ADVERTISEMENT

ND line down to -3.5

That's what happened to OU last year. They built their team to play in the high pace 50-45 games of the Big12. They got punched in the mouth by a physical Texas & ran over by a balanced Clemson.

Which is exactly why I was trying to tell that other jackass that Texas will run a power spread, it won't be veer n shoot straight up Briles style. Charlie knows that his team has to remain physical and be able to pound the rock and control the clock not just score at will. Texas only averaged 145 yards passing per game last year, I look for that to increase by 60% which will put them a little over 200 yards per game and yes I expect it to compliment the run. I'm not looking for Baylor numbers and neither is our staff.
 
Which is exactly why I was trying to tell that other jackass that Texas will run a power spread, it won't be veer n shoot straight up Briles style. Charlie knows that his team has to remain physical and be able to pound the rock and control the clock not just score at will. Texas only averaged 145 yards passing per game last year, I look for that to increase by 60% which will put them a little over 200 yards per game and yes I expect it to compliment the run. I'm not looking for Baylor numbers and neither is our staff.

I think the critical point will come on 3rd down & obvious passing distance. If Texas can convert 3rd downs with a freshman QB they should be okay. But 3 & outs are a killer.
 
Top25 Rushing Offenses
Big12 - 6
AAC - 4
Mountain West - 4
ACC - 3
Sun Belt - 3
SEC - 2
Pac12 - 2
Big10 - 1
Independent - 1

Top50 Rushing Offenses
Mountain West - 8
Big12 - 8
ACC - 7
SEC - 7
AAC - 4
Sun Belt - 4
MAC - 4
Pac12 - 4
Big10 - 3
Independent - 2



I really don't see the statistical backing to say that the Big12 has better rushing offenses than other conferences, as a whole. Ummm... are you fvcking BLIND? You JUST POSTED that the Big 12 DOES have better rushing offenses than the rest of the country..... More top 50 rushing teams than anyone, more topp 25 teams....

It's pretty deep with solid rushing teams, but so are several other conferences, and the Big12 doesn't have a pile of elite teams (actually fewer than other conferences) The Big 12 STILL has more teams with top 25 rushing offenses than any other conference. Especially any of the other P5 conferences.

I really want to call you stupid.... and insult you. But, I mean at this point I am sure you already know what I would say, and that it would all be true.... and I just really dont have the energy to get in to it with you today junior.... even your own fan base has said you arent worth it on this very board..... so for the love of God... or Satan... or Puff the Magic Dragon - just stop posting.... please..
 
I think the critical point will come on 3rd down & obvious passing distance. If Texas can convert 3rd downs with a freshman QB they should be okay. But 3 & outs are a killer.
One of the absolute biggest issue last season, 102 in the nation on 3rd down conversion.
 
I didnt realize that everything this season is dictated by last year in any way shape or form.... also didnt realize that losing as much production and starts as you did doesnt hurt ND, just the rest of the world.... NEWS FLASH - this isnt last year and it isnt the game in South Bend.

You idiots are walking in to DKR, in the 1st week of the season, brutal heat and humidity, a young and hungry team looking for redemption at home and over 105K LOUD screaming drunk fans intent on giving you guys hell...

Make no mistake about it, this is a war but you guys act ike it is a walk in the park... Gonna be fun wathing Texas punch ND right inthe mouth to start things off and watch your team fold. And fwiw - the line is going the way it is bc more ppl are inclined to believe this game will go differently than YOU seem to think it will...

But play dumb and act ignorant while explaining why reality etc only applies to teams NOT named ND... come September it will be fun seeing you guys fade out of here and not coming back.... And when the final horn sounds, and Texas sits victorious by the score of 38-23, I intend to be at DKR - ON THE SIDELINES just so I can bottle and taste the domer tears........ may even make a GIF of it and post it here and on the Domer site every day simply bc those tears would be most refreshing.

Maybe one day you will understand double standards only hold up for so long before life comes along to make you eat them. When that happens to you in Austin this year, I will hook you up with some great salsa to make it go down easier though. ;)

We lost a lot of production, but seem to be better as a whole at receiver. It's a very talented group. Defense, we lost smith which would be like you losing Jefferson. Of course Jefferson isn't proven yet but the potential is there as his preseason AA status suggests. We've got a good QB that is top 5 or 6 preseason Heisman, and you guys will probably be starting a freshman QB, along with some freshman OLineman...

What I'm saying is both teams have their pluses and minuses. I don't think the crowd will be a factor. ND is experienced there. The main worry on my end is the heat. Especially in the second half cramping might be a big factor for some of NDS better athletes. We shall see. I do hope for an ND win, but I don't think it'll be anywhere near last year's performance.
 
We lost a lot of production, but seem to be better as a whole at receiver. It's a very talented group. Defense, we lost smith which would be like you losing Jefferson. Of course Jefferson isn't proven yet but the potential is there as his preseason AA status suggests. We've got a good QB that is top 5 or 6 preseason Heisman, and you guys will probably be starting a freshman QB, along with some freshman OLineman...

What I'm saying is both teams have their pluses and minuses. I don't think the crowd will be a factor. ND is experienced there. The main worry on my end is the heat. Especially in the second half cramping might be a big factor for some of NDS better athletes. We shall see. I do hope for an ND win, but I don't think it'll be anywhere near last year's performance.

We have been repeatedly told by ND fans that the heat won't be a factor. That the kick of temp won't be that different that a summer day in Southbend.
 
I obviously follow ND football closely, & I have never once heard heat as an excuse. Never.

These are 18-22 year old healthy males who practice in 90-95 degree heat for a month leading up to the game. If it's 100 the entire game, 10 degrees temp difference is still not enough.

Someone's mental strength has to be very weak if they even let the temperature creep into their mind.

If ND cannot play 4-6 seconds, wait 30 seconds, then repeat, they should cancel the program. Seriously, because they are physically weak, mentally weak & have no business calling themselves athletes.

But if you would still like to discuss the weather reports, feel free, it's your board.
 
I obviously follow ND football closely, & I have never once heard heat as an excuse. Never.

These are 18-22 year old healthy males who practice in 90-95 degree heat for a month leading up to the game. If it's 100 the entire game, 10 degrees temp difference is still not enough.

Someone's mental strength has to be very weak if they even let the temperature creep into their mind.

If ND cannot play 4-6 seconds, wait 30 seconds, then repeat, they should cancel the program. Seriously, because they are physically weak, mentally weak & have no business calling themselves athletes.

But if you would still like to discuss the weather reports, feel free, it's your board.

I have a PhD and I am an exercise science professor so I think I know a little about the topic . The issue becomes composition of sweat. Mental strength doesn't change the physiology of the human body. The major adaption is retention of sodium during exercise due to increased aldostorone sensativity. Fit guys will acclimate to the heat in about a week so if ND will spend between 7-10 days of exercise in 95+ degree weather then it shouldn't be a problem. Will your guys get that?

If not your guys are going to be sweating out more sodium per liter of sweat than our guys. For most it won't matter. They will be able to absorb enough sodium if they are drinking enough Gatorade. There are some that won't be able to restore the sodium and they will cramp so they will go back to the locker room for an IV. That will work for just about everyone. Its rare that an IV doesn't fix the issues with cramping. Only problem is time. It takes 10-15 minutes to get a guy into the locker room, get a liter of IV in them and get them back out to the field.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HornosaurusRex
I have a PhD and I am an exercise science professor so I think I know a little about the topic . The issue becomes composition of sweat. Mental strength doesn't change the physiology of the human body. The major adaption is retention of sodium during exercise due to increased aldostorone sensativity. Fit guys will acclimate to the heat in about a week so if ND will spend between 7-10 days of exercise in 95+ degree weather then it shouldn't be a problem. Will your guys get that?

If not your guys are going to be sweating out more sodium per liter of sweat than our guys. For most it won't matter. They will be able to absorb enough sodium if they are drinking enough Gatorade. There are some that won't be able to restore the sodium and they will cramp so they will go back to the locker room for an IV. That will work for just about everyone. Its rare that an IV doesn't fix the issues with cramping. Only problem is time. It takes 10-15 minutes to get a guy into the locker room, get a liter of IV in them and get them back out to the field.

We may need to look into the acrededation of whoever is handing out said PhD if you think there is a noticeable difference in the sweat composition of players who practice daily in temperatures in the 80s and 90s and temps about 10 degrees higher.....when the temperature at kickoff is likely to be right around 90 (and then drop further from there)

And don't try to go the route of "the field turf is hotter than the temp" as ND also practices on field turf, so that effect is the same for both teams.

We already danced this dance, and your own posted stats showed that your "the heat will significantly favor Texas" stance just doesn't hold water, for a normal night in Texas.

You're acting like this is a 2pm kickoff instead of a game that will likely have about as much game time after 9pm as before it.

Unless the day is unusually hot (which we won't know for a month or more) it's not likely to have a significant affect in the game.

Further, if it did have a significant impact, it's much more likely to damage the team with less depth, especially along the LOS
(Which I think even you woukd agree is Texas)

So.........
 
Accreditation is southern colleges and universities. It all has to do with maintaining core temp. A liter of Sweat will cool about 400 watts assuming humidity isn't to high. In order to maintain a core temp of between 99-101 in 95 degrees requires much more sweat per hour than in lets say 85. The main adaptation to increased heat is increased sweat earlier in exercise and more dilute sweat which leads to a lower core temp. If you aren't exercising in that type of heat your body won't produce the sweat which is adapted to that type of sweat.

The 90 day forecast are already out. Average high for the 4th is 94. They are predicting 95 and sunny. If that happens it will be 100-105 at kick off. If guys aren't training at that temp thier body won't be adapted to optimal cooling at that tem
 
ou're acting like this is a 2pm kickoff instead of a game that will likely have about as much game time after 9pm as before it.


Decker....are you for real?....I dont know about South Bend but around here football games generally last 3-3 1/2 hours. ....game starts at 630 PM??...That leaves 2 1/2 hrs until 9PM...By all counts that leaves less than 1 hour to go....Do you think it will run past 10 PM?'

I give up telling you that it is staying around 90 degrees until 10 PM
 
I wrote out a long detailed post yesterday, then deleted it because who cares? Lol

To summarize it without boring you to death (because I can do that):

Graduated from Indiana University School of Medicine in 2009.
Served in AF Special Duty Assignment from '97-'05.
Co-Founder of Indy Boxing & Grappling.

Sent the info to the Sports Medicine Director at the National Institute for Fitness and Sports (NIFS) here in Indy. Not only is he a medical doctor, he trumps me because he is the sports medicine director who works with Olympic & World Class endurance athletes.

He says all the talk & "facts" said on here is "a lot of mumbo jumbo that is only relevant in severe cases."
He said "an increase of 10 degrees when over 55 degrees will cause a decrease in performance by 1.5% in an average athlete."
"Since both teams will have a decrease, Texas may start the decrease a few minutes later. They might have a .5% performance advantage. So pretty much none."

He said all the other talk is just people speaking out their rears trying to sound smart.
He said if anyone would like the actual medical guidelines feel free to contact NIFS.

You can all believe whatever you like, but according to one of the nation's top sports medicine doctors the conditions will not be severe enough to cause an advantage over a half a percent. All the other junk we are spewing is just a bunch of people trying to sound smart. (Which he already knows I am not, lol).

That is my final comment about this since he has made it clear to me I am being stupid & wasting my time. So count me out on this subject moving forward.
 
I wrote out a long detailed post yesterday, then deleted it because who cares? Lol

To summarize it without boring you to death (because I can do that):

Graduated from Indiana University School of Medicine in 2009.
Served in AF Special Duty Assignment from '97-'05.
Co-Founder of Indy Boxing & Grappling.

Sent the info to the Sports Medicine Director at the National Institute for Fitness and Sports (NIFS) here in Indy. Not only is he a medical doctor, he trumps me because he is the sports medicine director who works with Olympic & World Class endurance athletes.

He says all the talk & "facts" said on here is "a lot of mumbo jumbo that is only relevant in severe cases."
He said "an increase of 10 degrees when over 55 degrees will cause a decrease in performance by 1.5% in an average athlete."
"Since both teams will have a decrease, Texas may start the decrease a few minutes later. They might have a .5% performance advantage. So pretty much none."

He said all the other talk is just people speaking out their rears trying to sound smart.
He said if anyone would like the actual medical guidelines feel free to contact NIFS.

You can all believe whatever you like, but according to one of the nation's top sports medicine doctors the conditions will not be severe enough to cause an advantage over a half a percent. All the other junk we are spewing is just a bunch of people trying to sound smart. (Which he already knows I am not, lol).

That is my final comment about this since he has made it clear to me I am being stupid & wasting my time. So count me out on this subject moving forward.

Your doctor buddy is correct but he doesn't quite understand the research or is misapplying it to the current discussion. The 1.5% is accurate for steady state aerobic performance. But it makes sense since he is an endurance guy. Football is not an endurance sport and aerobic capacity is not really a major factor in performance on the field. Aerobic fitness helps with recovery between short high intensity sprints so in the heat it might take a guy a few more seconds to recover from a sprint. The truth is the heat doesn't really affect anaerobic performance and fit guys shouldn't have any problem recovering from repeated sprints of 5-15 yards with a 15-30 second recovery interval. That's why no on on this broad is saying that the heat will give us a performance related advantage.

What you need to go is go back to your Dr. friend and ask him about sweats role in maintaining core temperature in the heat, how much cooling sweat provides at a given humidity level and how the composition of sweat changes due to acclimation of exertion in the heat. Then you need to ask about aldostorne sensitivity and how it alters the concentration of sodium in sweat. You also need to ask about the sodium re-absorption in the small intestine and the factors that would limit some peoples ability to absorb sodium from electrolyte drinks. Then ask him if guys are at a greater risk of craps if they are training in 80-85 degree weather and then are asked to perform in 95-100 degree weather.

But then again I am just talking out of my ass. I am just a dumb exercise science professor at a little catholic university of the west side of San Antonio. Most of my kids are going to be coaches and teachers in Texas schools and in Texas schools our fall sports kids don't need to worry about exercising in the heat. So when I teach exercise physiology or strength and conditioning classes I just talk out of my ass because my students don't really need to know this stuff.
 
They might have a .5% performance advantage
50246-so-youre-saying-theres-a-chanc-toCD.jpeg
 
I wrote out a long detailed post yesterday, then deleted it because who cares? Lol

To summarize it without boring you to death (because I can do that):

Graduated from Indiana University School of Medicine in 2009.
Served in AF Special Duty Assignment from '97-'05.
Co-Founder of Indy Boxing & Grappling.

Sent the info to the Sports Medicine Director at the National Institute for Fitness and Sports (NIFS) here in Indy. Not only is he a medical doctor, he trumps me because he is the sports medicine director who works with Olympic & World Class endurance athletes.

He says all the talk & "facts" said on here is "a lot of mumbo jumbo that is only relevant in severe cases."
He said "an increase of 10 degrees when over 55 degrees will cause a decrease in performance by 1.5% in an average athlete."
"Since both teams will have a decrease, Texas may start the decrease a few minutes later. They might have a .5% performance advantage. So pretty much none."

He said all the other talk is just people speaking out their rears trying to sound smart.
He said if anyone would like the actual medical guidelines feel free to contact NIFS.

You can all believe whatever you like, but according to one of the nation's top sports medicine doctors the conditions will not be severe enough to cause an advantage over a half a percent. All the other junk we are spewing is just a bunch of people trying to sound smart. (Which he already knows I am not, lol).

That is my final comment about this since he has made it clear to me I am being stupid & wasting my time. So count me out on this subject moving forward.

I wonder if said "expert" was taking in to consideration mental aspets that would playing right along with the physical aspects the entire time.... you're getting smashed in the mouth repeatedly and are hot and wore out.... do you have the mental fortitude to step up your game or do you fold and just do enough to finith the game.... all it takes is a bad play or 2 from a cpl players to throw mindsets in the gutter as the heat pounds your team.... then it is like dominos....

think about it.. how much of performance is mental focus and acuity? Especially in football.....
 
Your doctor buddy is correct but he doesn't quite understand the research or is misapplying it to the current discussion. The 1.5% is accurate for steady state aerobic performance. But it makes sense since he is an endurance guy. Football is not an endurance sport and aerobic capacity is not really a major factor in performance on the field. Aerobic fitness helps with recovery between short high intensity sprints so in the heat it might take a guy a few more seconds to recover from a sprint. The truth is the heat doesn't really affect anaerobic performance and fit guys shouldn't have any problem recovering from repeated sprints of 5-15 yards with a 15-30 second recovery interval. That's why no on on this broad is saying that the heat will give us a performance related advantage.

What you need to go is go back to your Dr. friend and ask him about sweats role in maintaining core temperature in the heat, how much cooling sweat provides at a given humidity level and how the composition of sweat changes due to acclimation of exertion in the heat. Then you need to ask about aldostorne sensitivity and how it alters the concentration of sodium in sweat. You also need to ask about the sodium re-absorption in the small intestine and the factors that would limit some peoples ability to absorb sodium from electrolyte drinks. Then ask him if guys are at a greater risk of craps if they are training in 80-85 degree weather and then are asked to perform in 95-100 degree weather.

But then again I am just talking out of my ass. I am just a dumb exercise science professor at a little catholic university of the west side of San Antonio. Most of my kids are going to be coaches and teachers in Texas schools and in Texas schools our fall sports kids don't need to worry about exercising in the heat. So when I teach exercise physiology or strength and conditioning classes I just talk out of my ass because my students don't really need to know this stuff.


:eek:
I say this a lot, especially in the science relm. Everyone has an answer. They use fancy words and numbers to make sound good.
He gave an answer.
You demolished his answer unlike anything I've seen year to date. Oh the benefits of actually knowing what you're talking about.

Decision:
Heat argument over. It will be a problem - as we've seen every year with multiple teams.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CaptainZigZag
I still laugh when I see someone say the temp will start dropping when the sun goes down.
 
For fit guys the heat really won't affect performance. It will however increase the risk of cramping. It will increase the risk a bit more for the ND guys. That's all I have been saying. Never thought I would get so much push back. Seems like common sense for those of us who played and coached football in this state.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TexExSpur
when Jimmy Johnsos took over coaching the Cowboys he immediately moved the training camp from California to Austin....because he thought the only way you could really get into shape was by training in the heat. Maybe he really knew something....maybe he didnt. I started talking about all this heat just to make a dig on Decker. I doubt it really is a factor, but I bet this....on the plane ride back to South Bend, those Domers are gonna say....damn!...it was hot there.
 
I hate to be the devil's advocate, but can anyone point out a game where the heat was a significant advantage for Texas? I just don't remember any games when a significant factor was the other team losing players because of heat issues.
 
funny you say that......most of the early games we have here are with teams from Texas .....regardless...a ND poster on Horn sports says that the team is practicing with only non iced water to drink and has all misters on the prectice field turned off and fans only on low speed to get them ready for the heat. Like I said...I just started talking about the heat to rag on Decker and he took it serious. In all reality I doubt the heat plays a big role, It will be just as hot on both sides of the field.







except that our side will be in the shade.....hmmmmm...
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT