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great so then add the 10-15 degrees and you are looking at temp of around 100 on the turf at kickoff and in the 90's for most of the game

Does the field turf in Texas heat up 10-15 degrees more than the field turf in Indiana?

Because that's the only way that would matter...since NDs practice facilities are field truf as well.
(As is the field itself, as of the last couple years...which is also at the bottom of a large bowl)
 
Again, I've never said it won't be hot, or that players/coaches won't have to work to stay hydrated, or that the medical staff won't take precautions or have a plan in place.

All I've said (over and over and over again) is that statistically the game time weather in Austin won't be that different from weather that we frequently see at mid-day in Indiana...and thus it's unlikely to have a significant impact on the game.

You've gone through a lot of statistical data analysis.....to completely prove my point for me.

So now that my point has been proven/validated by your own data and analysis.............are we finally ready to let this go??
 
It takes about 2 weeks to acclimate to the heat. The biggest thing in term of heat stress is the ability to acclimate to produce more dilute sweat thereby mitigating the electrolyte loss during long term exercise. Unless ND is going to be training in 90+ degree weather for 9-14 consecutive days the acclimation won't happen which puts them at a greater risk of cramping. Saying heat won't be a factor is just ignorant. 100% at least one ND player will go to the locker room for an IV. Will it make a difference probably not but it could and it's myopic not to even consider the possibility.
 
It takes about 2 weeks to acclimate to the heat. The biggest thing in term of heat stress is the ability to acclimate to produce more dilute sweat thereby mitigating the electrolyte loss during long term exercise. Unless ND is going to be training in 90+ degree weather for 9-14 consecutive days the acclimation won't happen which puts them at a greater risk of cramping. Saying heat won't be a factor is just ignorant. 100% at least one ND player will go to the locker room for an IV. Will it make a difference probably not but it could and it's myopic not to even consider the possibility.

With one argument about weather/heat soundly defeated....we switch to a new argument.

With the game time tempature being similar to midday tempatures in Indiana...and ND having our fall camp mainly during the midday (especially during our two-a-days), I think we should be pretty well adjusted.

Again, night time (game time) tempature in Austin just isn't different enough from mid-day tempatures in Indiana for it to be a significant concern.

You might not like the fact that this is what the facts/stats support.....but your own research and analysis shows it

At this point, the debate is over. The facts have been thoroughly established (largely by you) and have completely validated everything been saying.

It's time to accept the only fact supported conclusion and move on.
 
what do you mean soundly defeated. Its most likely 20 degrees hotter during the game then when ND is going through their practice sessions.

Weather in SB in August

2015 Monthly average 80 1 day at 89+
2014 Monthly average 81 1 day at 89+
2013 Monthly average 82 2 days at 89+
2012 Monthly average 81 4 days at 89+ 13 days when in didn't even break 80
2011 Monthly average 83 3 days at 89+
2010 Monthly average 82 2 days at 89+
2009 Monthly average 83 2 days at 89 + 20 days when it didn't even break 80
2008 Monthly average 80 0 days 89+
2007 Monthly average 82 2 days 89+
2006 Monthly average 85 2 days 89 +

I mean I know I am a dumb Texan but I do have a PhD, I am currently an Exercise Science Professor and I have 20+ years, playing, teaching and coaching in Texas and 1 year coaching in Indiana, (2008). Could you use really simple terms and explain to me how the average monthly temps an approximate practice times will provide suitable exposure to allow the physiological processes to occur that lead to acclimation to prolonged exercise at temps in the 95-100 degree range.
 
Well there are a few things here.

1. It won't be prolonged exposure to 95-100 degree weather.
(Statistically)

2. It will be prolonged exposure to ~85 degree weather
(Statisitcally)

3. The Indiana averages you posted yourself show a very similar tempature set to what your own anayalsis of the game time weather in Austin.

4. You don't get to add 15 degrees for the field turf tempature in Austin but then not add that same 15 degrees for the field turf tempature in Indiana (with ND practicing in field turf as well)

5. From the average effective tempature of 89 degrees (statistically) that your own analysis predicts for kickoff...the temp will continually drop throughout the game

6. This means that most of the ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN ANALYSIS/PRECIDITIONS is Statisitcally likely to be played in and effective temp in the mid/low 80s or even the high 70s

7. With Indiana having average midday tempatures approximately in this range (statistically) ND should be well adjusted to the game time tempature in Austin


Again, your own research and analysis have completely proven and validated my point for me.

Congrats on the PH.D., but your claims have been soundly defeat...primarily by yourself

It's time for you to finally accept he statically based conclusion that you've been helping to prove here....and move on.

At this point, the "weather debate" is over and you've proven that the game
time weather in in Austin is statistically likely to be quite similar to mid-day temps in Indiana

Thanks for all the help proving my pint beyond a shadow of a doubt
 
I would love to talk football, but everyone wants to talk weather so we talked weather.

As for the two questions posed to me, I will answer them:
1. Single point analysis from 20 years ago? We gave large samples of data that were refuted, so I gave the only reference point involving ND's reaction to Texas in September. That's called EBA (Evidence Based Analysis) which comes from evidence based medicine, which says throw out what we think & just look at what has actually happened before. (I taught epidemiology at Indiana School of Medicine)

2. If you lived any time in Texas? I was stationed in Texas while in the military further south than Austin. I am well aware of the weather. It never bothered me one bit the way the weather in Florida did.

Now let's get serious about actual football.
Notre Dame is probably two scores better on the field. ND is deeper in almost every position & wears down Texas in the Austin heat.
My prediction:
ND 30 Texas 17
 
Like a buncha damn weathermen on TV, should be talking about Texas winning and whipping that ass, the weather don't mean shit, its whoever comes to play and wants to win the most, Texas by 10 and if "THE Weather" is good and the fans screaming add 3 more points, personally I hope they all get the shits at the hotel from before the game...I would stock their rooms with Corpus Christi water for nothing


Hook'em
 
Well there are a few things here.

1. It won't be prolonged exposure to 95-100 degree weather.
(Statistically)

2. It will be prolonged exposure to ~85 degree weather
(Statisitcally)

3. The Indiana averages you posted yourself show a very similar tempature set to what your own anayalsis of the game time weather in Austin.

4. You don't get to add 15 degrees for the field turf tempature in Austin but then not add that same 15 degrees for the field turf tempature in Indiana (with ND practicing in field turf as well)

5. From the average effective tempature of 89 degrees (statistically) that your own analysis predicts for kickoff...the temp will continually drop throughout the game

6. This means that most of the ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN ANALYSIS/PRECIDITIONS is Statisitcally likely to be played in and effective temp in the mid/low 80s or even the high 70s

7. With Indiana having average midday tempatures approximately in this range (statistically) ND should be well adjusted to the game time tempature in Austin


Again, your own research and analysis have completely proven and validated my point for me.

Congrats on the PH.D., but your claims have been soundly defeat...primarily by yourself

It's time for you to finally accept he statically based conclusion that you've been helping to prove here....and move on.

At this point, the "weather debate" is over and you've proven that the game
time weather in in Austin is statistically likely to be quite similar to mid-day temps in Indiana

Thanks for all the help proving my pint beyond a shadow of a doubt

Average highs in the the low 80s in SB and Average highs in the the low 90s at game time in Austin. Yup that's the same weather. If ND practices in the morning or night during 2 a days most likely practicing in 70 degree weather. Yup that's similar to what they are going to be facing in Austin. How could I be so dumb. Training in 70 degree weather does increase sensitivity to aldosterone. Oh wait it doesn't work that way it actually takes 9-14 of prolonged exercise at 90+ degree weather to start altering the composition of sweat. Please tell me when ND will be practicing in those conditions. I swear you are like the under grad who gets a question on a test wrong but waste my office hours telling me possible ways you could be right.
 
Regardless of acclimation status athletes will lose 1.5-2 L of sweat per hour. Unacclimated individuals will excrete approximately 90 mmol/L of Na and 65 mmol/L of Cl-. Acclimated individuals will secrete about 35 mmol/L of Na and 30 mmol/L of Cl-. Most guys should be able to absorb enough Na and Cl- if they are drinking electrolyte solutions every 15 minutes. ND will not be working out in temps that lead to the adaption that causes increased retention of electrolytes. Will it make a difference. For most it won't matter one bit as long as they are drinking. For some it will matter but that's what IVs are for. There is a very slim chance that even with IVs one or two guys might get taken out by the heat but thats doubtful.

The biggest problem is the amount of snaps that the twos are going to have to take. In a cooler game a 2 might take 5-10 snaps where in this game 15-20 snaps. This hurts us way more than ND especially DT and LB.
 
Like a buncha damn weathermen on TV, should be talking about Texas winning and whipping that ass, the weather don't mean shit, its whoever comes to play and wants to win the most, Texas by 10 and if "THE Weather" is good and the fans screaming add 3 more points, personally I hope they all get the shits at the hotel from before the game...I would stock their rooms with Corpus Christi water for nothing


Hook'em

Special spring water from Corpus Christi in a nice bottle with a nice label would be nice complementary water from the hotel.

Hook 'Em
 
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Special spring water from Corpus Christi in a nice bottle with a nice label would be nice complementary water from the hotel.

Hook 'Em

yeah my family and I took a trip to mustang island. I didn't drink the water just took a shower in the hotel to wash off the sand and my wife and I ended up getting sick. fun times.
 
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yeah my family and I took a trip to mustang island. I didn't drink the water just took a shower in the hotel to wash off the sand and my wife and I ended up getting sick. fun times.

Sorry to hear that. Will definitely be staying away for a long time. Going there once was good enough for me.
 
We went last weekend. When did they put chlorine in the water?

By the way if this game was played in the coastal bend or golden triangle we would have a huge advantage. I don't know how you guys deal with that humidity.
 
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Average highs in the the low 80s in SB and Average highs in the the low 90s at game time in Austin. Yup that's the same weather. If ND practices in the morning or night during 2 a days most likely practicing in 70 degree weather. Yup that's similar to what they are going to be facing in Austin. How could I be so dumb. Training in 70 degree weather does increase sensitivity to aldosterone. Oh wait it doesn't work that way it actually takes 9-14 of prolonged exercise at 90+ degree weather to start altering the composition of sweat. Please tell me when ND will be practicing in those conditions. I swear you are like the under grad who gets a question on a test wrong but waste my office hours telling me possible ways you could be right.

It's historical that you think ND will be practicing in the 70's and/or that you think the majority of the game will be played in the 90's after all of that discussion.

I can see why you're stuck in exercise "science" and teaching at tier 4 schools, if this is your ability to process information.

The 5-10 degree difference between NDs practice temp and likely game temp is what's causin you to go off on this temper tantrum...even after you've proven yourself wrong.

I'm sorry buddy, but you've literally proven yourself wrong.

Like I've said the whole time, the game time temp won't be that different than practice temps at ND
(High 80s instead of low 80s)

It's hysterical to watch you stomp your feet in denial here though!!
 
Regardless of acclimation status athletes will lose 1.5-2 L of sweat per hour. Unacclimated individuals will excrete approximately 90 mmol/L of Na and 65 mmol/L of Cl-. Acclimated individuals will secrete about 35 mmol/L of Na and 30 mmol/L of Cl-. Most guys should be able to absorb enough Na and Cl- if they are drinking electrolyte solutions every 15 minutes. ND will not be working out in temps that lead to the adaption that causes increased retention of electrolytes. Will it make a difference. For most it won't matter one bit as long as they are drinking. For some it will matter but that's what IVs are for. There is a very slim chance that even with IVs one or two guys might get taken out by the heat but thats doubtful.

The biggest problem is the amount of snaps that the twos are going to have to take. In a cooler game a 2 might take 5-10 snaps where in this game 15-20 snaps. This hurts us way more than ND especially DT and LB.

Yes, I'm sure that the 5 degree difference from what the majority of the game will be played in relative to the average mid day temps in Indiana will really affect acclimation.

Let's get a link to the scholarly article noting the major affect that 5 degrees has on the electrolyte excretion by athletes

I can't wait to see this...
 
So nobody has a score prediction?

In South Bend Weather, ND 38 Texas 3 (I'm cheating)
In Austin Weather ND 30 Texas 17

I gave my score prediction for both.
Anybody else?
 
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In South Bend Weather, ND 38 Texas 3 (I'm cheating)
In Austin Weather ND 30 Texas 17

I gave my score prediction for both.
Anybody else?

You ND fans are real cocky aren't you? Game will be closer then you think and our offense will do better then last. We have more to lose this season then you guys. Our guys will come out hungry to eat!

31-24 Texas
 
You ND fans are real cocky aren't you? Game will be closer then you think and our offense will do better then last. We have more to lose this season then you guys. Our guys will come out hungry to eat!

31-24 Texas

How was that score prediction cocky?

ND brings back a lot of offense & I still predicted less points than last year.

You are starting a freshman QB & I still predicted two TDs more than last year for you.

I basically predicted the Vegas line of +10 ( I said +13).

I think that is a fair prediction?
 
Yeah, you seem like a joy to grab a beer with.

I tried to move the conversion on a long time ago, and repeatedly afterwards.

It's not my fault that you and speedstrength demanded to be proven wrong each and every time (frequently by yourselves)

As I've said, I'm sick of discussion the weather and would much rather switch the focus back back to football.

But if others demand to continue the weather discussion ...that's just the way it is, I guess
 
On offense Notre Dame lost their top 3 WR's, so I'll take our DB's in that match-up, because we have some pretty good CB's. Notre Dame will also break in a new starter at RB. Josh Adams did look good as a back-up, but we have Malik Jefferson and Anthony Wheeler at LB, so I'm not concerned...those boys are monsters. To add to that, I doubt Adams will duplicate his average yards per carry as a starter, because Notre Dame will have a huge drop off on the OL, with the departures of Stanley and Martin. We won't have a very good DL, but they will be decent, and I don't see anything on Notre Dame's OL, that will allow them to blow us off the ball, and take advantage of that situation. Notre Dame does have talent at QB, but who are his WR's. Maybe y'all know something I don't, because I think a few freshmen are going to show out for Texas, so I don't want to be a hypocrite here. But I don't see it.

With Sheldon Day gone, who is going to anchor that line for Notre Dame? You guys return two starters on the DL, and we are going to have a pretty good OL, even with a freshman at center. I don't see the match-up in the trenches, that are in Notre Dame's favor. At best, I'll call it a push. Then there is LB, where Notre Dame will be breaking in three new starters, no more Jaylon Smith. I look forward to Warren and Foreman giving them boys the blues. Notre Dame returns two starters in the secondary, but I think they are coming back from injuries. Regardless of that, I don't see those guys locking up Burt and Johnson. The NFL is already salivating over them. Now Texas does have a freshman QB, and I get that people have a wait and see approach with him. But I see a young, talented, mature QB, that knows the offense, and he is very accurate. He can get the ball into the hands of our playmakers, and we've been missing that key component. If Notre Dame had a lot of talent returning on defense, it would concern me, but they don't.

It's not that I think Texas has arrived, but I do believe that Notre Dame is overrated. Pay attention to detail fellas, Notre Dame is not that squad...Texas wins 30-23.
 
On offense Notre Dame lost their top 3 WR's, so I'll take our DB's in that match-up, because we have some pretty good CB's. Notre Dame will also break in a new starter at RB. Josh Adams did look good as a back-up, but we have Malik Jefferson and Anthony Wheeler at LB, so I'm not concerned...those boys are monsters. To add to that, I doubt Adams will duplicate his average yards per carry as a starter, because Notre Dame will have a huge drop off on the OL, with the departures of Stanley and Martin. We won't have a very good DL, but they will be decent, and I don't see anything on Notre Dame's OL, that will allow them to blow us off the ball, and take advantage of that situation. Notre Dame does have talent at QB, but who are his WR's. Maybe y'all know something I don't, because I think a few freshmen are going to show out for Texas, so I don't want to be a hypocrite here. But I don't see it.

With Sheldon Day gone, who is going to anchor that line for Notre Dame? You guys return two starters on the DL, and we are going to have a pretty good OL, even with a freshman at center. I don't see the match-up in the trenches, that are in Notre Dame's favor. At best, I'll call it a push. Then there is LB, where Notre Dame will be breaking in three new starters, no more Jaylon Smith. I look forward to Warren and Foreman giving them boys the blues. Notre Dame returns two starters in the secondary, but I think they are coming back from injuries. Regardless of that, I don't see those guys locking up Burt and Johnson. The NFL is already salivating over them. Now Texas does have a freshman QB, and I get that people have a wait and see approach with him. But I see a young, talented, mature QB, that knows the offense, and he is very accurate. He can get the ball into the hands of our playmakers, and we've been missing that key component. If Notre Dame had a lot of talent returning on defense, it would concern me, but they don't.

It's not that I think Texas has arrived, but I do believe that Notre Dame is overrated. Pay attention to detail fellas, Notre Dame is not that squad...Texas wins 30-23.

A few quick updates for you:

1. We actually return our starting RB (Folston) who tore his ACL on his 3rd carry against Texas last year. He'll probably be the starter again (looked solid in the spring) with Adams getting a lot of carries in rotation.
Adams set the Frosh record for rushing at ND, at 7+ YPC.
I know Texas is high on their new RBs, but NDs RBs are actually meow proven (more returning carries, yards, TDs, games, etc.) and ND is equally excited about them

2. For WRs, ND is in a similar place to Texas. Our leading returning WR is Torii Hunter, who was probably our "starter" in the slot more often than Carlisle last year. He returns with about the same stats as Burt.
For the rest of the of the WRs, we feel a lot like you do about Johnson/Foreman. We have a 6'5" STUD sophomore who led all receivers in the spring and the coaches have been raving about, as well as about 6 other 4* guys that were hearing really good things on.
Every team likes their players better, but most ND fans (including me) wouldn't even consider trading our WR vote for Texas's.

3. This is about as deep and talented as ND has been at TE since we had Eifert (1st Round), Rudolph (2nd Round), and Koyack (7th Round) on the team at once.
That position will make A LOT of plays for us this year.

4. Despite losing Stanley and Martin on the OL, the word out of spring practice is that we've upgraded the run blocking on our OL. Those two were strong pass blockers (especially Stanley), but neither wasoverly physical or a dominant run blocker.
The way we've stock piled talent on the OL is matched only by Bama and Ohio State

5. We actually retun 3-4 starters on the DL, depending on how you want to count "starters". That's partially due to getting our staring NT back from a knee injury that cost him the 2015 season.
We should be a much stronger DL, as far as playing the run is concerned. It's the pass rush that's our main issue.

6. Returning NT Jarron Jones will likely be the anchor of the DL, after missing 2015 with an injury. Along with 3rd year start Isaac Rochell and returning starter at DT Jerry Tillery (who is probably
Our most physically talented DL)

7. We actually only have 2 "new starters" at LB, as James Oneaulu started last year and returns. Replacing Jaylon will en tough, no question about it. However, out 2015 MLB (Joe Schmidt) graded out as the 3rd worst FBS LB my PFF and will be replaced by a kid who earned Frosh All-American honors (same as Vage and Williams
For Texas) in 2014 when replacing Schmidt after an injury. And we have a slew of 5*/4* studs vying for the open role.
Overall, pretty much all ND fans expect improvement at LB.

8. We return 2 true "starters" at DB (CB Cole Luke and FS Max Redfield)...and neither one is coming off an injury. We additionally return 2 more players who could be termed "starters" as the both were set to start in 2015 prior to ACL injuries (SS Drue Tranquil and CB Shaun Crawford). Both were healthy and played in the spring game.

9. Overall, or DBs should be sick against the run game, but our Safeties could definitely struggle in coverage (and aren't a deep group at all)

10. It's also with with noting that we return all significant players from our Special Teams (PK, P, KR, PR, LS, H) while coming off a pretty strong Special Teams year....and most of those roles were True Frosh in 2015


The 5-6 starters that ND has coming back from injuries that cost them most/all of 2015 have a pretty significant impact on the 2016 roster
 
A few quick updates for you:

1. We actually return our starting RB (Folston) who tore his ACL on his 3rd carry against Texas last year. He'll probably be the starter again (looked solid in the spring) with Adams getting a lot of carries in rotation.
Adams set the Frosh record for rushing at ND, at 7+ YPC.
I know Texas is high on their new RBs, but NDs RBs are actually meow proven (more returning carries, yards, TDs, games, etc.) and ND is equally excited about them

2. For WRs, ND is in a similar place to Texas. Our leading returning WR is Torii Hunter, who was probably our "starter" in the slot more often than Carlisle last year. He returns with about the same stats as Burt.
For the rest of the of the WRs, we feel a lot like you do about Johnson/Foreman. We have a 6'5" STUD sophomore who led all receivers in the spring and the coaches have been raving about, as well as about 6 other 4* guys that were hearing really good things on.
Every team likes their players better, but most ND fans (including me) wouldn't even consider trading our WR vote for Texas's.

3. This is about as deep and talented as ND has been at TE since we had Eifert (1st Round), Rudolph (2nd Round), and Koyack (7th Round) on the team at once.
That position will make A LOT of plays for us this year.

4. Despite losing Stanley and Martin on the OL, the word out of spring practice is that we've upgraded the run blocking on our OL. Those two were strong pass blockers (especially Stanley), but neither wasoverly physical or a dominant run blocker.
The way we've stock piled talent on the OL is matched only by Bama and Ohio State

5. We actually retun 3-4 starters on the DL, depending on how you want to count "starters". That's partially due to getting our staring NT back from a knee injury that cost him the 2015 season.
We should be a much stronger DL, as far as playing the run is concerned. It's the pass rush that's our main issue.

6. Returning NT Jarron Jones will likely be the anchor of the DL, after missing 2015 with an injury. Along with 3rd year start Isaac Rochell and returning starter at DT Jerry Tillery (who is probably
Our most physically talented DL)

7. We actually only have 2 "new starters" at LB, as James Oneaulu started last year and returns. Replacing Jaylon will en tough, no question about it. However, out 2015 MLB (Joe Schmidt) graded out as the 3rd worst FBS LB my PFF and will be replaced by a kid who earned Frosh All-American honors (same as Vage and Williams
For Texas) in 2014 when replacing Schmidt after an injury. And we have a slew of 5*/4* studs vying for the open role.
Overall, pretty much all ND fans expect improvement at LB.

8. We return 2 true "starters" at DB (CB Cole Luke and FS Max Redfield)...and neither one is coming off an injury. We additionally return 2 more players who could be termed "starters" as the both were set to start in 2015 prior to ACL injuries (SS Drue Tranquil and CB Shaun Crawford). Both were healthy and played in the spring game.

9. Overall, or DBs should be sick against the run game, but our Safeties could definitely struggle in coverage (and aren't a deep group at all)

10. It's also with with noting that we return all significant players from our Special Teams (PK, P, KR, PR, LS, H) while coming off a pretty strong Special Teams year....and most of those roles were True Frosh in 2015


The 5-6 starters that ND has coming back from injuries that cost them most/all of 2015 have a pretty significant impact on the 2016 roster

Yeah, it's hard to use the term "starter" with ND from last year. We had 12 players hurt last year that were starters at some point, 8 of them back, but most not considered "returning starters." (Jones, Folston, Crawford, Tranquil, Smythe, Bars, St. Brown...)

The only thing good that comes out of having so many starters hurt is that you have so many players who get experienced.

The two places everyone thinks we are going to suffer, the WR OLine, seem to be the two squads the coaches are raving about. At WR St. Brown was getting reps as a true freshman before injury last year & Hunter was a starter before lingering injuries. They both look great, along with absolute studs at TE. The Oline overall looks better than last year at run blocking, & many seem to think McGlinchy will be the first OT drafted along with two other Sophs that will get drafted in two years.

The D is the question mark. The DLine is easily the strength with 3 monsters back, Jones, Rochelle & Tillery. Dabs seem solid with Cole back & Crawford back from injury. But down the middle is confusing? The two most highly celebrated 5* players on ND coming in as both top 10 players nationally, Morgan & Redfield, need to get their minds in it at LB & Safety.

QB, RB, & special teams I would put against anybody nationally.
 
A few quick updates for you:

1. We actually return our starting RB (Folston) who tore his ACL on his 3rd carry against Texas last year. He'll probably be the starter again (looked solid in the spring) with Adams getting a lot of carries in rotation.
Adams set the Frosh record for rushing at ND, at 7+ YPC.
I know Texas is high on their new RBs, but NDs RBs are actually meow proven (more returning carries, yards, TDs, games, etc.) and ND is equally excited about them

More carries mean nothing, especially when I saw what Warren and Foreman did once they got the carries. AND our RB's don't play against each other, which is why I broke it down like I did. Who are the LB's that will be trying to stop Warren and Foreman, we have Malik and Wheeler on the other side of the ball. If you want to speak on what people are saying out of spring practice, then those boys are monsters.
You added some fluff here, I'll give you that.

2. For WRs, ND is in a similar place to Texas. Our leading returning WR is Torii Hunter, who was probably our "starter" in the slot more often than Carlisle last year. He returns with about the same stats as Burt.
For the rest of the of the WRs, we feel a lot like you do about Johnson/Foreman. We have a 6'5" STUD sophomore who led all receivers in the spring and the coaches have been raving about, as well as about 6 other 4* guys that were hearing really good things on.
Every team likes their players better, but most ND fans (including me) wouldn't even consider trading our WR vote for Texas's.

I don't know what a probably starter is, but that dog don't hunt. And nothing you said about your WR's, changes anything that I said before. So umm, I still see them in the same boat. We have proven talent at CB, Notre Dame can't say that about their WR's. I'll say this again, our WR's don't play each other. I've never understood that kind of breakdown. Advantage Texas.

3. This is about as deep and talented as ND has been at TE since we had Eifert (1st Round), Rudolph (2nd Round), and Koyack (7th Round) on the team at once.
That position will make A LOT of plays for us this year.

Thumbs up.

4. Despite losing Stanley and Martin on the OL, the word out of spring practice is that we've upgraded the run blocking on our OL. Those two were strong pass blockers (especially Stanley), but neither wasoverly physical or a dominant run blocker.
The way we've stock piled talent on the OL is matched only by Bama and Ohio State

You don't lose those two and assume an upgrade. I'm not buying.

5. We actually retun 3-4 starters on the DL, depending on how you want to count "starters". That's partially due to getting our staring NT back from a knee injury that cost him the 2015 season.
We should be a much stronger DL, as far as playing the run is concerned. It's the pass rush that's our main issue.

Here we go again, with the depends on how you want to count it talk. I see a trend. If you have no pass rush, it's murder she wrote. This offense will be harder for Notre Dame to defend.

6. Returning NT Jarron Jones will likely be the anchor of the DL, after missing 2015 with an injury. Along with 3rd year start Isaac Rochell and returning starter at DT Jerry Tillery (who is probably
Our most physically talented DL)

Same ole same, nothing to see here.

7. We actually only have 2 "new starters" at LB, as James Oneaulu started last year and returns. Replacing Jaylon will en tough, no question about it. However, out 2015 MLB (Joe Schmidt) graded out as the 3rd worst FBS LB my PFF and will be replaced by a kid who earned Frosh All-American honors (same as Vage and Williams
For Texas) in 2014 when replacing Schmidt after an injury. And we have a slew of 5*/4* studs vying for the open role.
Overall, pretty much all ND fans expect improvement at LB.

You lose Jaylon Smith, bring back nothing impressive at LB, and you expect improvement. I laughed.

8. We return 2 true "starters" at DB (CB Cole Luke and FS Max Redfield)...and neither one is coming off an injury. We additionally return 2 more players who could be termed "starters" as the both were set to start in 2015 prior to ACL injuries (SS Drue Tranquil and CB Shaun Crawford). Both were healthy and played in the spring game.

So nothing new here, except for being injury free. Again, it changes nothing I said before.

9. Overall, or DBs should be sick against the run game, but our Safeties could definitely struggle in coverage (and aren't a deep group at all)

Against what run, against Warren and Foreman, haha...good luck with that. And if they are weak against the deep ball, my oh my. Because as you said, word out of spring practice is that Shane, Collins, and Burt are going to be a problem.


10. It's also with with noting that we return all significant players from our Special Teams (PK, P, KR, PR, LS, H) while coming off a pretty strong Special Teams year....and most of those roles were True Frosh in 2015


The 5-6 starters that ND has coming back from injuries that cost them most/all of 2015 have a pretty significant impact on the 2016 roster

Texas 30-23. You added nothing significant, that would change my mind.
 
A few quick updates for you:

1. We actually return our starting RB (Folston) who tore his ACL on his 3rd carry against Texas last year. He'll probably be the starter again (looked solid in the spring) with Adams getting a lot of carries in rotation.
Adams set the Frosh record for rushing at ND, at 7+ YPC.
I know Texas is high on their new RBs, but NDs RBs are actually meow proven (more returning carries, yards, TDs, games, etc.) and ND is equally excited about them

More carries mean nothing, especially when I saw what Warren and Foreman did once they got the carries. AND our RB's don't play against each other, which is why I broke it down like I did. Who are the LB's that will be trying to stop Warren and Foreman, we have Malik and Wheeler on the other side of the ball. If you want to speak on what people are saying out of spring practice, then those boys are monsters.
You added some fluff here, I'll give you that.

2. For WRs, ND is in a similar place to Texas. Our leading returning WR is Torii Hunter, who was probably our "starter" in the slot more often than Carlisle last year. He returns with about the same stats as Burt.
For the rest of the of the WRs, we feel a lot like you do about Johnson/Foreman. We have a 6'5" STUD sophomore who led all receivers in the spring and the coaches have been raving about, as well as about 6 other 4* guys that were hearing really good things on.
Every team likes their players better, but most ND fans (including me) wouldn't even consider trading our WR vote for Texas's.

I don't know what a probably starter is, but that dog don't hunt. And nothing you said about your WR's, changes anything that I said before. So umm, I still see them in the same boat. We have proven talent at CB, Notre Dame can't say that about their WR's. I'll say this again, our WR's don't play each other. I've never understood that kind of breakdown. Advantage Texas.

3. This is about as deep and talented as ND has been at TE since we had Eifert (1st Round), Rudolph (2nd Round), and Koyack (7th Round) on the team at once.
That position will make A LOT of plays for us this year.

Thumbs up.

4. Despite losing Stanley and Martin on the OL, the word out of spring practice is that we've upgraded the run blocking on our OL. Those two were strong pass blockers (especially Stanley), but neither wasoverly physical or a dominant run blocker.
The way we've stock piled talent on the OL is matched only by Bama and Ohio State

You don't lose those two and assume an upgrade. I'm not buying.

5. We actually retun 3-4 starters on the DL, depending on how you want to count "starters". That's partially due to getting our staring NT back from a knee injury that cost him the 2015 season.
We should be a much stronger DL, as far as playing the run is concerned. It's the pass rush that's our main issue.

Here we go again, with the depends on how you want to count it talk. I see a trend. If you have no pass rush, it's murder she wrote. This offense will be harder for Notre Dame to defend.

6. Returning NT Jarron Jones will likely be the anchor of the DL, after missing 2015 with an injury. Along with 3rd year start Isaac Rochell and returning starter at DT Jerry Tillery (who is probably
Our most physically talented DL)

Same ole same, nothing to see here.

7. We actually only have 2 "new starters" at LB, as James Oneaulu started last year and returns. Replacing Jaylon will en tough, no question about it. However, out 2015 MLB (Joe Schmidt) graded out as the 3rd worst FBS LB my PFF and will be replaced by a kid who earned Frosh All-American honors (same as Vage and Williams
For Texas) in 2014 when replacing Schmidt after an injury. And we have a slew of 5*/4* studs vying for the open role.
Overall, pretty much all ND fans expect improvement at LB.

You lose Jaylon Smith, bring back nothing impressive at LB, and you expect improvement. I laughed.

8. We return 2 true "starters" at DB (CB Cole Luke and FS Max Redfield)...and neither one is coming off an injury. We additionally return 2 more players who could be termed "starters" as the both were set to start in 2015 prior to ACL injuries (SS Drue Tranquil and CB Shaun Crawford). Both were healthy and played in the spring game.

So nothing new here, except for being injury free. Again, it changes nothing I said before.

9. Overall, or DBs should be sick against the run game, but our Safeties could definitely struggle in coverage (and aren't a deep group at all)

Against what run, against Warren and Foreman, haha...good luck with that. And if they are weak against the deep ball, my oh my. Because as you said, word out of spring practice is that Shane, Collins, and Burt are going to be a problem.


10. It's also with with noting that we return all significant players from our Special Teams (PK, P, KR, PR, LS, H) while coming off a pretty strong Special Teams year....and most of those roles were True Frosh in 2015


The 5-6 starters that ND has coming back from injuries that cost them most/all of 2015 have a pretty significant impact on the 2016 roster

Texas 30-23. You added nothing significant, that would change my mind.

I'm just curious what changes on Texas/ND makes you think of a +42 point turn around from last year?
No offense, but ND doesn't need to change at all.
Texas needs to change a lot, about five touchdowns worth.

I will say that NDs line actually will be overall better than last year, 5-7 deep opposed to two standouts. Stanley struggled in the run game. Martin is the bigger loss, but he almost lost his job in the spring last year to his backup who is back. Having seven guys back who are experienced is great.

I'm not a ND coach, but I wouldn't be surprised if this ND team lined up with two tight ends (our strength), two large WRs (Hunter & St. Brown), Kizer, & rotate Folston & Adams in the backfield & just ran behind the big Oline & passed short to TEs & WRs.
 
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