Vegas has ND -10 over UT at home.

[Texxxxas]

Why would average star ranking matter?

According to Rivals, NDs class was better than Texas's class in both of those years.

So Rivals feels that we added more talent than Texas in the:
2016 class
2015 class
2014 class
2013 class

So yes, according to Rivals, we've outrecruited you every year that matters to his game and have added more talent.

...If you were smart, you would have looked at those numbers right away, and knew the average was wrong. You're not as smart as you claim to be...and I was waiting on you clowns to go there.

Per Rivals 2015:

Texas- 29 recruits...5 stars-1, 4 stars-14, 3 stars-12
ND- 24 recruits...5 stars-0, 4 stars-13, 3 stars-11

A smart person would look at that right away, and know that something is incorrect. But smart you're not. They made a mistake with the number of Texas recruits, as it is a sum of 27, not 29. Now do the math clown. Texas has the higher average. So that would be how Texas is higher. We had more recruits, and more quality.

And in 2016, Texas had the higher average, and more recruits, I don't know what the hell Rivals was doing there, but you can't be that stupid, to not see that. So I say again, Texas had the better classes in 2015 and 2016.

Did Notre Dame beat a top 25 team, in the power 5 conferences last season, with that so called talent? If not, who cares, y'all are overrated. Oh, did you say no. Haha, we are not buying the hype fella.

 

[Texxxxas]

You could have that opinion, if you're talking about 2015 results.

Are we trying to compare and and Texas in 2015?
I'm guessing that's not a road you want to keep going down...

Not sure how relevant that is to 2016 though...

If it's not relevant to 2016, then you idiots should stop talking about beating Texas last season. It's you clowns that keep talking about the gap from last year, so yes, I do want to go there. So you guessed wrong again, but you're not to smart, so I get it. I'm not in denial, you clowns are. You're puffing your chest out about nothing. You didn't beat any team in a power 5 conference, that was ranked in the top 25, and you return half your starters...overrated.

 

[TheDecker]

Yes I'm still laughing, because stupid still has you stuck on it. I made a valid point, and as you clowns are puffing our chest out, as if y'all are the shit. Y'all have done nothing to act that way, as y'all beat no one worth mentioning. You're overrated, and I can post several articles from last year that agree with me. We are not in denial, you are Spanky. Big difference there.

I'm confused here.

You're going to post several articles from last year about how ND is overrated in 2016?

It you don't think 2015 ND is good enough to stand up to 2015 Texas??
(BecuAse I could post a few articles that might hurt your argument there just a touch...)

 

[Texxxxas]

I'm confused here.

You're going to post several articles from last year about how ND is overrated in 2016?

It you don't think 2015 ND is good enough to stand up to 2015 Texas??
(BecuAse I could post a few articles that might hurt your argument there just a touch...)

Again, I'm not in denial, Notre Dame fans are. Big difference, Spanky.

 

[TheDecker]

...If you were smart, you would have looked at those numbers right away, and knew the average was wrong. You're not as smart as you claim to be...and I was waiting on you clowns to go there.

Per Rivals 2015:

Texas- 29 recruits...5 stars-1, 4 stars-14, 3 stars-12
ND- 24 recruits...5 stars-0, 4 stars-13, 3 stars-11

A smart person would look at that right away, and know that something is incorrect. But smart you're not. They made a mistake with the number of Texas recruits, as it is a sum of 27, not 29. Now do the math clown. Texas has the higher average. So that would be how Texas is higher. We had more recruits, and more quality.

And in 2016, Texas had the higher average, and more recruits, I don't know what the hell Rivals was doing there, but you can't be that stupid, to not see that. So I say again, Texas had the better classes in 2015 and 2016.

Did Notre Dame beat a top 25 team, in the power 5 conferences last season, with that so called talent? If not, who cares, y'all are overrated. Oh, did you say no. Haha, we are not buying the hype fella.

Wow.

You might not want to make any comments about the intelligence of others...

You realize the massive variable that exist within 3* and 4* rankings...and that those have MASSIVE impacts on class ranking...right?

You may want to read the FAQ that's linked on every Rivals site...it would explain a lot to you.

And yes, it was all correctly calculated.

Read up buddy, then you'll understand why (according to Rivals):
ND had a better class in 2016
ND had a better class in 2015
ND had a better class in 2014
ND had a better class in 2013

Educate yourself before you try to call anyone else out, little buddy

 

[TheDecker]

If it's not relevant to 2016, then you idiots should stop talking about beating Texas last season. It's you clowns that keep talking about the gap from last year, so yes, I do want to go there. So you guessed wrong again, but you're not to smart, so I get it. I'm not in denial, you clowns are. You're puffing your chest out about nothing. You didn't beat any team in a power 5 conference, that was ranked in the top 25, and you return half your starters...overrated.

I haven't brought up 2015 at all.

But the jumping off point of both our teams and then the improvement/loss of each team would be relevant from there.

But it's interesting that you focus on only 1 star (Wins over Top25 P5 Teams) instead of something like wins/losses, scoring, recruiting rankings, etc....or better yet a combo of all of them

I wonder why that is?
It can't be that you're trying to get it to fit an agenda....

 

[Texxxxas]

Wow.

You might not want to make any comments about the intelligence of others...

You realize the massive variable that exist within 3* and 4* rankings...and that those have MASSIVE impacts on class ranking...right?

You may want to read the FAQ that's linked on every Rivals site...it would explain a lot to you.

And yes, it was all correctly calculated.


Educate yourself before you try to call anyone else out, little buddy

So 14+12+1=29. No, it equals 27, they made a mistake, when doing the average. It's almost like you're being stupid on purpose. We had more recruits and a higher average. I'm thinking your notre dame education is overrated, which is why I never confuse education with intelligence. I can't fix your kind of stupid, Boy George.

 

[Texxxxas]

I haven't brought up 2015 at all.

But the jumping off point of both our teams and then the improvement/loss of each team would be relevant from there.

But it's interesting that you focus on only 1 star (Wins over Top25 P5 Teams) instead of something like wins/losses, scoring, recruiting rankings, etc....or better yet a combo of all of them

I wonder why that is?
It can't be that you're trying to get it to fit an agenda....

I have looked at the combo of all the above, notre dame is overrated. You have had an agenda also spanky, stop being a hypocrite. You sure as hell don't get to decide, on how I view things. It's your ownfault for replying to comments that I made directly to other notre dame fans, based on what they said about a gap from 2015 to now. Do you really not see the fallacy in what you said...of course you don't. If you didn't want to be a part of it, shut the f!@# up and stop crying about it. Man/Woman you're trying to hard, to be something you're not.

 

[Texxxxas]

I'm thinking that maybe I should start talking about the weather also. It's a waste of time, talking football with these clowns.

 

[TheDecker]

Again, I'm not in denial, Notre Dame fans are. Big difference, Spanky.

Interesting...

You seem very capable of discussing the relative merits of these teams using a fact based approach, able to handle a back and forth, people disagreeing with you, etc.

Tell me when you're ready to try again

I'll give you a 2nd chance

 

[TheDecker]

So 14+12+1=29. No, it equals 27, they made a mistake, when doing the average. It's almost like you're being stupid on purpose. We had more recruits and a higher average. I'm thinking your notre dame education is overrated, which is why I never confuse education with intelligence. I can't fix your kind of stupid, Boy George.

Wow, just wow.

Keep trying buddy

I'm sure you'll figure out why NDs class was (correctly) ranked high by Rivals, according to their formulas soon

Frankly, I'm embarrassed for you at this point.

And yea, according to Rivals, ND had a better class in:
2016
2015
2014
2013

So ND has more talent in every class that is making up the 2016 game

Just mull that over

 

[Scholz]

Why does that kind of discussion make you so angry?

It's not the discussion I have disdain for, simply condescending blowhards. Give us your educational credentials again now.

Look, football is blocking and tackling. It'll come down to that, all of your novellas detailing the sh*t out of how ND is better in every conceivable way notwithstanding.

 

[TheDecker]

I have looked at the combo of all the above, notre dame is overrated. You have had an agenda also spanky, stop being a hypocrite. You sure as hell don't get to decide, on how I view things. It's your ownfault for replying to comments that I made directly to other notre dame fans, based on what they said about a gap from 2015 to now. Do you really not see the fallacy in what you said...of course you don't. If you didn't want to be a part of it, shut the f!@# up and stop crying about it. Man/Woman you're trying to hard, to be something you're not.

What does this even mean?

So how are you looking at recruiting rankings (advantage ND), player development (advantage ND), and CFB production (advantage ND) and deciding that it's advantage Texas??!

Care to try to explain in a rational, fact based way?

 

[Texxxxas]

Interesting...

You seem very capable of discussing the relative merits of these teams using a fact based approach, able to handle a back and forth, people disagreeing with you, etc.

Tell me when you're ready to try again

I'll give you a 2nd chance

Kill yourself, that is the only way to fix yourself, I gave you several chances to fix your stupid.

 

[Texxxxas]

Wow, just wow.

Keep trying buddy

I'm sure you'll figure out why NDs class was (correctly) ranked high by Rivals, according to their formulas soon

Frankly, I'm embarrassed for you at this point.

And yea, according to Rivals, ND had a better class in:
2016
2015
2014
2013

So ND has more talent in every class that is making up the 2016 game

Just mull that over

Be embarrassed for yourself, then kill yourself, it's the only way.

 

[Scholz]

So how are you looking at recruiting rankings (advantage ND), player development (advantage ND), and CFB production (advantage ND) and deciding that it's advantage Texas??!

But this isn't you saying Texas has no chance? Liar.

 

[TheDecker]

It's not the discussion I have disdain for, simply condescending blowhards. Give us your educational credentials again now.

Look, football is blocking and tackling. It'll come down to that, all of your novellas detailing the sh*t out of how ND is better in every conceivable way notwithstanding.

That's usually what happens when you call someone a nerd.

And you don't like discussing football on a football message board?

 

[RoboCocks21]

What does 2002 recruiting have to do with our game this year?
How many 2002 players are still on your team?

According to Rivals (the site were on) Notre Dame our recruited Texas in:
2016
2015
2014
2013

So every class that make up the teams that will play in the 2016 class is a talent advantage for ND...according to Rivals.

So it's hard to see how every "new" player on Texas's depth chart is "a rare talent" while every new player on NDs is "nothing scary"

You understand I used the same site as you and another one at that and you still think you guys out recruited us....afraid to use another site huh? Oh just because we are on this rivals site....man get the f*** atta here with that bull$***. And many of us on this board stop using this rivals site for recruiting because of the poor job they have done. Oh yeah way to ignore other facts I have presented for you as well.

 

[Scholz]

That's usually what happens when you call someone a nerd.

Looks like I struck a nerve. Bet you were beaten up a lot.

I like football. I like talking about it. I just don't like you, lying nerd.

 

[TheDecker]

But this isn't you saying Texas has no chance? Liar.

No, not at all.

ND should be favored, due largely to those factors , as well as a couple others.

But there are several match ups and areas that Texas coukd attack to win the game...plus the gap isn't so big that it can't possibly be overcome.

That's actually the kind of thing I thought would be fun to talk about (on a football message board)

Match ups Texas coukd attack, match ups ND coukd attack, things to look for, etc.

Apparently that's a bit too mature for the folks in this thread

 

[Texxxxas]

Texas DB's vs Notre Dame WR/TE-Advantage Texas as notre dame returns no starters at WR.
Texas DL vs notre dame OL-push, both teams are nothing special, and are replacing a lot.
Texas LB vs notre dame RB- Texas

Texas WR's vs Notre dame DB's- Texas
Texas RB vs notre dame LB's- Texas, as notre dame is replacing 3 starters, and we have Malik and Wheeler at LB
Texas OL vs notre dame DL-Texas, notre dame replaces their best player, with nothing special on the DL

Notre Dame has the better QB, but he has no proven WR's to throw to. Texas will have a new QB (but as decker said, word out of practice is the kid can ball), a new offense, and Notre Dame has no film to study.

Texas wins. Notre Dame is overrated.

 

[RoboCocks21]

No, not at all.

ND should be favored, due largely to those factors , as well as a couple others.

But there are several match ups and areas that Texas coukd attack to win the game...plus the gap isn't so big that it can't possibly be overcome.

That's actually the kind of thing I thought would be fun to talk about (on a football message board)

Match ups Texas coukd attack, match ups ND coukd attack, things to look for, etc.

Apparently that's a bit too mature for the folks in this thread

Are you spelling could with coukd for a reason?

 

[Scholz]

That's actually the kind of thing I thought would be fun to talk about (on a football message board)

Then go find one. We're obviously not your cup of tea.

 

[Texxxxas]

No, not at all.

ND should be favored, due largely to those factors , as well as a couple others.

But there are several match ups and areas that Texas coukd attack to win the game...plus the gap isn't so big that it can't possibly be overcome.

That's actually the kind of thing I thought would be fun to talk about (on a football message board)

Match ups Texas coukd attack, match ups ND coukd attack, things to look for, etc.

Apparently that's a bit too mature for the folks
in this thread

You're still pretending to be something you're not, Eddie Haskell. That's a scholz throwback.

 

[TheDecker]

Looks like I struck a nerve. Bet you were beaten up a lot.

I like football. I like talking about it. I just don't like you, lying nerd.

Not at all.
Like I told you, I probably am a nerd...and its served me pretty well so far!!

And the few tussles I got into as a kid were really good for me. That's what got me into high school wrestling and eventually college boxing.
Honestly, some of the best things that could have happened to me.

Pathetic to see you unable to handle a football discussion on a football message board, though.

 

[TheDecker]

You're still pretending to be something you're not, Eddie Haskell. That's a scholz throwback.

What's that?

 

[Scholz]

Not at all.
Like I told you, I probably am a nerd...and its served me pretty well so far!!

And the few tussles I got into as a kid were really good for me. That's what got me into high school wrestling and eventually college boxing.
Honestly, some of the best things that could have happened to me.

Pathetic to see you unable to handle a football discussion on a football message board, though.

Yeah, don't believe any of that. You're not honest.

What's pathetic is hanging out where you're obviously unliked, nerd.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

You realize it will en a year since Folston's injury, right?

And he was actually playing innthensprinf game?

And somehow you "don't buy" NDs talent when NFL scouts are actually projecting it to the 1st Round (like McGlinchey) but your WRs who have never had 500 yards...or in some cases even caught a single CFB are "rare talents"

That's comical

How is every unroofed Texas player either "no worry" or "a rare talent" and every improved ND player (who are all older than the Texas players and at least have some CFB experience) are major issues?

You realize we've actually out recruited Texas, in addition to developing and out performing Texas....right?

This level of "all your players suck" and "all of ours are awesome" seems like it must stick out...even to homers?

Right??

Yes it does stick out, especially when you continually do it. You should re read the post I just quoted and then go back and re-read all your posts in this thread.

As for Folson yes it generally takes one year to heal an ACL but it takes a second year of playing on it before the athlete is back to where he was before. It's a mental thing that all athletes go through.

I would not say you have more experience since Texas is returning 8 starters on offense and 8 on defense. Not to mention a shit load of young guys who got lots of experience along the way. This team is a top 15 team talent wise and will be a top 10 team next year.

And NO. You are not out recruiting Texas, you might be recruiting on par with Texas but outside of 2013 recruiting has been pretty even between the two schools. And the only reason there was a big gap in 2013 was because Texas took only 15 players that year, but still ended up with a 3.6 player rating.

Development wise, I'd agree if we were counting Mack Brown's tenure, but your not going to out develop Charlie Strong. Charlie may have a few issues with being a head coach, but player development is not one of them.

 

[TheDecker]

You understand I used the same site as you and another one at that and you still think you guys out recruited us....afraid to use another site huh? Oh just because we are on this rivals site....man get the f*** atta here with that bull$***. And many of us on this board stop using this rivals site for recruiting because of the poor job they have done. Oh yeah way to ignore other facts I have presented for you as well.

On Rivals, ND had higher ranked classes all 4 years.

On 247 itself, ND had higher ranked classes on 3 of the 4 years.

On 247 composite, it was 2 of the for years for ND (ESPN had Texas being better than ND on 2 of the years, which is what moves the composite)

How is that ignoring what you're saying?

Rivals has a clean sweep for ND, and even the most favorable site for Texas has it at 50/50.

Considering we're on a Rivals site, that's obviously the rankings I was referencing.
(And are considered the best researched by many)

 

[TheDecker]

Yeah, don't believe any of that. You're not honest.

What's pathetic is hanging out where you're obviously unliked, nerd.

Where haven't I been honest.

Though I don't care at all what you believe or don't believe.

I haven't told you one thing that's not the truth.
(And that you could actually verify with an Internet search or two)

 

[TheDecker]

Yes it does stick out, especially when you continually do it. You should re read the post I just quoted and then go back and re-read all your posts in this thread.

As for Folson yes it generally takes one year to heal an ACL but it takes a second year of playing on it before the athlete is back to where he was before. It's a mental thing that all athletes go through.

I would not say you have more experience since Texas is returning 8 starters on offense and 8 on defense. Not to mention a shit load of young guys who got lots of experience along the way. This team is a top 15 team talent wise and will be a top 10 team next year.

And NO. You are not out recruiting Texas, you might be recruiting on par with Texas but outside of 2013 recruiting has been pretty even between the two schools. And the only reason there was a big gap in 2013 was because Texas took only 15 players that year, but still ended up with a 3.6 player rating.

Development wise, I'd agree if we were counting Mack Brown's tenure, but your not going to out develop Charlie Strong. Charlie may have a few issues with being a head coach, but player development is not one of them.

That's just not true nowadays, and you can look across CFB for a plethora of examples f players being back at 100% after 1 year from an ACL injury.

And according to Rivals, we are in fact out recruiting Texas every year, though you're right, it's very close.

But I'm not sold on Charlie's player development overall. He does a solid job on the defensive side, but he has yet to show the ability to develop quality offensive skill players at Texas....and has especially struggles to develop a QB

There isn't a legitimate reason to believe he'll suddenly go from what he's shwon so far to a QB-Whisperer in 1 off season

 

[TheDecker]

Are you spelling could with coukd for a reason?

Posting from my phone and typo'ing the word too often has caused my phone to learn the word and actually autocorrect to it.

FML

 

[TheDecker]

Then go find one. We're obviously not your cup of tea.

I've found a few of you that are capable of talking football.

So I'll stick around

You're welcome to head on out if you don't like that though

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Players ND bring back who started (not just played)
QB: Zaire, Kizer
RB: Folston, Adams
TE: Smythe, Jones
WR: Hunter, St. Brown
Oline: McGlinchy, Bars, Nelson
DLine: Jones, Rochelle, Tillery, Cage, Trumbetti
LB: Onwualu, Morgan
CB: Crawford, Cole, Watkins
S: Redfield, Tranquil
K: Yoon
P: Newsome
Ret: Sanders

I'll be your Huckleberry.

QB - Swoops, Heard
RB - Warren, Foreman, Bernard, Johnson
TE - Bluiett, Beck, Gray
WR - Burt, Foreman, Joe, Leonard, Warrick, Newsome. Oliver
OT - Perkins, Williams, Nickelson
OG - Vahe, Rodriguez
C - None

DE - Omenihu, Cottrell, Vasser, Hughes, Hager
DT - Boyette, Ford, Nelson
LB - Jefferson, Cole, Freeman, Wheeler
CB - Hill, D. Davis, A. Davis, Boyd, Evans, Bonney
S - Elliott, Locke, Haines, Vaccaro, Hall.

So now tell me again how you are so much more experienced.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

On Rivals, ND had higher ranked classes all 4 years.

On 247 itself, ND had higher ranked classes on 3 of the 4 years.

On 247 composite, it was 2 of the for years for ND (ESPN had Texas being better than ND on 2 of the years, which is what moves the composite)

How is that ignoring what you're saying?

Rivals has a clean sweep for ND, and even the most favorable site for Texas has it at 50/50.

Considering we're on a Rivals site, that's obviously the rankings I was referencing.
(And are considered the best researched by many)

Teams cannot control how many players they can take in a given year, however a better indicator of the quality of the class is the average star rating. Just using rivals because like you said, we are on a rivals site.

2013
ND - 3.92
TX - 3.6

Both are crazy high, but I'll definitely give the edge to ND.

2014
ND - 3.52
TX - 3.00

No doubt a big win for Notre Dame, but this was a transition year for Texas and very out of the ordinary.

2015
ND - 3.54
TX - 3.34

Not a huge difference, Texas took 14 4'star and 1 5'star, Notre Dame took 13 4'stars in their class, both took several lower ranked players which pulled their average down a bit.

2016
ND - 3.48
TX - 3.5

Both classes are almost identical in rankings across the board.

To say you are out recruiting TX is a joke, BTW Texas is likely to get about 3 more highly ranked players added to their 2016 team as the Baylor class is falling apart. Two of the Baylor kids are Rivals 100 ranked

That's just not true nowadays, and you can look across CFB for a plethora of examples f players being back at 100% after 1 year from an ACL injury.

And according to Rivals, we are in fact out recruiting Texas every year, though you're right, it's very close.

But I'm not sold on Charlie's player development overall. He does a solid job on the defensive side, but he has yet to show the ability to develop quality offensive skill players at Texas....and has especially struggles to develop a QB

There isn't a legitimate reason to believe he'll suddenly go from what he's shwon so far to a QB-Whisperer in 1 off season

Probably not Charlie Strong, but our new OC can stake a claim as a QB whisperer. Charlie isn't an offensive guy, he has turned that side of the ball over to his offensive staff. I'll be the first to tell you I didn't like many of his offensive staff hires, but he has done a pretty good job of replacing them with solid guys. I've seen great improvement across the board from several positions especially RB WR TE and Oline. Now we just need our QB to step up and this will be a scary offense.