This needs more clarification. Wasn't qualified to drive but could buy an AR. I see red flags all over the place on this guy.
Uvalde-- we've got to do something
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The NRA is garbage. I do not need a lobbying organization to fight for a right that was granted to me by our creators. It's non-nogotiable. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty cut and dry.
I'm going to ask you to please explain to me, if you were King for a day, what your sensible legislation would be.
Then I will ask you to stick around and answer questions about your ideas?
you cool with that?
On the Senior walk day in my home town they walk the halls of the elementary school. Maybe he was going to ambush them at the elementary school but his plans got messed up.
heard he was a boy that wanted to be a girl, and granny didn't support it. also heard he was a senior that failed his senior year, and was butthurt about it. the latter makes more sense with clob's story, but i could see either
Well if you look at the online convo’s between him and the girl, it appears he was trying to impress her and luckily for her she apparently didn’t even really know him and indicated that in her texts back to him. Just think of the trouble she’d be in if she would have shown any interest in what he was alluding to.
Secondly the DPS did an interview yesterday and said that the suspect was not being pursued at the time of the crash. He made it sound like they were not chasing him almost like they didn’t know he’d shot his grandmother. But then I’m wondering why he crashed his truck? Did he just panic or was he being chased?
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You're statement is factually inaccurate and misguided. When I have time, I'll elaborate further.
Uvalde is far from a liberal enclave. They're a typical small town and mostly apolitical. Your points regarding the lib mindset is true, however, that's not Uvalde.
Well said and thanks for sharing your perspective. People who are quick to react and blame guns are so way off base. We don't have a gun problem. We have a people problem. We have a social problem.
Apparently, dumb ass Beto got his ass handed to him by the Uvalde Mayor.
Ted Cruz right behind Abbott telling Beto to ‘get out of here’
Good lord what was beto thinking. I believe his stunt proved he's lost his faculties much like his lord sleepy. Couldn't have helped his run for governor, simply couldn't have! Or did it?
Wow had no idea on this lead up to what happened. Confirmed? Abbot’s PC did not indicate anything like this scenario.
1) The NRA isn't anywhere near as powerful as the big left voices would lead you to believe. Their funding pales in comparison to tech, pharmaceutical, PACs, unions ect...
2) Who gives 2 chits what the NRA thinks or says
3) Please define an assault rife and then explain how it functionally differs from a common "deer hunting rifle" ........you can't.
4) other than banning belt fed systems, what would you propose as a "common sense" magazine capacity limit? (clips hold paper together) 6? 10? So adding about 2-5seconds on amateur reload time change how easy it is to shoot fish in a gun free zone? I give you a 100rd drum and I get 10x10 in a target comp....I win every time. Spray and pray is VERY inaccurate and ineffective after 2nd rd. 1:1 is much more accurate, therefore lethal....fact
5) Any 2nd amendment limiting argument is a very weak one. Read the amendment again, commas are VERY important here. Now, read supporting documents. The founders were asked in writing on account of piracy if 2a included cannons and were written back absolutely! Anything an enemy would have, the people should have as well.
We both wouldn't want rich neighbor Jimmy to have a mil grade plutonium enrichment facility in his back yard so we all agreed to "common sense restrictions" and here we are now arguing about pistol grips, bump stocks & more than 7-10rd mags.
Added note: 2a has absolutely nothing to do with hunting animals....zero.
6) We're giving billions to Ukraine to buy guns to protect themselves. Last taxpayer funded check was $40b+. That alone would have been enough to fund EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in America around $440,000 each towards security.
That's enough to hire fully trained and qualified armed security, not a rent a gate guard with 911 on speed dial.
I sure as hell would feel a shitton better knowing murderous assholes had to walk past a few guns before engaging our most innocent and precious children instead of having 30mins of defenseless target practice before good guy with gun stops it from being worse. Good guns would absolutely be wat more effective in initial deterrence and more rapid response to limit the evil instead of a damn gun free zone sign.
7) maybe let's agree that ensuring little Jimmy can be called Amy, fed puberty blockers, and take a crap in the girls room isn't quite as important and protecting ALL children's lives. The priorities are all f-ing backwards. All this indoctrination thrown at developing children is causing irreparable harm. The evidence is right in our faces if everyone would only allow themselves to see beyond political BS.
Maybe then and only then can we actually curtail school massacres.
Not typical though brother. Our mayor is independent and has imo done a good job, but yes, you might be close with yer assessment with higher population of mexican residents on the tit as far as that goes. After all, the mexican population in san antonio is probably around 75%. Nurenburg the independent has blended things fine imo as well as most mayors of past, a couple were thrown in the trash but the balance of politics in San Antone has been tolerable as long as I've been here (36 years) whether blue or red. Now enough about San Antonio. The bigger concern is our country as a whole. THIS IS IMPORTANT! Imo, sleepy is killing our country as we know it. Think about it brother. We're real close to losing our 2nd amendment rights and on top of that being forced to digital currency. What are you gonna do my man? I'll tell you what yer gonna do. Get out in that field and graze with the rest of the herd and like it. 😁
Spot on. As Justice Scalia said in the majority opinion in Heller, the constitutional right to bear arms is derivative of our basic right of self defense and advancements in weapons technology over time would not extinguish or limit that right. Remember that our 2nd amendment applies to weapons we can “keep and bear” so it’s not unlimited. Handguns, rifles, shotguns, hand held rocket launchers, etc are all the types of weapons of which our right to keep shall not be infringed. But Cannons or Gatlin guns are not in this category and can be restricted but those weapons are not what leftists are going after. So whenever a leftist is triggered after a mass shooting and screams aloud about why you need to own a rocket launcher for self defense is missing the point completely. The power or technology of the weapon is irrelevant.
Oh, he knew what he was doing. He’ll get a boost for sure. The guy is a clown.
Seems some parents are asking questions about response time, procedure etc.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...im-slams-police-failing-stop-gunman-HOUR.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...im-slams-police-failing-stop-gunman-HOUR.html
Shouldn't surprise anyone my man. The last murder was probably 20 years ago when Johnny Rodriguez tbe singer murdered his yard guy.
if you want to see a shit storm in full force , try and tell the hispanic population here in San Antonio to give up their guns....Liberal ?...
Damned shame really.....but all the guns I used toi have before they got stolen were always loaded and lots of extra amunition.......oh well....
Damned shame really.....but all the guns I used toi have before they got stolen were always loaded and lots of extra amunition.......oh well....
No, just shows him coming in what looks like a back door thru some cardboard boxes..
And like clockwork, Robert’s offensive has worked like charm. People calling it powerful and his finest hour.
Damn people are so naive and impressionable.
He will lose by an even greater %. He's a beta male.
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This was a massive f*$k up by law enforcement. Everything is on camera and as more and more stuff comes out there are going to be some major issues in the active shooter response.
It doesn't appear that anyone was looking for him until he crashed his truck? Ok, so what caused the truck crash? I looked at some google images and the street view and I think he was trying to use his truck to crash through the fence to school. The ditch is next to the fence and is hard to judge the depth from the road. It looks like he just flew off the road into the ditch through a little gap and broke the suspension. People called 911 because of the very loud crash.
The shooter then went either over a fence or through a gate to the back door of the 4th grade wing of the building. He was confronted by an armed SRO who backed off. There is video of the encounter being released and it doesn't appear like the SRO has fired a shot.
The remaining timeline hasn't been shared yet but it appears as though they waited 40 to 60 minutes for the tactical team to enter the classroom and neutralize the shooter. That was the pre Columbine play book. How do I know that. Well my first year teaching was 2000. During teacher in-service our SRO had just gone through the new active shooter training and went step by step what he would do based on shooter location. He told us the new training was to engage the shooter as quickly as possible. He told us where he would be coming from and what to expect. That didn't happen at Uvalde.
Over 120 federal law enforcement on the scene. That's great but how many of them were trained on what to do in an active school shooting? Probably none. They were using a different playbook. Isolate the shooter get everyone out then go in with the tactical team.
The other problem is no one knows who was in charge? There was probably the Sherriff, city PD, and all of the different DHS people. Who was coordinating this. We really don't know because the briefings are coming from politicians and not Law Enforcement.
It doesn't appear that anyone was looking for him until he crashed his truck? Ok, so what caused the truck crash? I looked at some google images and the street view and I think he was trying to use his truck to crash through the fence to school. The ditch is next to the fence and is hard to judge the depth from the road. It looks like he just flew off the road into the ditch through a little gap and broke the suspension. People called 911 because of the very loud crash.
The shooter then went either over a fence or through a gate to the back door of the 4th grade wing of the building. He was confronted by an armed SRO who backed off. There is video of the encounter being released and it doesn't appear like the SRO has fired a shot.
The remaining timeline hasn't been shared yet but it appears as though they waited 40 to 60 minutes for the tactical team to enter the classroom and neutralize the shooter. That was the pre Columbine play book. How do I know that. Well my first year teaching was 2000. During teacher in-service our SRO had just gone through the new active shooter training and went step by step what he would do based on shooter location. He told us the new training was to engage the shooter as quickly as possible. He told us where he would be coming from and what to expect. That didn't happen at Uvalde.
Over 120 federal law enforcement on the scene. That's great but how many of them were trained on what to do in an active school shooting? Probably none. They were using a different playbook. Isolate the shooter get everyone out then go in with the tactical team.
The other problem is no one knows who was in charge? There was probably the Sherriff, city PD, and all of the different DHS people. Who was coordinating this. We really don't know because the briefings are coming from politicians and not Law Enforcement.
The response appears to have been really screwed up. Once the investigation is completed, it may show that law enforcement and school district were afraid to engage and woefully unprepared.
