I'll go ahead and hang out on the Longhorn site. I'm a Longhorn, uninvited, unlikeable ND nerd.
And again, it's not football discussion I'm averse to, it's you.
Vegas has ND -10 over UT at home.
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And again, it's not football discussion I'm averse to, it's you.
So it looks like we'll both continue on then.
See if you can engage in some football coversasion soon.
I know I will be!
What have I said that wasn't polite?
Pointing out football realities?
Or simply responding to your childish name calling?
And I would think the 2015 Texas season would show you that there is a lot more to football than that...or Texas would have won more than 5 games.
(And ND should be very good in the blocking, pretty good in the tackling, though the holding onto the ball has been a consistent issue)
There is no real difference in the last 4 classes of ND and UT on paper, it is so close. Both schools recruit very well, not Ohio State or Alabama well, but as well as pretty much everyone else.
The difference in these 2 teams will be evaluation, development, coaching, and luck. This game will be decided in the fall, not February. The ingredients are very similar, the question is which coaching staff did a better job. No one knows the answer just yet.
I'm not saying "ND is more experienced than Texas," I was responding to the comment that Texas brought back a lot of guys & ND didn't, thus the reason for a 5 TD swing from last year.
I'm just saying ND brought back just as much as Texas, from two teams who played last year.
From the very beginning I've said I expect Texas to be better than last year, & for ND to be about the same.
I've said that ND should be a better over all team (in a thread where Vegas is saying the same thing)
Is acknowledging the same reality and citing specific reasons now "impolite"??
Is this example 2356 of the pussification of America, that we now can't acknowledge realities others may not love?
And where did I say "ND will win"?
(Spoiler alert, I never said that, intentionally)
That's definitely true of he 2015 and 2016 classes, but it's not nearly as true for the 2013 or 2014 classes. ND had a MAJOR talent edge in those classes.
Though I agree, evaluation/development will be where it ends up being won and lost.
Specifically, each team took a dual-threat type QB in the 2014 class (Kizer and Heard). As far as the evaluation/development of any individual player will affect the game...I think that's likely to be the most significant.
The evaluation/development of players from the 2014 and 2015 classes will be especially important, for replacing lost (or insufficient) talent.
The better team always wins a football game?
And I never said ND was better in every way...at all.
(For example I like Texas better in the pass rush and probably in pass coverage as well)
Again, I've never claimed that ND will win as an absolute (intentionally)
So responding to someone who called me out on the topic and information he called me out on bothers you now?
My God, I never realized how pervasive this pussy soft society had become.
Last year ND was pretty good and experienced, while Texas was pretty bad and young. So it make sense that Texas would return more young guys who played meaningful snaps last year. The young guys at Texas had more opportunity than the young guys at ND, because of the quality of upperclassmen. So it is hard to say which team has better young talent, but it is easy to say Texas's young guys are more experienced. That experience should mean something.
Why is ND overrated? They haven't even played yet?
As for your head to head unit comparisons.
Of the mags who do unit rankings (Phil Streele, Athlon, Sporting News) Athlon is the one who has released 2016 rankings.
Here is how they rank the units against each other.
QB ND 4 Texas NR
RB ND 18 Texas 17
WR/TE ND 23 Texas NR
OL ND 13 Texas NR
DL ND 21 Texas 25
LB ND NR Texas 18
DB ND NR Texas 20
ND RBs versus Texas LB- wash
ND WR/TE versus Texas DBs - ND
ND OL versus Texas DL. - ND
Texas RBs versus ND LB - Texas
Texas WR/TE versus ND DBs - wash
Texas OL versus ND DL - ND
ND QB versus Texas QB - huge ND
So that's 4 ND, 1 Texas & 2 wash.
ND started experienced, but ended up losing more starters & starting more people than ever recorded since PFT kept track of it.
So they now have depth of players who played a lot last year.
For example, in the spring Kizer (Freshman) was 3rd string, Jones (Freshman) was 3rd string & Adams (Freshman) was 4th String. By week 9 they all were experienced starters.
So Texas was forced to play youth because lack of talent, ND was forced because of injury. Either way both teams were forced to play young players. Texas has young players who got 12 games of experience. ND has young players who got 13 games of experience (and won most of them).
That's why ND is ranked by most in the top 10-12 because of all the players they bring back who ended up playing last year.
No biggie. The real difference seems to be QB and OL, which is a big deal. But Texas has some young lions in the back 7, they could be really good. Hard to believe Texas has a highly rated DL, talent at DT is crazy young. Not a great spot to be depending on true freshmen.
Yeah, just reading the Texas board it seemed most though the DLine was your weakness.
I've always believed the game is won in the trenches. So for me RBs versus LBs & WRs versus DBs means nothing compared to Olines versus Dlines.
That's why Bama wins. Look at their front lines.
The worst was watching Jaylon Smith getting hurt in the 1st Q of the Fiesta Bowl getting hit after the whistle. Dropped him out of the top 5 in the draft.
D-line was not a weakness last year it was actually a strength. We base out of a 3-3-5, We have a nose, A tackle which either plays a 3 tech or sometimes a 5 tech and a strong end and then play Will, Mike, and Sam Backers. We can also go to a 3-4 look with an addition of the Fox end, We can go to a 4-2-5 look with the removal of the Mike Backer. Last year we were so young in the back end and had so much trouble on the back end of the D we did a lot of 3-3-5 to help out with coverage. In the 3-3-5 if you have a back get to the second level untouched there is a pretty good chance a backer or a safety screwed up. Last year we had backers over run plays, they got blocked and stayed blocked, they went to the wrong gap and we had crappy run support from the safety spot. This year our group at Strong end and Fox end should be pretty good. They guys at the two tackle spots aren't going to fill up stat sheets but they will be able to occupy O lineman and let our young athletic LBs rally to the ball. Scary thing is 30-40 snaps a game coming from true freshman at the tackle spots.
How about the Oline?
I watched the game again the other day & the Oline really struggled to do anything. All Texas big plays were from scrambles.
You claimed you had never been a jackass. Just pointing out what a lie that was.
Speaking of complete pussies, do you always claim to be the victim, even when you're acting like a know it all jerk on someone else's website?
no doubt our oline was a weakness the last one and half years.
That will not be the case next year. You see the second half of last year, this oline started to grow up. This years oline is going to be maulers next year. Probably the best we have had since 2006.
Dline is a mystery, it should be really good in passing situations as we have some good pass rushers, but unsure about the run stop.
That will not be the case next year. You see the second half of last year, this oline started to grow up. This years oline is going to be maulers next year. Probably the best we have had since 2006.
Dline is a mystery, it should be really good in passing situations as we have some good pass rushers, but unsure about the run stop.
Have you not listened to anything we have said about our oline? Maybe if you went back and read in this thread you will know. We were young on the oline which after the season ended we ended up having 2 freshman AA. Like I said go back and read this thread and you will find what you are looking for. Our oline won't be a weakness this time around they will be pushing people around and taking names.
I did, and everybody but you, including the poster right above you, said it is a weakness for at least another year.
And according to unit rankings by scouts (three publications out so far) not a single one has you in the top 25 Olines in the country.
That is why I was asking. Because we were discussing Olines & Dlines.
We are the exact opposite. We stop the run but didn't get many sacks last year. Supposedly that was the emphasis in the off season, to get speed rushers.
Never claimed to be a victim, at all. Just not afraid to let someone hear what they deserve, especially after they start down that road.
Sorry that triggers you so much
You sound like one of the millennialist that I'm supposed to be associated with.
That's not good...
It will be interesting to see if Texas's OL can really make the big jump this ear, or if it will take another season or 2.
Texas's OL started to look better late last year, but for the most part that was only against teams with VERY suspect defenses (Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, etc)
The Oklahoma game was impressive though
If Texas's OL can really make tha jump, the offense should at least be functional (and how much better then that would then depend on QB play)
What makes me think it may take another year is that you're still starting a True Frosh at Center...and it's not like he was an All-World freak recruit (ala Cam Robinson or Micah Hyatt) and the rest of the OL hasn't shown the ability to clearly win against quality competition yet
(Which is very hard to do, but the next step in becoming a great OL)
If they're able to push ND around in te run game, that would be a very promising start for Texas...as ND may be the best run stopping DL that Texas will ce all year
(Though our pass rush will likely be mediocre)
We should be VERY strong on the interior OL, especially in the run game
With the return of our best "between the tackles" RB and an increase focus/ability in the QB run game....I would expect us to attack those DTs in the run game early on, to see how the hold up
If Texas's DTs, ILB, and S can force ND to go away from that interior run game it would be a MAJOR win for Texas and would force ND to play into the strengths of the Texas defense.
To me, that's exactly te matchup that Texas will need to win if they want to hold ND below 30 points
(and is the most important matchup in that side of the ball)
No i didn't. I said that next season our oline was going to kick ass. Two years ago it was a big weakness, and for the first half of last year it was a weakness. However, the second half of last year that group came together and started to play really well.
From that line we have 3 starters back, two of which were freshmen All Americans. Williams is already grading out to be a 1st round NFL draft pick when he comes out.
Our starting Oline will be (from left to right) Connor Williams, Brandon Hodges, Zach Shackleford, Patrick Vahe, and Kent Perkins.
Backing them up are: Buck Majors, Tristan Nicholson, Terrell Cuney, Elijah Rodriguez, and Jake McMillion.
Now it would not surprise me if Tristan Nicholson, who looks like a mountain, took over at the right tackle and we moved Kent Perkins back to his natural position as left guard. Should that happen then I expect to see our Oline really become very good in the ground game.
When he finally catches up to the mental part of the game, Buck Major might be the most gifted of all the olinemen we have.
Buck was a 3'star coming out of high school, but that was mostly due to the fact no one thought he would qualify to get into a major university. But he put in the work and made it in.
Now as a red-shirt freshmen he is beginning to catch on. Once the lights do come on, look out, he is going to be a beast.
Another thing I want to point out.
Before Spring practice, we were penciling in Jake Raulerson as our starting center. He has two years of eligibility left. But in the spring he completed his degree and announced he would transfer to UCLA. Well, he recently had a talk with Charlie Strong and might be staying after all, if he stays, I'm sure you can pencil him back into the starting lineup as center.
Decker...I said I was messing with you....I never was all that serious about the weather being a big factor.
Done with that...OK...I agree that those areas you say are a concern for us are unknown as of yet. Certainly we will watch them and until we get proof on the field that our young O line can hold their own, we really will not know. Same with our QB and the same with our D line. In last years game we had the O line with the least experience of all 128 teams in FBS. We got lousey production from the QB position. You have gone to great detail to point out how yall can/will exploit those weaknesses. Perhaps you can. What you might consider however is that our QB position has been greatly up graded. Even if our true frosh doesnt start, our other 2 QB's have another year of experience... Our O line has gone from a huge weakness to a real strength. Our D line could be improved in spite of losing ridgeway who was injured and ineffective most of the year.
The biggest improvement will come via the offense which is going to be much,much better. Not only due to scheme and experience, but by no longer having the complete disconnect of offensive coaches working at cross purposes. If we fail now we will at lest fail all being on the same page and working together.
Every writer I have read has said that for the first time, the coaching staff has appeared confident.
Texas 34- ND 24......lets have an injury free game.
Done with that...OK...I agree that those areas you say are a concern for us are unknown as of yet. Certainly we will watch them and until we get proof on the field that our young O line can hold their own, we really will not know. Same with our QB and the same with our D line. In last years game we had the O line with the least experience of all 128 teams in FBS. We got lousey production from the QB position. You have gone to great detail to point out how yall can/will exploit those weaknesses. Perhaps you can. What you might consider however is that our QB position has been greatly up graded. Even if our true frosh doesnt start, our other 2 QB's have another year of experience... Our O line has gone from a huge weakness to a real strength. Our D line could be improved in spite of losing ridgeway who was injured and ineffective most of the year.
The biggest improvement will come via the offense which is going to be much,much better. Not only due to scheme and experience, but by no longer having the complete disconnect of offensive coaches working at cross purposes. If we fail now we will at lest fail all being on the same page and working together.
Every writer I have read has said that for the first time, the coaching staff has appeared confident.
Texas 34- ND 24......lets have an injury free game.
According to Athlon Texas Oline is ranked 5th out of 10 in their own conference.
According to ESPN Insiders it is a "weakness."
According to Phil Steele, having freshman AA at interior line positions is not a good thing because very few teams play freshmen at interior line positions & it shows lack of depth.
Not my opinion, just stating what scouts have reported.
Another thing I read was Texas was ranked outside the top 100 in defensive efficiency last year? That is crazy?
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