Wow. Talk about generalizing. Maybe your buddy just wasn't good enough to warrant waiting for, ever think about that? Just sayin. Please show me the official UT policy that backs up your statement.
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Let me first say I have no problem with Christians and actually have toured a Morman temple. It's a bit different let me tell ya. With that said I don't see the problem here. We are talking about an athletic conference no one is saying you have to go to Morman mass or whatever they call it. As far as "sharing money with the Mormon church". When you see the check you'll get over it.
I'd also tell baylor and TCU both look the lack of a championship game has screwed you 2 years in a row we can add BYU or we can stay at 10. Texas, OU and probably OSU can make it without the game. You probably can't. Let's not make this about religion because it has nothing to do with anything.
Now if not BYU there are some other teams
Cincinnati, Boise state, maybe someone like Utah state. A lot of "mid major" type programs that want and could play at the higher level.
I'd also tell baylor and TCU both look the lack of a championship game has screwed you 2 years in a row we can add BYU or we can stay at 10. Texas, OU and probably OSU can make it without the game. You probably can't. Let's not make this about religion because it has nothing to do with anything.
Now if not BYU there are some other teams
Cincinnati, Boise state, maybe someone like Utah state. A lot of "mid major" type programs that want and could play at the higher level.
Scholz, my sample size was one. He played Strong Side Defensive End. He was 6"5, 240 pounds. I played Weak Side Defensive End. Both of us were first-team all district selections. We made the playoffs. He broke the Texas state record for Shotput and Discuss at the Texas Relays. His name is Jim Roberts. He broke his dad's state record in those events. He was good enough.
I doubt UT would offer anyone an athletic scholarship that planned on taking a year plus off, nor should they. I doubt there is any policy preventing it though. That being said the poster you are responding to seems a bit misguided in his religious persecution rant. If one is not attending school while going on a mission then what does he need a scholarship for?
I am disappointed that UT and A&M made him choose his religion or sports. I doubt he is the first or last Morman that has happened to.
I am not misguided. The scholarship must be guaranteed for 4 years. A provision exists, that a student remains enrolled at the University despite not taking classes. I know, because individuals in the Armed Forces deploy for a year or more and do not have to apply for readmission to the University. They are not required to take classes while away, and this provision is not exclusive to the Armed Forces.
Well when we fire coaches for winning 8 games instead of 10 games that might explain why they make those decisions. If indeed that happens. We as fans, media, boosters etc are mostly to blame for stuff like that.
Paperwork must be completed and the scholarship is guaranteed once the athlete returns from mission. It happens, BYU does it, so doubt the truth all you want.
Well, you seem to be extrapolating your sample size of 1 to a university policy. Again, just because it didn't work out for your buddy doesn't mean that UT is anti-religion.
BYU, Cincy, and any other "second 5 conference" will not significantly raise the per school payout. It would either stay the same or drop. That's one reason why there are member institutions in the Big 12 that are ok with staying at 10. Another reason is OU made the playoffs. A one loss conference champion made it. The difference between this year and last year is OU's strength of schedule was much better than Baylor and TCU and the Big 12 was stupid in not naming Baylor the champion instead of that stupid co champs thing.
That's incorrect. Being neutral on religion is not the opposite of being religious.
Maybe, maybe not. There are no competing other religions in the conference currently among member schools so you really can't say.
And the big 12 has only themselves to blame for that. There was a path to expanding the conference, and the paycheck. The big 12 chose not to get on that train, and lost out. So if they want to expand they'll just have to take the best markets they can and there will be more money both in TV and the title game. Is it going to be the massive paycheck they could of got? No but it will be more. This moaning about not wanting to share money with him because whatever should stop.
Prove you wrong about what? That UT is not anti-religion? You can't prove a negative. You made an assertion that UT makes players choose between religion and sports and used a single example to try and back that up. You made the assertion. You back it up.
And "facts" about what? That your buddy didn't get a scholarship?
I gave an example of how UT made a player choose between his religion and a UT scholarship. All I read from you is maybes, ifs, and opinions. Where are your facts? The opposite of religion is no religion or antireligion. It's not that hard to figure out. There is no neutral.
I said there's no policy at UT of being anti-religion. That is a fact, your subjective take on a friend's situation notwithstanding. And no, if a school doesn't have a religious affiliation that doesn't mean it's "anti-religion". That's ludicrous.
http://www.americangap.org/fav-colleges.php Here is a source. It refers to the time off as gap years, not specific to religion. UT and A&M aren't on the list. The value of the list is to notice that , as of 2013-2014, some universites honored the admission and scholarship. Others do not.
I never said there was a policy that specifically said it was antireligious. That would be a dumb move for any university. It is anti-Mormon to not honor a players scholarship while they are on mission.
The ACLU recently defended a Mormon student's religious rights in West Virginia for this very act. The Mormon student completed his freshman year and filed paperwork with the scholarship board to hold his scholly while away on mission. They denied it. Now, they are going to court.
Ok so your unofficial, informal survey that may or may not have even included UT and which doesn't refer to religion is a source backing up your claim that UT is anti-religious. Gotcha.
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Or it is a faulty assumption that your buddy got passed over because of his religion simply because there was another dude who could play right away.
How many Mormon football players have played on scholarship at UT, went on a 1-year mission, and had their scholarships honored upon return?
Scholz, you can assume away. I know what happened. I was there. That is not generalizing. He had to make a choice due to his religion. All the coaches were aware. He was offered for football and track. He chose BYU because they honored his scholarship after his religious mission. Speculate on depth chart of the football and track teams. That's all you got.
Scholz, why are you so defensive? It's a conversation. I can see you are emotional. We should stop here. You have a position and so do I. Neither of us will convince the other to budge. Good night and God Bless you Scholz!
Not assuming anything. It's a fact that UT doesn't discriminate in terms of religion. You're the one trying to paint with a huge brush based on a single biased personal experience. If he didn't want to play or wasn't available to play for whatever reason, and some equally talented guy did and could, then the other guy probably got the spot. It's not supernatural and not some imaginary and baseless religious persecution.
I don't like UT being painted as anti-religious completely falsely. Don't lie about my university. I also am very tired of religious fanatics claiming imaginary persecutions at every turn. The laughable, annual, supposed "War on Christmas" comes to mind. And lastly because religion isn't allowed to be stuffed down everyone else's throat doesn't mean those others are anti-religious. Sheesh.
Actually, they aren't required to go on missions, it's the kids choice. Living in Utah for several years, I learned a thing or two about Mormons. One of my BYU friends told me that none of their great QBs ever went on a mission. I found that pretty interesting.
BTW Why would TCU not want to be in the same conference as BYU since they were both in the MWC just a few years ago.
Back in 2007 I went to the BYU TCU game in Provo. It was weird, almost aggsy weird, but much more pleasant as no one was drunk and they didn't slobber all over each other when BYU scored a TD.
