He videod himself shooting in the room? If that's true he definitely said something on that video before he started shooting.
OT: Las Vegas active shooter
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He videod himself shooting in the room? If that's true he definitely said something on that video before he started shooting.
Drudge has links to pictures inside his suite. He apparently recorded himself as well as left a note. Will the gov let us pleebs know the truth? That's the real question. By now they know everything and are trying to construct a narrative that is palatable to all the elites. This includes the casino owners... Not putting forth a conspiracy but past experience tells us that the gov or the donors to the the politicians don't want to rock the boat with some dude's apparent grievances.
Fair enough but still what does that say about casino security? In Vegas no less. Thats a shit load of guns and ammo. Just waltzed into a casino without any notice.
Ive never been to Vegas but what a complete joke. Does anyone think he should have been able to so nonchalantly do this?
And no maid service the entire 4 days prior to his assault? He couldnt have hid EVERYTHING under his bed.
Again what an embarrassment for the Mandalay.
Eh with all these leaks so far I'm sure someone has the "note" if that's the truth. Now a days lying and having social media and videos isn't a going to cut it. Anyone that has the truth that isn't government would love to put it out there for us to see.
It was a suite and in Vegas at the Mandalay that room was probably two to three apartments in sq ft. Where he hid all of it is beyond me and if he didn't have the maids come in to clean for 3 days that would be odd. As far as walking in and out through the casino dude it's done every single day without question. Thousands of tourist come in and out, walking around taking pictures etc... As long as your key can get you to the suite area within the elevator your golden.
And WHY haven't you been to Vegas!?!
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I think you are making a lot of strange assumptions. What hotel security setup would have stopped this? Guns breakdown and can easily been stored in pretty standard luggage. I don't know what it being a casino has anything to do with it. Casino security is higher because they are trying to protect their money not prevent stuff like this. No hotel has security capable of preventing something like this. If he would have tried to rob the casino then you would see their security protocols.
As far as the maid service a DND sign can accomplish a lot of that. Furthermore whatever luggage he packed it in he could have just left it all packed until he was ready. He didn't have to immediately set everything up upon arrival days earlier.
It's not a Holiday Inn express. Literally thousands of daily turnover and traffic in a huge lobby so someone carrying extra luggage or whatever isn't going to bat an eye from anyone. You don't even have to overthink it by timing out the trips to your car because no one is going to notice you.
Thinking about it now I'm sure people thought he had a few people staying with him since the suite is pretty damn big. Even though having 10 suit cases is a crap load now whether he moved them from one to another and took them back down to his vehicle I don't know. I get it though if you've never been to the hotels in Vegas it's hard to visualize how many people are in just the lobby area then include the casino.
Agree and I keep hearing people say that the hotel is going to be sued and they are liable etc and I'm not seeing that myself. I do think they'll get sued but I can't say I agree with it. Perhaps if he killed a lot of folks in their hotel but people demand privacy in these suites all the time so it wasn't anything out of the ordinary. What do they do install metal detectors etc?
With the video in the room, I'm willing to bet a pretty penny that he recorded a manifesto at some point.
Look, people don't go to this trouble and then fail to explain the most important part---- why?
He saw this as a teaching moment (I'm guessing) and what's a teaching moment without a lesson? The teaching lesson will be found either on the note left on the table that you can clearly see, or by a pre-recorded video of him prior to the shooting.
Look at the meticulous details this guy worked through-
Systematically stocked up on guns and ammo from multiple different dealers so as not to raise any eye brows. Buying 40ish guns from one dude looks....... suspicious. Buying them from multiple dealers, not as much.
He picked the perfect firing point venue.
He picked the date based on an open air event held just beneath his firing venue.
He set up monitoring cams to know when the cops arrived at his door.
He altered semi-auto weapons to function as fully auto.
He was able to smuggle an arsenal into his hotel room and keep it hidden from staff.
He erected two firing nests that provided him with a perfect firing vantage point.
He brought an industrial hammer to smash out the windows.
Seriously........ look at these fvcking details...... you can't convince me that he didn't record a manifesto prior to launching this attack.
This is calculated behavior and NOT providing US, his "audience", a reason or justification for his actions would not book end his evil masterpiece.
"What's in the box!?!?!" remember that?
Look, people don't go to this trouble and then fail to explain the most important part---- why?
He saw this as a teaching moment (I'm guessing) and what's a teaching moment without a lesson? The teaching lesson will be found either on the note left on the table that you can clearly see, or by a pre-recorded video of him prior to the shooting.
Look at the meticulous details this guy worked through-
Systematically stocked up on guns and ammo from multiple different dealers so as not to raise any eye brows. Buying 40ish guns from one dude looks....... suspicious. Buying them from multiple dealers, not as much.
He picked the perfect firing point venue.
He picked the date based on an open air event held just beneath his firing venue.
He set up monitoring cams to know when the cops arrived at his door.
He altered semi-auto weapons to function as fully auto.
He was able to smuggle an arsenal into his hotel room and keep it hidden from staff.
He erected two firing nests that provided him with a perfect firing vantage point.
He brought an industrial hammer to smash out the windows.
Seriously........ look at these fvcking details...... you can't convince me that he didn't record a manifesto prior to launching this attack.
This is calculated behavior and NOT providing US, his "audience", a reason or justification for his actions would not book end his evil masterpiece.
"What's in the box!?!?!" remember that?
I certainly wouldn't call my assumptions strange that rather someone who would never think to do anything like this who also figured that a hotel casino on the Las Vegas Strip might actually have metal detectors because there is a freaking Casino inside of the hotel and they probably want to make sure people are not bringing in guns because again it is a casino.
Then again I guess I'm giving Las Vegas casinos too much credit. Like seriously what if he came down the elevator with a couple of those semi-automatic rifles and just started killing people in the lobby and also in the casino itself? From what you guys are telling me he probably could have killed a lot more people that much closer range if he had just done that instead. And the casino hotels don't have metal detectors SMH.
He wouldn't have killed 59 ppl in the casino. Not saying there wouldn't be casualties but he would have taken a bullet or bullets before that would happen. He knew what he was doing. There's security in the casino but they aren't monitoring what is on you or in your bag. There's entirely to many ppl to frisk coming and going. It's not an amusement park or arena.
You know how you go from one bar to another on 6th Street well imagine doing that on the Strip with casinos/hotels. Now imagine there being multiple entries to those same places with thousands to millions of visitors a day. I'd bet Bellagio and Ceasars probably gets a million a day going through the lobby, casino and shopping mall.
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I've always been one of those guys that believes the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. But not in this case. I'm simply not buying this 'lone gunman goes crazy' narrative.
A couple of things . . .
1. It took months to acquire all those guns and ammo. He didn't do that in a week's time. That takes planning and self control. That doesn't sound like a crazy person to me.
2. He sends 100k to his girlfriend in the Phillipines just prior to his massacre. Again, not the work of a crazy person. There was a reason for that.
3. Phillipines has a large Muslim population. Coincidence? I don't think so but it might be.
4. Girlfriend just happens to be out of the country when this happened? Not buying that at all. Again, that was planned well in advance.
5. He apparently stops half way through his rampage and offs himself? Why? The PoPo weren't banging at his door when he did that . . . so why stop? His morals suddenly kick in?
6. A country music concert, just another coincidence? I really doubt that too. Lots of gun loving conservative Christian folks at those things. This didn't happen to a Madonna concert crowd.
I think this guy did this for either political and/or religious reasons and was manipulated into doing it by someone else. Half way through he realizes what he actually had just done and offs himself in a panic.
Lone crazy gunman? That explanation reeks of boooolsheeeeet!
A couple of things . . .
1. It took months to acquire all those guns and ammo. He didn't do that in a week's time. That takes planning and self control. That doesn't sound like a crazy person to me.
2. He sends 100k to his girlfriend in the Phillipines just prior to his massacre. Again, not the work of a crazy person. There was a reason for that.
3. Phillipines has a large Muslim population. Coincidence? I don't think so but it might be.
4. Girlfriend just happens to be out of the country when this happened? Not buying that at all. Again, that was planned well in advance.
5. He apparently stops half way through his rampage and offs himself? Why? The PoPo weren't banging at his door when he did that . . . so why stop? His morals suddenly kick in?
6. A country music concert, just another coincidence? I really doubt that too. Lots of gun loving conservative Christian folks at those things. This didn't happen to a Madonna concert crowd.
I think this guy did this for either political and/or religious reasons and was manipulated into doing it by someone else. Half way through he realizes what he actually had just done and offs himself in a panic.
Lone crazy gunman? That explanation reeks of boooolsheeeeet!
Atf just confirmed that not only did he have a bump stock on his rifle..... he had a bump stock on TWELVE of them. Twelve modified assault rifles.
For those of you that don't understand it, I explained the morning of the shooting that it didn't sound like a full auto weapon based on the uneven rate of fire. Full auto is rhythmic in nature and this was not. I've fired both weapons and as soon as I heard the shots ---"bump stock" was what I thought.
So now we learn that he had 2 cameras in the hall and one on the peep hole and a camera in the room.
They know why this guy did this. The ATF lady looked like a kicked dog. The sheriff looks like he's about to burst...... there had to have been a note or video and they are being told not to say a word yet.
For those of you that don't understand it, I explained the morning of the shooting that it didn't sound like a full auto weapon based on the uneven rate of fire. Full auto is rhythmic in nature and this was not. I've fired both weapons and as soon as I heard the shots ---"bump stock" was what I thought.
So now we learn that he had 2 cameras in the hall and one on the peep hole and a camera in the room.
They know why this guy did this. The ATF lady looked like a kicked dog. The sheriff looks like he's about to burst...... there had to have been a note or video and they are being told not to say a word yet.
I have to agree 100% here. The more I see, this guy was more than just an upset gambler. There is something wrong here, terribly wrong. I am not one to think that there is a conspiracy here, but if he made a tape beforehand, then I can see the people in charge not wanting it to be viewed. Something ain't write with this. Could his grievance be something so huge that it's a deal breaker?
I want to know more about this philipino girl friend. The more I think about his situation, her living with him, her obviously seeing or knowing about the arsenal he amassed..... and her being in the Phillipines during this........ she's looking shady as fvck to me right now.
I want her back story. She could be the key to this. In point of fact, I think she might be.
I want her back story. She could be the key to this. In point of fact, I think she might be.
I'll say this--- I've been reading everything I can get my hands on and I'm noticing a trend----
Many left 'leaning' news outlets are printing stories saying "it doesn't matter who he voted for or his political stance, he's a terrorist"..........
That sets off alarm bells in my head. If this dude was a crazy person with guns, the media would be pounding us over the head with that.
"It doesn't matter" is a subtle way of hedging their bets. This hints to me that he "COULD" be Antifa, Bernie, Hillary or "radical islam" supporter. Otherwise they'd be burning him at the stake with every article.
They did but they pretty much take responsibility for every bad thing that happens here.
How many times did they mention radicalized during the presser, 2 or 3? Something is up, we will know a ton in the next 48 hours. Also, the lady friend is shady, she apparently had multiple ID's and used multiple SS numbers, it's also being said she was married to two men subsequently. She is back in the US and was greeted by Feds.
I'm not buying political motivation at least not from a left vs right standpoint that is currently being discussed. Supposedly they believe he was scouting another music festival which lineup included more rock bands which would have a lot of left leaning fans. So I don't think you can read too much into the victims political leanings. I think he was just looking for most possible casualties.
Yes, time will tell as more details about this nut job come out. I'm not buying that ISIS was involved.
@clob94 I'm beginning to think you are CIA or something like that with all your knowledge haha jk. But seriously thanks for the insight.
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