Then you really didn’t have a problem with the way he handled the situation. If an employee has done something you believe to be so bad that you believe you have to terminate you do it then. You don’t wait 6 weeks, and let them keep working in the mean time.
I agree. That goes into the legal space and I am not an expert at that.
Agree with the first part.
See that’s where I disagree. If he’s being fired because his boss told him to do something and he didn’t do it he should be fired immediately not nearly 3 months later. The money is irrelevant as I am positive there is a clause in there that says If they fire him for cause they owe him nothing or much less. That’s in every coaches contract. If they are indeed firing him for disobeying an order from his boss that indeed would be cause. So if CDC has indeed decided to fire him due to not following his orders there is no reason to wait. Actually waiting probably hurts their case.
I would normally agree with what you are saying here but the amount of money involved is still a strong consideration to wait until Dec 1. Herman has shown CDC that he is an ass clown and CDC will not forget that. Herman should be totally embarrassed when CDC and the President of the School had to get involved but he is too immature to comprehend how much he messed up. He is gone after Dec 1. Herman spit in our faces with the Eyes of Texas issue and I for one will not forget or forgive him. To add insult to injury, not only has he proven himself to not be a great coach, but now he is losing recruits right and left. He is so lucky there are not fans in the stands booing him non-stop. If CDC does not pull the trigger this year, then next season will be the sound of Boos raining down on Herman and CDC's job would be in jeopardy.
I get what you are saying, and if we are paying the buyout that would make sense, but if as others have claimed he is being fired because the president and AD told him to do something and he didn’t do it. That would fall under the “with cause” portion of his contract(I’m positive he has one) and therefore would be owed either no buyout or a far reduced one. If that’s the route they are going then they actually hurt their argument by waiting. As Herman would probably challenge it by saying “if I’m being fired with cause why did you wait 3 months” and he’d have a point.
Herman is not an employee at will. You don't just go into the office and say "Pack up your office. We'll mail you last week's pay check." He likely has some objective milestones and the ubiquitous "for cause" provision. The "for clause" provision is typically invoked for situations like Steve Sarkisian's behavior at booster events or Mike Price hitting the strip joints shortly after joining AL. You typically get out of paying severance if terminated "for cause." In Herman's case, I seriously doubt that the "for cause" provision would be invoked for the EOT matter. It, by itself, doesn't rise to the level of a typical "for cause" matter. Rather, CDC would aggregate this issue together with many other leadership issues and basically say "We want to go in another direction". By waiting until Dec. 1, the negotiation with the attorneys starts from a lower number.
I would be more convinced of Texas winning out if the offense was more productive. I just can’t understand why thw offense struggles week in and week out.
Wait---- wut? Let me go on record as saying that clob would never say that.
I apologize Clob for that post. I just tried to make an ill attempt for an outlandish idea. You have better contacts than most of us. (But, I gotta ask...did that "concussion" really happen to him?!)
It is time to stop defending Tom.. Unfortunately he blew it at Texas and Texas with the talent it has is struggling in what is one of the worst years in this conference in decades..
A few people on here wanted PJ Fleck to be considered. Not naming any names. You know who you are. That guy is a joke.
Correct, I was illustrating the absurdity of going after another mediocre coach and paying him 7 million per year. It's dumb.
I would say ignoring orders from the people who you report to would fall under “cause”. I ageee “cause” usually comes in to play with extreme situations, but that’s because most people are smart enough not to just ignore their boss
