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#1 this is a Texas board - please remember that
#2 You say prety much what I did in EVERY single post on here about this game.... and how ND is the king of kings and blah blah blah....
#3 Temper tanturm? Excuse me numbnuts, I dont recall going to your board to preach the variuous reasons I think Texas will win, nor do I downplay every aspect about your team while using pick and choose stats to back me up- so kindly GFY junior
#4 Yeah everything you say about what will happen this year in in fact NOT factual... yet you keepacting like it is.. You keep telling us what ND WILL do and what to expect and writeit off like this game i sover.. yet have the audacity to argue with Texas fans etc when we call you out on that garbage and make valid points that you wont listen to anyways.
#5 - again you are a VISITOR and until recently have been semi cool... dont push the boundaries and become a raging douchetard****nut bc I can already see you starting to drift that way ala RealBear/TeamRamRod/ and to a lesser extent Bullmarket.... ask around if you dont know who any of those ppl are... maybe that will get your head right....

Oh and if you need any more insight, simply read the post that was right before mine that SHOWS everything stupid you said and applied to Texas but act like ND is football Gods and nothing affects them.... you lose 7 on offense but shouldnt miss a beat etc etc.... seriously, just go away for a few weeks and come back when you are doen drinking your own koolaid and cn be rational and exists in a plane of reality in which loss of production and starts does have an effect on your team just like anyone elses in the country.

And should have you have anything to retort with or try to be snide/sneaky or slick, just let me know so I can bend over to make it easier for you to kiss my ass.... in other words - nobody here gves a damn what you think. You want to be respected and have normal conversation then quit talking out the side of yoru neck to everyone here and get acquainted with REALITY. Thanks for playing thus far though.

1. This is a Rivals free-board. If you don't like fans from anywhere/everywhere just jumping, switch to the payboard. That's what this board is designed for and what I'll use t for...thanks for playing though.

2. Your issue is that you think becuAse a Texas fan said something they're not 100%, factually, undebateably, WRONG.
Unfortunately, that's NT what has den proven in this thread.

3. ND returns 6 starters on offense
Kizer/Zaire (QB)
Folston/Adams (RB)
Hunter (WR)
Smythe/Jones (TE)
McGlinchey (LT)
Nelson (LG)

4. ND returns 6 starters on defense
Rochell (SDE)
Jones (NT)
Cage/Tillery (DT)
Onwaulu (SLB)
Luke (CB)
Redfield (FS)

5. ND is not replacing all 3 LBs (Onwaulu)

6. There are multiple FACTUAL INACCURACIES in the posts above mine, that's why I pointed them out and wanted to discuss views with the actual information available.

7. I've never said ND will this game, definitively. I've simply tried to discuss the game itself

8. I beer knew Texas fans were such soft little girls and hated discussing football so much.
I figured football would be a big thing in Texas.

Who knew..
 
So Texas has great young LBs becuAse they were Frosh All-Americans

But Morgan "struggled" at ND...while also being a Frosh All-American in 2014??

And that's without mentioning 3rd years starter at LB, James Onwaulu.

Care to try again.......?

You're in denial. The article said he struggled, and it's a Notre Dame paper. He was a freshman AA in 2014, but a scrub in 2015, what's your point.

"Notre Dame must replace its top producers in the linebacking corps."

"All-American Jaylon Smith declared for the NFL draft after tallying 114 tackles, nine for loss, five passes broken up and five passes defended in 2015. The brain of the operation, fifth-year senior Joe Schmidt, leaves his post as the “Mike” linebacker."

One article states that you lost it all, the other states your new MLB struggled...what am I missing here. Sounds like Warren and Foreman are going to throttle them. Can't wait.
 
You lose 7 starters on offense and nothing major has changed for either of these teams from last years game??? Are you seriously smoking crack? In what world does that even begin to sound believable?

And just for fun you havent seen a 5-7 team with good fans have a turnaround like we are talking about bc you can stop slobbing the knob of ND.... and I will prove it to you right now... TCU went similar to 5-7 a fewyears back... had a new QB come in and soem young talent across the board.... next year I seem to recall they won 10 or close to it.... their fans were pumped befre the season that year... but since you dont lower yourself to actually follow anyone aside from ND and whoever they may be playing this week, I am not surprised you had no clue about this. And yeah we got shut out by ISU - but we beat a playoff OU team, and Baylor as well... shoupd have beaten a few others but bad/missed calls and special teams cost us i think 3 games by a otal of 7 points... but yeah we were a HORRIBLE 5-7 team..... Should have been an 8-4 team and showed we have the talent to smash ppl... This year is when it flows...

I STILL pick Texas by 2 scores over ND and I hope Strong uses that game to make a statement when Texas takes the first lead it gets. You lose7 on offense and think that it will be ok 1st game of the year, but we have all this young talent returning across the board and they wont be ready for the first game...smfh...

We don't have 7 new starters on offense.

Only offensive starters with fewer than 5 starts already are:
WR - St. Brown
Slot - Holmes/Sander (when not in 2 TE sets)
C - Mustipher
RG - Bivin
RT - Bars

It would be very hard to count "ND losing 7 starters" without including players who were 2nd string and only played/started because an injury ahead of them or who lost their staring spot to younger players during the season.

ND losing 4-5 offensive starters would be accurate
 
There is no getting through these guys man....gave up....they think they know college football but don't understand any given Saturday.

Not sure how that's true.

I've never said Nd will win for sure, because anything can happen.

In fact, it's mainly been Texas fans making the definitive outcome call...despite "any given Saturday"

What's that tell you?!
 
You're in denial. The article said he struggled, and it's a Notre Dame paper. He was a freshman AA in 2014, but a scrub in 2015, what's your point.

"Notre Dame must replace its top producers in the linebacking corps."

"All-American Jaylon Smith declared for the NFL draft after tallying 114 tackles, nine for loss, five passes broken up and five passes defended in 2015. The brain of the operation, fifth-year senior Joe Schmidt, leaves his post as the “Mike” linebacker."

One article states that you lost it all, the other states your new MLB struggled...what am I missing here. Sounds like Warren and Foreman are going to throttle them. Can't wait.

So because one random article says Morgan struggled...you completely write off him being a Frosh All-American.

But at the same time Williams, Vahe, and Jefferson are all great, specifically because they were Frosh All-Americans...even though the offense/defense they played on we're terrible.

Not to mention:

Another random article claims and loses all of its starting LBs, when a 3rd year starting LB returns....and you still think individual random articles are "be all, end all" analysis


So not only are you academically inconsistent....but your flat out FACTUALLY WRONG in Somme areas....but pointing that out and trying to talk about how those facts could affect the view of the game causes you to throw a temper tantrum??

What happened to Texas folks

I thought you were the tough guys that loved football......not a bunch of crying sissies
 
So you're saying I was wrong about one LB, oh the horror. Based on what y'all lost, you lied about the number of returning starters for Notre Dame. That's a lot more weak, than being wrong about one player. But there you go being you.

"Notre Dame must replace its top producers in the linebacking corps."

"All-American Jaylon Smith declared for the NFL draft after tallying 114 tackles, nine for loss, five passes broken up and five passes defended in 2015. The brain of the operation, fifth-year senior Joe Schmidt, leaves his post as the “Mike” linebacker."

Stank on shit.

Yes, you were FACTUALLY WRONG as I tried to tell you before.

But please, tell me how I lied about the numbers of returning starters???
 
So you're saying I was wrong about one LB, oh the horror. Based on what y'all lost, you lied about the number of returning starters for Notre Dame. That's a lot more weak, than being wrong about one player. But there you go being you.

"Notre Dame must replace its top producers in the linebacking corps."

"All-American Jaylon Smith declared for the NFL draft after tallying 114 tackles, nine for loss, five passes broken up and five passes defended in 2015. The brain of the operation, fifth-year senior Joe Schmidt, leaves his post as the “Mike” linebacker."

Stank on shit.

The fact that you're trying to cite replacing Joe Schmidt with Nyles Morgan as a loss....means that you're off base.

That would be like me saying that replacing Swoopes with Buechele (in his 2nd year) is a major loss.
 
1. This is a Rivals free-board. If you don't like fans from anywhere/everywhere just jumping, switch to the payboard. That's what this board is designed for and what I'll use t for...thanks for playing though.

2. Your issue is that you think becuAse a Texas fan said something they're not 100%, factually, undebateably, WRONG.
Unfortunately, that's NT what has den proven in this thread.

3. ND returns 6 starters on offense
Kizer/Zaire (QB)
Folston/Adams (RB)
Hunter (WR)
Smythe/Jones (TE)
McGlinchey (LT)
Nelson (LG)

4. ND returns 6 starters on defense
Rochell (SDE)
Jones (NT)
Cage/Tillery (DT)
Onwaulu (SLB)
Luke (CB)
Redfield (FS)

5. ND is not replacing all 3 LBs (Onwaulu)

6. There are multiple FACTUAL INACCURACIES in the posts above mine, that's why I pointed them out and wanted to discuss views with the actual information available.

7. I've never said ND will this game, definitively. I've simply tried to discuss the game itself

8. I beer knew Texas fans were such soft little girls and hated discussing football so much.
I figured football would be a big thing in Texas.

Who knew..

Lies on the returning starters.
So because one random article says Morgan struggled...you completely write off him being a Frosh All-American.

But at the same time Williams, Vahe, and Jefferson are all great, specifically because they were Frosh All-Americans...even though the offense/defense they played on we're terrible.

Not to mention:

Another random article claims and loses all of its starting LBs, when a 3rd year starting LB returns....and you still think individual random articles are "be all, end all" analysis


So not only are you academically inconsistent....but your flat out FACTUALLY WRONG in Somme areas....but pointing that out and trying to talk about how those facts could affect the view of the game causes you to throw a temper tantrum??

What happened to Texas folks

I thought you were the tough guys that loved football......not a bunch of crying sissies

Your pussy hurts, because we now know you lied about the number of returning starters.

Your pussy hurts because you are weakened at WR.

Your pussy hurts because your LB's suck.

Your pussy hurts because we know, Notre Dame is overrated.

Your pussy hurts because you can't convince me otherwise.

Go douche, skank.
 
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Not sure how that's true.

I've never said Nd will win for sure, because anything can happen.

In fact, it's mainly been Texas fans making the definitive outcome call...despite "any given Saturday"

What's that tell you?!

Feel like you are trying to mock me by your quotes around any given Saturday
 
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Yes, I'm trying to "win the game here"

It's not that this is a football site, or that the upcoming game for both of our teams is the ND/Texas game, and that discussing it is the entire point of sites like this......

That's much to obvious

The little temper-tantrums being thrown here because of polite, fact based discussion is pretty sad
Here's a fact. You're a nerdy bitch. Documented.

Here's another fact. We enjoy talking football. It's a you thing.
 
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We don't have 7 new starters on offense.

Only offensive starters with fewer than 5 starts already are:
WR - St. Brown
Slot - Holmes/Sander (when not in 2 TE sets)
C - Mustipher
RG - Bivin
RT - Bars

It would be very hard to count "ND losing 7 starters" without including players who were 2nd string and only played/started because an injury ahead of them or who lost their staring spot to younger players during the season.

ND losing 4-5 offensive starters would be accurate


However you need to argue it to make you feel better... still replacing abouthalf your starting talent from last year..... but I forgot, you guys are ND... you grow talent in a lab and never miss a beat!!!! Losing half your starters on one side of the ball never impats a team from one year to the next... to suggest otherwise to you fine domers would be - "factually incorrect" I believe was the term you chose....... on the other hand the rest of the world would look at that and tell you to stop smoking crack if you think it wont impact your team this year.... but what do realty and the rest of the intelligent world know?

Yall played a great game in a few months, and I praise touchdown jesus for the mercy you will show us in the future. May ND look favorably on CFB and allow other, lesser forms of life rise up to taste some semblance of sweet victory - as long as it doesnt detract from the glorious ND......... seriously, I'm getting tired of you domers shit and think it is time you all kicked rocks till the season starts.... and only then shold you come back for me to GLOAT about smashing your asses all over DKR.
 
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Lies on the returning starters.


Your pussy hurts, because we now know you lied about the number of returning starters.

Your pussy hurts because you are weakened at WR.

Your pussy hurts because your LB's suck.

Your pussy hurts because we know, Notre Dame is overrated.

Your pussy hurts because you can't convince me otherwise.

Go douche, skank.

Which returning starter was I wrong about?

Offense
Kizer (QB) - 11 Starts
Folston (RB) - 13 Starts
Robinson (WR) - 10 Starts
Hunter (WR) - 7 Starts
Jones (TE) - 11 Starts
McGlinchey (OT) - 14 Starts
Nelson (OG) - 11 Starts
Plus
Adams (RB) - 4 Starts
Smythe (TE) - 3 Starts
Bars (OT) - 2 Starts

Defense
Rochell (DE) - 28 Starts
Jones (DT) - 14 Starts
Cage (DT) - 10 Starts
Onwaulu (LB) - 25 Starts
Luke (CB) - 26 Starts
Redfield - 18 Starts
Plus
Morgan - 5 Starts
Tillery (DT) - 4 Starts
Trumbetti (DE) - 3 Starts
Butler (CB) - 3 Starts
Tranquil (S) - 2 Starts
Watkins (CB) - 1 Start


Seems odd that you talk far more about pussy-hurting than you do football.

Want to try again?
 
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Lies on the returning starters.


Your pussy hurts because you are weakened at WR.

Your pussy hurts because your LB's suck.

You realize that we actually return sIgnificantly MORE production/starts at WR than you do, right?
And have actually outrecruited you at WR for new players...according to recruiting services.

And we retun just as many Frosh All-Americans at LB
(Apparently the gold standard of talent/production on this board)

Right??
 
However you need to argue it to make you feel better... still replacing abouthalf your starting talent from last year..... but I forgot, you guys are ND... you grow talent in a lab and never miss a beat!!!! Losing half your starters on one side of the ball never impats a team from one year to the next... to suggest otherwise to you fine domers would be - "factually incorrect" I believe was the term you chose....... on the other hand the rest of the world would look at that and tell you to stop smoking crack if you think it wont impact your team this year.... but what do realty and the rest of the intelligent world know?

Yall played a great game in a few months, and I praise touchdown jesus for the mercy you will show us in the future. May ND look favorably on CFB and allow other, lesser forms of life rise up to taste some semblance of sweet victory - as long as it doesnt detract from the glorious ND......... seriously, I'm getting tired of you domers shit and think it is time you all kicked rocks till the season starts.... and only then shold you come back for me to GLOAT about smashing your asses all over DKR.

So you can't discuss the 2016 rosters, match ups, expectations, etc.

So you go on this diatribe and then complain about not liking that someone is starting a football discussion.

Sounds like you may need to move onto a pay board or just on all together.

This kind of discussion is what Rivals free boards were designed for.
 
However you need to argue it to make you feel better... still replacing abouthalf your starting talent from last year..... but I forgot, you guys are ND... you grow talent in a lab and never miss a beat!!!! Losing half your starters on one side of the ball never impats a team from one year to the next... to suggest otherwise to you fine domers would be - "factually incorrect" I believe was the term you chose....... on the other hand the rest of the world would look at that and tell you to stop smoking crack if you think it wont impact your team this year.... but what do realty and the rest of the intelligent world know?

Yall played a great game in a few months, and I praise touchdown jesus for the mercy you will show us in the future. May ND look favorably on CFB and allow other, lesser forms of life rise up to taste some semblance of sweet victory - as long as it doesnt detract from the glorious ND......... seriously, I'm getting tired of you domers shit and think it is time you all kicked rocks till the season starts.... and only then shold you come back for me to GLOAT about smashing your asses all over DKR.

As for "does losing half the starters on offense, hurt the offense"...the answer isn't that cut and dried

Not having to replace our QB mid season with a Frosh who has never taken a snap before...helps the offense.

Not having to replace our starting RB mid season with a WR who has never played RB before...helps the offense.

Having an older and more developed OL...helps the offense.

Losing elite talents Will Fuller and Ronnie Stanley, plus solid guys like Nick Martin hurts the offense.

Overall, the offense gains/loses fairly similar amounts and should be similar in quality
(perhaps a bit better with significantly improved QB play)



That's really what seems so crazy to you?
 
As for "does losing half the starters on offense, hurt the offense"...the answer isn't that cut and dried

Not having to replace our QB mid season with a Frosh who has never taken a snap before...helps the offense.

Not having to replace our starting RB mid season with a WR who has never played RB before...helps the offense.

Having an older and more developed OL...helps the offense.

Losing elite talents Will Fuller and Ronnie Stanley, plus solid guys like Nick Martin hurts the offense.

Overall, the offense gains/loses fairly similar amounts and should be similar in quality
(perhaps a bit better with significantly improved QB play)



That's really what seems so crazy to you?

Nope, what seems crazy to me is that you cant/wont apply that same logic to Texas.... all fo the stuff that can help ND with replacing talent is a downfall for Texas...... you domers have downplayed our Freshman AA on both sides fo the ball, returning experience, and a lot of other stuff... yet if you had any ofthat working for you it would be yet ANOTHER reason the domers will win.....

Its crazy that you are soooo blind by your colors you miss the hypocrisy in every post you make about this years game and what will decide it....

Now, if you are done acting stupid and trying to play mind/word games- just go back to your own site and take the twin tard farly with you.............. feel free to come back for the game - as i want to laugh at you when Texas wins by 2 scores, but until then stay gone.
 
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Oh and your football talk is far from "polite" or "fact based". You're just passive aggressive and dishonest like a woman is all.
 
So you can't discuss the 2016 rosters, match ups, expectations, etc.

So you go on this diatribe and then complain about not liking that someone is starting a football discussion.

Sounds like you may need to move onto a pay board or just on all together.

This kind of discussion is what Rivals free boards were designed for.

Ummm actually I just cant discuss any of that with you.... your logic doesnt work for everyone.. just for the benefit of ND.... let me explain - a more experienced line will be beneficial for you even if you lose a few starters... but us bringing back damn near our ENTIRE lines with some freshman AA mixed in there will struggle bc Freshamn AA arent on the same level as regular AA's.......Your rb vs our LB is a push in your mind bc you are a domer - you have no proven threat at RB yet we have monsters lined up for days at LB including another freshman AA and probably concencus AA for the rest of his career in Malik, but its a push..... your WR vs our DB is a push bc you are a domer... there is a reason we are DBU and why our defensive backfield in considered to be one of the best this year with the talent we have back there, both returning and stepping in.. but yeah its a push...

You rail on and on with your pro ND shit and downplay anything remotely similar for Texas as being worthless.... cant have it both ways. You come with pro ND sites and articles and act like thats factual. You see the line in Vegas shrinking and you think it is bc everyone just decided the game was gonna be a blowout and they adjusted, when in reality Texas has a solid chance to beat you guys if we get DECENT qb play. The line started at 10 and is down to 3... and all this after spring camps etc and coaches evaluations of incoming and current talent..... Everyone that isnt a domer can see that ppl believe Texas can and will beat ND, and it is starting to influence the line..... yet you spin EVERYTHING in a way to be pro domer and shit on everyone else....

You remind me of an aggy....... the only thing stopping you from being AS pathetic as them is that ND actually has won something of merit on a national stage...but you still act like those inbred cultish retards that alwys think their team is gona win and will rail out excuse, errr example after example about why they will crush...... and if you keep track on those guys - they ALWAYS fall off and oerestimate how god they will be...

Truth be told sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself you guys will win and not us...... the more i read and hear about the game, the more confident i am in us beating your asses.
 
And we retun just as many Frosh All-Americans at LB
(Apparently the gold standard of talent/production on this board)

Right??


Ohhhh so that stuff DOES have an impact.......well as long as we discuss ND. But let a Texas player bring that up and Fresh AA's arent anything special....

Seriously dude.... just leave... it is obvious you are a dick... and it is obvious that daily you become more of a cock eating troll..... and it is blindingly obvious that you do not live in reality where all things are equal, you live in ND world where ND is always better even if they are the same.....

You started off ok here, but have gotten progressively more retarded... and the fact that you had the audacity to tell me maybe I shold move to a pay board bc I took objection to your backwards logic and total lack of reality when you are a GUEST here is amazing..... it is going to be glorious kicking yalls asses this year.... although when we do I am sure you wont be around for me to laugh in your face about all the bullshit you have pulled here pregame.....
 
You realize that we actually return sIgnificantly MORE production/starts at WR than you do, right?
And have actually outrecruited you at WR for new players...according to recruiting services.

And we retun just as many Frosh All-Americans at LB
(Apparently the gold standard of talent/production on this board)

Right??

Wrong! You don't get to make up your own rules, on what a starter is. You are weakened at WR because of what you lost. Morgan regressed as a sophomore...not my words, but that of the Notre Dame Observer. I'm not buying the hype of an overrated team, that beat nobody worth a damn. Neither of us is going to budge, let's just see what happens. If you need to occupy your time, get a girlfriend/boyfriend, or whatever you like.
 
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So you can't discuss the 2016 rosters, match ups, expectations, etc.

Damn Decker....I was always just messing with you when I was talking about the heat and I said so....but that above that you ask for is so damned ND that I wonder if yall dont take an orientation class on it. Here is the deal:

1. discussions on rosters are legit and worth discussing. I give you credit there.

2.Matchups....you know that matchup discussions were invented back in the 40's and 50's to help sell newspapers....Hey!....wait a minute!...hmmm40's and 50's?...wow...thats back when yall were good. Ok I get it now......but in reality it is a bullshit session discussion that just gives some weight to the side you are pulling for. In fact, they dont mean much toward the on field results. I dont expect you to believe that, but it doesnt matter because I believe that.

3.expectations??? Well....that is simply cutting to the chase. You said you expected to have the upper hand on paper. You didnt even have the sack to say."we are gonna kick your ass just like last year" Fact is that you didnt even call a win.....pathetic......My expectation is that we win by 10 points or better

I am glad we had this little talk. Now I will even tell you my hope for that game....no injuries on either side.

Good luck and enjoy your visit.
 
We don't have 7 new starters on offense.

Only offensive starters with fewer than 5 starts already are:
WR - St. Brown
Slot - Holmes/Sander (when not in 2 TE sets)
C - Mustipher
RG - Bivin
RT - Bars

It would be very hard to count "ND losing 7 starters" without including players who were 2nd string and only played/started because an injury ahead of them or who lost their staring spot to younger players during the season.

ND losing 4-5 offensive starters would be accurate

If that is how you are counting then Texas is bringing back 10 starters on offense and 11 on defense. Heck I think we are bringing back 16 starters on defense. counting everyone from our dime package as a starter as well as all those defensive ends that started for us.
 
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If that is how you are counting then Texas is bringing back 10 starters on offense and 11 on defense. Heck I think we are bringing back 16 starters on defense. counting everyone from our dime package as a starter as well as all those defensive ends that started for us.

So you have 16 players that actually started the majority of a season???

It doesn't matter what the package is, if that's the base base package of your team (I assume Nickle for Texas)

You realize that's the standard I used...right?
 
So you have 16 players that actually started the majority of a season???

It doesn't matter what the package is, if that's the base base package of your team (I assume Nickle for Texas)

You realize that's the standard I used...right?

You sure do know how to get shi+ twisted don't you? You getting annoying as fu** by the way with your bull****. You act like a co**y a hole too.

Hook 'Em
 
You sure do know how to get shi+ twisted don't you? You getting annoying as fu** by the way with your bull****. You act like a co**y a hole too.

Hook 'Em

So instead of responding to the point (that those are NDs retuning starters, and the standard by which they were judged) you switch to this pathetic whining?

Can't respond to the football discussion?

Planning on to continue your sissy whining??
 
Guaranteed you never talk to anyone like that in real life, nerd.

Lol sure buddy.

Does this schtick actually make you feel better about your inability to discuss football?

The fact that your boss is mean to you, becuAse he didn't get a 1.5 in high school and finished the 10th grade burning extra hot today?

I'll let you try again...
 
So instead of responding to the point (that those are NDs retuning starters, and the standard by which they were judged) you switch to this pathetic whining?

Can't respond to the football discussion?

Planning on to continue your sissy whining??

Sorry if what I said went over your head sooner. Nice use of words "sissy"
 
Lol sure buddy.

Does this schtick actually make you feel better about your inability to discuss football?

The fact that your boss is mean to you, becuAse he didn't get a 1.5 in high school and finished the 10th grade burning extra hot today?

I'll let you try again...
Just don't like girly, passive aggressive, dishonest nerds like you who come on here and talk tough because you're a complete pussy in real life, that's all.
 
Lies on the returning starters.


Your pussy hurts, because we now know you lied about the number of returning starters.

Your pussy hurts because you are weakened at WR.

Your pussy hurts because your LB's suck.

Your pussy hurts because we know, Notre Dame is overrated.

Your pussy hurts because you can't convince me otherwise.

Go douche, skank.

I lost my pussy in WW1, so I will chime in on the football part when you talk WRs.

Page 10, Athlon national preview, ND WRs/TE ranked 23rd. Texas unranked.
Page 48, Lindy's national player rankings by position (per NFL scouts), Tori Hunter Jr. 16th. No Texas WRs ranked.

So ND has the overall ranked WR/TE unit & the best individual WR in the game.

These are NFL scouts ranking the players, not me or you.

Also, (page 49) OG Quenton Nelson, 3rd. No Texas players. OT Mike McGlinchey 5th. No Texas players.

QB (page 46) QB Zaire/Kizer 8th. No Texas QB.

ILB (page 51) ILB Jefferson 6th. No ND player.

Kicker (page 53) Yoon 7th. No Texas players.

That is all the players ranked for the two teams.

Units ranked (per Athlon):
ND QB 4th, RBs 18, WR/TE 23, OL 13, DL 21
Texas RB 17, DL 25, LB 18, DB 20

As for ND being overrated? How can they be overrated if they haven't even played yet?
Historically this argument has been hashed out more than I care to talk about, but statistically (preseason rank versus final) ND has actually been underrated during its 128 years . Just in the past 30 years ND has been ranked #1 once (1989) but has made it to #1 during the season for over 30 weeks. ND has been ranked in the top 5 twice in the last 30 years (1989 & 2006) but has spent over 50 weeks in the top 5 over that span during the season.
So it's fun to say they are overrated, but they actually have been underrated if you are looking at actual rankings.

Now my pussy hurts too.
 
Position rankings are a joke. The success of one unit is largely dependent upon other factors. I don't know much about ND because not an obsessed fan boy that lives on other teams message boards but I do know a little bit about this team. We don't know how good are receivers are because of the OC and offensive staff issues and poor QB play. What I do know is that John Burt is the real deal, Johnson is raw but looks like he could turn into an animal. In 11 personnel to the wide side of the field could get Burt a lot of single coverage on the outside if we can effectively run the ball out of that grouping. I like Burt's size and speed vs just about anyone if he can get singled up. If we are effective in running inside veer out of 11 personnel then Bluiett will be wide open in the second level on pass plays out of a veer look. Of course none of that matters if Buechele can't get them the ball or the O-line cant pass protect.
 
Sorry if what I said went over your head sooner. Nice use of words "sissy"

Not being able to figure out that I'm not a Sooner fan........should tell you who's having basic conversation go over their head

Again, try to stop being such a whiny little sissy and actually discuss football
 
Just don't like girly, passive aggressive, dishonest nerds like you who come on here and talk tough because you're a complete pussy in real life, that's all.

I like that you think a basic discussion of the realities of football teams is "talking tough"
 
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