Thought provoking article on the horizon for the BigXII and possible growth

[jsto60]

http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-conference-questions-future-expansion-1528668401.html


For those in places like OK that have an aversion to reading, the basic idea is that an important vote is coming up for the BigXII. The conferences will decide if the 10 team conference will be allowed to have a CC game. The BigXII admits that not having a 13th data point aka CC game, is a disadvantage. If the vote on Jan15th allows the BigXII to have this game with only 10 teams....the conference will likely stay the same. If not, the conference most likely will expand within a year or two.

It proposes that as we sit today, BYU and Cincy are the most likely adds.

Another school in the B1G has added a provision that says even if the 10 team conf thing is added, they must have divisions with division winners playing each other....that way the CC game is not manipulated (they are worried about the ACC doing something strange and are also trying to make things harder on the BigXII who never helped them out when they were a 10 team league)

 

[speedstrength]

Baylor and TCU would make it very difficult for BYU to join the conference. The other problem is that they don't bring much value in terms of TV markets and the TV money split would go way down.

 

[jsto60]

I didn't say I'd pick BYU. This was what the article suggested is the most likely scenario given the pulse.

BYU keeps being pointed to as THE team the BigXII wants most and they have for years now. Add in that they also have a want to join a major conf now after seeing Indy status not work out.

As for TV. Of course splitting things 10 ways vs 12 ways seems on the surface to bring in less $. But remember with more teams and wider TV markets, the TV deal will eventually grow. And more importantly the BigXII allows for 3rd party TV rights, which some of the revenue has to be split amongst the other teams. So BYUs own network would add revenue and enlarge pie it is also taking a piece out of.

 

[speedstrength]

The people that wrote the artlice are just looking at the best available teams and throwing them out there. The fact that BYU is basically an arm of the Mormon Church is a deal breaker for Baylor and TCU. They don't want the TV money going to support the Mormon Church. BYU made more sense than WVU last round but they weren't even considered by the powers that be.

 

[clob94]

Agreed. Baylor and TCU will throw fits over the mormons.

So much for the Christian thing to do..........

 

[Brentwood Sooner]

If the big 12 adds them 2 scrubs OU needs to get out ASAP. Those teams bring nothing to the table and big 12 already made a mistake taking in WVU

 

[diadevic]

Agreed. Baylor and TCU will throw fits over the mormons.

So much for the Christian thing to do..........

Why do you say that? I have read or seen nothing which indicates Baylor opposes BYU.

 

[bubba2023]

Not that I would want to add BYU, but the conference would need to put Baylor and TCU in their place if they think anyone gives a F about their religious objections in the context of conference expansion.

 

[diadevic]

Not that I would want to add BYU, but the conference would need to put Baylor and TCU in their place if they think anyone gives a F about their religious objections in the context of conference expansion.

Again, I ask -- who is objecting? I don't know why this board is a forum for your anti-Christian viewpoints based on speculation of an objection to expansion based solely on religious views. I got no problem with BYU. Cincy, on the other hand, would weaken the conference.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

I can't wait for us to get out of this dump of a conference.

 

[RealBear]

I can't wait for us to get out of this dump of a conference.

Now that's funny, coming from you.

So really, the biggest disappointment in the Big 12 is THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.

Refute that! The fact your program is so far down has nothing to do with the value of the Big12. The LHN and arrogance plus hiring poor incompetent coaches plus bad recruiting is your problem, not Baylor, OU, OKST, TT, KST,WV AND TCU!

Fix UT and improve the neighborhood, how about it!

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

I'm a graduate of UT and I will graduate from Baylor in 2016. I am sick of UT fans ragging on Christians. I am sick of watching UT lose. Right now, Baylor and TCU have better football teams than UT, as judged by their season records. UT needs to fix their team before concerning themselves with assumptions about the desires of Baylor and TCU.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

I'm aware that our program is down (though the LHN really has nothing to do with it). That's not really news to anyone.

I'm also aware that this conference is a demographic loser with no realistic possibilities for improvement, and that it's doomed to a terrible TV deal in the next round of negotiations. Whether or not our program is in good shape is irrelevant. The conference is a dump, and we should have bailed on it four years ago. We definitely need to take advantage of our next opportunity.

 

[bubba2023]

Again, I ask -- who is objecting? I don't know why this board is a forum for your anti-Christian viewpoints based on speculation of an objection to expansion based solely on religious views. I got no problem with BYU. Cincy, on the other hand, would weaken the conference.

Didn't mean it as a verification that they are objecting. Just speaking from a general sense that TCU and Baylor's religious stances shouldn't be in the discussion when talking about conference expansion.

 

[HornosaurusRex]

So really, the biggest disappointment in the Big 12 is THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.

Refute that!

Ok.

Hook 'em

 

[Scholz]

So really, the biggest disappointment in the Big 12 is THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.

Really? We've won national championships in football and baseball recently as well as football BCS games. How about you? Maybe win something significant on the national stage for the first time in history before talking down to us, real whiner.

Oh and scoreboard. Go cry a little.

 

[clob94]

Why do you say that? I have read or seen nothing which indicates Baylor opposes BYU.

I have several Baylor friends and a couple of TCU friends that are very involved with their respective universities and I've asked the same question before.

The answer I get is "well.....you know...... they're Mormon. There are elements there that we don't condone......"Usually something to the effect. I usually just shrug and let sleeping dogs lie. I did, however, choose to engage once and my retort was "It's not very Christian to judge.... you know, judge not lest ye be judged...".....

 

[HornosaurusRex]

No drinking, no dancing, no sex, etc...

Seems like Baylor/TCU would welcome a school with shared conservative attitudes as compared to another Sodom and Gomorrah, but regardless they're two votes out of ten, so I dont think they're going to decide what's best for the conference.

That said, the ship has sailed on the best options to expand... so in the end [which will be when the tv contract and signing of rights agreement expires in 2025], I think it's for naught.

Hook 'em

 

[jsto60]

The people that wrote the artlice are just looking at the best available teams and throwing them out there. The fact that BYU is basically an arm of the Mormon Church is a deal breaker for Baylor and TCU. They don't want the TV money going to support the Mormon Church. BYU made more sense than WVU last round but they weren't even considered by the powers that be.

Never seen BU or TCU say that.

Also last time BYU themselves wanted to go Independent. And now that isn't working out for them.


This really doesn't have to do with religion. It is TV sets. Same reason UT won't let UH in. They don't gain any TV sets that way in the Houston market which already watches, and they don't want to strengthen a commuter school. They've kept UH out notoriously for a while. Its about $, not TV.

 

[Scholz]

I don't know why this board is a forum for your anti-Christian viewpoints...

That's a bit strong isn't it? Seems to me he was anti-religious bigotry against Mormonism in the context of a football conference. If you equate that with being anti-Christian, then that might be telling.

BTW, I think Cal objected to Baylor's inclusion in a potential merger with the PAC a few years back. Same kind of religious bigotry.