Vegas has ND -10 over UT at home.

[LonghornSoldier]

Where are you coming up with this crap?



What does our OL being older and more developed have to do with your OL at all?

When did I say your 2016 OL would be worse than your 2015 OL?

Is pointing out that starting a True Frosh at one of the hardest OL positions to play early at "unfair" now?
It's only objective to assume that players who have never played a single snap of CFB will suddnely be great at directing the OL, holding up at the POA, and playing consistently??

It's now unfair to point out that "Frosh All-American's" are only picked from a small group, especially along the OL, and that many of the top OLs in football don't play as True Frosh?



We have no proven threat at RB?
But Texas has proven studs??

Compare ND's Top2 2016 RBs to Texas's

Folston v. Foreman
1700 Yards v. 1100 Yards
10 TDs v. 9 TDs
5.2 YPC v. 6.5 YPC

Adams v. Warren
875 Yards v. 475 Yards
7 TDs v. 4 TDs
7.2 YPC v. 6.2 YPC

Think about that, as excited as Texas fans are about their RBs........Notre Dame actually has MORE PROVEN studs at RB than Texas

And it's unreasonable that makes a "push" against an LB core that only has 1 proven player and was a part of a #87 Scoring Defense??



Did you just use the argument "We've had good DBs in the past" as an attempt to prove that your DBs are in fact proven???
(and not just talented but unproven, as I said)

Who considers Texas to have one of the best DB units in CFB for 2016?

Anyone other than Texas fans??




I've been equal on both sides.

That's wh I gave respect to Texas talent at DB, despite it's lack of proof and production.
(similar to ND's WRs)

That's why I would respect Texas's RB similar to ND's RB's.......despite ND's being more proven at an equal (or younger) age.


Where are you actually seeing me be unfair?
(specifically)




When did I say any of that?

Are you just making things up??

I said that the current betting is a good trend for Texas, as clearly there are large bets taking Texas+Points

It will be interesting to see where the line actually ends




So discussing actual football specifics bothers you?

Or is it the fact that ND completely OWNS Texas?



I'd be interested in hearing (specifically) what's making you feel good?

The Warren comparison is funny seeing as how he only really played in like 3 or 4 games...... which one of those nd running backs only played 4 games.... just trying to see how you justify that.... aside from that im not reading the rest of that novel.... its all double talk and trying to twist what i said.... im not biting...

oh yeah, you suck, nd sucks and dont cry when Texas beats your asses in Austin this year.

 

[LonghornSoldier]

Not sure how this is fair, at all.

Texas fans are wetting themselves over their Frosh All-Americans.

But somehow NDs Frosh All-American LB Nyles Morgan "hasn't impressed"???

Beyond being a Frosh All-American in actual CFB games, averaging 9 Tackles and 1.5 TFL in his starts (as a True Frosh).......after being 5*/4* recruit.....he was also the defensive star of the spring for ND.

Where is this analysis coming from?

But wait....... frosh AA arent all that.......

 

[TheDecker]

A Notre Dame fan did talk up your DL in this thread, so it was said. I don't see how these guys can specialize in anything, that they have yet to prove. Looks like a watered down group. I think our OL will do just fine against them. And of course your number of returning starters, is different from both articles I provided in this thread.

Where are you getting this?

Rochell and Jones have both shown they're very stron against the run already, and are very likely to be mid round NFL Draft Picks (at least) in the 2017 Draft based primarily on their strength against the run.
Additionally, Cage was strong against te run last year for a Frosh as well.



And where did you cite an article that specified how many returning starters ND has coming back for 2016??

All I saw was articles talking about changes from 2015 to 2016....which would completely starters that are coming back after injury
(Such as retuning starter at NT Jarron Jomes, etc)

 

[TheDecker]

Every reply back you practically said IN YOUR OPINION THEY WILL BE GREAT even with the facts out there.

In what reply did I say that?

It said the WR core is "young by very talented" which is exactly the same as your "young/unproven but talented" DB core.

Beyond that, I specifically said the NDs DL likely WILL NOT be dominant, and should be limited in the pass rush but should be very strong against the run.

Where are you coming up with this BS??

 

[TheDecker]

Your freshman AA struggled his sophomore year, not my words. Malik hasn't had that lapse, that's how it's fair. Simple concept, smart guy. Notre Dame has two new starters at LB that haven't impressed...but one did regress.

A Frosh AA who became a Frosh AA because he got the opportunity to play, when the regular starter ft hurt during his Frosh year.

With that starter back in 2015, he barely played.

There is absolutely no point where he played but looked poor....and if you disagree please point to a time.

Again, wetting yourself about your own Frosh All-American(s) but saying that NDs Frosh All American is a weakness....is completely asinine.

There is simply no defending a point hat stupid.

 

[TheDecker]

So you didn't know what you're talking about and have no way to discuss the point further, at all.

Gotcha.

 

[TheDecker]

But wait....... frosh AA arent all that.......

They're more valuable at some positions than others.

The more Frosh that play the position nationwide, the more meaningful the award.

For example, RB has a lot and is therefor more meaningful, while OL has by far the least and is far leads meaningful.

But more importantly, if you're valuing heavily for one player/team, you have to be consistent and value it for both sides.
(Same as if you downplay it)

You can't pump it up for your own team but downplay it for the other team.

Which is exactly what Texas fans in this thread are attempting
(Foolishly)

 

[Scholz]

Say "Frosh" again. Good lord.

 

[TheDecker]

To settle this discussion about "WhatbReturning Starters" ND has for 2016, here is our objected 2-Deep
(At least for entering Fall Camp)

The "Retuning Starters" are bolded.

Players with "significant experience" (at least 2-3 starts, of not more) but not full on "Retuning Starters" are in Italics.

Players that are relatively new to significant PT are in normal font.

Offense:
QB - Kizer (6'5", 230lbs) / Zaire (6'0", 225lbs)
RB - Folston (5'10", 215lbs) / Adams (6'1", 225lbs)
WR - Hunter (6'0", 200lbs) , Stepherson (5'11", 190lbs)
WR - St Brown (6'4", 215lbs) , Boykin (6'3", 225lbs)
Slot - Holmes (6'0", 205lbs) / Sanders (5'10", 200lbs)
TE - A. Jones (6'5", 240lbs) / Smythe (6'5", 255lbs)
LT - McGlinchey (6'7", 320lbs)
LG - Nelson (6'4", 330lbs)
C - Mustipher (6'2", 315lbs)
RG - Bivin (6'4", 310lbs)
RT - Bars (6'6", 325lbs)

Defense:
SDE - Rochell (6'3", 285lbs) , Blankenship (6'4", 275lbs)
NT - Jones (6'6", 325lbs) / Cage (6'2", 325lbs)
DT - Tillery (6'6", 315lbs) , J. Hayes (6'3", 285lbs)
WDE - Trumbetti (6'3", 265lbs) , D. Hayes (6,3", 255lbs)
WLB - Coney (6'1", 230lbs) / Bilal (6'2", 230lbs)
MLB - Morgan (6'2", 245lbs) , Barajas (6'2", 240lbs)
SLB - Onwaulu (6'1", 235lbs) / Martini (6'3", 245lbs)
CB - Luke (6'0", 200lbs), Crawford (5'9", 185lbs)
CB - Watkins (6'0", 200lbs) , Crawford (5'9"
NB - Crawford (5'9", 185lbs)
FS - Redfield (6'1", 205lbs) / Studstill (6'0", 200ls)
SS - Tranquill (6'2", 225lbs) , Redfield (6'1", 205lbs)

Special Teams
PK - Yoon
P - Newsome
PR - Sanders
KR - Sanders / D. Williams
LS - Daly



The basic breakdown

Total:
Retuning Starters - 16/28 (58%)
Significant Experience - 5/28 (17%)
New - 7/28 (25%)

Offense:
Retuning Starters - 6/11 (54%)
Significant Experience - 1/11 (9%)
New - 4/11 (36%)

Defense:
Retuning Starters - 5/12 (42%)
Significant Experience - 4/12 (33%)
New - 3/12 (25%)

Special Teams:
Retuning Starters - 5/5 (100%)
Significant Experience - 0/5 (0%)
New - 0/5 (0%)

 

[oldhorn2]

I resize it is only June, but it was 91 at 9PM last night here.....88 at 10:08. Of course, I am 70 miles south of Austin.. ...realize.....not resize

 

[LonghornSoldier]

They're more valuable at some positions than others.

The more Frosh that play the position nationwide, the more meaningful the award.

For example, RB has a lot and is therefor more meaningful, while OL has by far the least and is far leads meaningful.

But more importantly, if you're valuing heavily for one player/team, you have to be consistent and value it for both sides.
(Same as if you downplay it)

You can't pump it up for your own team but downplay it for the other team.

Which is exactly what Texas fans in this thread are attempting
(Foolishly)

I would actually tend to think that a frosh AA on the line would be better than one in the backfield seeing as how the game is won in the trenches...... plus if you dont have any talent on that line, who is going to block for that frosh AA RB? your value analysys is skewered quite a bit.... and you dont even see it.... these are the double standards I am talking about.... use one argument to downplay an aspect of Texas while using similar arguments to inflate nd....

just... jut stop.

 

[TheDecker]

I would actually tend to think that a frosh AA on the line would be better than one in the backfield seeing as how the game is won in the trenches...... plus if you dont have any talent on that line, who is going to block for that frosh AA RB? your value analysys is skewered quite a bit.... and you dont even see it.... these are the double standards I am talking about.... use one argument to downplay an aspect of Texas while using similar arguments to inflate nd....

just... jut stop.

This issue with this is that you're assuming that all Frosh All-American's are on the same level, and you're just choosing the position where you would rather have that level of talent.

What I'm pointing out is that Frosh All-American's along the OL and Interior DL are picked from a much smaller pool of players than a Frosh All-American RB..........because far more players play at RB as a True Frosh than on the OL or at DT

Basically, if you have 50+ teams with True Frosh RBs getting significant snaps then when you pick the best of them (Frosh All-American) you're getting the best out of a 50 player pool

But usually that pool would be much smaller for positions like OL and DT, where even major NFL prospects have a tendency to Red-Shirt
(for example, Zach Martin and Ronnie Stanley.......just from ND)

So when you're picking the Frosh All-American OLs you may only be picking from a 10-20 player pool (at least of P5 players)

This type of smaller pools for the "power positions" is why being a Frosh All-American at those positions just isn't as valuable as it is at the skill positions.

It's far more likely that there are Red-Shrt Frosh that will come in and be as good (or better) than the Frosh All-American along the LOS than at the skill positions





So what you're discussing is completely separate from what I'm saying

 

[Texxxxas]

So you didn't know what you're talking about and have no way to discuss the point further, at all.

Gotcha.

Haha, you're trying to hard. You don't like points that are not your own. That is a fact, clown. You said it was a push between our DB's and your WR's. You lose a projected starter, and you maintain that it's still a push. Very telling.

 

[TheDecker]

Haha, you're trying to hard. You don't like points that are not your own. That is a fact, clown. You said it was a push between our DB's and your WR's. You lose a projected starter, and you maintain that it's still a push. Very telling.

A rolling smiley face and picture is a point now?

And Robinson wasn't a projected starter at WR for 2016.
He had been a starter in the past (and thus a "returning starting"), but like Carlisle in 2015, he was passed on the depth chart by younger players.

Robinson was projected to compete with Boykin for #4 WR duties in base sets, and #3 WR duties in red-zone and/or short yardage sets
(when there isn't a slot WR on the field)

So what's your point again?
What's telling about it??

 

[Texxxxas]

A rolling smiley face and picture is a point now?

And Robinson wasn't a projected starter at WR for 2016.
He had been a starter in the past (and thus a "returning starting"), but like Carlisle in 2015, he was passed on the depth chart by younger players.

Robinson was projected to compete with Boykin for #4 WR duties in base sets, and #3 WR duties in red-zone and/or short yardage sets
(when there isn't a slot WR on the field)

So what's your point again?
What's telling about it??

I made several points before that pic, and you know what's telling about it. I can't wait for Texas to shut you clowns up. Notre Dame is overrated and will not finish where they start the season. They'll drop after week one, and I already said why.

 

[TheDecker]

I made several points before that pic, and you know what's telling about it. I can't wait for Texas to shut you clowns up. Notre Dame is overrated and will not finish where they start the season. They'll drop after week one, and I already said why.

You haven't really said anything, just posted "We're gonna beat the crap out of you guys"

When it's come to actually discussing something......you're completely avoided it

 

[Texxxxas]

You haven't really said anything, just posted "We're gonna beat the crap out of you guys"

When it's come to actually discussing something......you're completely avoided it

And you're serious.

 

[CaptainZigZag]

"You're completely avoided it". Somehow, your childish and emotional responses have you tongue tied.

 

[LonghornSoldier]

This issue with this is that you're assuming that all Frosh All-American's are on the same level, and you're just choosing the position where you would rather have that level of talent.

What I'm pointing out is that Frosh All-American's along the OL and Interior DL are picked from a much smaller pool of players than a Frosh All-American RB..........because far more players play at RB as a True Frosh than on the OL or at DT

Basically, if you have 50+ teams with True Frosh RBs getting significant snaps then when you pick the best of them (Frosh All-American) you're getting the best out of a 50 player pool

But usually that pool would be much smaller for positions like OL and DT, where even major NFL prospects have a tendency to Red-Shirt
(for example, Zach Martin and Ronnie Stanley.......just from ND)

So when you're picking the Frosh All-American OLs you may only be picking from a 10-20 player pool (at least of P5 players)

This type of smaller pools for the "power positions" is why being a Frosh All-American at those positions just isn't as valuable as it is at the skill positions.

It's far more likely that there are Red-Shrt Frosh that will come in and be as good (or better) than the Frosh All-American along the LOS than at the skill positions





So what you're discussing is completely separate from what I'm saying

No, what I am discussing is that we have frosh AA from last year that are going to skullfuk your team but you dont think ours are any good... only yours...... glad i could clear that up for you bud.

 

[TheDecker]

No, what I am discussing is that we have frosh AA from last year that are going to skullfuk your team but you dont think ours are any good... only yours...... glad i could clear that up for you bud.

I've never said that at all. Sorry for forcing you to stick to reality, bud.

I've said that you have to stop creating a double standard for Frosh All-Americans (for the same position, between teams) and that you have to understand how many True Frosh actually play at any given position, and how that affects Frosh All-American status for the position.

I've never said bat NDs Frosh All-American LB is better or worse than Tecas Frosh All-American LB.

I've just pointed out that the award isn't as meaningful at some other positions, where the True Frosh talent pool is smaller.

I've been consistent in evaluating both Morgan and Jefferson, even giving the significant edge to Jefferson in that direct comparison

 

[LonghornSoldier]

I've never said that at all. Sorry for forcing you to stick to reality, bud.

I've said that you have to stop creating a double standard for Frosh All-Americans (for the same position, between teams) and that you have to understand how many True Frosh actually play at any given position, and how that affects Frosh All-American status for the position.

I've never said bat NDs Frosh All-American LB is better or worse than Tecas Frosh All-American LB.

I've just pointed out that the award isn't as meaningful at some other positions, where the True Frosh talent pool is smaller.

I've been consistent in evaluating both Morgan and Jefferson, even giving the significant edge to Jefferson in that direct comparison

Not as meaningful? A freshman AA implies that a 18 yr old kid came in - forced their way in to a starting job, and did more than enough to garner national notice for their production. Smaller pool? Only bc it is harder for a freshman to break a 2 deep as a starter.... an AA is an AA regardless of freshman or regular. You dont get to decide how much weight each position holds.

Sorry to stick to reality bud.

 

[oldhorn2]

LS...I doubt he will get it, but from what I can see of this new debate, he is discounting OL freshmen AA because they come from a much smaller pool than say RB freshmean AA?...is that right?

What our friend Decker is disregarding is that ANY freshman playing OL, QB or even DL is such a rarity. What he is discounting is that those freshman that can gain enough min to get those honors are already in an elite group. Decker has this backwards. A freshman RB is not unique. A freshman QB or OL is astonishingly rare.
For Decker to say that the pool is too small to be meaning ful is sort of like comparing astronauts to truck drivers.There are many of one and few of the other. I maintain that to be the best of the few is very much more impressive than being the best of the many.

 

[NDAFArly]

So has anyone put any money down yet?

Both sides seem very confident, so if the line is down to 3.5 then it should be a no-brainier on both sides to bet big? (Especially Texas if they are getting points & think they will win).

I waited & got in at 3.5 which was nice because with all the betting coming in at that low number Bovada is predicting it to go back up & finish somewhere near 6.5 - 7 (with homefield getting 3, predicting ND 10 points better).

So if you are betting Texas you should wait until it goes back up unless you already got in at -10 at the beginning. Then you're good.

So I just need ND to win by 4 & cash out.

 

[TheDecker]

Not as meaningful? A freshman AA implies that a 18 yr old kid came in - forced their way in to a starting job, and did more than enough to garner national notice for their production. Smaller pool? Only bc it is harder for a freshman to break a 2 deep as a starter.... an AA is an AA regardless of freshman or regular. You dont get to decide how much weight each position holds.

Sorry to stick to reality bud.

The issue here is Frosh All-Americans are NOT at all similar to actual All-Americans, especially at positions like the OL.

Evaluating how valuable each award is at each position is ABSOLUTELY part of the intelligent analysis process.

The smaller pool of Frosh to compete with along the OL is MASSIVELY impactful to the signings ce of the award.

That's reality

 

[oldhorn2]

yawwwwn.

 

[TheDecker]

LS...I doubt he will get it, but from what I can see of this new debate, he is discounting OL freshmen AA because they come from a much smaller pool than say RB freshmean AA?...is that right?

What our friend Decker is disregarding is that ANY freshman playing OL, QB or even DL is such a rarity. What he is discounting is that those freshman that can gain enough min to get those honors are already in an elite group. Decker has this backwards. A freshman RB is not unique. A freshman QB or OL is astonishingly rare.
For Decker to say that the pool is too small to be meaning ful is sort of like comparing astronauts to truck drivers.There are many of one and few of the other. I maintain that to be the best of the few is very much more impressive than being the best of the many.

That's simply foolish, and disproven over and over again.

Being the bigest finish in a small pond is almost never as good as being the biggest finish in a large pond.


If you want proof....

Go look at the Frosh All-American list at OL and RB for the last 10 Years.

What percentage of the Frosh All-Americans at OL v. RB (or WR) eventually became 1st/2nd Team All-Americans?


****SPOILER ALERT****
The percentage is much higher at RB/WR than OL



So it's actually you that's missing the point

 

[oldhorn2]

My bad Decker....I must have misunderstood what the discussion was about. I thought you were discussing which was the bigger accomplishment. Very clever of you to work in the big fish in a small pond analogy...nice!

As far as future accomplishments proving present results....sorta seems like saying who was the better college player using NFL stats.

 

[LonghornSoldier]

That's simply foolish, and disproven over and over again.

Being the bigest finish in a small pond is almost never as good as being the biggest finish in a large pond.


If you want proof....

Go look at the Frosh All-American list at OL and RB for the last 10 Years.

What percentage of the Frosh All-Americans at OL v. RB (or WR) eventually became 1st/2nd Team All-Americans?


****SPOILER ALERT****
The percentage is much higher at RB/WR than OL



So it's actually you that's missing the point

SPOILER ALERT!!! You are a tool..... and nobody cares anymore.... you have been douche-speaking to us for awhile now... like i stated many threads ago, you started off OK, but now you are just annoying.... actually though you seem to be acting like a normal gomer....telling us how our team isnt as good as your team.. finding ways to make similar accomplishments look like nothing for us, but they are strengths for you.... ignoring continuity aspects to your own logic to spin a bad for Texas in to a good if it is happening to ND....

You just continue to live in your safe green and gold world..... however come game 1 - prepare to have your asses handed to you in a hurry.... might just be best to stop discussion till that point.... although I have a feeling that after Texas wins we dont see any of the domer fans over here anymore...

 

[TexExSpur]

"Making an immediate impact is hard enough. Performing at an All-American level as a freshman shows the elite level of talent a college football player possesses."

 

[LonghornSoldier]

You can't pump it up for your own team but downplay it for the other team.

Which is exactly what Texas fans in this thread are attempting
(Foolishly)

THIS came from you? Go choke yourself on a large bag on penis.THIS is all you and your retard buddy have been doing since you got here.....NOBODY fron Texas was trying to spin shit this wayuntillong after how you told us something on our side was no good and then came back a few posts later and explained how what was detrimental to uswas actually a strength for nd.... you keep moving the parameters all over the place just so you CAN act like a douche.....

the only foolish one around here are you and your buddy farly....you 2 idiots have been operating outside of reality for weeks to this point.... and then you went full retard when you suggest it is Texas fans trying to pump one and dump the other... even though I ****ING CALLED YOU OUT ON THIS CRAP LOOOONG AGO...... NOBODY started doing it for Texas until we noticed how you and yours were totally incapable of applying the same guidelines to each team... go back and read junior - i have been caling you and the other tard out for awhil eover this... and now you act like it was Texas fans to start with using the double standard crap you have been preaching since the day you got here.....

EVEY single post you make only further solidifies my belief that you are a troll- even a well disguised troll, but your colors came out and we can see you for the douchetard you truly are now....just leave now..... it will save you some face when Texas skullfuks your domers and you decide to never come back again... probably keep Texas fans from tracking you down afterwards to smash you with the retard diatribe crap you have been posting here.

The only foolish thing here is you acting like a dick after being called out for being a hypocrite, and then having the audacity to act like it is the other way...

 

[TheDecker]

SPOILER ALERT!!! You are a tool..... and nobody cares anymore.... you have been douche-speaking to us for awhile now... like i stated many threads ago, you started off OK, but now you are just annoying.... actually though you seem to be acting like a normal gomer....telling us how our team isnt as good as your team.. finding ways to make similar accomplishments look like nothing for us, but they are strengths for you.... ignoring continuity aspects to your own logic to spin a bad for Texas in to a good if it is happening to ND....

You just continue to live in your safe green and gold world..... however come game 1 - prepare to have your asses handed to you in a hurry.... might just be best to stop discussion till that point.... although I have a feeling that after Texas wins we dont see any of the domer fans over here anymore...

I think all your anger has confused you

In fact, I'm the one pointing our that you can't say "Frosh All-America LB #1 is going to be a SUPER-STUD for my team" while in the very next sentence saying "Frosh All-American LB #2 is a MAJOR WEAKNESS for your team"

That's an actual example of inconsistency, which I pointed out, and was using to discuss the status of the ND LB core and how the stack up against Texas

Not sure why it made you so mad???





Pointing out that the pool of True Frosh who play is INCREDIBLY VARIABLE by position (such at the OL having far fewer) isn't inconsistent at all

That's just a fact, and something that needs to be considered when analyzing a team as well

 

[TheDecker]

THIS came from you? Go choke yourself on a large bag on penis.THIS is all you and your retard buddy have been doing since you got here.....NOBODY fron Texas was trying to spin shit this wayuntillong after how you told us something on our side was no good and then came back a few posts later and explained how what was detrimental to uswas actually a strength for nd.... you keep moving the parameters all over the place just so you CAN act like a douche.....

the only foolish one around here are you and your buddy farly....you 2 idiots have been operating outside of reality for weeks to this point.... and then you went full retard when you suggest it is Texas fans trying to pump one and dump the other... even though I ****ING CALLED YOU OUT ON THIS CRAP LOOOONG AGO...... NOBODY started doing it for Texas until we noticed how you and yours were totally incapable of applying the same guidelines to each team... go back and read junior - i have been caling you and the other tard out for awhil eover this... and now you act like it was Texas fans to start with using the double standard crap you have been preaching since the day you got here.....

EVEY single post you make only further solidifies my belief that you are a troll- even a well disguised troll, but your colors came out and we can see you for the douchetard you truly are now....just leave now..... it will save you some face when Texas skullfuks your domers and you decide to never come back again... probably keep Texas fans from tracking you down afterwards to smash you with the retard diatribe crap you have been posting here.

The only foolish thing here is you acting like a dick after being called out for being a hypocrite, and then having the audacity to act like it is the other way...

Wow........got off the meds this morning?

I think I'll stay and continue CALMLY discussing actual football

You may want to try to do the same, since you're just embarrassing yourself and your fan base with this type of crap

 

[oldhorn2]

Decker started out as a good poster. He said he wanted to discuss the game and for a while we all had a good discussion.For some reason he drifted away from legitimately discussing the teams to something else. Decker gradually slipped from having a good discussion to telling us how all our statements were bogus. In the end, I got the idea that he wanted to give us all the reasons why ND was going to not only win the game but would be great, and he was getting more and more upset that we were not agreeing with all his points.

Damn!...we all agreed that ND on paper should win this game. That wasnt good enough.I am from South Texas and I wont go titties up to anyone even though I only have a rock and they have a gun and a knife. That attitude has gotten my ass whipped on occasion, but I can limp away with my head held high.

I dont have a problem with farley and I like back and forth smack. Lets have a good game with no injuries on either side.

 

[LonghornSoldier]

I think all your anger has confused you

In fact, I'm the one pointing our that you can't say "Frosh All-America LB #1 is going to be a SUPER-STUD for my team" while in the very next sentence saying "Frosh All-American LB #2 is a MAJOR WEAKNESS for your team"

That's an actual example of inconsistency, which I pointed out, and was using to discuss the status of the ND LB core and how the stack up against Texas

Not sure why it made you so mad???





Pointing out that the pool of True Frosh who play is INCREDIBLY VARIABLE by position (such at the OL having far fewer) isn't inconsistent at all

That's just a fact, and something that needs to be considered when analyzing a team as well

It made me mad bc that is not what you started off saying.... even other posters are calling you out for troll like behaviour..... YOU started the hypocrisy stuff, and it actually had nothing to do with the fresh AA stuff either.... had you tell us that our o-line would be trash without any real experience etc, when you have less coming back on the lines than we do, and we bring back freshman AA's...... which is where you started your value system of AA at variou slevels to force your point... you took negatives or unceratins for Texas - lack of depth/experience and turned them into good things for ND using stuff about how back ups got good reps, and they picked up what they needed to in off season etc etc etc... yet then you turn around and tell us that the lines we have are going to be suspect bc we dont bring back alot of talent/depth etc etc... JUST LIKE ND yet you felt it was easily overcomable and even a good thing for ND to be dealing with it.... then you went on about the defense, etc etc....

Yall lost more talent than we did from last year - but what we lost will doom us, and what yall lost doesnt matter bc your backups from last year will be starting.... NONE of that makes any sense....

Oh and btw - thought it was really cute the way you tried to bait me in to something stupid with your "calmly discuss football" post - it does show everyone that you are in fact trolling this board and being everything i said you were.

It seems while you were "calmly" discussing anything - in between backhand compliments, straight slights and absense of reality - everyone else saw you for what your colors truly are.... trollish... and the more you post and the more you say, the less anyone here cares what you have to say, and the less respect you have from anyone here.

JUst kick rocks junior... got PAGES of you acting like an idiot and doing what you are good at troll.... just leave before you catch a boot from the site... I can see it coming already..... lol

Oh and Texas still wins by 2 scores this year.... and when they do, you have my permission to cry like a baby before wandering in to traffic on IH-35. Have a nice day and may your catholic priests stop molesting little boys! Surprised it was Penn Sate and not ND that had Sandusky issues now that I think about it... but im sure yall have your own version in the works...

 

[TheDecker]

Decker started out as a good poster. He said he wanted to discuss the game and for a while we all had a good discussion.For some reason he drifted away from legitimately discussing the teams to something else. Decker gradually slipped from having a good discussion to telling us how all our statements were bogus. In the end, I got the idea that he wanted to give us all the reasons why ND was going to not only win the game but would be great, and he was getting more and more upset that we were not agreeing with all his points.

Damn!...we all agreed that ND on paper should win this game. That wasnt good enough.I am from South Texas and I wont go titties up to anyone even though I only have a rock and they have a gun and a knife. That attitude has gotten my ass whipped on occasion, but I can limp away with my head held high.

I dont have a problem with farley and I like back and forth smack. Lets have a good game with no injuries on either side.

I haven't asked anyone to go titties up nor predict ND to win the game, at all.

I've asked Texas fans to cite areas where they see advantages, and defend those statements from fact-based scrutiny.

For example, I've pointed out facts like:

1. ND doesn't need to replace all 3 starting LBs from 2015 (as claimed by some Texas fans)
2. ND also has a Frosh All-American LB that will be starting in 2016
3. ND does have retuning starters at DT, RB, DB, etc even though we lost 2015 starters at those same positions (due to previously injured starters returning)
4. According to Rivals, ND has actually had the higher ranked (or better) recruiting class each of the last 4 years...so we shouldn't have some big talent deficient to Texas, even among our younger players
5. Etc, etc, etc

Having a back and forth about what you see, what I see, and what interesting/concerning

Not sure how that kind of discussion is so upsetting...