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[StrangerHorn]

Time to send in the !st Marine Div and the !st Cav and knock this shit out! Its very wrong to hold a city hostage.... especially in America... F the City Officials!


https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/portland-police-far-right-proud-boys-094500346.html

 

[Belldozer1]

Oh don’t worry I have a feeling when Trump wins another term, the gloves come off. On November 3rd he’ll relax and relish victory then on Nov. 4th, Bye bye silly covid shutdowns and he’s going to send the feds in, riding and whoop in’ and restoring order that the lib governors don’t care about.

 

[lokibert69]

How cool is it though that they brought in a drum line to lay down some beats? Definitely one of the classier riots I've seen lately.

 

[oldhorn2]

seriously.....WTF is going on? Do they just set a time every night to riot?

Ed:...meet you at the riot tonight? Same time?
Bill:...cant make it tonight. I promised my wife I would take her to dinner....anniversery and all.
Ed: ...ok tomorrow then?
Bill:....see you there.


I mean....it is every damned night. Dont they ever get bored?

 

[StrangerHorn]

maybe we need Chuck Norris to clean it out!

 

[clob94]

This has moved beyond the point of trying to bring awareness to a social issue.

We are all aware that police have, in instances, used force not equivocal to the crime or person in question. Humans make mistakes. Humans under an intense microscope make more mistakes. The reality is, most cops never pull their weapon in the line of duty. And a ridiculously small amount of those ever fire their weapon.
But in this age of insta-news and innovation, it can SEEM that cops everywhere are out of control.
And that's not the case.

With regard to Portland and the other violent protests-- and many of them are violent whether people want to admit that or not-- this has passed the point where it's a protest. It has progressed now to a hostage situation.

Antifa/BLM radicals (and not all BLM are radicals)---- "if we keep creating chaos in these cities, it will get so bad that people will vote for who we want them to vote for so this will all stop..." .
That's a child's mentality. Pitch a fit so you'll give me a cookie to shut me up.

i don't play that game. I spank the child. Fvck your cookie.

 

[Belldozer1]

This has moved beyond the point of trying to bring awareness to a social issue.

We are all aware that police have, in instances, used force not equivocal to the crime or person in question. Humans make mistakes. Humans under an intense microscope make more mistakes. The reality is, most cops never pull their weapon in the line of duty. And a ridiculously small amount of those ever fire their weapon.
But in this age of insta-news and innovation, it can SEEM that cops everywhere are out of control.
And that's not the case.

With regard to Portland and the other violent protests-- and many of them are violent whether people want to admit that or not-- this has passed the point where it's a protest. It has progressed now to a hostage situation.

Antifa/BLM radicals (and not all BLM are radicals)---- "if we keep creating chaos in these cities, it will get so bad that people will vote for who we want them to vote for so this will all stop..." .
That's a child's mentality. Pitch a fit so you'll give me a cookie to shut me up.

i don't play that game. I spank the child. Fvck your cookie.

Biden was never going to win anyway but the left has over played their hand and voters will vote their personal safety over the left violence.

 

[JonBinge]

Is it just me, or does most of this “movement” appear to be a bunch of white dorks in ninja suits?

 

[CAHorn47]

This has moved beyond the point of trying to bring awareness to a social issue.

We are all aware that police have, in instances, used force not equivocal to the crime or person in question. Humans make mistakes. Humans under an intense microscope make more mistakes. The reality is, most cops never pull their weapon in the line of duty. And a ridiculously small amount of those ever fire their weapon.
But in this age of insta-news and innovation, it can SEEM that cops everywhere are out of control.
And that's not the case.

With regard to Portland and the other violent protests-- and many of them are violent whether people want to admit that or not-- this has passed the point where it's a protest. It has progressed now to a hostage situation.

Antifa/BLM radicals (and not all BLM are radicals)---- "if we keep creating chaos in these cities, it will get so bad that people will vote for who we want them to vote for so this will all stop..." .
That's a child's mentality. Pitch a fit so you'll give me a cookie to shut me up.

i don't play that game. I spank the child. Fvck your cookie.

In 2019, 13 unarmed Black men were killed by police...out of a couple million encounters. Even one is one to many, but it's not like there's an epidemic...

 

[StrangerHorn]

I think its the Mayor and City Council is the blame for it being prolonged, no backbone, I am all for Fed troops or NG's to go clean it out, no one person or town should be held hostage in America, load their asses up for Gitmo and charge them with Domestic terrorism or let God sort them out! BLM, we get it so move on! and to think my Grandson was gonna start the Seattle Police academy next month, well, that shits not gonna happen, I am like Bell, when Trump wins ya gonna see the gloves come off and it won't matter then....if this shit keeps on , it's damn sure gonna make the South Rise again.....

 

[LonghornMM]

The "protesters" who are burning, looting, vandalizing, and robbing businesses and assaulting people need to be arrested and charged with those crimes. This BS has gone on long enough. I would say that the majority of them don't even know what their "protesting" in the first place. It's one thing to peacefully protest, but what we're seeing isn't peaceful at all. Time to drop the hammer on them!

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Accept that this will not stop until citizens step in and squashes these riots. Can't rely on the police or the Feds. If they try to squash it, this will work to fill the narrative that the government is racist. We don't need our own Tienanmen Square, China would love it if we did what they did. We know that the US is working from a point of moral high ground. If we let the Feds squash this, we lose the high ground. What we need is to have Citizens step up and attack these rioters. If needs be we the citizens need to shoot a few of them.

If we do this, then the rioters will start using guns and bombs, once they do this, they lose the moral high grounds and then our government can step in and use justified force.

It has to all start with Citizens stepping up.

To be very honest, Kyle Rittenhouse might have just lit the powder keg we citizens have have needed to get us off our couches and into the fight.

Why are we letting a 17 year old do what we as men should have been doing? Standing up to these thugs and bullies.

 

[DrinkToIt]

In 2019, 13 unarmed Black men were killed by police...out of a couple million encounters. Even one is one to many, but it's not like there's an epidemic...

These incidents are the outliers. I forget who it was but there was a gentleman on Fox earlier that put it really well. The way the media is reporting these encounters, its portrayed that this is the norm when in reality its far, far from it and its tearing this country apart.

I cant believe the stupidity of so many people I know who are falling for this nonsense.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Is it just me, or does most of this “movement” appear to be a bunch of white dorks in ninja suits?

Dude, where you been? Yes, the rioters appear to be pasty white loafs of bread wrapped in black cloth. Instead of rioting, maybe they should put in a couple laps.

 

[Belldozer1]

The "protesters" who are burning, looting, vandalizing, and robbing businesses and assaulting people need to be arrested and charged with those crimes. This BS has gone on long enough. I would say that the majority of them don't even know what their "protesting" in the first place. It's one thing to peacefully protest, but what we're seeing isn't peaceful at all. Time to drop the hammer on them!

True. Most have no idea what they’re protesting. I can promise everyone I won’t be watching that joke NBA either

 

[outhereincali]

I am trying hard to stay out of this thread. But did anyone besides me take the time to read the entire link? You don't find anything wrong with these proud boys? Have you read their history? These are bad guys who have a history of going around the country looking for racial conflict. And now the Portland police bureau is not going to police them. They are attacking the protesters that you don't like and you don't find anything wrong with that? You don't find anything wrong with the Portland police not not doing anything at all to stop these proud boys? That their police department is friendly with those boys? That they've decided to let these proud boys go on without begin being stopped?

 

[HornNation101]

I am trying hard to stay out of this thread. But did anyone besides me take the time to read the entire link? You don't find anything wrong with these proud boys? Have you read their history? These are bad guys who have a history of going around the country looking for racial conflict. And now the Portland police bureau is not going to police them. They are attacking the protesters that you don't like and you don't find anything wrong with that? You don't find anything wrong with the Portland police not not doing anything at all to stop these proud boys? That their police department is friendly with those boys? That they've decided to let these proud boys go on without begin being stopped?

You probably should have stayed out of this thread. I do not know diddly squat about proud boys but I will assume it is a right wing group because your upset. How about being upset about the rioting 90 days ago? How about being upset for recent rioting in St Louis or yelling at restaurant customers in DC or attempted assault against Sen Rand Paul a few nights ago? As a conservative, I could careless that now the anarchist have to deal with others fighting them. The police should step in? Why? The police have been trying to deal with this bs and the Dem Mayor and Gov have tied the hands of the police. The bonus points the Libs thought was that this would hurt orange man, what a mistake that was.

 

[DrinkToIt]

I am trying hard to stay out of this thread. But did anyone besides me take the time to read the entire link? You don't find anything wrong with these proud boys? Have you read their history? These are bad guys who have a history of going around the country looking for racial conflict. And now the Portland police bureau is not going to police them. They are attacking the protesters that you don't like and you don't find anything wrong with that? You don't find anything wrong with the Portland police not not doing anything at all to stop these proud boys? That their police department is friendly with those boys? That they've decided to let these proud boys go on without begin being stopped?

How about the police stop everybody? Can we agree on that? Awesome. Glad we had that talk.

 

[outhereincali]

You probably should have stayed out of this thread. I do not know diddly squat about proud boys but I will assume it is a right wing group because your upset. How about being upset about the rioting 90 days ago? How about being upset for recent rioting in St Louis or yelling at restaurant customers in DC or attempted assault against Sen Rand Paul a few nights ago? As a conservative, I could careless that now the anarchist have to deal with others fighting them. The police should step in? Why? The police have been trying to deal with this bs and the Dem Mayor and Gov have tied the hands of the police. The bonus points the Libs thought was that this would hurt orange man, what a mistake that was.

Wrong I am very aware that when those riots were going on 90 days ago innocent people were injured or killed. There were assailants on both sides. It was wrong for an Oakland police officer killed in a drive by while guarding a federal courthouse and the officer was a black man. There have been black owned businesses destroyed in riots. When there are riots the only thing that is clear is that nothing is clear. People want to see political issues, social issues, racial issues, in black and white terms but it doesn't work that way it never has. Being inflexible doesn't do anyone any good. One last thing. While the election is 66 days away Donald Trump is behind, way behind in the polls.

 

[Lampasas]

I am trying hard to stay out of this thread. But did anyone besides me take the time to read the entire link? You don't find anything wrong with these proud boys? Have you read their history? These are bad guys who have a history of going around the country looking for racial conflict. And now the Portland police bureau is not going to police them. They are attacking the protesters that you don't like and you don't find anything wrong with that? You don't find anything wrong with the Portland police not not doing anything at all to stop these proud boys? That their police department is friendly with those boys? That they've decided to let these proud boys go on without begin being stopped?

If you simply did a search/replace and inserted antifa where you have proud boys you would be spot on.

 

[oldhorn2]

When there are riots the only thing that is clear is that nothing is clear. People want to see political issues, social issues, racial issues, in black and white terms but it doesn't work they way it never has.

Cali....I am with you on many things, but if you think for a second that these riots have anything to do with correcting social injustice you simply dont get it.
These are carpetbagger thugs that have been promised loot and "spoils" much like the Viking raiders and caribbean Pirates. They dont give a shit about any cause other than looting. If the "protesters" were not paid to be there, they wouldnt get off the couch. The Proud Bays are just the end result of what happens when police are not allowed to do their jobs.

If you are going to run riot over the weak and helpless, you better be damned sure you are the baddest thing out there. To answer your question, I dont have a thing against the proud boys tearing shit up.If the wild west is what people say they want, they ought to understand what the wild west is

 

[brushycreekhorn]

Wrong I am very aware that when those riots were going on 90 days ago innocent people were injured or killed. There were assailants on both sides. It was wrong for an Oakland police officer killed in a drive by while guarding a federal courthouse and the officer was a black man. There have been black owned businesses destroyed in riots. When there are riots the only thing that is clear is that nothing is clear. People want to see political issues, social issues, racial issues, in black and white terms but it doesn't work that way it never has. Being inflexible doesn't do anyone any good. One last thing. While the election is 66 days away Donald Trump is behind, way behind in the polls.

Latest Rasmussen poll has Biden up by 1%. Maybe allowing Democrat run cities to burn is not a winning strategy.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...ections/election_2020/white_house_watch_aug26

 

[outhereincali]

Cali....I am with you on many things, but if you think for a second that these riots have anything to do with correcting social injustice you simply dont get it.
These are carpetbagger thugs that have been promised loot and "spoils" much like the Viking raiders and caribbean Pirates. They dont give a shit about any cause other than looting. If the "protesters" were not paid to be there, they wouldnt get off the couch. The Proud Bays are just the end result of what happens when police are not allowed to do their jobs.

If you are going to run riot over the weak and helpless, you better be damned sure you are the baddest thing out there. To answer your question, I dont have a thing against the proud boys tearing shit up.If the wild west is what people say they want, they ought to understand what the wild west is

I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. I never said that these riots are to correct social injustice. Riots are things that explode and get. out of control. Actually I believe in peaceful protest. There are a lot of people in public service I don't like but physically attacking them isn't going to change anything. Heck they might get replaced by somebody worse. Riots are wrong and I made that abundantly clear. But protest is as American as apple pie.

 

[LonghornMM]

I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. I never said that these riots are to correct social injustice. Riots are things that explode and get. out of control. Actually I believe in peaceful protest. There are a lot of people in public service I don't like but physically attacking them isn't going to change anything. Heck they might get replaced by somebody worse. Riots are wrong and I made that abundantly clear. But protest is as American as apple pie.

Notice what cities are failing, what cities are voting to defund police departments, and where the riots are taking place in, while nothing is being done by local government to stop it. There is a common denominator here. And you still support this crowd? Geez.

 

[outhereincali]

Notice what cities are failing, what cities are voting to defund police departments, and where the riots are taking place in, while nothing is being done by local government to stop it. There is a common denominator here. And you still support this crowd? Geez.

Defunding the police is not what your think it is. Reallocate is a more appropriate term. It does NOT mean abolish the police. It means taking some of those funds and transfer that money to other sectors to things like mental health, drug addiction, homelessness, and other departments. It means that it can free police from things like getting cats out of trees a lot of police have to things like that. Paperwork is a necessity for police but transferring some of that load that takes away from excessive paperwork. It disappointments me to see that police aren't as successful at solving violent crimes as we think but reallocation can help the police department focus on the things we want them to do clearing unresolved crimes, serious crimes, and not wasting time trying to get cats out of trees. I wish people on this board would try to study and see the big picture to understand the specifics of what they're talking about and that reallocate, not defund is the correct word. One last thing if you investigate you'll find that there are police who support some aspects of reallocation.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Defunding the police is not what your think it is. Reallocate is a more appropriate term. It does NOT mean abolish the police. It means taking some of those funds and transfer that money to other sectors to things like mental health, drug addiction, homelessness, and other departments. It means that it can free police from things like getting cats out of trees a lot of police have to things like that. Paperwork is a necessity for police but transferring some of that load that takes away from excessive paperwork. It disappointments me to see that police aren't as successful at solving violent crimes as we think but reallocation can help the police department focus on the things we want them to do clearing unresolved crimes, serious crimes, and not wasting time trying to get cats out of trees. I wish people on this board would try to study and see the big picture to understand the specifics of what they're talking about and that reallocate, not defund is the correct word. One last thing if you investigate you'll find that there are police who support some aspects of reallocation.

Thank heavens the Texas Governor has signed a law that if a city defunds the police in this state, they can no longer raise your home taxes. They want to sacrifice our safety for their socialist programs, they can go to hell. Vote these punk asses out of office and if needs be we need to take law enforcement away from these cities and create a state law enforcement system that they cannot touch.

 

[outhereincali]

Let's see

Sending in the 1rst Marine Div
Sending in the 1rst Cav
Sending in the Feds

Doing this will cause widespread rebellion from coast to coast. That is absolutely the worst solution. And no matter how you try to rationalize it is completely unjustified. Right wing violence is no different than left wing violence. That would be a disaster and a grave threat to the United States of America. Turning our military against our people? I know some people on this board are serious about this. And if you do then you're the ones who hate our country.

 

[LonghornMM]

outthereinlalaland, please stop lecturing me and others about what you think we understand. Your username fits you perfectly. You're definitely "out there". How you can defend what is going on with these "peaceful protesters" is laughable. After the election, the government will send in the National Guard and will end all of this anarchy, as it should. These people aren't "peaceful protesters". Most are racists, rioters, arsonists, felons and thugs, who hate America, and who have no respect for our laws and culture. Stop trying to preach your BS. You're no better than these types by condoning their behavior. If you want to talk Texas sports, fine, but stop with your whacko nonsense.

 

[outhereincali]

Let me tell you something buddy. I have 4 black granddaughters two who are college age who DID take part in peaceful demonstrations and that's EXACTLY what they were. Salt Lake City has seen the same peaceful protest and I'm sure there are other cities. Like I've said the BLM here in Sacramento is trying to work with systemic racism and economic issues. Approx 81% of the population here that are pulled over are black and latino. It's amazing the number of people that get pulled over who didn't commit any crimes sometimes it's as high as 90%. But when people of color are pulled over they they are forced to get out of the car and it often leads to physical confrontations. They are starting meaningful dialogue on both matters I hope they can keep taking it to the next level and beyond. Unlike you i think it can happen.

 

[StrangerHorn]

Let's see

Sending in the 1rst Marine Div
Sending in the 1rst Cav
Sending in the Feds

Doing this will cause widespread rebellion from coast to coast. That is absolutely the worst solution. And no matter how you try to rationalize it is completely unjustified. Right wing violence is no different than left wing violence. That would be a disaster and a grave threat to the United States of America. Turning our military against our people? I know some people on this board are serious about this. And if you do then you're the ones who hate our country.

BS! It don't matter what color you are or whatever, Its wrong to hold a city in the USA hostage to where they can;t live without fear and raise their children safely, which is whats happening n ow, the Feds are the Gov and the armed forces swore in their oath that they would defend the USA against all Terros Foreign and Domestic and these are nothing but Terros, there will always be someone to restore order, look at ya history books, the USA needs to take back their country, regardless of BLM or the PB's, I and others fought to keep this country free and I as well as other Vets will do so if necessary, be it trump or someone else is gonna stop this shit one way or another regardless of what people want...you notice they don't pull this hard core shit in Texas, its just you Woods Yankees on the West Coast.....if you wanna be free then make it so or someone else will...Personally think they oughta load all their asses up and send them to Gitmo and sort them out!...

Its better to be judged by 2 then carried by 6 Cali!

 

[StrangerHorn]

Let me tell you something buddy. I have 4 black granddaughters two who are college age who DID take part in peaceful demonstrations and that's EXACTLY what they were. Salt Lake City has seen the same peaceful protest and I'm sure there are other cities. Like I've said the BLM here in Sacramento is trying to work with systemic racism and economic issues. Approx 81% of the population here that are pulled over are black and latino. It's amazing the number of people that get pulled over who didn't commit any crimes sometimes it's as high as 90%. But when people of color are pulled over they they are forced to get out of the car and it often leads to physical confrontations. They are starting meaningful dialogue on both matters I hope they can keep taking it to the next level and beyond. Unlike you i think it can happen.

Well if you are courteous to the officer and not try to fight them you would not get hurt...simple..Don't pull that Grand children card on me as I have Black Grandchildren who are respectful and are polite to everyone, the Peer example in the Black community is not the greatest with all the drug slinging and shootin each other and beating their wives and kids plus not supporting them to go to school and be better, its who raises the children that matters...plus all the abuse that Police and Firemen have to endure in this situation, very dangerous for even a Firetruck or EMS to go into a Black community//

If you teach a child Hate then that's all he will know! No matter what Color!

 

[StrangerHorn]

I think God hates California with all the fires floods, landslides and crime and people who make bad laws and rolling blackouts, no wonder everyone leaving for Arizona and other states, its a tough time to be a Woods Yankee...

 

[Lampasas]

I agree with Cali.

Keep the troops/feds out, save the tax dollars, and...

Let it burn.

 

[LonghornMM]

Let me tell you something buddy. I have 4 black granddaughters two who are college age who DID take part in peaceful demonstrations and that's EXACTLY what they were. Salt Lake City has seen the same peaceful protest and I'm sure there are other cities. Like I've said the BLM here in Sacramento is trying to work with systemic racism and economic issues. Approx 81% of the population here that are pulled over are black and latino. It's amazing the number of people that get pulled over who didn't commit any crimes sometimes it's as high as 90%. But when people of color are pulled over they they are forced to get out of the car and it often leads to physical confrontations. They are starting meaningful dialogue on both matters I hope they can keep taking it to the next level and beyond. Unlike you i think it can happen.

If people want to truly peacefully protest, that's all well and fine, but what we're seeing with the antagonists, rioters, arsonists, looters, etc. is NOT peacefully protesting. They are thugs and they should all be arrested and charged for the felony crimes that they are committing. I'm still waiting for the left and the media to call them out and condemn that kind of behavior, which has no place in America. This BS has gone on long enough. This America, not some third world country, like some of these losers are trying to turn our country into. These liberal run cities are a disaster. It's time the hammer gets dropped on them!

 

[clob94]

I am trying hard to stay out of this thread. But did anyone besides me take the time to read the entire link? You don't find anything wrong with these proud boys? Have you read their history? These are bad guys who have a history of going around the country looking for racial conflict. And now the Portland police bureau is not going to police them. They are attacking the protesters that you don't like and you don't find anything wrong with that? You don't find anything wrong with the Portland police not not doing anything at all to stop these proud boys? That their police department is friendly with those boys? That they've decided to let these proud boys go on without begin being stopped?

I had never heard of the proud boys until around 2017. Had no clue who they were or that they even existed. I have literally traveled to all 50 of our state's and met people of every color, class and creed. And then one day "BOOM"---- because I'm white, I'm supposed to condemn some guys that I've never heard of-- seriously-- here's how it went...

I'm in austin at a lunch thing for 40 year old professionals and someone there had their knickers in a twist about Charlottesville and the proud boys etc. They start going on and on about Nazis and Arians and what not. Then I get the " and these are Trump supporters. People that voted for Trump are OK with groups like the Proud Boys supporting him....".

And I realize that all of the sudden, the 6 or 7 people standing around me are all looking AT me---- like I did something.

Mind you-- I know these people and I know they are all flaming liberals, and now I'm being looked at like I just dragged my nuts through the punch bowl.

It was time to reestablish the order-- so I said "why are you all looking at me?"

The response was "well, as a Trump voter, what do you have to say about this?"

That's when I got pissed.

"Listen here dude-- just FYI, I don't know who the fvck the proud boys are nor do I give a fvck. They don't pay my bills or make me a dollar so I could really give a sh!t if they want to play 'dress up deushebag' and run around being dumbasses. Second, you're an asshat for assuming sh!t about me even though you've known me for ten years. And it's the ten years we've known each other that's the only thing keeping from popping your fvcking teeth out right now-- because I've never voted in my life. Not once."

It's true. Never voted. Ever. Not even registered. Never saw a politician I deemed worthy of my vote. People say "well if you didn't vote, then you don't get to complain."

I say "bullsh!t. You did vote, so you DON'T get to complain if you're guy/girl lost, because you LOST. If your dude/chick won and you want to complain, it's your fault-- because you voted for the sh!tbag."

Therein lies the problem. People voting for "politicians" that have one goal-- power. They don't give a sh!t about you or anyone else-- just their own self interest. People have put too much faith in "politicians"--- they are ALL liars and manipulators. All of them.

Want proof?

Try talking about term limits to a politician. Term limits are ok for the big chief job-- but not ok for the senators and congress. Why? Because they are all power hungry crooks and liars-- and people think they are our savior. They are trash. Period. Full stop.


So do I care who the fvck the proud boys are? Nope. There's probably about as many of them as there are unarmed black men shot by the police. Under 20. Why should I get all pissy about a tiny group of clowns like the proud boys? They have no power. The only influence they MAY have is given to them by---- the media! The media GAVE them a platform. The media MADE them a household name. The media HELPED them become bigger.

The proud boys "success" (if you can call it that) is due to panicked leftists and the media who gave them oxygen. They needed a boogey man and so they made one. This goes back to the pure HATRED--- and it is pure hatred, the media has for someone that isn't part of the "political" establishment. An apple cart was kicked over and a politically established liar wasn't elected-- and this four year temper tantrum was the result.

I will say it again-- I've never voted in my life. And I don't think the current president is everything I've ever wanted in a "politician" that's not really a "politician". But the more and more I see the political establishment (including the politically corrupt media) squeal like spoiled children, the more I consider going to down and registering and voting AGAINST the establishment.