OT: Las Vegas active shooter
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I certainly wouldn't call my assumptions strange that rather someone who would never think to do anything like this who also figured that a hotel casino on the Las Vegas Strip might actually have metal detectors because there is a freaking Casino inside of the hotel and they probably want to make sure people are not bringing in guns because again it is a casino.
Then again I guess I'm giving Las Vegas casinos too much credit. Like seriously what if he came down the elevator with a couple of those semi-automatic rifles and just started killing people in the lobby and also in the casino itself? From what you guys are telling me he probably could have killed a lot more people that much closer range if he had just done that instead. And the casino hotels don't have metal detectors SMH.
He wouldn't have killed 59 ppl in the casino. Not saying there wouldn't be casualties but he would have taken a bullet or bullets before that would happen. He knew what he was doing. There's security in the casino but they aren't monitoring what is on you or in your bag. There's entirely to many ppl to frisk coming and going. It's not an amusement park or arena.
You know how you go from one bar to another on 6th Street well imagine doing that on the Strip with casinos/hotels. Now imagine there being multiple entries to those same places with thousands to millions of visitors a day. I'd bet Bellagio and Ceasars probably gets a million a day going through the lobby, casino and shopping mall.
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I've always been one of those guys that believes the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. But not in this case. I'm simply not buying this 'lone gunman goes crazy' narrative.
A couple of things . . .
1. It took months to acquire all those guns and ammo. He didn't do that in a week's time. That takes planning and self control. That doesn't sound like a crazy person to me.
2. He sends 100k to his girlfriend in the Phillipines just prior to his massacre. Again, not the work of a crazy person. There was a reason for that.
3. Phillipines has a large Muslim population. Coincidence? I don't think so but it might be.
4. Girlfriend just happens to be out of the country when this happened? Not buying that at all. Again, that was planned well in advance.
5. He apparently stops half way through his rampage and offs himself? Why? The PoPo weren't banging at his door when he did that . . . so why stop? His morals suddenly kick in?
6. A country music concert, just another coincidence? I really doubt that too. Lots of gun loving conservative Christian folks at those things. This didn't happen to a Madonna concert crowd.
I think this guy did this for either political and/or religious reasons and was manipulated into doing it by someone else. Half way through he realizes what he actually had just done and offs himself in a panic.
Lone crazy gunman? That explanation reeks of boooolsheeeeet!
A couple of things . . .
1. It took months to acquire all those guns and ammo. He didn't do that in a week's time. That takes planning and self control. That doesn't sound like a crazy person to me.
2. He sends 100k to his girlfriend in the Phillipines just prior to his massacre. Again, not the work of a crazy person. There was a reason for that.
3. Phillipines has a large Muslim population. Coincidence? I don't think so but it might be.
4. Girlfriend just happens to be out of the country when this happened? Not buying that at all. Again, that was planned well in advance.
5. He apparently stops half way through his rampage and offs himself? Why? The PoPo weren't banging at his door when he did that . . . so why stop? His morals suddenly kick in?
6. A country music concert, just another coincidence? I really doubt that too. Lots of gun loving conservative Christian folks at those things. This didn't happen to a Madonna concert crowd.
I think this guy did this for either political and/or religious reasons and was manipulated into doing it by someone else. Half way through he realizes what he actually had just done and offs himself in a panic.
Lone crazy gunman? That explanation reeks of boooolsheeeeet!
Atf just confirmed that not only did he have a bump stock on his rifle..... he had a bump stock on TWELVE of them. Twelve modified assault rifles.
For those of you that don't understand it, I explained the morning of the shooting that it didn't sound like a full auto weapon based on the uneven rate of fire. Full auto is rhythmic in nature and this was not. I've fired both weapons and as soon as I heard the shots ---"bump stock" was what I thought.
So now we learn that he had 2 cameras in the hall and one on the peep hole and a camera in the room.
They know why this guy did this. The ATF lady looked like a kicked dog. The sheriff looks like he's about to burst...... there had to have been a note or video and they are being told not to say a word yet.
For those of you that don't understand it, I explained the morning of the shooting that it didn't sound like a full auto weapon based on the uneven rate of fire. Full auto is rhythmic in nature and this was not. I've fired both weapons and as soon as I heard the shots ---"bump stock" was what I thought.
So now we learn that he had 2 cameras in the hall and one on the peep hole and a camera in the room.
They know why this guy did this. The ATF lady looked like a kicked dog. The sheriff looks like he's about to burst...... there had to have been a note or video and they are being told not to say a word yet.
I have to agree 100% here. The more I see, this guy was more than just an upset gambler. There is something wrong here, terribly wrong. I am not one to think that there is a conspiracy here, but if he made a tape beforehand, then I can see the people in charge not wanting it to be viewed. Something ain't write with this. Could his grievance be something so huge that it's a deal breaker?
I want to know more about this philipino girl friend. The more I think about his situation, her living with him, her obviously seeing or knowing about the arsenal he amassed..... and her being in the Phillipines during this........ she's looking shady as fvck to me right now.
I want her back story. She could be the key to this. In point of fact, I think she might be.
I want her back story. She could be the key to this. In point of fact, I think she might be.
I'll say this--- I've been reading everything I can get my hands on and I'm noticing a trend----
Many left 'leaning' news outlets are printing stories saying "it doesn't matter who he voted for or his political stance, he's a terrorist"..........
That sets off alarm bells in my head. If this dude was a crazy person with guns, the media would be pounding us over the head with that.
"It doesn't matter" is a subtle way of hedging their bets. This hints to me that he "COULD" be Antifa, Bernie, Hillary or "radical islam" supporter. Otherwise they'd be burning him at the stake with every article.
They did but they pretty much take responsibility for every bad thing that happens here.
How many times did they mention radicalized during the presser, 2 or 3? Something is up, we will know a ton in the next 48 hours. Also, the lady friend is shady, she apparently had multiple ID's and used multiple SS numbers, it's also being said she was married to two men subsequently. She is back in the US and was greeted by Feds.
I'm not buying political motivation at least not from a left vs right standpoint that is currently being discussed. Supposedly they believe he was scouting another music festival which lineup included more rock bands which would have a lot of left leaning fans. So I don't think you can read too much into the victims political leanings. I think he was just looking for most possible casualties.
Yes, time will tell as more details about this nut job come out. I'm not buying that ISIS was involved.
@clob94 I'm beginning to think you are CIA or something like that with all your knowledge haha jk. But seriously thanks for the insight.
I imagine 99% of us haven't even heard of bump stocks or slide stocks before yesterday. They seem like they would be incredibly dangerous for the user as much as the target.
Haha what a piece of crap this guy and his attorney are. Yes, because OJ has been so wrongly and unjustifiably maligned all of the years.
Now I'm actually wondering if his whereabouts were indeed accounted for that night. Why couldn't it have been just him that found himself in the wrong place that night instead of all of these innocent victims.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4948704/OJ-lawyer-said-hopes-no-one-tries-pin-Vegas-him.html
Now I'm actually wondering if his whereabouts were indeed accounted for that night. Why couldn't it have been just him that found himself in the wrong place that night instead of all of these innocent victims.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4948704/OJ-lawyer-said-hopes-no-one-tries-pin-Vegas-him.html
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The reality of a bump stock is, it's not very accurate---- compared to full auto...i mean, realistically, neither are when you are standing and free shooting. Now, mount that weapon on a static platform and yes, your accuracy increases greatly.
But let's be realistic, lobbing a couple hundred rounds 400 yards into a crowd of 25,000 ppl is not some incredible marksman achievement. His first two long bursts would be his most effective, from a "scoring hits" stand point. Once the crowd begins to dissipate, your hits per round starts to drop exponentially. Had he have then switched to a semi auto 7.62x51 (.308) with long range optics (scope) he could the start engaging smaller "groups" of people instead of one big mass of bodies.
To put it bluntly, if you had a military operator up there like a Ranger or Seal or recon marine, there'd have been 10 times the dead and 10 times the wounded.
But let's be realistic, lobbing a couple hundred rounds 400 yards into a crowd of 25,000 ppl is not some incredible marksman achievement. His first two long bursts would be his most effective, from a "scoring hits" stand point. Once the crowd begins to dissipate, your hits per round starts to drop exponentially. Had he have then switched to a semi auto 7.62x51 (.308) with long range optics (scope) he could the start engaging smaller "groups" of people instead of one big mass of bodies.
To put it bluntly, if you had a military operator up there like a Ranger or Seal or recon marine, there'd have been 10 times the dead and 10 times the wounded.
clob, it has been reported that he had a couple of tripod mounted guns up there, which helped his accuracy.
Yes, that would make for a more stable firing platform. Like I said, this was literally like shooting fish in a barrel. If this dude was seriously trained, it would have been an unimaginable massacre.
Looks like the woman who tried to warn the crowd of the impending doom has been confirmed. They are looking for her. Probably a prostitute and not a maid.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...king-mystery-woman-seen-vegas-shooter-n807801
I don't know how much her info will help if she had only been with him for a short period of time. Hopefully this is not all they have. If it is, at this point, we prolly aren't going to ever know much about this dude. At least in the short term, until someone comes forward or some piece of evidence is stumbled upon by accident years later. I have a feeling this is going to be chalked up to "another pill popper gone crazy". Of course I don't believe it. McCabe from FBI just said there are no fingerprints or any links traceable to the shooter.... Well there was a video and a note! Something stinks here and I have a feeling we won't get the truth.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...king-mystery-woman-seen-vegas-shooter-n807801
I don't know how much her info will help if she had only been with him for a short period of time. Hopefully this is not all they have. If it is, at this point, we prolly aren't going to ever know much about this dude. At least in the short term, until someone comes forward or some piece of evidence is stumbled upon by accident years later. I have a feeling this is going to be chalked up to "another pill popper gone crazy". Of course I don't believe it. McCabe from FBI just said there are no fingerprints or any links traceable to the shooter.... Well there was a video and a note! Something stinks here and I have a feeling we won't get the truth.
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I hate to say this but I bet something big happens again soon.
And to clob maybe there were two shooters different calibers one high one low.
And to clob maybe there were two shooters different calibers one high one low.
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What a vague article. Seen where? On cctv? At the hotel? A description? Picture of her so the public can help identify?
Anyone else pick up that James Murren is the CEO of MGM resorts and a member of the National Infrastructure Advisory Council?
Local news just had a interview and demonstration with an gun dude on the big difference in accuracy. Bump stop is stupid. What logical use could it be. Shooting into a crowd? I’m glad he left Mesquite TX.
More than one shooter. Awesome analysis with combat vet analysis in comment section. Check it out b4 it's taken down:
