision for the Big 12.
It's time for Texas to move on.
Scholz you are wrong on this one.....Stupid people share his view.
And you're the arbiter of what objective thinking looks like? Thanks for the laugh, farmer.
I love it when morons prattle on about "what most people think" about things btw. Good stuff.
Sorry, but I agree with Moses here. Austin is a more vibrant city with more to do but not a better college town. not even close to the best. A college town revolves around the school, not a music or movie festival or an Iron man triathlon or tourist attraction like 6th street. And speaking of Texas Monthly, I recently saw an article from a hispanic woman in which she stated that Austin was the most segregated big town in Texas and she had lived in all of them. Also, the local news was just reporting on how the local music scene is drying up in Austin. Just because you say it is the best doesn't make it true.
Austin is a great City that happens to have a college in the middle of it. You could yank the school out of it and it would continue on with it's awesomeness. Can't say that about "college towns".
Is this Aggie really talking about college towns and live music sucking in Austin and also about segregation???????
Have you seen the ATM band aka hitler hate rallies? All you have to do is walk in to an ATM mens restroom to see the glory holes and that is what happens when you have a group of skinheads talking down to another group of people. BCS is surely a melting pot if I have ever seen it. And Austin has terrible live music and is super segregated. That is hilarious. I'm glad people that are capable of being this irrational don't move to places like Austin. Yes, the city sucks. Music sucks. Too many mexicant's. The city isn't at all tied to UT, like you never see burnt orange on 6th street and no one cares.....a lot like Memphis is to their sports teams. Austin sucks, BCS rules. Aggie out.
So you are saying that you rather be in a town that has nothing to besides watching cows? Personally, I love a town with many things to do. Fishing, swimming in a river or lake, restaurants, bars, hunting, museums, sport events besides what the school has and other attractions/entertainment. A town is usually limited but Austin is not. I like the fact I can fly in Austin instead of some other schools who has to fly into a larger city such as the aggys who would have to fly into Houston unless you want to pay a arm and leg to fly in that tiny landing strip of Bryan/College station
Joag....I would back off the Austin is a segregated town smack......better you work on that "go back to where you came from" talk from your student body....
Well, we can't all have our universities situated in the middle of that idyllic cow pasture with the chicken shack and whatever other boring sh*t makes up Northgate.
By the way, quick check shows 109 separate live music shows last night -- a Wednesday -- in Austin and 147 tonight. You're right -- it's a f*cking desert for entertainment these days.
I have some questions that I would like to discuss. First of all as I said earlier in this thread Imo part of the Big XII dissolving talk stems from the fact that lets face it the Big XII has played disgraceful in fb and men's bb the last 7-8 years. And this is especially true when it comes to our longhorns. I hate to say that about us but it's true. And our mediocrity shines a negative light on the rest of the Big XII. What I want to ask is this.
Everybody knows about KS basketball tradition. They're in the sweet 16, matter of fact they're playing tonight. If they win out, and they have a good chance of doing that, how much can that do to make the Big XII stable for at least a little while. Keep in mind they're a blue blood, they're in same league as Duke. And in terms of Big XII prestige KS winning it would be better than OK or ISU winning it imo.
Another question. In regards to Baylor and TCU's future if the Big XII implodes. Much as some of us hate to admit, Baylor is very close to being on the big boy stage in fb. If they were just make the playoffs, and they have a real chance of doing that what it would do for their stability? TCU is close to doing the same thing in fb what if they make the playoffs what would the future holds for them. Both schools have had some success in other sports such as baseball, or women's hoops.
My conclusion is that success in men's bb or fb can stabilize the Big XII. Problem is the landscape in college athletics is constantly changing. Thoughts?
Everybody knows about KS basketball tradition. They're in the sweet 16, matter of fact they're playing tonight. If they win out, and they have a good chance of doing that, how much can that do to make the Big XII stable for at least a little while. Keep in mind they're a blue blood, they're in same league as Duke. And in terms of Big XII prestige KS winning it would be better than OK or ISU winning it imo.
Another question. In regards to Baylor and TCU's future if the Big XII implodes. Much as some of us hate to admit, Baylor is very close to being on the big boy stage in fb. If they were just make the playoffs, and they have a real chance of doing that what it would do for their stability? TCU is close to doing the same thing in fb what if they make the playoffs what would the future holds for them. Both schools have had some success in other sports such as baseball, or women's hoops.
My conclusion is that success in men's bb or fb can stabilize the Big XII. Problem is the landscape in college athletics is constantly changing. Thoughts?
I thought more about this reply of yours and I feel I must point out, no member of the ACC does as well any school in the Big12 financially, now or likely in the future. While the ACC TV package has some upward ability that is it. The rest of their AD budget is stagnant while those in the Big12 grow annually. A big part of the AD's budget is ticket sells and everyone knows no one goes to ACC football games. There are countless pictures on the internet of ACC CG games featuring ranked teams with what looks like 10k in the stands. Regular seasons games are worse for many of their members and NONE of them outside of FSU, Clemson and some times VT travel.
Then there are the tier 3 rights, the ACC sold theirs to ESPN for nothing. Big-12 members come in 3rd as a conference on payout and is that not what this is all about - money? It sure ain't about geography or history. Many rivalries no longer exist and you have schools spread over 2 or 3 time zones and a thousand miles plus apart. Money is what everyone wants and the ACC is getting less and less as a relative comparison to everyone else. That is all the reason a university needs to move these days.
As for a school like Texas; just how much more would their be in the piggy if the Long Horns were in another conference. I don't think TA&M has experienced a windfall - or have they? The difference between the slight increase in the SEC versus being king of your castle in the Big-12 has to be weighed.
It is Longhorns...1 word. Learn it or leave please. You are a guest. And by the way who ever heard of a mountain with ears? lol
I would disagree slightly. The Big 12 doesn't really have a problem. The problem is that Oklahoma didn't get as much money from the Fox deal as they thought they would, vs. the LHN. That's what's really going on here.
This WV man makes a valid point when he says that if we were to move to another conference we wouldn't have the same influence we have in the Big XII. We need to take this fact very seriously. Texas fans have always been proud of how our school runs the Big XII and used to run the SWC and those days will be gone if the Big XII dissolves, we'll just be another school.
I definitely don't disagree with you on disingenuous prick Boren's motivations for his whining, but I still think that a league with 70% of its population footprint in Texas is not viable as a power conference over the long term. The money is fine now because everyone knows that the Big 12 got significantly overpaid in the last round of TV contract negotiations. That's very unlikely to happen again.
BRB..wouldn't it make sense for Fox and ESPN to pay high again? I mean the reason they did it was because they would have to pay "other" conferences less..right? It seems that if Texas and ou go somewhere else that new conf is going to have to renegotiate because of the added value. Maybe overpaying some now saves them money down the road.... Not disagreeing because I have no idea. Just wondering out loud. And you always know what you are talking about.
What is this discussion of how Texas "is going to be treated"? You think if Texas joined the PAC, B1G, SEC or ACC they would let us in but put us in a corner? Texas, even while down in football, adds instant athletic history, academic reputation, and yes, a hefty chuck of monetary value, to any conference it joins. They would all welcome Texas with open arms. The "sacrifice" would be LHN, but I'm sure the TV contracts would be worked out so that Texas did not lose any money from the move.
If anything, the "treatment" we get in the big 12 is the problem. The cash cow who pays everyone else' s bills then gets blamed for anything and everything You want to know the real reason OU is mad right now? They aren't getting any recruits from Texas. The rise of TCU, Baylor, and A&M in the recruiting game has blown their pipe line up. They need a new recruiting base thus they need a new conference. But the easiest thing to do is blame Texas and say they want more money.
Classic strategy by the way. Offer someone a deal they cannot possibly accept, then say "see, we tried to work with them, but they don't want to work with us!"
If anything, the "treatment" we get in the big 12 is the problem. The cash cow who pays everyone else' s bills then gets blamed for anything and everything You want to know the real reason OU is mad right now? They aren't getting any recruits from Texas. The rise of TCU, Baylor, and A&M in the recruiting game has blown their pipe line up. They need a new recruiting base thus they need a new conference. But the easiest thing to do is blame Texas and say they want more money.
Classic strategy by the way. Offer someone a deal they cannot possibly accept, then say "see, we tried to work with them, but they don't want to work with us!"
Ags doubling down on criticizing Austin. It must be spring because the delusion is in full bloom.
Where do I begin to address the argument of everyone who went to college in a dump town surrounded by cow shit is that it is a "college town"? So, you prefer to live in a town with one crappy bar and nothing to do? That enhanced your college experience? But lets not get ahead of ourselves, because there are truly great "college towns". Manhattan (Kansas), Ann Arbor, etc. Notice these towns have a lot to offer, but are not in large cities. College Station is just a dump, not a great college town because it lacks anything that would make a city attractive.
Racial diversity is an issue in Austin. You failed to mention why though. It has become such a desirable place to live, that property values have escalated to a point where the poor neighborhoods are being replaced with new, nice neighborhoods. To put it bluntly, your criticism here is that Austin has no more ghettos. Sorry, I find that to be a good thing, and so do all property owners, everywhere.
And last but not least, the article debating whether Austin has great music. The article referenced was actually about SXSW, and the question is whether that festival is a good place for unknown artists to be discovered. The author came to the conclusion that it is not, because so many famous acts dominate the scene, and there are so many small acts spread over so many venues, that it is unlikely that you will be discovered. So to paraphrase...its a great place festival for fans, but not starving artists.
So to close, everything you said was wrong.
Thank you,
God Bless Austin, the only place to live in Texas
The cable bundle model is going away. All this crazy TV money was based on the bundle model and that money is drying up because of the streaming disruption to the market. Right now the major cable companies are also the major providers of high speed internet and they are doing everything they can to maintain current model however the decision by HBO to offer streaming services without a cable subscription should be a major wake up call that there is going to be a very different business model. Keep an eye on what happens when google fiber starts to penetrate major media markets. Atlanta will be the first major test case. The other thing to keep an eye on is affordable wireless high speed internet without data caps.
We need to be looking beyond the current setup to figuring out how to package and sell content to streaming customers because when the bundle model goes the way of Blockbuster Video the TV contracts aren't going to pull in anywhere near the amount of money they are today.
We need to be looking beyond the current setup to figuring out how to package and sell content to streaming customers because when the bundle model goes the way of Blockbuster Video the TV contracts aren't going to pull in anywhere near the amount of money they are today.
FIFY
"Don't sign deals you can't live with," part infinity. It's like the current Madam Secretary episode. The other schools agreed to make the 3rd tier rights separate, or joined a conference where that was the case, and now they're jealous of how much money LHN provides UT. That's lame. Decidedly lame.
Texas is going to be much richer (and better, academically) than any of the Big 12 members, even if Texas does (for some reason) agree to renegotiate on 3rd tier rights. Those other schools are still going to be jealous and have "righteous" indignation, no matter what our record is, and no matter what the status of LHN.
Schools that want to build up their reputation--academically, athletically, and in terms of brand--should do what Texas did. They ought not leech on schools that did, or pout when they don't make as much dough. (I'm a political moderate, and I know that.) Tough crap that you're disabled, or live in the land of frackers and constant earthquakes, or your ancestors had hardships. Get to work! Build something useful! Show some respect to others, and see how that works, instead of trying to win by tearing others down!
Fans, ADs and presidents of schools that leave can blame Deloss and the LHN, but in the end, it's about the money. They left because they saw more, and wanted more. And I can't blame them, just like I can't blame jerks at work for wanting to support their families, too. We all gotta do it.
And on that note, happy Good Friday. He suffered greatly, for my sins and yours, before He came back, as foretold.
He is Risen!
And on a side note - if Baylor had the same resources, it wouldn't have been as much fun beating the Horns 4 out of 6 in FB, 2 out 3 in BB, and a clean sweep in women's hoops. No jealousy here!
Apologies I was unaware you were an admin here - oh wait - you ain't. Sometimes Microsoft feels the need to help out in the spelling department; you must be one lucky guy for it never to happen to you. BTW, it is mountaineer not mountainears. But hey, we have thick skin, call us what you like, it does not bother a mountaineer like it seems to bother some others.
I think you misunderstand the hierarchy of how conferences work. Florida State is a good example, they have been in the ACC since 1991 and to this day, their opinion counts for nothing with Tobacco Road. It is not who you are that matters in conference politics it is who you have been since the beginning and no matter how much Texas could and would do to earn the favor of the new conference elite, it would be a long time if ever before they were officially "in the club."
I think there is some truth to what you're saying. However, it's also what you bring to the table in the big three sports - facilities, alumni, money, academics, national interest/appeal, prestige, history, tradition, following, etc. Texas has all of that. If, at some point, Texas does join a new conference, they won't take a back seat to any program. You can bet your hat on that.
