Report: Charlie Strong out as Texas' coach after the season

[GuaranteedFresh!]

Recruiting will take a nose dive intially, but if UT hires Herman you will see a major last minute avalanche of recruits to Texas. If Texas lands Herman recruiting is set for a long time...

All we have to do is not look like a highschool 2A playing against nfl teams. Win & the recruits will fight to fill up our scholarships. Herman has been impressive but his resume is too thin to comfortably reignite the barn fire for him.
I think we have the right coach but his major flaw holding on to coordinators too long. I now see that Vance has officially been demoted. Let's see what happens.

 

[DHHorn]

Strong is a bad game day coach. No coordinators are going to change that. We are a sloppy team who makes mistakes most high school teams don't even do.

 

[Blackcat00]

Lets also not forget he is getting 5 MILLION a year. You bet your ass that he better show improvement. We have had 4 blocked field goals now. 1 in the ND game and 3 in the OSU game plus the defense is in total shambles.

Don't forget the fg block for 7 against Baylor at home in his first year.

 

[diadevic]

"The incidents and factors that contributed to Sam Ukwuachu's dismissal from the Boise State football team had nothing to do with accusations of any sexual assaults or with accusations that he physically assaulted any women," the Boise State statement said. "Boise State University never received any reports nor had any knowledge of Sam Ukwuachu being involved in any accusations of sexual assault before or during his time at Boise State http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...issal-unrelated-domestic-violence-allegations

This sounds suspiciously like what happened in Waco. Why didn't Peterson report the assault to the Boise St. administration/Title IX office?

 

[ryan_sublett]

I get that the boosters have a lot of control over what happens to the football program. Maybe more than ever with Perrin in charge. However let's not forget the boosters are largely responsible for Mack hanging on two years to long. Some of them are responsible for Saban not coming here reportedly.

Also I know Red McCombs has donated a lot of money to UT and has been a supporter for a long time. It's no secret though hes hated Strong from day 1. I'd be careful how much influence we let a near 90 year old man with a clear agenda have on the next 15 years of Texas football.

 

[horn01]

Strong is a bad game day coach. No coordinators are going to change that. We are a sloppy team who makes mistakes most high school teams don't even do.

There have definitely been some questionable decisions. I was screaming at the tv when Strong took a defensive time out after a first down sack with about a minute in the first half. OSU was probably content to kneel it at that point and go into the locker room with a five point (unearned) lead. We got the ball to start the second half. Instead, Strong, who knows that the D has been getting gashed, calls a time out. The proceed to pick up twenty yards on the next play to get a first down and end up scoring a TD to end the half.

 

[RTLH]

What a cop out of true journalism this reporter wrote. Why is letting somebody finish out the season ridiculous? If even true, however, one would at least think it would be more detrimental to the coach to fire him immediately. I mean at least he can regroup and finish the season on a high note and set up another coaching position with some leverage. You can't win with these people that fan the flame no matter what you do.

Makes no sense. If you dont want him, take his keys and all other credentials and show him the door. This is in any sport not just here. If it were 1 or 2 games left then I could understand it

 

[westx]

Makes no sense. If you dont want him, take his keys and all other credentials and show him the door. This is in any sport not just here. If it were 1 or 2 games left then I could understand it

Makes no sense? Your example is the exception to the rule. Let's count how many schools or professional organization fire the coach mid-season compared to post season.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

I don't like mid season firings. There is no reason to make it ugly.

 

[RoboCocks21]

Pump the brakes. This is rumblings from billionaires who have press agents. If you think that a few of our billionaires from Texas don't have VERY close relationships with big media, you're crazy.

McCombs has Clear Channel----- enough said.

Here's how this plays out- nothing has been decided yet. Perrin doesn't have Dodds savvy approach to things-- will Herman be considered--- certainly. BUT-- we should also look elsewhere behind the scenes.
Peterson isn't coming here. His family has health issues and they love the doctor they have and refuse to use anyone else. The doctor isn't moving. Period. Neither is Chris. He's out.
Les and Art--- if I have to address these two, you need help. Not happening.
Jimbo-- we don't want him. He got lucky with Winston. FL st has played below their means since then.
David Shaw-- don't want him. The "power" running game that Charlie wanted here didn't work with Watson or Wickline. Plus, I believe that Shaw is still benefiting from the "Harbaugh effect" as I like to call it.
Jim Harbaugh- ship has sailed.
Jon Gruden-- ship has sailed thanks to Patterson.
Herman-- no resume. I like the guy but his resume is shorter than charlie's and my big complaint about charlie was his "lack" of a solid resume.

This leaves us with only a handful of choices. I know who I want--- I get to hang out with with Perrin and Fenves and Admiral McCraven next weekend when my uncle is posthumously inducted into the Longhorn hall of honor so you can bet your a$$ I'm going to ask some questions.

Clob answer me this. If we get smashed by the gooners on Saturday then will you say who you have in mind? Or who you would want?

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Wow. Just read an analysis that NO coach in the history of college football started below a .65 winning percentage and went on to win a NC at that school. Charlie Strong started out below .500 winning percentage at Texas. Therefore, he has a .01% chance of ever winning a NC at Texas, no matter how much time we give him.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Clob you know more than I do about the ins and outs and clearly have connections. I would say this though. I don't think Jon Gruden is ever completely off the table. I think he looks around every year just to see. I've heard people say he would leave ESPN for the right job. We also know Gruden loves QBs and we may have the best up and comer around

 

[westx]

Wow. Just read an analysis that NO coach in the history of college football started below a .65 winning percentage and went on to win a NC at that school. Charlie Strong started out below .500 winning percentage at Texas. Therefore, he has a .01% chance of ever winning a NC at Texas, no matter how much time we give him.

It isn't good. I am watching the presser where they are grilling Charlie (rightly so). For once, I am on the side of the press. They are asking tough questions and Charlie is answering well IMO. No matter how difficult the questions have been, he is maintaining poise and answering questions honestly and respectfully. He has gotten off point a couple of times, but, I am sure it is hard. I can't imagine how the internal strife may be with Bedford being demoted. This is so much to digest. I just can't get over the blocked field goals even if he gets the defense fixed.

 

[swVAHorn]

It isn't good. I am watching the presser where they are grilling Charlie (rightly so). For once, I am on the side of the press. They are asking tough questions and Charlie is answering well IMO. No matter how difficult the questions have been, he is maintaining poise and answering questions honestly and respectfully. He has gotten off point a couple of times, but, I am sure it is hard. I can't imagine how the internal strife may be with Bedford being demoted. This is so much to digest. I just can't get over the blocked field goals even if he gets the defense fixed.

Not 1, not 2, BUT 3 blocked is pure craziness. When you put that with all the other mistakes over a 2 plus years period of time the writing is on the wall. The defense will get better simply because it can't be MUCH worse....but it is time for a change. I like Strong and it bothers me he wasn't successful at Texas....for him as well as Texas. I will not root against Texas though. Just can't do it.

 

[RTLH]

If the 49ers clean house, Chip Kelly?
He is doing just what he did in Philly.
Maybe he is meant for the college game.
He would be a home run hire for any top tier college program.

 

[weevilcatch]

Pump the brakes. This is rumblings from billionaires who have press agents. If you think that a few of our billionaires from Texas don't have VERY close relationships with big media, you're crazy.

McCombs has Clear Channel----- enough said.

Here's how this plays out- nothing has been decided yet. Perrin doesn't have Dodds savvy approach to things-- will Herman be considered--- certainly. BUT-- we should also look elsewhere behind the scenes.
Peterson isn't coming here. His family has health issues and they love the doctor they have and refuse to use anyone else. The doctor isn't moving. Period. Neither is Chris. He's out.
Les and Art--- if I have to address these two, you need help. Not happening.
Jimbo-- we don't want him. He got lucky with Winston. FL st has played below their means since then.
David Shaw-- don't want him. The "power" running game that Charlie wanted here didn't work with Watson or Wickline. Plus, I believe that Shaw is still benefiting from the "Harbaugh effect" as I like to call it.
Jim Harbaugh- ship has sailed.
Jon Gruden-- ship has sailed thanks to Patterson.
Herman-- no resume. I like the guy but his resume is shorter than charlie's and my big complaint about charlie was his "lack" of a solid resume.

This leaves us with only a handful of choices. I know who I want--- I get to hang out with with Perrin and Fenves and Admiral McCraven next weekend when my uncle is posthumously inducted into the Longhorn hall of honor so you can bet your a$$ I'm going to ask some questions.

Sean Payton will probably be available...

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...as-longhorns-put-charlie-strong-hot-seat-loss Texas is #5 on the ESPN bottom 10 list.

 

[JohnsBrother]

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...as-longhorns-put-charlie-strong-hot-seat-loss Texas is #5 on the ESPN bottom 10 list.

Interesting, the only team on the list with more than one win.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I had a funny thought.

We fire Strong and hire Tom Herman. Houston in turn hires Charlie Strong.

It actually makes sense. Charlie is a guy that would be loved in Houston and coaching in a non-P5 conference might be just want he needs to get his stuff back together. He knows Texas recruiting now and he can pretty much bring most of his staff over.

He isn't Tom Herman, but I think he would be a great hire for Houston.

 

[JohnsBrother]

The gift of the Texas football magi...

 

[ifpk454]

Charlie is one lucky dude. $5M per year and don't deliver results. At least he could do is practice managing football games by playing some Madden football. This isn't rocket science , but Charlie is not a manager. He is a recruiter who can coach a little. If he wasn't black I don't think the last AD would have hired him.

 

[diadevic]

If he wasn't black I don't think the last AD would have hired him.

Do you really believe this? I'm not trying to pick a fight, because you certainly aren't the only one to imply this. I personally think in this day and age if one is going to bring race into an equation there better be some iron clad evidence.

 

[bubba2023]

Do you really believe this? I'm not trying to pick a fight, because you certainly aren't the only one to imply this. I personally think in this day and age if one is going to bring race into an equation there better be some iron clad evidence.

I don't necessarily believe it, but Steve Patterson has made comments that you can construe that he was looking to hire the first black football HC for Texas.

 

[clob94]

Do you really believe this? I'm not trying to pick a fight, because you certainly aren't the only one to imply this. I personally think in this day and age if one is going to bring race into an equation there better be some iron clad evidence.

Upon his firing I had a HUGE problem with his "look at me, look at what I did" farewell speech.
He said "I'm most proud of the historic hires I made in both men's basketball and football.....".

Now what's so historic about them? I was under the impression that we were hiring the right men for the job. Were they historic because we won national titles in our first year with each coach? How about conference titles? Did we have a huge number of all American players? Academic all American? Did we set scoring records or some other milestone I missed?

Steve Patterson made this about race and he CONFIRMED it when he was fired by making those remarks. It's easy to take someone attitude, like @westx did when I first came in here, and point at it as racism. My argument was that Charlie wasn't qualified based on his resume. @westx just admitted to me the other day that he thought (back then) I was mad because Charlie wasn't "some white guy from the south". See how easy it is for even a level headed person to point that dirty stick?

Need further proof?

Jack Arute is arguably the greatest college football sideline man ever. Incredibly knowledgeable, thoughtful and we'll spoken. He used to host a radio show on Sirius on the college sports station. The day after Patterson was fired I called into that show to talk to him about Patterson's firing. Gino Torreta, was hosting along with him--- after I asked them to explain what Patterson meant when he said "historic hires" you could have heard a mouse fart. Total freaking silence. Dead air. At least 10-12 seconds by them both.
Jack Arute finally says "well Gino, I don't know about you but I'm not touching that one." Torretta then says "ya jack, me neither......".

When two guys that KNOW college football refuse to comment on a quote from an athletic director regarding his hires, you know race played into it.

Flip side of that coin-- should Mike Tomlin or Tony Dungey ever decide to come to Texas, you'll have to literally block me for singing their praises 24/7. THESE men have a resume I'd kill for.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Here is my take on the issue of race.

If we fire Charlie Strong, you are going to hear about it because of his race, but I don't think it will be huge because he has sucked pretty badly.

However, I'm still of the opinion before we fire him we need to have our full-time AD in place. If that person were say Condalisa Rice, I feel pretty good about the notion that few if any would have a problem with Strong being fired.

Now that is just a take based on the fact that she is an amazing leader and could lead most any company and UT is a huge corporation when it comes to the AD office.

That is just one thought, fact is I don't care who the AD is, as long as they don't suck like the last AD hire we made.

 

[bubba2023]

I don't listen, read, or watch much of the national stuff, but is race even being brought up by the ESPN, Fox, CBS, or whatever talking heads?

 

[TexExSpur]

Here is my take on the issue of race.

If we fire Charlie Strong, you are going to hear about it because of his race, but I don't think it will be huge because he has sucked pretty badly.

However, I'm still of the opinion before we fire him we need to have our full-time AD in place. If that person were say Condalisa Rice, I feel pretty good about the notion that few if any would have a problem with Strong being fired.

Now that is just a take based on the fact that she is an amazing leader and could lead most any company and UT is a huge corporation when it comes to the AD office.

That is just one thought, fact is I don't care who the AD is, as long as they don't suck like the last AD hire we made.

His record will resolve the race card... unless he goes 10-2 or 9-3 and gets canned.

He's 9-10 in conference play and he's 13-16 at Texas.

 

[RoboCocks21]

Flip side of that coin-- should Mike Tomlin or Tony Dungey ever decide to come to Texas, you'll have to literally block me for singing their praises 24/7. THESE men have a resume I'd kill for.

Did Clob just give it away on who he wanted as our next hire?!

To be continued...

 

[JohnsBrother]

I don't listen, read, or watch much of the national stuff, but is race even being brought up by the ESPN, Fox, CBS, or whatever talking heads?

I haven't heard anything. Race won't be brought up by the sports media, but rather by people and organizations that have nothing to do with sports at all.

 

[ASURAM2010]

Did Clob just give it away on who he wanted as our next hire?!

To be continued...

If you could talk Tony Dungy out of retirement, that would be an awesome get. He would continue the "boys to men" transformation that Charlie is so big on and he has skins on the wall. Just don't know how he would recruit.

 

[bubba2023]

I haven't heard anything. Race won't be brought up by the sports media, but rather by people and organizations that have nothing to do with sports at all.

I don't know national sports media generally loves to play the race card. There whole existence is to get people fired up one regardless of being right or wrong.

 

[clob94]

Did Clob just give it away on who he wanted as our next hire?!

To be continued...

I know who I want--- but it's not the time right now. We have a coach and until it's been confirmed that he's leaving, I'm not sending any emails or suggestions to anyone-- that's not cool.

But yes--- I know 3 names that we should target that would be "blow your fvcking mind" hires and none of them are named Carroll, Saban, Miles, Meyer or Herman.

 

[RoboCocks21]

I know who I want--- but it's not the time right now. We have a coach and until it's been confirmed that he's leaving, I'm not sending any emails or suggestions to anyone-- that's not cool.

But yes--- I know 3 names that we should target that would be "blow your fvcking mind" hires and none of them are named Carroll, Saban, Miles, Meyer or Herman.

THIS ^^^^^

TO BE CONTINUED LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

 

[westx]

Steve Patterson made this about race and he CONFIRMED it when he was fired by making those remarks. It's easy to take someone attitude, like @westx did when I first came in here, and point at it as racism. My argument was that Charlie wasn't qualified based on his resume. @westx just admitted to me the other day that he thought (back then) I was mad because Charlie wasn't "some white guy from the south". See how easy it is for even a level headed person to point that dirty stick?

It is pretty clear you aren't racist and I had thought you articulated well what you meant about "right fit" last year or whenever that was. But, I just wanted to add a little more context for what it is worth. I have never been a race issue guy, though it may have come across that way. My perspective goes waaayy back to when Craig James was discussing the troubled coaching era "Mr Porsche" John Mackovic. He coined the phrase "He just ain't Bubba". That particular catch phrase resonated with the public and caught on to everybody talking about the Texas football program. Simply, I interpreted that phrase into white man from the south, wrong or right. When you said "right fit", I made a wrong assumption to my preconceived notion. BTW, I have never called anybody here racist, it was simply a discussion to argue that particular point. My words were so close to doing it that I'll just say "fair enough" if I am accused of using the race card on that particular discussion.

 

[cwillfromdatx]

Whoever is brought in, has to have knowledge of the Texas high schools. If it's going to be a NFL guy, he has to be able to lure kids to play an NFL style because we know in Texas everyone plays a spread option offense and that might make it hard to get kids even if he's a legit NFL coach. I'm still in the wait and see approach. Give Strong his 4th year and if he's suck as he have done so far, then he's gone. If this team makes a bowl game, I will be happy because the talent is there but thin and young. BEDFORD has to go though