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Seriously......as big as it is, this first one is only one game. Is there a danger of bringing Shack back too early? We need that fat ass( screw you Wickline) this year.
 
Seriously......as big as it is, this first one is only one game. Is there a danger of bringing Shack back too early? We need that fat ass( screw you Wickline) this year.
Depends. I don't know if his injury is one that is a danger of being r-injured, or its just about him having enough strength to be able to play at a high level. Most sprains/strains aren't really a re-injury issue, its just about how much weight you can put on them without pain.
 
I watched this recently. Gave me a bit more hope for Swoopes to be able to get it done. It is a highlight reel, so only the good throws, but may help those having anxiety about the starting QB situation.

 
You do get that if Texas goes run heavy they will be lining up the way Baylor did against NC in the bowl game. It will not be traditional out of the I running.

I guess I don't over-complicate things when it comes to OLine/Dline.

To me it really doesn't matter what scheme it is if the OLine is a yard in the backfield. Or vice versa.

I personally feel that ND's OLine is really good & Dline is pretty good. But I'm not a scout or coach.
 
I watched this recently. Gave me a bit more hope for Swoopes to be able to get it done. It is a highlight reel, so only the good throws, but may help those having anxiety about the starting QB situation.

I'm not being a d!ck when I say this but------ do you think you could fit two years worth of VY or Colt highlights in just 4 minutes of video......?
 
I'm not being a d!ck when I say this but------ do you think you could fit two years worth of VY or Colt highlights in just 4 minutes of video......?

Well, it's just the 2014 season. That said, the answer is still no. It was nice to be reminded that TS can put a deep ball on the money.
 
I get that O line is important, but I think we are overselling this just a bit. Our linemen aren't just going to lay down and give ND's line a free run at the QB and RB. They will slow them down enough to get a play off more often than not, and as I said before, this offense is designed to take pressure off the O line in the first place.
 
I get that O line is important, but I think we are overselling this just a bit. Our linemen aren't just going to lay down and give ND's line a free run at the QB and RB. They will slow them down enough to get a play off more often than not, and as I said before, this offense is designed to take pressure off the O line in the first place.

Of course.
I just thought last year Texas started calling plays to protect their offense instead of trying to score.
Any team can choose to check down, run for 3 yards, etc. That causes 3 & outs.
For me the ability of the OLine to control the game dictates play calling.
 
It's going to be a challenge at oline early. I can 100% promise you that. Shoring up the middle of the oline doesn't concern me as much with the passing game as it does with running the football. If we are unable to run the ball up the gut with the two big horses we have in the backfield, it could get ugly very quickly. We don't have a shifty Jamaal charles that can get out on the edge and outrun people. Running just off tackle and up the gut will have to be our bread and butter. Baylor had the option of using the pass to set up the run, or running to set up the pass. Granted, Baylor ran the ball a little more than they threw it, but they could sling it around all day if they had to.

We can't do that yet.....

Isn't Kirk Johnson supposed to be shifty? And if that becomes an important component of the game plan wouldn't it be sensible to play Heard at QB and let him make plays with his feet?
 
Isn't Kirk Johnson supposed to be shifty? And if that becomes an important component of the game plan wouldn't it be sensible to play Heard at QB and let him make plays with his feet?
I don't disagree BUT, when was the last time you saw Kirk Johnson making romance taylor or Jamaal charles-like outside runs consistently?
 
I don't disagree BUT, when was the last time you saw Kirk Johnson making romance taylor or Jamaal charles-like outside runs consistently?

Never. I've only seen him make one nice run against TT, then he got hurt. I've heard, through vague practice reports he's got some moves. Using all the pieces at hand appears to be a major theme for the coaching staff this year.
 
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None of our backs have Taylor or Charles' moves or speed. Warren has good straight line speed and top end speed, really good for his size, and Foreman as well, but they don't have that quick acceleration like Taylor and Charles.
 
None of our backs have Taylor or Charles' moves or speed. Warren has good straight line speed and top end speed, really good for his size, and Foreman as well, but they don't have that quick acceleration like Taylor and Charles.
Hence why it's going to be damn hard for us to run outside with any consistency. And if we can't run outside, we gotta run inside. And if we don't get our middle three on the oline to step up, we in trouble.
 
I guess I don't over-complicate things when it comes to OLine/Dline.

To me it really doesn't matter what scheme it is if the OLine is a yard in the backfield. Or vice versa.

The Baylor O does just enough running between the tackles to keep the D honest. It is about making the other side's big guys run to sideline, preferable the furtherest one, every 15 seconds with the inside receiver lined up on the numbers and the outside receiver on the sideline yard marks.
 
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Tempo excites me and scares me at the same time. I haven't watched alot of Baylor film, watched some Tulsa film from last year, couldn't really find Eastern Illinois or Bowing Green film. They go up tempo and if its a 6 man box they run a majority of the time, 7 man box its a pass a majority of the time. When they went up tempo several plays in a row they seemed to exploit a defense that couldn't get lined up properly. What scares me is if we have three and outs with this up tempo offense.
 
If the line totally collapses on every play, sure. On the other hand, you cant expect each linemen to win each battle on every play. That is a Watson strategy. Their best D-lineman is going to be going up against our center, who is either a true-freshman, or worse, a back up to a true freshman. We are going to have to anticipate that this position is going to need some help. But that's called coaching.

I'm sure he will be coached to cut as much as he can. Snap the ball, cut, snap the ball, cut.
 
The Baylor O does just enough running between the tackles to keep the D honest. It is about making the other side's big guys run to sideline, preferable the furtherest one, every 15 seconds with the inside receiver lined up on the numbers and the outside receiver on the sideline yard marks.
The offense, if it is executed correctly, will punish for over commitment, either to the run or to the pass.
Tempo excites me and scares me at the same time. I haven't watched alot of Baylor film, watched some Tulsa film from last year, couldn't really find Eastern Illinois or Bowing Green film. They go up tempo and if its a 6 man box they run a majority of the time, 7 man box its a pass a majority of the time. When they went up tempo several plays in a row they seemed to exploit a defense that couldn't get lined up properly. What scares me is if we have three and outs with this up tempo offense.
The three and outs killed us last year, even without tempo.
 
Speaking of qb's-- is anybody watching hard knocks? Jared Goff can flat out sling the freaking rock. Even Mike Singletary and Eric dickerson are gushing over him. What I wouldn't give to have an arm like that on our squad.
 
Speaking of qb's-- is anybody watching hard knocks? Jared Goff can flat out sling the freaking rock. Even Mike Singletary and Eric dickerson are gushing over him. What I wouldn't give to have an arm like that on our squad.

He also isn't even the starting qb....he is 3rd string right now at the moment or 2nd. But who you know who is having a better preseason then him Dak Prescott bet that name never would of popped up in your head being a 4th round draft pick.
 
I watched this recently. Gave me a bit more hope for Swoopes to be able to get it done. It is a highlight reel, so only the good throws, but may help those having anxiety about the starting QB situation.

I've always thought Swoopes had the potential in him. It's possible has not had the right system for him so far. Perhaps Gilbert will open that up for him.
 
The Quarterbacks

Jerrod Heard – The quarterback roster has changed, as the long-suspected move of Jerrod Heard to wide receiver was confirmed during Fall camp. I like the move, but don’t count ‘Juice’ out just yet, fans may see him take some snaps this season before long (read ‘Hazardous Heard’).

Tyrone Swoopes – The embattled big man will likely receive playing time, a good way to provide the staff with important confirmation, can Swoopes overcome his troubled past under ‘live fire’? Also, don’t forget the ’18-Wheeler’ package, as Gilbert and Mattox do employ ‘jumbo’ personnel in short yardage and goal line situations.

Shane Buechele – ‘Sugar’ Shane, as I call him is a gifted passer with sniper-like accuracy. The current knock on Shane, he’s small and may struggle some pushing the ball deep downfield. That said, if he’s accurate, understands coverage, and completes throws underneath, that may be enough. His first appearance will have all Longhorns fans on the edge of their seats.

Kai Locksley – Kai’s current role is to serve as a backup to the 2-deep on the quarterback roster, though that may still place him behind Heard. Also, he’s been practicing at outside receiver, so there’s that too. He’s a tremendous athlete, like ‘Juice’ and may see himself returning punts or providing a backup plan for the ‘Heard package’. Either way, it’d be wise for Kai to be a great teammate and fulfill whatever role the staff asks of him. This team needs everyone to buy in.

Mathew Merrick – Not much has been said about Matthew. I know very little about him and due to the spring game being cut short, fans didn’t see him play. Nevertheless, Matthew will likely fill an emergency role this season. If a rash of injuries occurs at the position, it’s somewhat comforting that Texas does have a 4th option.

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Buechele is still in a battle with Tyrone Swoopes, but ESPN analyst Tom Luginbill said the Longhorns had “no choice” but to tap Buechele as starter.

“They’re one of the few programs right now that has no choice,” Luginbill said. “They absolutely know, without question, black and white, what they have with Tyrone Swoopes. It’s not good enough. I’ll tell you what they have: when they snap the ball on first down, it’s second and 12. That’s a problem.

“If they don’t get consistency in the passing game, start creating explosive plays … this is a roster at Texas that has a lot of talented players, both on defense and on offense,” Luginbill said. “I think with Sterlin Gilbert coming in, you keep the 18-Wheeler package with Tyrone Swoopes, like Blake Bell was at Oklahoma, you move Jerrod Heard over to the receiver position and you play with Buechele and you ride him out. Because you cannot be any worse.”

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Newsflash:



Baring something weird or miraculous, Swoopes is going to start against ND.

Let it sink in. It appears SB has hit a wall of sorts and isn't progressing as quickly as he was.
 
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It's not easy when you have to rely on a freshman. Swoopes is probably the best option at qb. Ouch. But if texas wants to compete, and they want to talk like '17 is the year, then you'd have to come into 2017 with an experienced qb or it'll the 4th sub 10 win season in a row.
 
Tempo excites me and scares me at the same time. I haven't watched alot of Baylor film, watched some Tulsa film from last year, couldn't really find Eastern Illinois or Bowing Green film. They go up tempo and if its a 6 man box they run a majority of the time, 7 man box its a pass a majority of the time. When they went up tempo several plays in a row they seemed to exploit a defense that couldn't get lined up properly. What scares me is if we have three and outs with this up tempo offense.
The ball goes where the defense isn't. Everyone near the line, throw it deep. Everyone backs off, pass it short. Commit an extra man to the box, its a pass, give some help in coverage, its a run.
It's not easy when you have to rely on a freshman. Swoopes is probably the best option at qb. Ouch. But if texas wants to compete, and they want to talk like '17 is the year, then you'd have to come into 2017 with an experienced qb or it'll the 4th sub 10 win season in a row.
Swoopes is most assuredly not the best option. Strong may have talked himself into thinking he is the safer option to put in on the first offensive series, but even the reports that have Swoopes starting maintain that Buchele is a better passer and moves the chains better.
 
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Gilbert is making the call....and everything I've heard lines up with the recent BC articles on O and D post Fall Ball.
 
Gilbert is making the call....and everything I've heard lines up with the recent BC articles on O and D post Fall Ball.
I'm not sure I fully buy that, however, even Anwar Richardson, who penned the original article about Swoopes starting, has said in radio interviews that this is not about Swoopes being ahead of Buchele. He claims that they are about even, so the staff prefers to let Buchele take the job by his play in games. He claims that this is both to keep Swoopes engaged, who no doubt was going to see playing time at some point anyway, and ease Buchele into the college game.
I don't agree with this strategy, because IMO the time you spend giving Swoopes snaps is time spent losing ground on whatever competitor we are playing. With that said, maybe he has improved enough that the ship won't totally sink while he's at the helm. We are about to find out.
 
Swoopes is most assuredly not the best option. Strong may have talked himself into thinking he is the safer option to put in on the first offensive series, but even the reports that have Swoopes starting maintain that Buchele is a better passer and moves the chains better.

Crazy how things can denigrate to the point of a freshman being your best bet to win.
 
I'm stating it based on first hand info/what I was told by people I still know on the ground and within the program, like I said...Everything I've been told jives with the BC article, if you haven't seen them. Check them out. I trust my peeps.

I can assure you, per conversations I've had. There are pros and cons for both.
 
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It's not easy when you have to rely on a freshman. Swoopes is probably the best option at qb. Ouch. But if texas wants to compete, and they want to talk like '17 is the year, then you'd have to come into 2017 with an experienced qb or it'll the 4th sub 10 win season in a row.
He is going to play and will eventually over take the position this season, it not all gloom and doom Heidi.
 
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