It wont happen but that is the only real way to add value to the current contract. Big time schools in big markets no more than 1 time zone away that are not in the current Big IX footprint. None of those schools are going to move so just stay at 10.
Thought provoking article on the horizon for the BigXII and possible growth
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I agree. There are lots of theories that some smaller schools in big markets might work if you got enough of them (like 14, and include one or both of UCF/USF, Memphis, Cincy, etc), but ultimately everything would have to work perfectly, including almost all of the schools involved taking huge steps up rather quickly after joining the conference. And things almost never go perfectly. I think an attempt like that would just speed up OU and or Texas pulling the trigger (or someone else in anticipation of that) and the Big 12 going its separate ways. From the Big 12's perspective, if they can't pull off a miracle with who they get, then staying at 10 teams is the best bet... and ironically for a school like Houston, who'd love to get an invitation, their invitation would also likely the first domino that leads to, again, either OU or Texas pulling the trigger and leaving.
All of that said, from a Texas perspective (rather than a Big 12 perspective), I'm not sure that the Big 12 has a very long shelf life no matter what. Not because it's weaker team-wise or anything like that, but because ultimately it's the major conference where teams would currently strongly consider accepting an invitation to various other conferences, and because of the relatively small and difficult-to-expand footprint. Oh, and OU botching its appearance in the playoff (after the Big 12 was left out last year) didn't help. That's another reason why it's important that the Big 12 keeps scheduling tough OOC opponents.
If that's the consideration, it won't happen. There isn't a way to add value to the current contract. It's locked in due to the expansion clause. David Boren and Bob Bowlsby both mentioned this during the summer.
It is not good enough that you don't believe in God. You have to let everyone know they are mistaken and they believe in "a mythical sky being"..
I also would bet you hate when a Believer tries to talk to you about Christ....but you don't mind telling everyone what you believe.
Well since you brought it up. People that believe that the Earth, stars and universe were just...here...doesn't make since to us. Life can't be created out of nothing. Don't believe me .. Blow up all the rocks you want and it will not create 1 life. There has even been mathematical odds done on this. Look it up.
I don't go to church and even I can look at your comments here and see you do have a personal agenda at play. I thought the whole point of defining what is offensive to someone is that it is determined by the person being offended, not to someone outside to determine whether they have the right to be offended. You obviously have previously given thought to this concept to readily bring up a topic that you have issue with. Doesn't sound like a person who is tolerant and accepting of all to me.
Now I agree, every time something doesn't go someone's way, it absolutely does not mean bigotry was at play. People in general nowadays look for reasons to be offended. Everyone wants everyone else to be tolerant of their choices, but they do not reciprocate the tolerance.
Maybe the guy's friend wasn't good enough, as you said, and that is the reason he didn't have a scholarship. It seems to me it all worked out for everyone in the end, so why continue to dwell on it. And you are right, one instance, whether true or not, should not be indicative of UT's endorsement or aversion to Mormon religion/practices.
As for teams that are candidates for inclusion into the B12, I think the two best options out there are Boise and BYU. Bring them both in for football only, and BYU's secondary sports won't be an issue. Travel concerns would also be minimized by not having to send minor sports teams to their campus.
As a WVU fan, the last thing I want to do is bring in Cincy or a school in Florida that we are going to have to compete with for recruits. So in general, having a close travel partner is not that big of an issue for WVU. With 12 teams, we would have a minimum of 4 home conference games each year, and we can schedule 2 home non conference games to give us at least 6 home games each year. Every other year, when we have 5 home conference games, we should have 7 home games. Travel is not the issue people make it out to be.
The other, next best option for the B12 in terms of expansion would be to grow to 14 by bringing in BYU, Army, Navy and Air Force. All four are nationally known programs, and are appealing to TV. It puts the B12 in some big markets/states in Salt Lake City, D.C./Baltimore, Colorado(Denver), and New York State. It gives WVU two close programs in Army and Navy for easy travel if for some reason WVU does insist on travel partners. And we(the B12) would not be directly recruiting against Army, Navy or Air Force because they are looking at a different type of candidate/athlete. I would much rather watch a game where WVU is playing Navy or Air Force than to watch them play East Carolina or South Florida. And games at historic venues like West Point or Annapolis are more appealing than games at Cincinnati or Memphis.
That's not nice. Where do you propose OU goes?
Are you the type of person that put in their 2 weeks notice because they bought a losing lotto ticket today?
Not true. But don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.
You do know that OU has their own TV network as well????
So this thread is about the conf adding teams. Not OU running away because they can't make it solely an OU/UT battle like it was to win conference.
Why? The Big XII got you into the playoffs this year with a loss. You blew it of course per usual but the conference wasn't the problem.
To be honest, I still feel like any team in the Big 12 who hasn't at least looked into what their next stop would be isn't being smart. Not saying it's time for anyone to pull the trigger, but I think that it, eventually, will be either UT or OU (or both together) that blow it all up. I don't think there's an immediate rush, but I think the odds of the Big 12 expanding with most of the teams being tossed out here without also losing one of Texas or OU (and then likely losing the other quickly after) aren't very good. The expansion would have to work out to the most ideal extent possible given the teams that are available to not lead to a step backwards in money (and that would include the TV networks just agreeing to change the contracts even though they don't need to). Seems likely that the conference will stick with 10 for now and then eventually split up (maybe around 2024-2025 when the current TV contracts expire if nothing leads to it happening sooner). OU seems a bit more likely than Texas to pull the trigger at this point... though Texas is going through more changes than OU in our athletic department, so that's always a wildcard.
$ec, put OU in the east they should also get Kansas. I know Kansas sucks in football but the $ec wants to get better in basketball and that will help them a lot. Because of the crappy bowl record the Big 12 is viewed at the 4th best conference and will be hard to shake this unless they win a national title
A) Link?
B) I see you're still ignoring the fact that you got into the 4-team playoffs with a loss on your schedule this year in the Big XII.
So religious beliefs (and the inane, inevitable debate thereon) have taken over and destroyed the thread.
Great.
This is why Conservatives once believed in free exercise of religion but understood that publicly dumping their beliefs on others was destructive and to be avoided.
Great.
This is why Conservatives once believed in free exercise of religion but understood that publicly dumping their beliefs on others was destructive and to be avoided.
Those days are over. Now it's. "I'm for freedom...as long as I agree with your choices. If I don't it should be illegal because they go against my beliefs."
Hmmm, I see a couple of speculative articles from newspapers in Arizona (which seems to have brought up the idea) and Oklahoma (which seems to put a realistically low chance of this happening, particularly any time soon) but I don't see much in the way of actual rumors about looking into the Big 12, just possible issues they are having with the Pac 12 leadership, and some of the journalists' thoughts on reasons that the Big 12 could be of interest (ranging from not really recruiting California as much these days, to timezone and tv stuff). It's interesting stuff, sure, but did you see anything more on the topic that suggest they're actually looking into the Big 12? I'd be interested in reading it.
This, to me, would be pretty shocking. I mean, it would be a solution to some of the Big 12's issues... and let's be honest, if the Arizona schools made the jump, it's entirely possible that Utah and Colorado might consider it too, which would be about the best result to realignment for the Big 12 that has been speculated since... well, the point where everyone was talking about Florida State and Clemson... or... since the original 12 members were still together. Obviously it would be less than ideal for West Virginia, and at first glance it would be a bit of a nightmare to divide up into divisions (either with AZ/ASU or with AZ/ASU/CU/UU), but everything else about the situation would solidify the conference and expand their media footprint.
It all seems pretty unlikely to me... (with the Pac 12 grant of rights, leaving the conference would be tough and the Pac 12 as a whole seems less likely to completely split up and dissolve the TV contracts than the Big 12 splitting up, allowing some of the Big 12 members to join the Pac 12, possibly as allies to the Arizona schools in achieving the changes they would like)... but it would definitely put a whole new spin on things if it happened.
I don't see either conference allowing members to leave or breaking up.
No one is leaving the Pac, SEC, ACC, or Big 10 for the big 12. The Big 12 is least stable of the bunch, but a lot of things would have to happen to completely dissolve to get rid of the grant of rights issue, so it's very unlikely that anyone else leaves the big 12.
If we are going to expand it will be from the usual suspects (BYU, Houston, Cinci, Memphis) or others of that ilk. Not from other p5 conferences.
If we are going to expand it will be from the usual suspects (BYU, Houston, Cinci, Memphis) or others of that ilk. Not from other p5 conferences.
I'd agree. At least not before the TV contracts come up. I'm just saying, if it were to take 8 Big 12 members to vote to dissolve the league or the TV contracts (I don't know if it does or doesn't, I'm basing that on the number of members it takes to vote to add members or vote on a conference championship game) and 9 Pac 12 members or so (based on the idea that it might be 3/4 of the members... but the Big 12 rounded up... again, kind of pulling these numbers from no where... weakly educated guesses)... I'd see it sliiiightly more likely that you get 8 Big 12 members to turn their keys than 9 Pac 12 members. I think both are very unlikely, just one is more unlikely than the other.
Like I said before, I'd like to see a link too if there are indeed rumors that they're looking into the Big 12. There ARE these two articles, both of which suggest that at least the University of Arizona may not be entirely happy with the Pac 12 at this point and then go on to speculate about whether the Big 12 would be a better fit for them, but as far as I can tell, neither of them say that it's actually something that Arizona or Arizona State are actually looking into (or suggest that it's likely to happen). If there's been further progress on the topic, I'd be interested in reading about it.
http://tucson.com/hansen-s-sunday-n...ion_7bb5fd9c-c21c-11e5-812f-678b8e4cc8e2.html
http://newsok.com/could-arizona-or-arizona-state-be-interested-in-the-big-12/article/5474834
Being able to have LHN is the only reason UT didnt bolt to Pac in 2010. They would have gone with OU, OSU, TT, and Colorado. Utah likely 6th team to join. No way Pac was taking Baylor or BYU on religious grounds, or any other B12 school. But with the LHN, UT stayed in B12, they couldnt have LHN in Pac.
So the LHN is why KU, KSU, Bay, and ISU didnt have to join MWC or MAC or USA or BEast or WAC or SunBelt. And LHN got TCU and WVU to the B12. B12 would have folded or raided MWC without LHN keeping UT (and thus OU, OSU, and TT) in B12.
http://byucougars.com/athlete/m-football/jim-roberts This is my high school buddy. 2-time NCAA All American in track. Is that good enough?
The 1996 Texas Longhorns football team (unofficial) http://www.fanbase.com/texas-longhorns-football-1996/roster/tom-brady Recruiting rankings according to Lemming (Rivals started in 2002) Interesting that Texas took one DE in 1995 and one DE in 1996 (one played LB at Texas). My buddy's name isn't on this list. Based on this, I would surmise that he is rated higher and better at track. It didn't help that we were a small 3A high school that hadn't made it to the playoffs in decades. We started making regular playoff appearances in 1992, 1994, & 1995.
The Big 12 Conference will seriously discuss expansion at its conference meetings this week, reports the Sporting News' Mike DeCourcy.
A source told DeCourcy that BYU remains attractive but has "obstacles that appear to be too considerable," including an unwillingness to compete on Sundays. The Big 12 will reportedly consider Cincinnati, Connecticut, Central Florida and South Florida. University of Oklahoma president David Boren has long lobbied for the league to expand, arguing that the Big 12 is at a disadvantage to rival leagues with 12-15 schools. A recent rule change does allow 10-team leagues to hold a championship game, which lessens some of the pressure to add. Stay tuned.
A source told DeCourcy that BYU remains attractive but has "obstacles that appear to be too considerable," including an unwillingness to compete on Sundays. The Big 12 will reportedly consider Cincinnati, Connecticut, Central Florida and South Florida. University of Oklahoma president David Boren has long lobbied for the league to expand, arguing that the Big 12 is at a disadvantage to rival leagues with 12-15 schools. A recent rule change does allow 10-team leagues to hold a championship game, which lessens some of the pressure to add. Stay tuned.
Yeah, I just saw a couple articles with Boren (along with people over at WVU) where they sounded like they were reeeeeeally going to be pushing for expansion. Kind of an odd thing to do if Boren supposedly has a foot up on everyone when it comes to leaving the conference, as some of our OU posters suggest. The fact is, the more members that join, the harder it would be to achieve the already difficult vote that would let them out of the grant of rights contract or dissolve the conference entirely. If he's favoring expansion, it would seem that he's favoring sticking with the Big 12 for the long haul.
While there are interesting scenarios out there, I still don't see any where expansion is actually favorable at the moment. The idea of the conference expanding with the available candidates (under the pretty reasonable assumption that the oft-mentioned schools from the ACC and Pac 12, as well as those of the SEC, Big 10, along with Notre Dame, are all off the table) would actually make me think that Texas should be shopping around for a new home in 2025 when the TV contracts are up. 10 years will be plenty of time to see what effects the probable diluting of the conference will have, and by then it'd be ideal to have a escape plan hammered out, whether we take it or not.
It's like I said though, I feel like there aren't any expansion routes where the benefits look like they'll outweigh the risks involved. And expansion makes it even more difficult to leave soon. So, from where I sit, it seems like OU is saying... let's make the conference worse (which would make us want to leave anyway, but make it tougher to leave)... or we'll leave! It's... problematic. Unless they're just figuring they'll get a "no" answer and be able to use that as an excuse to try to blow it all up...?
There is something to your sentiments.
I have no idea what Boren is thinking. Ultimately I do think expansion makes sense for the conference. But you need the right teams.
Per Borens own words, he seems to be bent that he didn't get enough attention to his thoughts the last few go rounds. And he has said he wants to be taken seriously and wants the discussion not to be shut down, but to had in the direction he wants. The guy pulled some of this same ego stuff in his past careers.
