I'm all for the 16 team playoff. But coaches are different from players. Unless they are alums (which are few and far between) - they are mercenaries trying to get a jump start at succeeding at the next job. (And yes I think it is sorry when coaches leave early.) However, the player is a student athlete - I like to think he is one of us. If not, then we are no different than the pros.
Fournette and McCaffrey will sit out the bowl.
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College is just AAA for the NFL for the top guys. Not that they don't love their school many of them do. But if it comes to a decision of playing In a game that is more or less an exabition for free and risking the opportunity to make millions most guys are going to make the business decssion. Especially now that a few guys have started the snow ball rolling
Guys most colleges lose money on bowls. When you get invited you have to buy a certain amount of tickets from the bowl. If you don't sell them then you eat the cost. Then there is travel, food, and housing for around 120 people for 5-7 days plus the player per deium for bowl practice after the dorms and dining halls close.
I'm all for freedom of speech and certainly don't want to shut anyone down, but...
The day that you win that many games for Texas is the day that I'll listen to you speculate negatively about Colt McCoy. All I'm sayin'.
I understand it and can't fault them. But I hate it. It is not at all what I would do.
They are placing themselves above their school and their teammates. That's not showing much love for their school
To be fair, LF has been hurt all year and the Citrus Bowl against Louisville isn't important enough to risk further injury. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jamal Adams, Kendall Beckwith and Davon Godchaux play very little if at all in the game since it is pointless. Now if this was a Fiesta Bowl against Michigan they would all likely play.
I will be at the Sun Bowl next week. I'm disappointed that the starting running backs for both Stanford & North Carolina are sitting it out. However, I understand why.
Stanford's running back is highly unlikely to improve his draft stock with a stellar performance. He has proved plenty and has a lot to lose with an injury in a meaningless bowl game.
For similar reasons, North Carolina's running back needs a stellar 2017 season more than a standout Sun Bowl game (for the 2018 NFL draft). This guy didn't rush for 1,000 yards in 2016 (he rushed for more than a 1,000 in 2015).
Stanford's running back is highly unlikely to improve his draft stock with a stellar performance. He has proved plenty and has a lot to lose with an injury in a meaningless bowl game.
For similar reasons, North Carolina's running back needs a stellar 2017 season more than a standout Sun Bowl game (for the 2018 NFL draft). This guy didn't rush for 1,000 yards in 2016 (he rushed for more than a 1,000 in 2015).
Let me ask you this. Let's say you were a student at UT. You love the school and proud to attend. After the fall semester of your sr year you are offered a 7 figure job but it requires you to leave school. Does that mean you don't care about the university? The only reason some of these players are in school this long is because the NFL requires 3 years.
The worst ones are the ones who can't take the truth, ask Freddie Steimark about that pain and he still played Hornsrule! He won a lot but not on the Big one..
Hook'em
The injury was to Colt's throwing arm FB. Have you ever had a stinger? Tried throwing the ball after getting one? It is almost impossible to have any power at all. Nerve pain is different than any other kind of pain. He tried to throw and he could not....period. It had NOTHING to do with not playing through pain or the NFL.
I don't have teammates and fans (who've invested thousands in my team) in my classes. And, for apples to apples comparison - in academics, the season is over at the end of the semester. Football season is over when all the games are completed.
I respect your opinion but disagree. How much are those seat licenses that support the athletic program? How much are those season tickets? Forget the cash - how do you put a price on the emotional attachment of a fan to his team? If the player wants to spit in the face of his fan, then he will soon find the money dries up and he will be left with no sport to play. Without the emotional tie, there is no game (McCaffrey, Fournette and Linwood are already stating by their actions that playing for the love of the game itself is not enough of an enticement).
I get your argument. But if there were no fans then there would be no football and if there were no football there would be no scholarship to offer. The NFL would have to get their players from high schools then I guess....but most players don't go to the NFL anyway. They do get a chance at an education though...because of the fans paying the money. Heck the NFL is getting paid because of the fans at the end of the day. I think anybody getting paid to play ANYTHING which includes scholarships and cost of attendance owes the fans a lot.
Scholarships have been around a long time, long before college football was a billion dollar business. They are drops in the bucket. McCaffery isn't getting a proportional amount of fan dollars for him to owe them anything. By your logic a women's volleyball player would owe football fans as well.
They do. My larger point was without fans none of these athletes get scholarships. The professional athletes don't get paid without the fans. Fans are owed.
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The university gave them an opportunity, because of what the recruit can do for the school. They aren't handing out scholarships for good will. It's a business deal. It's a billion dollar business...the recruits get none of that money, and the education they get, doesn't compare to the money the schools make off these recruits, so they should protect themselves. Fans tend to hold players to a higher standard, than the coaches and university. That is usually the result of selfishness, on the fans part. College football happens to be the main route to the NFL, or they could get training elsewhere. College football makes it a business, coaches make it a business and will leave before a bowl game, see Tom Herman. Are you also upset with him? If those players get hurt, who is going to replace that money. Some sports professions are judged differently than any other career, because of the selfishness of fans.
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Who owes the fan? Do all entertainers owe fans? And if you are owed, who owes you? The people making billions...surely not the players in college football, that don't get their total worth. Are people owed for any merchandise they purchase? Do you not use the merchandise, do you not enjoy the entertainment? Why are you owed, for something you chose to pay for and got enjoyment or use out of. Those players owe it themselves, to do what's best for them...nobody gets judged like those in the sports profession. Can a fan give Jaylon Smith the money he missed out on. I don't mind anyone making it about money, when those around them made it about business. So be it.
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Universities take chances on players every time they each time they offer a scholarship. The programs make huge amounts of money for the schools. The program makes the money, not the players. Too bad some players think they are more valuable than the program and choose not to live up to their commitment. As far as Colt not playing because he didn't want to damage his changes of playing in the NFL, I believe that about like I believe Bush orchestrated the twin tower attack.
If players have to live up to the commitment and play in the bowl game why don't coaches have to coach it? It seems as if we only talk about commitment and loyalty when talking about players. Seems as the guys that are making millions can do whatever.
I don't have numbers in front of me but I think most coaches stay for their bowl game. Even though he was already named as the hc at Houston, Tom Herman stayed on at tOSU on thru their nc season..
Fans aren't owed anything. Especially when most of them are pissed LSU is in that bowl and not in the playoffs anyway. As far as teammates I'd bet most of them are good with it because o bet a lot of them know they'd probably do the same thing.
When coaches are involved in the national title game/games they typically do stay on. When they are in the other bowl games they typically don't. Which kind of proves the bowls are largely irrelevent in today's environment.
Exactly, Herman stayed for the NC...well so do players. Herman left Houston before their bowl game, because he wasn't playing for a NC...well so did these two players. If you're upset with them, why does Herman get a pass.
Haha they just said during the Sunbowl broadcast when McCaffrey addressed the team w/ his decision they gave him a standing ovation. 5. Guess we do know how his team members feel now.
Here is a problem with the "free education" argument. Athletes are held to a completely different standard than every other student. A regular student weather they are on scholarship or not is not precluded from earning or being given money. Athletes don't have the time to work and if you even give them a meal you risk their elgeblity.
If a music student writes a song and it becomes a hit thry don't lose their scholarship or financial aid benefits. If an English student writes a best selling novel they are allowed to collect that money and keep,any scholarships they've been given. So what's the difference? The difference is University and employees of University can't make millions off of those kids. The free education is great is a great benefit but you can't fault kids fir making buisness decisions because that's what all the "adults" are doing
If a music student writes a song and it becomes a hit thry don't lose their scholarship or financial aid benefits. If an English student writes a best selling novel they are allowed to collect that money and keep,any scholarships they've been given. So what's the difference? The difference is University and employees of University can't make millions off of those kids. The free education is great is a great benefit but you can't fault kids fir making buisness decisions because that's what all the "adults" are doing
Good point, Coaches are under contract so they should honor their agreement. If the coach and the school wish to move forward in the post season without the coach I have no issue. Did Texas buy out Herman's contract?
I was at the Sun Bowl yesterday, both Stanford & UNC looked average at best. Neither team was very physical.
Yeah Texas bought out hermans contract. Houston offered home and home football and basketball series to reduce the buyout Texas just paid the money.
