Mike Gundy tells CBS Sports ending Longhorn Network is key to Big 12's future

[horn01]

Again, the conference members should've voted for a conference tv deal when it was floated years ago. They voted no. Including OSU and OU. So STFU, spikey haired dude bro d-bag Gundy and you fat queen Boren. You didn't think Texas could pull off what we did. Now you're pouty because we did.

Agreed, this is an accurate history of why to date we do not have a conference network. Leave it in the past though. Why are we not working on one now? Because everyone else seemingly expects Texas to take a loss on the conversion from LHN to Big 12 Network. That's lunacy.

Make it profitable for Texas, even if this means every other member program taking a cut to make Texas whole. If every other school is making more money than they are now, and Texas is at least breaking even with what they were earning from LHN, what is the problem? "Its not fair" is the problem.

 

[Scholz]

Life isn't fair. Tough titties.

 

[HornosaurusRex]

If you (Big12) agree to renegotiate (scrap) the grant of rights, we'll agree to renegotiate (scrap) the LHN. We'll also be sure to turn out the lights on our way out the door.

Hook 'em

 

[Mister Moses]

Old Horn our biggest rival was Nebraska it wasn't Texas. The RRR is a game I would like to do away with. Make it home and home, fair park area is a cesspool. Kind of like 6th st. Nothing good happens there. 6th st used to be fun and playing Texas used to be fun. I hate arrogance and Texas is the Jones's. I would love for you to go independent then who the hell could Scholz hate to a level that's not healthy for a grown man. Well I say adult but I see no evidence of that. Take your joke network and keep it. Austin was a wonderful college town 40 years ago. Now it's just a big congested city with a college. You guy's don't have any idea what you missed. Bring back the SWC or go independent. Let's Ride what are they riding Bevo?

 

[horn01]

Old Horn our biggest rival was Nebraska it wasn't Texas. The RRR is a game I would like to do away with. Make it home and home, fair park area is a cesspool. Kind of like 6th st. Nothing good happens there. 6th st used to be fun and playing Texas used to be fun. I hate arrogance and Texas is the Jones's. I would love for you to go independent then who the hell could Scholz hate to a level that's not healthy for a grown man. Well I say adult but I see no evidence of that. Take your joke network and keep it. Austin was a wonderful college town 40 years ago. Now it's just a big congested city with a college. You guy's don't have any idea what you missed. Bring back the SWC or go independent. Let's Ride what are they riding Bevo?

I'm not sure what exactly you are debating, I just want to point out that its hilarious when posters from schools in no where ville criticize Austin as a "college town". Is your criticism of Austin that it has tons more to offer than a college campus and one crappy bar? There is a PGA event happening in Austin as we speak. 64 of the world's best golfers. We just wrapped up an internationally known festival that the president of the united states attended. Texas monthly just published an issue with the cover "How Austin Became the Center of Everything" . You may prefer to live in college surrounded by cow pastures, but don't mistake Austin as a detriment to the school.

 

[swVAHorn]

Old Horn our biggest rival was Nebraska it wasn't Texas. The RRR is a game I would like to do away with. Make it home and home, fair park area is a cesspool. Kind of like 6th st. Nothing good happens there. 6th st used to be fun and playing Texas used to be fun. I hate arrogance and Texas is the Jones's. I would love for you to go independent then who the hell could Scholz hate to a level that's not healthy for a grown man. Well I say adult but I see no evidence of that. Take your joke network and keep it. Austin was a wonderful college town 40 years ago. Now it's just a big congested city with a college. You guy's don't have any idea what you missed. Bring back the SWC or go independent. Let's Ride what are they riding Bevo?

So weak and lame. Try again when you grow up.

 

[mm42]

Life isn't fair. Tough titties.

100% correct. Can not believe I agree with Scholz. Anytime you hear something isn't fair, it means someone wants to change the rules in their favor. Fair is for children.

The LHN is fair, legal, moral, etc.. if you don't like it leave, or learn to like it. Oklahoma needs to make a decision, the majority of the conference needs to learn to love the LHN. It is the only thing keeping their cash cow on board.

 

[madcow12]

So weak and lame. Try again when you grow up.

If moses had any credibility, it just went out the door with that post. Wow....just wow....Somebody has been getting in his own stash.

 

[Scholz]

...Make it home and home, fair park area is a cesspool.

Hilarious coming from someone from Norman, OK. Nobody wants to go there. What a complete dump. Racist dog whistle too.

I would love for you to go independent then who the hell could Scholz hate to a level that's not healthy for a grown man.

Trying to follow your pitiful attempt at the English language but I simply don't like shameful human beings like you okies who condone criminality and cheating at every turn. And violence against women. You $ooners absolutely suck.

 

[cwillfromdatx]

Old Horn our biggest rival was Nebraska it wasn't Texas. The RRR is a game I would like to do away with. Make it home and home, fair park area is a cesspool. Kind of like 6th st. Nothing good happens there. 6th st used to be fun and playing Texas used to be fun. I hate arrogance and Texas is the Jones's. I would love for you to go independent then who the hell could Scholz hate to a level that's not healthy for a grown man. Well I say adult but I see no evidence of that. Take your joke network and keep it. Austin was a wonderful college town 40 years ago. Now it's just a big congested city with a college. You guy's don't have any idea what you missed. Bring back the SWC or go independent. Let's Ride what are they riding Bevo?

And what are you s-a-y-I-n-g? Norman is a better town than Austin? Please explain whatever your trying to explain lol.
Not Normal in Norman

 

[westx]

Life isn't fair. Tough titties.

mike or other ou fans don't care about the rampant cheating in ou's past which resulted in titles they flaunt, but, something done legally through the right channels is a problem. Go figure.

 

[Scholz]

mike or other ou fans don't care about the rampant cheating in ou's past which resulted in titles they flaunt, but, something done legally through the right channels is a problem. Go figure.

Speaks volumes doesn't it.

 

[outhereincali]

Old Horn our biggest rival was Nebraska it wasn't Texas. The RRR is a game I would like to do away with. Make it home and home, fair park area is a cesspool. Kind of like 6th st. Nothing good happens there. 6th st used to be fun and playing Texas used to be fun. I hate arrogance and Texas is the Jones's. I would love for you to go independent then who the hell could Scholz hate to a level that's not healthy for a grown man. Well I say adult but I see no evidence of that. Take your joke network and keep it. Austin was a wonderful college town 40 years ago. Now it's just a big congested city with a college. You guy's don't have any idea what you missed. Bring back the SWC or go independent. Let's Ride what are they riding Bevo?

Gee you sure are dumb

 

[oldhorn2]

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[oldhorn2]

I was talking about Nebraska......yeah, no doubt, it was a giant rivalry game ....conference championship at stake and all that....but the RRR has been going on since ...oh...the last 100 years or so. If you felt Nebraska was a bigger game, ok, no sweat for me, but yall dont play them anymore and never tried to schedule them as far as I could tell....maybe not so big after all.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

This is when you know the debate is over, let's derail the thread because big bad Sooner fan is right. Funny actually

The "debate" was over before you even opened your ignorant harelipped mouth, you pathetic ass. You got nothin'.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Gundy is a total Jackazz and always have been. When I see him I do not see a HC for a major University. He looks like he should be a OC or position coach at the HS level.

He's a douchebag, but he's done a great job as a head coach there. Okie State has never seen this level of success before.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Old Horn our biggest rival was Nebraska it wasn't Texas.

LOL. Right. Which is why OU demanded to continue playing an annual game with Nebraska when the Big 12 was formed, right? And which is why OU's official hand sign is a limp-wristed version of something Husker fans do, yes?

As for the rest of your post, let's just say that you're fortunate to be posting in the same thread as Mike. The abject stupidity of what you've written is a little less glaring when you're sharing space with that imbecile.

 

[UT4Texas]

I am sure Ok St. would do the "honorable" thing and give back the 20 mill a year....

I wish Texas would leave the Crybabies in this conference once and for all.

God, I wish Texas would leave this effing conference. Gundy is a fkn idiot! ".....I'm a man, I'm 40!"

It is time for the UT fan base to demand a conference change.

 

[Charleston Mountie]

God, I wish Texas would leave this effing conference. Gundy is a fkn idiot! ".....I'm a man, I'm 40!"

It is time for the UT fan base to demand a conference change.

I am not sure the fan base has as much of a say as the legislature does. I may be out of the loop since I moved from Texas but it always seemed to me that the State House and not the UT president or AD ran these kind of choices. If that is still true, you wont see Texas gallivant away leaving Baylor, TCU and Tech unsecured.

Frankly, I don't get the whole issue. Texas can go where it wants when it wants but it not going to be treated like Texas is used too in any other conference and that more than anything will ruffle the feathers of the fans. If Horns don't like the Big-12, clean it up. The Big-12 is what Texas says it will be or keeps it from being. Yes, Texas has that kind of power.

 

[UT4Texas]

I am not sure the fan base has as much of a say as the legislature does. I may be out of the loop since I moved from Texas but it always seemed to me that the State House and not the UT president or AD ran these kind of choices. If that is still true, you wont see Texas gallivant away leaving Baylor, TCU and Tech unsecured.

Frankly, I don't get the whole issue. Texas can go where it wants when it wants but it not going to be treated like Texas is used too in any other conference and that more than anything will ruffle the feathers of the fans. If Horns don't like the Big-12, clean it up. The Big-12 is what Texas says it will be or keeps it from being. Yes, Texas has that kind of power.

Baylor and TCU are private schools. They were going to be left behind the first time the Pac 10 courted Texas. TCU wasn't even in the Big 12 at that time, either.

The UT president makes the decision on which conference Texas will be affiliated with, not the politicians.
The politicians didn't prevent A&M from going to the SEC, why would they keep Texas from changing conferences?

The Big 12 isn't what Texas says it will be (according to Boren, Gee and now Gundy). OU publicly trying to put Texas in a corner makes Texas seem like the villain here. It is time Texas make the move to leave this damn dysfunctional conference and let everyone fend for himself.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

I am not sure the fan base has as much of a say as the legislature does. I may be out of the loop since I moved from Texas but it always seemed to me that the State House and not the UT president or AD ran these kind of choices. If that is still true, you wont see Texas gallivant away leaving Baylor, TCU and Tech unsecured.

Things have changed. UT's future won't be bound up with that of any other school when it comes to conference membership.

If Horns don't like the Big-12, clean it up. The Big-12 is what Texas says it will be or keeps it from being. Yes, Texas has that kind of power.

Wrong for the reasons discussed in the locked thread. This conference has problems that Texas is powerless to remedy.

 

[Charleston Mountie]

Baylor and TCU are private schools. They were going to be left behind the first time the Pac 10 courted Texas. TCU wasn't even in the Big 12 at that time, either.

The UT president makes the decision on which conference Texas will be affiliated with, not the politicians.
The politicians didn't prevent A&M from going to the SEC, why would they keep Texas from changing conferences?

The Big 12 isn't what Texas says it will be (according to Boren, Gee and now Gundy). OU publicly trying to put Texas in a corner makes Texas seem like the villain here. It is time Texas make the move to leave this damn dysfunctional conference and let everyone fend for himself.

Speaking as someone who had a front row center seat in the ACC on the Big East plus all of the years before and after where the conference was run by puissant-sized basketball schools. Perception and real power are often not the same thing. An example of this is when Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese put Notre Dame in charge of the football expansion process. Notre Dame did not play football in the Big East and I think at the time, played none of those schools in the Big East in football. Later it did play Pitt and Boston College, but those were deals that were already set up.

Mountaineers have a good idea of what happens in these sorts of situations as we have been to this rodeo a couple of times. WVU has its own TA&M in Virginia Tech. VT is corrupt institution without any merit or honor in dealing with other schools. They had two press conferences on the same day, 30 minutes apart. The first was a presser to state their adamant desire to stay with the Big East and before the seats were cool, they announced they were immediately leaving the Big East since they never really liked anyone there.

Sometimes it is not easy to see in ourselves what others do. Texas is such a big place, with big ideas, big thinkers and a big culture that Texans seldom see beyond their border. But the rest of can see Texas in focus and in scale and indeed, Texas is powerful.

You can't possibly if Texas called a meeting to discuss expansion and wanted to add #1XXX and #2XXX that anyone would vote no. Or that if Texas said we want a BIG12N and we will roll the LHN into everyone would say no. Texas is indeed one vote, but it is also the voice everyone hears, when we do not often hear each other. Texas is the flagship of the Big-12 and where it goes the rest follows. Do you really think the University of Texas wants to replace that flag white a White One and call it quits admitting they could not make it work the same way TA&M did?

 

[Charleston Mountie]

Baylor and TCU are private schools. They were going to be left behind the first time the Pac 10 courted Texas. TCU wasn't even in the Big 12 at that time, either.

The UT president makes the decision on which conference Texas will be affiliated with, not the politicians.
The politicians didn't prevent A&M from going to the SEC, why would they keep Texas from changing conferences?

The Big 12 isn't what Texas says it will be (according to Boren, Gee and now Gundy). OU publicly trying to put Texas in a corner makes Texas seem like the villain here. It is time Texas make the move to leave this damn dysfunctional conference and let everyone fend for himself.

Perhaps times have changed since the 1970's and 1980's when I was in Texas, but Texans haven't changed.

College athletics have been manipulated and mutated ever since ESPN was allowed to call the shots and pay off schools and conferences to do things that made ESPN money. But ESPN is out of money and their medium for delivering their product is in transition to something else and with that, their power to make others do things they want will lessen.

College athletics have been evolving for the last 25 years now and we are not at a stable point. So making plans as though there is an equilibrium may not be the best path forward.

It seems a common theme on there that the vocal ones want Texas to leave the Big-12. Where would Texas go and still be the flagship? You would be as out of place as WVU is in the Big-12. The Big Ten would have issues with the distance and the lack of a common border - something they say that is a big deal to them. But for Texas they might make an exception but I believe they would only go that route if Notre Dame were paired with Texas. But, still Texas would be red-haired step child. Far away and a totally different culture.

The SEC?
No matter how powerful Texas is in Texas, those in the SEC would never treat the Longhorns the same way. I am sure Arkansas would give them a history lesson on Texas before the dust settled.

The ACC?

No joke is bigger than pulling that one out. This is the same conference that can't get a TV package and have more TV sets than any other conference. Their current footprint is shared by the Big Ten in the north and the SEC in the south and trust me, tobacco road runs that conference and frankly Texas smells like cow plop to them. I would doubt Duke, Wake and UNC would even vote Texas in.

So where would Texas go? I am all eers.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

You can't possibly if Texas called a meeting to discuss expansion and wanted to add #1XXX and #2XXX that anyone would vote no. Or that if Texas said we want a BIG12N and we will roll the LHN into everyone would say no. Texas is indeed one vote, but it is also the voice everyone hears, when we do not often hear each other. Texas is the flagship of the Big-12 and where it goes the rest follows. Do you really think the University of Texas wants to replace that flag white a White One and call it quits admitting they could not make it work the same way TA&M did?

You're starting from at least one flawed premise: that this conference is capable of addressing its problems through expansion. It can't. The schools that could make the conference viable over the long-term have absolutely no reason to ever come to the Big 12 -- they're already in far better situations. None of the realistic expansion options are desirable (with the partial exception of BYU, though it appears their prohibition on Sunday competition rules them out), and none of them do much of anything to address the relative lack of TV sets tuning in for Big 12 games. A school merely existing in Florida (UCF or USF) doesn't mean that the school delivers any meaningful portion of Florida's TV sets.

 

[mm42]

LOL. Right. Which is why OU demanded to continue playing an annual game with Nebraska when the Big 12 was formed, right? And which is why OU's official hand sign is a limp-wristed version of something Husker fans do, yes?

As for the rest of your post, let's just say that you're fortunate to be posting in the same thread as Mike. The abject stupidity of what you've written is a little less glaring when you're sharing space with that imbecile.

I'm not a fan of either school, but I would think your age could determine who you believe Oklahoma ' s biggest rival is/was. The last 20 years, it is 100% Texas in my opinion. But when I was a kid in the 80's it was probably Nebraska. At the time, I didn't even realize OU and UT hated each other. I wasn't a fan of either, but the Nebraska OU game was always HUGE.
Anyway, I think Texas is the biggest rival, but I can see how someone 40 to 45 would say Nebraska. Anyone under 30 saying Nebraska is full of sh1t. No clue what is was like in the 60's or 70's.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

I'm not a fan of either school, but I would think your age could determine who you believe Oklahoma ' s biggest rival is/was.

I don't agree.

The Texas-OU rivalry is one that transcends the condition of either program. The hatred has been there for many, many decades, and it doesn't fade just because one or both programs hit a slump. Its roots also run deeper than athletics -- think border-state animosity. There's also the fact that Texas and OU have historically fought over the same talent in recruiting much more than OU and Nebraska ever have. OU and Nebraska really became rivals only because both were competing for conference supremacy and national championships in the 1970s and 1980s. If both programs hadn't been elite and prominently in each other's way during that time, there would be no such thing as an OU-Nebraska rivalry.

Certainly the games that OU and Nebraska played in the mid- and late 1980s were bigger and more consequential games, but that doesn't necessarily entail a reordering of the rivalry hierarchy. During the early years of the 2000s, when Texas fans expected to beat aggy's ass every year but got cold sweats before every game against Leach's Air Raid, no one would seriously argue that Tech became a bigger in-state rival than aggy. Anyone who made that claim just wanted to needle an aggy fan. Even when OU hit a slump in the 1960s and our games against Arkansas were our most nationally consequential, Royal knew that OU was our chief rival. That never changed.

Ask Barry Switzer -- the OU coach during the majority of OU and Nebraska's overlap as simultaneously elite programs -- who Oklahoma's main rival has always been. He's most definitely not going to say Nebraska. When Switzer was feeling the heat from OU fans in 1983, it wasn't because he had dropped three straight to the Huskers. Switzer has always said that Texas-OU was the game that he had to win to "feed the monster."

 

[mm42]

I don't agree.

The Texas-OU rivalry is one that transcends the condition of either program. The hatred has been there for many, many decades, and it doesn't fade just because one or both programs hits a slump. Its roots also run deeper than athletics -- think border-state animosity. There's also the fact that Texas and OU have historically fought over the same talent in recruiting much more than OU and Nebraska ever have. OU and Nebraska really became rivals only because both were competing for conference supremacy and national championships in the 1970s and 1980s. If both programs hadn't been elite and prominently in each other's way during that time, there would be no such thing as an OU-Nebraska rivalry.

Certainly the games that OU and Nebraska played in the mid- and late 1980s were bigger and more consequential games, but that doesn't necessarily entail a reordering of the rivalry hierarchy. During the early years of the 2000s, when Texas fans expected to beat aggy's ass every year but got cold sweats before every game against Leach's Air Raid, no one would seriously argue that Tech became a bigger in-state rival than aggy. Anyone who made that claim just wanted to needle an aggy fan. Even when OU hit a slump in the 1960s and our games against Arkansas were our most nationally consequential, Royal knew that OU was our chief rival. That never changed.

Ask Barry Switzer -- the OU coach during the majority of OU and Nebraska's overlap as simultaneously elite programs -- who Oklahoma's main rival has always been. He's most definitely not going to say Nebraska. When Switzer was feeling the heat from OU fans in 1983, it wasn't because he had dropped three straight to the Huskers. Switzer has always said that Texas-OU was the game that he had to win to "feed the monster."

I am not disagreeing with you. Just saying that the first few years after you fall in love with football leave the largest impression on you. In the 80's I had no clue about recruiting, historic rivalries, or anything else. I just new the winner of the OU Nebraska game would be in the Orange Bowl and most likely had a shot at the national title. No biggie though, you are pretty much right.

 

[swVAHorn]

I'm not a fan of either school, but I would think your age could determine who you believe Oklahoma ' s biggest rival is/was. The last 20 years, it is 100% Texas in my opinion. But when I was a kid in the 80's it was probably Nebraska. At the time, I didn't even realize OU and UT hated each other. I wasn't a fan of either, but the Nebraska OU game was always HUGE.
Anyway, I think Texas is the biggest rival, but I can see how someone 40 to 45 would say Nebraska. Anyone under 30 saying Nebraska is full of sh1t. No clue what is was like in the 60's or 70's.

It kind of goes without saying that if you are not a fan of a team you would not know who their biggest rivals are.... Sure as we watch college football and get to know more and more teams from when we were children, we learn who hates who more. Texas and ou have always hated each other....always.

 

[DocAg]

Dallas radio was talking about this yesterday. They basically told both sides of the argument to do something about it and quit talking. They say that if OU and OSU don't like it then get the hell out and get out of Daddy's shadow. They talked about the Longhorn arrogance of controlling the conference but not giving a damn about the other teams in the conference. They said Texas should have the balls to branch out and be an independent. They went back and forth but both hosts were glad all the whining and moaning were going on so the conference would implode.

Every member looks out for #1, so I really don't blame Texas for trying to get the best for themselves, nor would I fault OU and OSU bolting. The conference needs a network, and for the good of the conference yes Texas should give up the Longhorn network and go with a conference network, but who can fault them for looking out for themselves. Everyone else does.

 

[oldhorn2]

There you have it. If you ever want to get the most expert advice on any subject, look to a radio host. Nice find.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

I'm sure Texas would at least be willing to listen if the other conference members want to come up with a solution that guarantees that Texas is made financially whole by giving up the LHN, but these whining f*cksticks can pound sand if they expect UT Athletics to surrender many tens of millions of dollars just to make them happy after Texas took the logical step of independently monetizing its third-tier content once the conference membership -- including some of the most prominent b*tchers of all (past and current members) -- voted to put the kibosh on a Big 12 network a decade ago.

 

[DocAg]

There you have it. If you ever want to get the most expert advice on any subject, look to a radio host. Nice find.

I forgot, this board and it's opinions are the real truth. Understood. It's just 2 people that are outside of the tinted orange goggles that might see things for reality. Most people share the same view. One is a Baylor grad and the other is a Horn grad.

 

[oldhorn2]

Like talk radio...most internet boards are people talking back and forth that often have no clue what is factual.Nothing wrong with stating an opinion. Some even have some basis in reality.I was not trying to say this board was any better or worse than what you hear on the radio.

 

[Scholz]

I'm sure Texas would at least be willing to listen if the other conference members want to come up with a solution that guarantees that Texas is made financially whole by giving up the LHN, but these whining f*cksticks can pound sand if they expect UT Athletics to surrender many tens of millions of dollars just to make them happy after Texas took the logical step of independently monetizing its third-tier content once the conference membership -- including some of the most prominent b*tchers of all (past and current members) -- voted to put the kibosh on a Big 12 network a decade ago.

Yep, take it out of Gundy and Boren's salaries if they care so much.

Look, either the Big XII members need to get on board with this thing and accept it or cut us a check. Otherwise there's nothing to talk about.