Big 12 expansion..Big 14??
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While true, the Pac-12's long-term fundamentals are still significantly better than the Big 12's. Just compare the populations and population growth rates of the two conferences' territories. The Pac-12 destroys the Big 12 in these regards, and the available realistic expansion candidates largely command such small followings that their additions wouldn't materially change this.
Hell no to the Cincinnati, UCF, So. Florida, Memphis, UConn types. I'd rather the Big 12 stand pat at 10 teams than to add schools like that.
That'll be great when futbol becomes the national pastime cause right now it isn't doing crap for them.
But right now is not the point. That long-term consideration is one reason (among several others) why some members of the Pac-12 who are unhappy with current management will nevertheless be willing to tolerate their present displeasure and remain in the conference.
I have read that the Arizona schools are not to please with the PAC and even to the extent of Arkansas. I don't see no Colorado back to the 12 at all.
Adding schools. I wouldn't go to 14. That makes an uneven schedule which many schools in the SEC doesn't care for. I would go to 16 and try to pry the AZ schools away.
NORTH: OU, OSU, ISU, KU, KSU, WV, Cincy & maybe Uconn
SOUTH: TT, TCU, BU, UT, NM, AZ, ASU & BYU
I know folks wouldn't like this but if 16 is the mark and we could pry the AZ schools. It would be ideal
NORTH: OU, OSU, ISU, KU, KSU, WV, Cincy & maybe Uconn
SOUTH: TT, TCU, BU, UT, NM, AZ, ASU & BYU
I know folks wouldn't like this but if 16 is the mark and we could pry the AZ schools. It would be ideal
UT and OU need to just join B10 already.
Big10 West
UT
OU
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Illinois
Big10 East
Northwestern
MSU
UofM
OSU
PSU
Indiana
Purdue
Big10 West
UT
OU
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Illinois
Big10 East
Northwestern
MSU
UofM
OSU
PSU
Indiana
Purdue
Please no. I hate, hate, HATE the idea of joining the Big Ten.
We missed our opportunity for an easy exit. We just need to worry about getting back to winning. I don't know enough to say when or where we will end up, but adding teams now would be a mistake.
We need a full time AD, and need to be working on an exit strategy .
My first choice would be a combo of ACC / Big 12 with ND.
We need a full time AD, and need to be working on an exit strategy .
My first choice would be a combo of ACC / Big 12 with ND.
ACC has 14, ND would be 15. How many big 12 teams could you add? 1 and go to 16. Conferences games at Syracuse and BC. We would be better off adding Houston and Memphis to the Big 12
Not adding all of teams from each conference. 6 from each. Make it a strong Football / Basketball conference.
Texas, TT, TCU, OU ,OSU and Kansas
FSU , Clemson, UNC, Duke, Notre Dame, Miami
This would be what I would want over joining B1G or PAC 12 or SEC.
I' m not sure what our REAL options are at this point.
Texas, TT, TCU, OU ,OSU and Kansas
FSU , Clemson, UNC, Duke, Notre Dame, Miami
This would be what I would want over joining B1G or PAC 12 or SEC.
I' m not sure what our REAL options are at this point.
Current ACC members aren't going to vote themselves out of the conference and there is the whole grant of rights thing. I think its 20 years to the ACC. They are locked up and they may try to get ND to become a full member and possibly one other school to go to 16.
Right now its best just to wait it out. Try and poach some PAC 12 teams, their deal comes up in 2023
Right now its best just to wait it out. Try and poach some PAC 12 teams, their deal comes up in 2023
As long as we're dreaming, why not throw Alabama, LSU, Michigan, Ohio State, UCLA and USC into the mix?
HornsRuleU---I was just throwing out what I had wanted when all of this realignment mess first started. There was seemingly enough panic back then that almost anything was possible. Sorry, I wasn't very clear about it.
Again, I'm not sure of what our REAL options are as of right now. I know that expansion of what's out there is my least favorite option.
I know Texas will always be an attractive addition to any conference, and the potential to find a better landing spot exists. It's just hard to have faith when they blew it the first time.
Again, I'm not sure of what our REAL options are as of right now. I know that expansion of what's out there is my least favorite option.
I know Texas will always be an attractive addition to any conference, and the potential to find a better landing spot exists. It's just hard to have faith when they blew it the first time.
Texas is keeping all options open, let the conference expand and simply do not extend GOR... It will all take care of itself. Either the conference does well with new members and the pro rata TV money or Texas and OU move on in a few years. Not one conference is in a hurry to get to 16.
hahahaha, totally forgot Rutgers and Maryland even have football programs
Big10 West
UT
OU
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Illinois
Northwestern (games vs UT would have to be at Soldier Field)
Big10 East
MSU
UofM
OSU
PSU
Indiana
Purdue
Rutgers
Maryland
Big 12 football coaches favor Houston, BYU in expansion, ESPN poll shows
http://espn.go.com/college-football...cougars-byu-cougars-expansion-espn-poll-shows
"With the exception of independent BYU and the Mountain West's Colorado State, all of the expansion candidates are members of the American Athletic Conference." Thanks, Boren and Bowlsby (Dumb and Dumber). Just call us the "Big American Conference". I can hear it now.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...cougars-byu-cougars-expansion-espn-poll-shows
"With the exception of independent BYU and the Mountain West's Colorado State, all of the expansion candidates are members of the American Athletic Conference." Thanks, Boren and Bowlsby (Dumb and Dumber). Just call us the "Big American Conference". I can hear it now.
"With the exception of independent BYU and the Mountain West's Colorado State, all of the expansion candidates are members of the American Athletic Conference." Thanks, Boren and Bowlsby (Dumb and Dumber). Just call us the "Big American Conference". I can hear it now.
Since we're talking about taking four of these useless schools, maybe we should go with "Big Commuter Conference."
If you cant entice Arkansas, Utah, or another power 5 school (slim slim chance I know but the $$$ for a school like that joining the Big 12 is actually enticing) then this is how I would rank the Big 12's (limited) options and I think you would have to add 4 (if not 6).. request that some of the new entries will make a slightly smaller amount than the original members so that the current membership doesnt take a cut.
1. BYU -- large national following, solid brand... football only?
2. Houston -- cement the Big 12s presence in Houston, school that has made up some ground and is putting the resources in place
3. UConn -- Basketball powerhouse, large TV market, ESPN, good state school
4. Memphis -- FedEx $$$, solid basketball program, making strides with their football program
5. Air Force/Colorado State -- either one, really just to give BYU a partner out West
6. Cincinnati
7. Florida schools
If it's the first 4 above, then East/West divisions with most of the original members in the West. 8 conference games, rotating 2 teams from the opposite division every year. This would allow conference members to pad their records (and pockets) with an extra home game against weak competition (like the SEC). Also with only 8 conference games teams like Texas and/or Kansas would be able to resume playing lost rivalry games if they so choose. You would want teams in the East to also have inroads into Texas for recruiting purposes.
West:
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Baylor
BYU
Iowa State
East:
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia
Memphis
UCONN
TCU
Houston
While the West would be the far stronger division, it really doesnt change much for those teams from what they're doing now, and a solid team would emerge every year in the East making for a compelling championship game. Very good basketball league as well.
1. BYU -- large national following, solid brand... football only?
2. Houston -- cement the Big 12s presence in Houston, school that has made up some ground and is putting the resources in place
3. UConn -- Basketball powerhouse, large TV market, ESPN, good state school
4. Memphis -- FedEx $$$, solid basketball program, making strides with their football program
5. Air Force/Colorado State -- either one, really just to give BYU a partner out West
6. Cincinnati
7. Florida schools
If it's the first 4 above, then East/West divisions with most of the original members in the West. 8 conference games, rotating 2 teams from the opposite division every year. This would allow conference members to pad their records (and pockets) with an extra home game against weak competition (like the SEC). Also with only 8 conference games teams like Texas and/or Kansas would be able to resume playing lost rivalry games if they so choose. You would want teams in the East to also have inroads into Texas for recruiting purposes.
West:
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Baylor
BYU
Iowa State
East:
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia
Memphis
UCONN
TCU
Houston
While the West would be the far stronger division, it really doesnt change much for those teams from what they're doing now, and a solid team would emerge every year in the East making for a compelling championship game. Very good basketball league as well.
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Texas is the gold standard in the state of Texas. Were not talking about individual years in which smaller schools are having the greatest season in their schools history. Were talking about the value of a program relative to the demand in conference realignment. Texas is rebuilding but they're still the alpha dog.
It is certainly being considered. BYU is the favorite of the coaches according to a recent poll. West Virginia is not going to be dropped
well the addition of those two schools is the reason the B1G is getting a huge pump in TV money. Remember, TV doesn't care about wins it cares about TV sets and RU brought more than anyone.
Why not?
I personally hate it. I am a fan of local and closer regional matchups. For the student athletes travel. For the alumni/students/fans that want to go to games.
That being said, everyone is going bigger....further away for more TV sets. 3 times zones is even more spread out for TV.
I like BYU, UH, UCF, Cincy, Boise St, Memphis, Colorado St. Kinda in that order. It would be cool to steal AZ or AZ St. And a dream to get LSU and Arky. Or even Nebraska, Notre Dame, Mizzou, or Aggie back.
The three timezone thing really hurts viewership numbers especially the late mountain time games in the eastern time zone . It was one of the big sticking points about joining the PAC. You need 8 schools to approve a new member. You try and add schools out west and its going to be an automatic no vote from WVU. I doubt Baylor would vote for BYU. BYU, Boise, Colorado St. are most likely out if we are keeping WV. No current ACC team will be able to leave, No B1G team is going to give up the money. I doubt the Arizona teams would leave. They need SoCal recruiting. I don't know if they could replace that with Texas. ND is locked in with ACC and their NBC deal complicates things. So we are left with Memphis, USF, UCF, Cincy and UH. None of those schools add any value to our current TV Contract. We are currently # 3 in TV revenue behind B1G and SEC and that doesn't include 3rd tier rights. We can afford to wait and get some power 5 teams.
Curious as to why some folks on here think it's a great move to go 14? I just think the two 7 team conference is not a great move just ask the SEC schools if they like it. A 12 team or 16 team would be ideal. It would be balance with either two 6 team divisions or two 8 team divisions. The 12 team was great when it was 12 teams. The 16 teams would have a school play 7 schools in there division and play 2 from the other division with it alternating every 2 years. Play 3 out of conference games to get a total 12 games. Add the championship, that's 13. I think OU and UT needs to be separated in order to balance the conference strength. The problem with all of this is---- who would you invite? Some folks say UofH but that wouldn't work with the other Texas schools. BYU and Cincy are the no brainers to get to 12. WV would be excited with the addition of Cincy. BYU is super far, so would conference be happy? You bet your butt they would be. I think you would have to close the gap between BYU and TT. That's why a Colorado St and or New Mexico would make sense. That gives you 14. How about Sweetin up the deal with the AZ schools. That would be 16. There's so many ways this can go. All I can say is sit back for the ride.
