It's hysterical that you think at team that ran the ball 70%+ of the time running the ball 35% of the time isn't "abandoning the run"......lol
So no, in fact you're not too familiar with football
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It's hysterical that you think at team that ran the ball 70%+ of the time running the ball 35% of the time isn't "abandoning the run"......lol
So no, in fact you're not too familiar with football
LOL
1 play and you think you're running a Power-Spread Option, with a based formation of a heavy set, and a dual-threat (really run first) QB
You were better off failing at the weather argument
Another thing about bowls is that many years ND plays the best teams available because of money & marketing. Last year for example. All the normal bowl matrix would have had ND playing FSU. But the BCS was all over ND/OSU because of money. You will never see ND play the at large G5 BCS team. You will never see them play a mediocre team. Even two years ago when ND was barely .500 they got LSU. (And won despite being double-digit underdogs).
Ironically, NDs bowl victories have come when ND was around 7-8 wins (so mediocre) & got teams that weren't top 5 programs. Every year ND gets 10 wins they will ALWAYS get the best 11 win team not in the playoff. It's all about the BCS making money. ND could just turn down OSU, FSU, LSU etc & play a lower team to get bowl wins, but they won't. This year ND will win 10 games & probably get the 5th team in the CFP poll. If Michigan is available you know the BCS will set that up.
Ironically, NDs bowl victories have come when ND was around 7-8 wins (so mediocre) & got teams that weren't top 5 programs. Every year ND gets 10 wins they will ALWAYS get the best 11 win team not in the playoff. It's all about the BCS making money. ND could just turn down OSU, FSU, LSU etc & play a lower team to get bowl wins, but they won't. This year ND will win 10 games & probably get the 5th team in the CFP poll. If Michigan is available you know the BCS will set that up.
Remember when this was the exact argument Texas fans were using last year, that ND wouldn't have any ideas about their new offense?
I tried to explain to you last year, having absolutely no experience running your offense isn't an advantage for the offense......it's a major disadvantage.
It was our first game. We were still figuring out what we were good at. So comparing game 1 to the end of the season is faulty reasoning. But that's what you do, dishonestly cherry pick stats to fit your reasoning.
We ran the ball 25 times while behind. You're a proven liar. I find it hysterical that you think you have a leg to stand on here. Pathalogical liars are that way I suppose.
Oh, but this is a simple tool. I have faith in this offense and the play caller. I never had faith in Watson! These kids already know this offense, most if not all of them played in it in HS. The scheme is really simple. Do you know anything about the Briles tree? Texas was bad in South Bend and the play calling was abysmal. I make no excuses for that. I mean, the team went 5-7. Maybe they'll go 4-8 this year with the new offense. Typical narcissistic tendencies, this guy adds nothing.
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He's a fool for using season stats, the OC was displaced after the shit show that took place in South Bend. The direction they went is not what they were (Watson) planing from the start, it is what the offense evolved into over time (under Traylor/Norvell). The game plan for week 1 had nothing to do with the game plan for week 12.
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Your lack of understanding of football, and what it means to "abandon the run", is really showing here.
You're simply embarrassing yourself at this point
Texas abandoned the run because they were getting blown out of the game......it's just that simple, and there absolutely no debating it.
But I love watching you stomp your feet and make a fool of yourself while @TexExSpur continues to completely 180 the entire conversation
No, I didn't bother to do the division
But here's some comparative inequalities for you
42% <<<<<<<<< 68%
So Texas saw about a 40% reduction in their number of rushes.......so yes, they did in fact abandon the run game
http://www.texassports.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=8606
Meh, they ran the ball in the 3rd and less in the 4th...never abandoned it. Texas had 4 possessions in the 3rd and had 7 rushing attempts to 5 passes, Texas had 2 possessions in the 4th with 4 rushing attempts and 9 passes most of which cam in the final series. So, sure. They abandoned the run on the final series of the game.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/team/703/rushing/offense/situational.html
My how things changed after the first 2 weeks.
Gray started every game except the last 2, Warren got those starts. Warren racked up 382 yards on 53 carries in those 2 starts.
Meh, they ran the ball in the 3rd and less in the 4th...never abandoned it. Texas had 4 possessions in the 3rd and had 7 rushing attempts to 5 passes, Texas had 2 possessions in the 4th with 4 rushing attempts and 9 passes most of which cam in the final series. So, sure. They abandoned the run on the final series of the game.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/team/703/rushing/offense/situational.html
My how things changed after the first 2 weeks.
Gray started every game except the last 2, Warren got those starts. Warren racked up 382 yards on 53 carries in those 2 starts.
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What is all this? Last year we came into the game with one of the youngest teams in the nation, with an OC who should have been fired in the off season, who gave a second chance to a QB who should have never taken a snap as a college starter. Congrats on the win, at your own house. Texas was never really in the game, and no one should debate that.
This year, no matter what the result, Texas will be coming out with a completely different look. I understand the inclination to come to a message board and tell us their is no hope because there is no way we could possibly run the ball against your defense, but something tells me we will go ahead and try it anyway.
This year, no matter what the result, Texas will be coming out with a completely different look. I understand the inclination to come to a message board and tell us their is no hope because there is no way we could possibly run the ball against your defense, but something tells me we will go ahead and try it anyway.
Except they didn't really change with much consistency......except that you were less prone to abandoning the run when getting blown out
The vast majority of Warren's production in those games came against the single WORST run defense in any P5 conference, and the 2nd WORST run defense I the entire nation. (Texas Tech)
Texas Tech was worse than such quality run defenses as:
- Texas State
- Idaho
- Tulsa
- Wyoming
- UTEP
- Middle Tennessee
- Kansas
- etc.
(hardly impressive numbers)
I've never said Texas has no hope, and in fact have said the complete opposite
I've simply pointed out where there appear to be areas that would be problematic for Texas, why the would be problematic, and why some of the areas that Texas fans seem overly optimistic about may not be that way
I've also pointed out weak areas for ND that Texas could/should attack, etc.
There have just been a few folks that can't handle the discussion and meltdown into temper-tantrums
(though they've been funny to watch)
considering who those squads play....
Yeah, I don't get overly jacked when comparing defense/squads to Big 12 spread attack offenses. Like I had mentioned previously, The Big 12 had the top 3 offenses in the nation as well as 6 of10 in the top 25 for total offense, 5 of 10 in the top 25 for rushing offense and 5 of 10 in passing offense, it tend to kill the stat sheets.
Also mentioned previously, that super young 2015 Texas D faced 6 of the top 25 passing offenses (12 games) in the country, 4 of the top 25 rushing offenses, 5 of the top 10 offenses in the country not mentioning the other 2 that cracked the top 25, as well as 5 of the 20 best QB performers for 2015. Good school for the youngsters with lots of reps. I look forward to seeing how they come out of the gate for 2016.
Last year numbers:
452.6 yards per game
219.2 rushing yards per game allowed
233.4 passing yards allowed
5.63 yards per play
30.4 ppg allowed
Yeah, I don't get overly jacked when comparing defense/squads to Big 12 spread attack offenses. Like I had mentioned previously, The Big 12 had the top 3 offenses in the nation as well as 6 of10 in the top 25 for total offense, 5 of 10 in the top 25 for rushing offense and 5 of 10 in passing offense, it tend to kill the stat sheets.
Also mentioned previously, that super young 2015 Texas D faced 6 of the top 25 passing offenses (12 games) in the country, 4 of the top 25 rushing offenses, 5 of the top 10 offenses in the country not mentioning the other 2 that cracked the top 25, as well as 5 of the 20 best QB performers for 2015. Good school for the youngsters with lots of reps. I look forward to seeing how they come out of the gate for 2016.
Last year numbers:
452.6 yards per game
219.2 rushing yards per game allowed
233.4 passing yards allowed
5.63 yards per play
30.4 ppg allowed
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Pointing out what a low character person you are isn't doing anything to me.
Now tell us again how 25 rushing attempts equates to completely abandoning the run, proven liar.
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I kept thinking to myself, why do the Domer's feel so good about going 10-2 or better. Then I looked at last years schedule and this years. No wonder!
2015 wins:
Texas 5-7
Virginia 4-8
GT 3-9
FBS UMASS 3-9
Navy 10-2 American
USC 8-5
Temple 10-2 American lost title game to Houston
Pitt 8-4
Wake Forest 3-9
Boston College 3-9
10 wins with 4 coming against team with a winning record, 2 of which play in the American.
2016 schedule with 2015 W/L
Texas 5-7
Nevada 7-4 MWC
Michigan State 11-1
Duke 8-5
Syracuse 4-8
NC State 7-6
Stanford 10-2
Miami 8-5
Navy 10-2 American
Army 2-10
USC 8-5
The optimism begins to make much more sense.
2015 wins:
Texas 5-7
Virginia 4-8
GT 3-9
FBS UMASS 3-9
Navy 10-2 American
USC 8-5
Temple 10-2 American lost title game to Houston
Pitt 8-4
Wake Forest 3-9
Boston College 3-9
10 wins with 4 coming against team with a winning record, 2 of which play in the American.
2016 schedule with 2015 W/L
Texas 5-7
Nevada 7-4 MWC
Michigan State 11-1
Duke 8-5
Syracuse 4-8
NC State 7-6
Stanford 10-2
Miami 8-5
Navy 10-2 American
Army 2-10
USC 8-5
The optimism begins to make much more sense.
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It's not our fault. When you schedule USC, Texas, Miami, Stanford, MSU, 5-6 years ago you expect them all to be top 20 opponents. Four of those five are expected to be ranked. We set up games with Michigan, Georgia & FSU also the next couple years. We expect them to be good also.
And the optimism is really because of the team. I like this team a lot, especially next year since this is a sophomore dominant team. So winning 10 games this year is a nice set up for next year & after that.
I know Texas is young, but ND is pretty young also. The offense will be starting 7 sophomores, 2 juniors & 1 senior. The defense will be starting 4 seniors & a mix of sophomores/juniors depending on who wins the positions. And sophomore kickers & return men.
So yeah, I'm very optimistic of 10 wins with a young, talented team.
Not to mention last year winning 10 games, losing by 2 with under 10 seconds to play against both Clemson & Stanford on the road (both finished top 5).
And all that despite playing the majority of the season without QB, RB, RB, DL, CB, CB, TE, G, then lost another CB & Butkis LB for bowl.
I didn't insinuate anything to the contrary. They played some really bad teams, it is what it is. Purely based on schedule I see them winning 9 in 2016. Although, Athlon thinks you have the 4th hardest schedule so that may not come to fruition either. http://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-college-footballs-top-25-toughest-schedules-2016
I would have rather seen this series finish up with the last 2 of the original 4 game series, like you said. Both squads are young.
At least the talent is creeping up
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...football?campaign=tw-cf-sf31733639-sf31733639
Should be back in business before long.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...football?campaign=tw-cf-sf31733639-sf31733639
Should be back in business before long.
The point was reason for optimism. If you lose by 40 with a healthy team you have no optimism. You lose by 2 with freshmen you have optimism.
Last year I was giddy with the fact we were in the CFP hunt with freshmen QB, RB, TE, OL, DT, DE, CB, S, K, R.
So we should have optimism based off Cal and OSU, but No optimism based off TCU and ISU. Damn, it's a wash.
Honestly, that is the problem I would have if I was a Texas fan. The talent is there, but as you mentioned they didn't get off the bus for a few games. (ND, TCU, ISU)
Notre Dame was understandable in a sense, the other 2...Not so much. The TCU and ISU games are the only two that bothered me under this staff thus far. The TCU game started off well and boom Daje went down and turned the ball over, you could see the air get knocked out of them. The ISU game was one of the nuttiest games I have watched as the wheels fell of the short bus and they drove off the peak of Hell's Gate. I was pissed at the conclusion of that game, they never got off the plane. Charlie won't survive anymore of those.
In the end, they bounced back with star players missing the last couple of games and played through it. Needing to win both, they went 1-1. It hurt not having key personnel on defense versus the No. 3 offense of tech. Then they went up to Waco and kept BU one dimensional, giving up the run to prevent their pass happy offense from getting going while knocking out QB's. Solid win for they are plenty stacked with talent or were. Off to 2016.
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Those games were the games that got 3 ND coaches in a row fired.
When you are a top 10 program like ND & Texas you can never get beat by 3 or more scores to low level competition. Doesn't matter who you have on the field.
That's why I think CS has to win 8 this year. Really, between UTEP, ISU, Kansas, KSU, TTU, WVU & Cal you have 7.
I disagree, Charlie had to flip a roster and has done so in 2 years. HE's in year three which is usually the big move, but the moves that have been made and the youth a QB really make 2017 look like they year major progression shows on the field. Those losses will only matter if it rolls over into this season as well. He needs to be competitive in every game and that's asking a ton of this extremely young team that only has 25 upperclassmen of which very few are starting. He'll be fine with a 7-5 season if he gets a bowl win to follow and keep things moving.
Hopefully it's UTEP, CAL (late game West Coast), KU, KSU (although in Manhattan), TT (although in Lubbock), WV, ISU and Baylor... at a minimum of 8 and some surprises in between.
That's why I said 8. Malik will bounce after next year, so will all the other high level juniors. So if he only wins 6-7 this year, even with a 9-10 win season the next year you will be going into year five at .500 without Malik & company.
You have to lay a foundation of 8-9 wins this year if you want to challenge at all with Malik's class next year.
That's empty? He needs another recruiting class and a good season. Not 8-9 wins for momentum. The recruiting won't slow even with 7 wins. As long as he's pulling the kids that fit, it will get there. Malik, McCulloch, this year possibly Browning and/or Hines. They'll keep getting those players.
His overall record means very little based on the amount of change, it may cause people to get restless, but that's what fans do.
Heck McCulloch is already pushing Wheeler who is a blue chip recruit.
His overall record means very little based on the amount of change, it may cause people to get restless, but that's what fans do.
Heck McCulloch is already pushing Wheeler who is a blue chip recruit.
There is still the chance Texas has another bad season too. Freshman QB & Center, probably freshmen playing a lot at WR, a weak Dline.
We have all just assumed they will be better? They could improve in some areas & digress in others?
I feel the same way about ND. Our defense could end up being terrible & we might not sniff 10 wins.
The D-Line is not weak. There is Talent just not depth. 2 deep at end is just fine. 2 deep at DT is solid experienced guys with young talent behind them. That is the whole roster all over the field. As long as we are healthy we should be competitive. If we lose guys its like the tech game all over again.
Reading on here is where I get the Dline is weak. Seems most on here are very concerned about the Dline.
And depth is the key to Dline. Most teams have a solid 3-4 guys, but good Dlines are deep.
Just from reading this forum tells me that the Dline is what everyone is worried about.
Opening game they will get a good test. I'm really excited about our OLine.
And depth is the key to Dline. Most teams have a solid 3-4 guys, but good Dlines are deep.
Just from reading this forum tells me that the Dline is what everyone is worried about.
Opening game they will get a good test. I'm really excited about our OLine.
I'm excited to see how we use Devin Duvernay at 5'11 209 already added 10 lbs since on campus with his 4.38 speed. More like a running back then a slot receiver.
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