Absolutely furious with Herman

[4MNChampsHorn]

What’s wrong with saying good job but we need to get better? Isn’t that what every coach should be telling his players and most fan bases should expect. It was a great win tonight defense played well, new guys stepped up, and they took advantage of mistakes. That’s all awesome. Offense was still a massive struggle(despite having great field position most of the night) that’s a continued issue going in to 2018(which is what bowl games are really about these days). Nothing wrong with talking about that. Am I happy we won? Yes. Am I happy we reeled in a top 3 recruiting class? Absolutely. However none of that really changes my wait and see approach to 2018... if that makes me anti Herman, or anti Texas, or ban worthy even thas fine, but I think it’s pretty reasonable given the last 7-8 years of Texas football.

Sometimes congrats & the good stuff are enough. Always say more positive than negative. Here is an analogy.

We are married to UT football. As your wife, when UT football does a great job & looks good - say it, without reminding your wife of how bad she looked yesterday, last week, or last month.

As your wife, UT football enjoys compliments from you & finds it difficult to stay married to you if you criticize her each day.

 

[Older Fan]

The kids loved it and that's who he is coaching so go for it. This team needs some "edge"to it, it's been passive way too long !! HookEm

 

[LongfellowDrew]

The kids loved it and that's who he is coaching so go for it. This team needs some "edge"to it, it's been passive way too long !! HookEm

Agree! Texas has been known to be soft since Mack left even before Mack left. This program needs some arrogance and swagger even if the coach takes the brunt of the attacks. The only other time I remember this program mocking someone or firing back was when we played Arizona (I think) the whole sideline kept repeating the QB's name because he too talked smack during the Pre-Bowl team gatherings. I like it and I highly doubt you'll see TH do something like that again.

 

[TexExSpur]

you fvking piece of sh!t, youre the head damn coach. you do not mock the opponents quarterback. ever. We are the University of Texas you need to be better that that. especially when you just went 7-6.

Don't be a pussy! He's a players coach.....

 

[TexExSpur]

hey guys he mocked the opponent in a bowl game that he won. that gave us a 7-6 record. there is no justifying it.

He celebrated with his players, it was Ehlinger that got him rolling, lol. GTFO

 

[bubba2023]

Agree with the GTFO sentiments. I don't have a problem with it, but I also don't get my panties in a bunch when I see horns down, nor do I pretend that football is a gentlemen's game.

 

[Belldozer1]

Personally I have no problem with what Herman did, just as I have no problem with Mayfield’s antics. The team feeds off it. Would I behave like Herman or Mayfield if I were in that situation? Uh, no.

 

[Belldozer1]

I will add that first off the Missouri qb’s touchdown celebration was awkwardly embarrassing to watch wtf was that? Secondly, if you’re going to do something like that save it for the td that wins the game or at least a Td that gives your team the lead.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

I will add that first off the Missouri qb’s touchdown celebration was awkwardly embarrassing to watch wtf was that? Secondly, if you’re going to do something like that save it for the rd that wins the game or at least a Td that gives your team the lead.

Yeah I thought the same thing. Why add fuel to the fire when you haven't even caught up and are still 7 away from a tie game. That game had already started off chippy with the Missouri player saying he was going to do the Horns down when he scored during a luncheon and then during pregame. It was bound to get interesting when Lock did his celebration and stared down the whole Longhorn sideline.

 

[HornDrummer]

Loved every bit of it. Having to take the high road all the damn time gets really old. Don’t make it about us, and there won’t be a problem.

 

[DHHorn]

Yeah, at first I was kind of put off by it but then I heard how the Mizz players have been talking trash and throwing the horns down all week. Sounds like they started it by trying to get in our heads. No problem with Herman having fun with his players and mocking the other teams cockiness.

 

[ASURAM2010]

I missed the Mizzou celebration so I had no idea he was "mocking" a player. All I know is his sideline loved it, his players loved, his locker room loved it.

Also, did yall catch the post game trophy presentation? Herman did not mince any words when we talked about the players that stayed and went through bowl prep versus the players that didn't. Based on that comment along with the comments of some players on social media, it appears to me that the group of players who didn't stick around had an axe to grind and Herman was not letting it happen and was almost relieved to let them get out of the way. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But it appeared that the players that were there last night actually wanted to be there and it showed.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

missed the Mizzou celebration

 

[TexExSpur]

Ehlinger got Herman fired up after Ehlinger threw a block to spring Armanti Foreman for an 18 yard TD to ice the game.... The rest is history.

The kid shown above handled it better than some of the tools on this board and elsewhere without any skin in the game. He even said he would have dug it had it been his coach, lol...

 

[mm42]

That kid appears to have Tourette's syndrome. He should not be mocked.

I refuse to believe that was on purpose.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

That kid appears to have Tourette's syndrome. He should not be mocked.

I refuse to believe that was on purpose.

Lol. Those are intentional motor movements that start and end after he scores a TD.

 

[mm42]

Lol. Those are intentional motor movements that start and end after he scores a TD.

I know. It was just so awkward.

Pretty sure he is a huge cokehead. I am serious about that.

 

[thedawg27]

Recruits love that stuff. It’s attitude, and a taste of Missouri’s own medicine. Coaches have put the horns down and their fans not only love it but join them. Herman has a little fun and some fans act like Texas is all high and mighty. Texas wins when they have a little swagger and attitude. Recruits flock to teams that play with a chip on their shoulder and with pride. Herman was pumping juice into that team. The penalties on the last drive however were unacceptable. But to point one gesture that an opposing teams QBs did while staring down our sideline is a waste of time.

Recruits absolutely love that stuff. DaShaun White said this morning that it was funny and it shows that Herman likes to have fun. We can’t have a Sumlin on our sidelines

 

[bubba2023]

Yeah if you are going to throw that down early in a close game you should expect to be mocked.

 

[oldhorn2]

I loved it. I cant say "good on Herman" enough.Did it lack class?....well, of course it did, but that isnt the point. For too damned long Texas has been soft and known as a soft team. Not since Fred Akers have we been a "tough" team. Even when we won the Natty in 2005 we were somewhat soft. We would not put our foot on an opponents neck and start to stomp. That wasnt Mack's style to embarass an opponent....and it cost us a Natty in 2008 and 2009.

Hermans biggest challenge has been to change the culture and that one gesture did more to do that than any amount of hard assed practices. I am hoping against hope that he sent the message that Texas is no longer a team to be ridiculed. In case you didnt notice....he won the team over right then and there.Every time they showed the sideline a player was going to Herman and showing love and respect. I say we can end all worries about whether Herman has lost the locker room.

It isnt like misery did not deserve what they got.We were disrespected and we just gave back more than we got.Too damned bad.

 

[bubba2023]

How did any of that cost us an natty in 08 and 09? We lost late in the season to Tech in 08 that cost us our seat. It wouldn't have mattered if we were crushing teams by 50 points early on. A late loss in the BCS format was a nail in the coffin. In 09 we were playing for the natty and lost Colt to injury? I don't understand your point unless you are saying Colt wasn't injured and should have played through it.

I think you are painting general Mack Brown criticisms with a wide brush. There were teams of his that were absolutely tough.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Even when we won the Natty in 2005 we were somewhat soft.

Eh disagree with this. I've watched that season over and over again and nothing about that team was soft. We might not have ran up the score to 80 and we could have but we demolished almost every team. Our D was swag central and our O was too. I wouldn't call that team soft the least bit.

 

[Cotton #12]

Herman is Herman,not DKR, IT was no doubt a great relief for him that his program took a much needed positive step.

 

[clob94]

If you don’t like Tom you’ll find something to irk you. Wasn’t surprised to see a thread with a problem.

Fify .......... sorry. I hate being a spelling Nazi.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

 

[LongfellowDrew]

I hate being a spelling Nazi.

Nah thanks for looking out. LOL!

 

[oldhorn2]

Glad you asked. Macks refusal to ever run up the score caused him to have to leave the first team in almost all game. His reserves did not get many Reps in important situations. We came damned close to beating Bama as it was. The game was in doubt with less than 4 minutes in the game. Gilbert as it happened was essentially getting his first playing time....as a freshman...in a damned Natty. I for one think had he EVER been put in a game to get some experience before that moment, he most likely would have played just a little better.

As for 2008....we lost the chance to even play in the Natty because OU was selected over us due in part by a crooked Art Bryles vote that had OU # 1 and us not ranked. None the less...we were done in by the polls as much as by that drop of the game ending INT. Had Mack run up a few scores, we would have FORCED our way to the top of the polls.

Soft teams rarely prevail.

 

[mm42]

Missouri was chippy because they load up on third tier Texas kids every year. Many of their players grew up Texas fans, but they were not good enough to be recruited by Texas. Makes sense to me. DeLoss Dodds was also his normal smug self about Missouri. Any coach would have played that up, so I get why they were so chippy. But they were still soft. Talking shit and being tough is not the same thing. Other than a couple defensive lineman and a receiver or 2, they were totally outclassed. Their best safety was probably 5'8.

 

[clob94]

I think, and may be I'm wrong, that the mizzu qb was "putting on his jacket" like a pimp would after exiting his merlot Cadillac brougham on his way into the night club.



Couple things:
1. You ain't a pimp. You never will be a pimp. Don't act like a pimp.
2. You ain't black. Stop trying to act like you are, and especially a "black pimp".

It wasn't cool. It was just as freaking stupid as Johnny Manziel and his dumb a$$ money fingers.

When in doubt, just don't.

 

[henric4]

Our team needed a huge infusion of confidence and attitude. I love that he called that reverse for Foreman instead of taking a knee. I love that Wheeler tried to take the receiver's head off at the end of the game. I loved the late hit on the qb on the last drive. All of that tells the team that this is the attitude and effort we need to take into the offseason. I'm sure a lot of recruits liked the way we finished.

This + 1000..Hell Yeas!!!!

 

[bubba2023]

Glad you asked. Macks refusal to ever run up the score caused him to have to leave the first team in almost all game. His reserves did not get many Reps in important situations. We came damned close to beating Bama as it was. The game was in doubt with less than 4 minutes in the game. Gilbert as it happened was essentially getting his first playing time....as a freshman...in a damned Natty. I for one think had he EVER been put in a game to get some experience before that moment, he most likely would have played just a little better.

As for 2008....we lost the chance to even play in the Natty because OU was selected over us due in part by a crooked Art Bryles vote that had OU # 1 and us not ranked. None the less...we were done in by the polls as much as by that drop of the game ending INT. Had Mack run up a few scores, we would have FORCED our way to the top of the polls.

Soft teams rarely prevail.

I completely disagree. Not that Mack didn't have some soft teams but I think you are misremembering too much. Or maybe I am, the last decade has certainly caused me to drink away a few brain cells.

 

[oldhorn2]

what did I mis remember?

 

[UTGrad87]

Put me in the 'I loved it' camp.

 

[ddavis130]

1 constant about OrangeBloods & most UT sites is you’re f*cked if u do & f*cked if u don’t.

 

[bubba2023]

what did I mis remember?

Briles didn't have us unranked he had us 5th or something which your argument has no bearing on because he would have done that regardless. 08 had everything to do with the format of the BCS and timing of our loss and OU completely destroying Tech the last game, and nothing to do with how much we won by in early weeks. BTW we blew out lots of foes.

In 09 we were in the title game and lost our starting QB. Our Backup QB, Garret Gilbert, turned out to be absolute dog shit with experience so I don't understand your argument? We probably shouldn't have let Harris run off before the year, but that has nothing to do with being tough.