Opinions welcomed

[weevilcatch]

Texas ties it at 10. OU scores in 3 plays 75 yards
Texas gets back to within 3. OU scores in 6 plays 75 yards.
Texas gets within a TD. OU scores in 5 plays 75 yards

Defense choke? Get comfortable? Tired?

Orlando go ghost? Overrated? Outsmarted?

Riley clutch in PC? Focus go up?

what say you guys? To me, this was the most frustrating part about the game.
Wanted to hear some other opinions

 

[clob94]

I'll watch the game again tomorrow and Scout it. We couldn't set the edge to save our life. We also couldn't contain Hurts or keep the running lanes clogged when he broke contain. Our defense played sloppy as fvck in between the red zones.

 

[LonghornMM]

To me, the game was lost on four things.

1. 0U running the ball and Texas' lack of a running game.
2. Coaching. Texas was out decisively coached.
3. Poor OL play.
4. Poor fundamental tackling on defense.

 

[weevilcatch]

I'll watch the game again tomorrow and Scout it. We couldn't set the edge to save our life. We also couldn't contain Hurts or keep the running lanes clogged when he broke contain. Our defense played sloppy as fvck in between the red zones.

why oh why would you do that to yourself? Hahaha

 

[clob94]

why oh why would you do that to yourself? Hahaha

Eh. I am interested in seeing how we are running cover 6 and cover 8 yet the middle of the field seemed empty when Hurts would tuck and run. Likewise, how we could be running the same coverages yet we couldn't set the edge with our DBs. It's a contradiction that I have yet to figure out.

 

[weevilcatch]

Eh. I am interested in seeing how we are running cover 6 and cover 8 yet the middle of the field seemed empty when Hurts would tuck and run. Likewise, how we could be running the same coverages yet we couldn't set the edge with our DBs. It's a contradiction that I have yet to figure out.

I hear ya. I used to rewatch much more than now, but focus on O. Now I have lots of kids and not as much time.

 

[westx]

Two opinions:
1) mouthy secondary are lame tacklers
2) BeckHerman offensive strategy and adjustment is not good. I don’t blame the O line for the opposing team’s aggressiveness when you don’t combat it with appropriate play calling.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Opinions: are like assholes , everyone has one!...quoted from Revelations somewhere...I forget where!
Number 1 is we need some new plays, everyone in NCAA knows what play we gonna run
Number 2 is Sam can't run all the time and carry the team and trying hard to win he makes stupid mistakes like running when he shouldn't, but the OL won't hold their blocks or, the WR's , some of them can't get open for lack of chucking a block or stumping their toes or adjusting their Nutsack and running routes to get open, the Swing Pass must go, and The Greg Davis Special gotta go and the Sam to Ingram or Rojo every other play also,do we still have Jet Sweep or anyone fast enough to run it, How did we ever miss out on Pooka?? In all seriousness we need a OC that can mix plays and make these things work , what we have now, Beck, Herman can't do it...the OL is a walking Clusterfu*k waiting for something to happen, Thats the problem nowadays Coaches want to be CEO's and blame someone else for the failure to launch, I always like a coach that was a working coach calling his own plays, saying things like " This shit gonna stop come Monday or I will be running your asses everyday from Sunup to Dark and no water breaks! Water is for Winners! we will just play next game without a practice, a Coach that is likes but feared is a winner, you can coach a FB team to win or ya can run it like a Beer Joint in Downtown Houston
The Real Reason is they need to get rid of the NCAA, and the Downtown Athletic Club and play FB the way its supposed to be!

Oh Well! Its gonna be a long time again! and Herman's not gonna be there when we do, it will be someone else...again!

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Tim Beck was a failure at Nebraska & he is a failure at Texas because we did NOTHING on offense in the first half yesterday. They could have stayed in the locker room & come out for that last 2 minute drive before the half.

 

[Cotton #12]

The sooners showed more talent and speed that the longhorns could not match on both sides of the ball and sub par coaching against it.

 

[bschroed21]

Where is the offensive innovation from having Fedora and the guy from KSU on the staff? We seem easy to defend outside of our WRs maybe winning in man coverage once in awhile.

 

[dj701919]

1. Our QB played his worse game in a year and a half.
2. I can't explain what is going on with Keontay Ingram.
3. Our best RB is the 3rd string QB - How different will it be when our RB depth chart looks more like: Whittington, Brown, Robinson, Ingram, Jordan, Johnson?
4. We do not block well enough or get off blocks well enough on the perimeter. Our DBs get blocked to easily and our WRs don't block well enough.
5. In 2 years, Sterns, Foster, Green, Cook, Jamison, Adimora, Watson, Adelye?, Ossai, Colburn, Graham, Omojo and Sweat will all be Jrs and Srs. Our defense will be vastly improved.
6. We need to include more downhill run plays into the offense. Things that allow our lineman to fire off the ball. In my opinion, this lateral passing/zone read BS needs to be toned down. You have to be able to block on the perimeter effectively to run all of this jet sweep action and WR tunnel screens.
7. In my opinion, we are still 1 to 2 years away on our oline being where we want it to be. How Hookfin, Johnson, and Shepard fit in next year will be interesting.
8. I think people get fooled by some of these quick turn around jobs. Some coaches walk into situations that are much better than others. This is year 3 and ask yourself how many of our contributors are from the previous regime. That means that we are very young.

 

[Plainosooner]

1. Our QB played his worse game in a year and a half.
2. I can't explain what is going on with Keontay Ingram.
3. Our best RB is the 3rd string QB - How different will it be when our RB depth chart looks more like: Whittington, Brown, Robinson, Ingram, Jordan, Johnson?
4. We do not block well enough or get off blocks well enough on the perimeter. Our DBs get blocked to easily and our WRs don't block well enough.
5. In 2 years, Sterns, Foster, Green, Cook, Jamison, Adimora, Watson, Adelye?, Ossai, Colburn, Graham, Omojo and Sweat will all be Jrs and Srs. Our defense will be vastly improved.
6. We need to include more downhill run plays into the offense. Things that allow our lineman to fire off the ball. In my opinion, this lateral passing/zone read BS needs to be toned down. You have to be able to block on the perimeter effectively to run all of this jet sweep action and WR tunnel screens.
7. In my opinion, we are still 1 to 2 years away on our oline being where we want it to be. How Hookfin, Johnson, and Shepard fit in next year will be interesting.
8. I think people get fooled by some of these quick turn around jobs. Some coaches walk into situations that are much better than others. This is year 3 and ask yourself how many of our contributors are from the previous regime. That means that we are very young.

I come here respectfully.

This is a sensible, worthwhile post. Both teams we missing key guys. Texas was missing a lot more. There isn't anybody I know of in the country, including the top three or four, who could loses multiple players in the secondary, and compete well against a good passing attack. Unless you guys lose more players, you'll very likely make the CCG, and get a chance to do it again, indoors and likely with a crowd advantage again.

The Texas defense did a good job against OU's offense. The strategy seemed to be bend not break, then play great in the red zone. The trick play turned things around after UT tied it at 10-10. But most of the 2nd half, the Horns' offense moved it pretty well. You scored 24 after halftime.

When you get a running back room back to somewhere close to normal, and get your DB's healthy, it will be a different match.

 

[q1w2e3]

1. Our QB played his worse game in a year and a half.
2. I can't explain what is going on with Keontay Ingram.
3. Our best RB is the 3rd string QB - How different will it be when our RB depth chart looks more like: Whittington, Brown, Robinson, Ingram, Jordan, Johnson?
4. We do not block well enough or get off blocks well enough on the perimeter. Our DBs get blocked to easily and our WRs don't block well enough.
5. In 2 years, Sterns, Foster, Green, Cook, Jamison, Adimora, Watson, Adelye?, Ossai, Colburn, Graham, Omojo and Sweat will all be Jrs and Srs. Our defense will be vastly improved.
6. We need to include more downhill run plays into the offense. Things that allow our lineman to fire off the ball. In my opinion, this lateral passing/zone read BS needs to be toned down. You have to be able to block on the perimeter effectively to run all of this jet sweep action and WR tunnel screens.
7. In my opinion, we are still 1 to 2 years away on our oline being where we want it to be. How Hookfin, Johnson, and Shepard fit in next year will be interesting.
8. I think people get fooled by some of these quick turn around jobs. Some coaches walk into situations that are much better than others. This is year 3 and ask yourself how many of our contributors are from the previous regime. That means that we are very young.

Great post.

The coaches will never say it and call out players, but OU has better talent/difference makers overall right now. Gallimore and Perkins on the DL and Murray at LB are all better than anything Texas has on D. Add in how many DB injuries there are: Sterns, Green, and Thompson out plus Brown, Foster (and Mcullough) were all injured during the game. On offense Texas has no one like Lamb and their RB room is better too.

Despite that Texas still held the number one or two offense in the country to only 10 points in the first half and 34 overall. Not great, but I think the offense was the bigger problem overall.

Texas doesn't currently have any beasts on the DL yet either. Zero sacks vs. OU....OU had nine. Last yearTexas had a DL that had 10 sacks on the season. (Omenihu).

On offense I was surprised with how much pressure from start to finish OU put on the OL. I was also surprised with how well their DB's covered. And the few times Texas WR's would get separation Sam would under-throw the deep ball or the WR would often drop the slant.

I'm curious to hear the pro x and o's guys on the board explain why Texas struggled so much with OU run game. At the stadium it was bewildering how many times Texas was totally lost. I was also very underwhelmed by Jalen Hurts as QB. He is not anything to speak of as a passer/decision maker, but he is hell of a runner and athlete.

Overall I fell like I did before the season: that Texas is a year or two away from being elite. They don't have enough upper-class elite player makers or depth and will need that time for Herman's 2018, 2019, and 2020 classes to develop.

 

[weevilcatch]

The sooners showed more talent and speed that the longhorns could not match on both sides of the ball and sub par coaching against it.

I don’t believe this for a second. We can’t do the we don’t have talent and speed excuse any more. OU played faster and more physical than expected and Texas had no answers.

 

[freeper]

@LonghornMM ....trash clean up....Aisle One....

 

[LonghornMM]

@LonghornMM ....trash clean up....Aisle One....

Thank you, sir. Trash taken out!

 

[freeper]

Thank you, sir. Trash taken out!

We must all do our part to keep Texas beautiful....

 

[dj701919]

I don’t believe this for a second. We can’t do the we don’t have talent and speed excuse any more. OU played faster and more physical than expected and Texas had no answers.

I agree. This is a failure to adjust/execute issue.

 

[q1w2e3]

I don’t believe this for a second. We can’t do the we don’t have talent and speed excuse any more. OU played faster and more physical than expected and Texas had no answers.

Against OU, believe it. It's not a big gap, and can be closed quickly.

Right now OU is projected to have four players taken in the top 50 picks of the NFL draft. How many for Texas? Zero.

Do we have anyone on the front seven at the level of Murray, Perkins, and Gallimore?

Do we have a play-maker like CD Lamb, or even a Trey Sermon?

The best OL on the field was OU's Creed.

Just go look at all conference teams and draft picks over the last five years. Where is all the "talent" and elite play-makers Texas is supposed to have?

 

[Belldozer1]

1. Our QB played his worse game in a year and a half.
2. I can't explain what is going on with Keontay Ingram.
3. Our best RB is the 3rd string QB - How different will it be when our RB depth chart looks more like: Whittington, Brown, Robinson, Ingram, Jordan, Johnson?
4. We do not block well enough or get off blocks well enough on the perimeter. Our DBs get blocked to easily and our WRs don't block well enough.
5. In 2 years, Sterns, Foster, Green, Cook, Jamison, Adimora, Watson, Adelye?, Ossai, Colburn, Graham, Omojo and Sweat will all be Jrs and Srs. Our defense will be vastly improved.
6. We need to include more downhill run plays into the offense. Things that allow our lineman to fire off the ball. In my opinion, this lateral passing/zone read BS needs to be toned down. You have to be able to block on the perimeter effectively to run all of this jet sweep action and WR tunnel screens.
7. In my opinion, we are still 1 to 2 years away on our oline being where we want it to be. How Hookfin, Johnson, and Shepard fit in next year will be interesting.
8. I think people get fooled by some of these quick turn around jobs. Some coaches walk into situations that are much better than others. This is year 3 and ask yourself how many of our contributors are from the previous regime. That means that we are very young.

Texas has had higher ranked recruiting classes than OU 4 of the last 5 years so it’s not a talent problem. Even when Strong got canned Texas was recruiting well.

 

[Belldozer1]

Great post.

The coaches will never say it and call out players, but OU has better talent/difference makers overall right now. Gallimore and Perkins on the DL and Murray at LB are all better than anything Texas has on D. Add in how many DB injuries there are: Sterns, Green, and Thompson out plus Brown, Foster (and Mcullough) were all injured during the game. On offense Texas has no one like Lamb and their RB room is better too.

Despite that Texas still held the number one or two offense in the country to only 10 points in the first half and 34 overall. Not great, but I think the offense was the bigger problem overall.

Texas doesn't currently have any beasts on the DL yet either. Zero sacks vs. OU....OU had nine. Last yearTexas had a DL that had 10 sacks on the season. (Omenihu).

On offense I was surprised with how much pressure from start to finish OU put on the OL. I was also surprised with how well their DB's covered. And the few times Texas WR's would get separation Sam would under-throw the deep ball or the WR would often drop the slant.

I'm curious to hear the pro x and o's guys on the board explain why Texas struggled so much with OU run game. At the stadium it was bewildering how many times Texas was totally lost. I was also very underwhelmed by Jalen Hurts as QB. He is not anything to speak of as a passer/decision maker, but he is hell of a runner and athlete.

Overall I fell like I did before the season: that Texas is a year or two away from being elite. They don't have enough upper-class elite player makers or depth and will need that time for Herman's 2018, 2019, and 2020 classes to develop.

It’s coaching. You yourself have said on this board what a great job Patterson does with less talent. Take OU’s defense. Our defense is comprised of approx 95% of the same players from last year but what has changed? Why are we a top 50 defense rather than 107th like last year? Grinch. Plain and simple.

Gallimore was there last year starting, Murray was starting, Perkins was starting. Did any of those guys stand out to you last year? I and many others wanted Murray benched.The only different personnel on D we have this year is our OLB White and one of our safeties, Turner-Yell.Both of those guys got playing time last year too. We have been getting a true freshman some time at corner too but he’s not a starter. So, Grinch isn’t having to get “his guys” before showing improvements he’s improving the exact same players we’ve had.

 

[dj701919]

It’s coaching. You yourself have said on this board what a great job Patterson does with less talent. Take OU’s defense. Our defense is comprised of approx 95% of the same players from last year but what has changed? Why are we a top 50 defense rather than 107th like last year? Grinch. Plain and simple.

Gallimore was there last year starting, Murray was starting, Perkins was starting. Did any of those guys stand out to you last year? I and many others wanted Murray benched.The only different personnel on D we have this year is our OLB White and one of our safeties, Turner-Yell.Both of those guys got playing time last year too. We have been getting a true freshman some time at corner too but he’s not a starter. So, Grinch isn’t having to get “his guys” before showing improvements he’s improving the exact same players we’ve had.

Your right the human doesn't mature physically, mentally, an emotionally between the ages of 18-21.
All of the players on the field yesterday were the exact same as they were last year at this time.

 

[Belldozer1]

Your right the human doesn't mature physically, mentally, an emotionally between the ages of 18-21.
All of the players on the field yesterday were the exact same as they were last year at this time.

How come your players aren’t experienceing the same growth maturation process then? You’ve been rebuilding since 09’ At some point you have to look at your coaches and call a spade, a spade, DJ. Someone on here, either you or @q1w2e3 were on here last week harping about how our defense last year was Riley’s sole fault which is laughable but Riley knew there was an issue and fired Mike Stoops. So, I guess if our defensive woes were Riley’s fault, he should be lauded now as not just an offensive genius but now as a defensive genius since our defense appears to be turning around for the better?

 

[dj701919]

How come your players aren’t experienceing the same growth maturation process then? You’ve been rebuilding since 09’ At some point you have to look at your coaches and call a spade, a spade, DJ. Someone on here, either you or @q1w2e3 were on here last week harping about how our defense last year was Riley’s sole fault which is laughable but Riley knew there was an issue and fired Mike Stoops. So, I guess if our defensive woes were Riley’s fault, he should be lauded now as not just an offensive genius but now as a defensive genius since our defense appears to be turning around for the better?

Are you referring to your post comparing Lincoln Riley, someone who has never coached in a NC game to Nick Saban, a 6 time NC?

Lincoln Riley is a good HC. Tom Herman is a good head coach. To act as though they have both been dealt the same hand is ridiculous. That doesn't diminish what either has accomplished. It's just a fact.

Last year, Texas had 2 CBs and a front 7 loaded with upperclassmen, now they don't. Todd Orlando is still a great DC.

 

[Belldozer1]

Are you referring to your post comparing Lincoln Riley, someone who has never coached in a NC game to Nick Saban, a 6 time NC?

Lincoln Riley is a good HC. Tom Herman is a good head coach. To act as though they have both been dealt the same hand is ridiculous. That doesn't diminish what either has accomplished. It's just a fact.

Last year, Texas had 2 CBs and a front 7 loaded with upperclassmen, now they don't. Todd Orlando is still a great DC.

We have a new Oline sans our center and they controlled the line of scrimmage all game, that’s coaching, sorry.

Again, Texas has recruited better than OU 4 out of the last 5 years -fact.

Riley is simply doing a good job evaluating talent. He is now getting our D turned around.

 

[dj701919]

We have a new Oline sans our center and they controlled the line of scrimmage all game, that’s coaching, sorry.

Again, Texas has recruited better than OU 4 out of the last 5 years -fact.

Riley is simply doing a good job evaluating talent. He is now getting our D turned around.

Can you please tell me what it is that you want me to post, so I can attempt to stear this thread back on topic?

Another thread that you have hijacked with your pro sooner propaganda. You realize that gooner has their own message board, with like minded people that love nothing more than vicariously blowing Lincoln Riley.

I heard at church yesterday that God asked Jesus to move down one so Riley could have his seat.

 

[HornsRuleU]

To me, the game was lost on four things.
1. 0U running the ball and Texas' lack of a running game.
2. Coaching. Texas was out decisively coached.
3. Poor OL play.
4. Poor fundamental tackling on defense.

Your #3 and #4 need to go higher.

5. Injuries to secondary played a huge role, going in, especially with someone like CeeDee Lamb.

6. And starting position. Duvernay and Herman's coaching of Duvernay. Brandon Jones' interception in the EZ. Stay in the EZ unless you REALLY see the seam! Same for Duvernay on KO returns.

7. Roach's getting tossed didn't help.

Sam didn't get much of a chance, given the way that OU's DL/etc played compared to Texas' OL. But he didn't play that well.

OU really dispelled any notion that their defense isn't up to championship level. At least against Texas. Well done to them.

And our OL dispelled some notions, too.

 

[Belldozer1]

Can you please tell me what it is that you want me to post, so I can attempt to stear this thread back on topic?

Another thread that you have hijacked with your pro sooner propaganda. You realize that gooner has their own message board, with like minded people that love nothing more than vicariously blowing Lincoln Riley.

I heard at church yesterday that God asked Jesus to move down one so Riley could have his seat.

DJ I’m simply responding to the posts in this thread. I post here everyday. Since OU played Texas and there seems to be bewilderment about why Texas lost and how OU’s defense is improved etc. I feel qualified to respond. If you don’t want to respond to my posts, then don’t. Nothing inflammatory whatsoever or derailing about them. Just dealing in facts DJ.....

 

[q1w2e3]

Texas has had higher ranked recruiting classes than OU 4 of the last 5 years so it’s not a talent problem. Even when Strong got canned Texas was recruiting well.

Seriously? Are you just trolling or do you really think it’s that simple?

 

[q1w2e3]

It’s coaching. You yourself have said on this board what a great job Patterson does with less talent. Take OU’s defense. Our defense is comprised of approx 95% of the same players from last year but what has changed? Why are we a top 50 defense rather than 107th like last year? Grinch. Plain and simple.

Gallimore was there last year starting, Murray was starting, Perkins was starting. Did any of those guys stand out to you last year? I and many others wanted Murray benched.The only different personnel on D we have this year is our OLB White and one of our safeties, Turner-Yell.Both of those guys got playing time last year too. We have been getting a true freshman some time at corner too but he’s not a starter. So, Grinch isn’t having to get “his guys” before showing improvements he’s improving the exact same players we’ve had.

That’s a neat story about YOUR team, mixed in with hyperbole. For OU it’s both a coaching and personnel improvement. Shocking. Murray was always a badass and Galamore, Perkins and the rest are a year older, experienced, and better.

Texas is an entirely different boat than Oklahoma right now and you can’t just do an apples to apples comparison.

 

[dj701919]

DJ I’m simply responding to the posts in this thread. I post here everyday. Since OU played Texas and there seems to be bewilderment about why Texas lost and how OU’s defense is improved etc. I feel qualified to respond. If you don’t want to respond to my posts, then don’t. Nothing inflammatory whatsoever or derailing about them. Just dealing in facts DJ.....

It's not bewilderment to how gooner won. It's what are our issues and how can they be fixed.

Noting the youth we have on defense is not making excuses for their poor play or slighting the paperclip It's an observation that with time, they should improve.

Identifying the weakness of the RB position is not to discredit the performance of the gooner defense. We had a guy transfer, a guy that has never been able to stay healthy, a guy that fumbles everytime you look at him, a guy have a stroke, and I guy that appears incapable of internalizing. Those are the facts, regardless of recruiting rankings.

Observing that our entire front 7 has been replaced is not an excuse for them being pushed around yesterday, but an acknowledgment that with more seasoning, they will get better.

I apologize if our evaluation of our team doesn't do enough to acknowledge the vast superiority of Lincoln Riley or gooner football. That was not the conversation we were having.

 

[fatman76]

Your right the human doesn't mature physically, mentally, an emotionally between the ages of 18-21.
All of the players on the field yesterday were the exact same as they were last year at this time.

@Belldozer1 gets it...Mike Stoops was one of the worst DC's in all of CFB the last several years...those of you who think OU is ruthless and fires coaches at the drop of a hat go look up where OU's defense ranked the last 3-4 years. Biggest knock on Riley is his inability to nut up to Bob and can his washed up brother (and several on his staff whose units consistently under performed). Mike is now in the Nick Saban Coaches Rehabilitation Program if you didn't know.

Time will tell if Grinch is actually that much better than Mike or if there just wasn't enough info on what he likes to do for UT to prepare/adjust. But those kids listed above are mature guys that have only been in his system for a few months, they are very much the same dudes you saw last season.

 

[boomerg]

OU missed several opportunities and game was not as close as the score. Big XII Championship will be worse for horns! #hornsdown!

 

[weevilcatch]

OU missed several opportunities and game was not as close as the score. Big XII Championship will be worse for horns! #hornsdown!

You sound like Texas fans last year...you know when you clowns were actually down by 21.

I swear you people are dumb as ****. It is alarming how incredibly biased, hypocritical and morally bankrupt most sooner fans are. Quite a few good ones, but that obviously is not you.