Got some Bad News My Dudes

[UT1997]

I know we all bleed orange, but unless a guy has some Longhorn or at least Texas roots, why would a Super Bowl winning coach come here? I hear Tomlin, Harbaugh, Carroll, Payton, Gruden, Cowher...

For that matter, has any Super Bowl (the ultimate trophy in football) winning coach returned to college ever? I only recall Bill Walsh, and he had deep Cailfornia\Stanford roots. Lombardi, Shula, Landry, Noll, Flores, Parcells, Belicheck, Johnson, Shanahan, Holmgren ... all either stay in the NFL, retire, or go to the booth.

 

[madcow12]

If they want to keep UT football irrelevant then keep charlie 5 more years. We will be the ISU and KS of the big 12.

 

[LonghornMM]

Pete Carroll isn't going to leave Seattle. If Strong is fired, we have to be realistic about who Texas could approach with a reasonable shot a getting them.

 

[Erichookem]

I don't know what to want anymore with this program..............but I think Clob is right, he gets another year.

 

[bubba2023]

I know we all bleed orange, but unless a guy has some Longhorn or at least Texas roots, why would a Super Bowl winning coach come here? I hear Tomlin, Harbaugh, Carroll, Payton, Gruden, Cowher...

For that matter, has any Super Bowl (the ultimate trophy in football) winning coach returned to college ever? I only recall Bill Walsh, and he had deep Cailfornia\Stanford roots. Lombardi, Shula, Landry, Noll, Flores, Parcells, Belicheck, Johnson, Shanahan, Holmgren ... all either stay in the NFL, retire, or go to the booth.

It's just pipe dreams. The reality of it is that we would have a difficult time convincing highly successful coaches of other P5 programs to come here much less NFL guys. I don't care where ESPN ranks Texas as far as jobs go, we either get someone for the lower tier schools (which isn't necessarily bad) or you get someone who hasn't proven a whole lot at a P5 school like Fedora or Mack (they may not be bad either).

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I know we all bleed orange, but unless a guy has some Longhorn or at least Texas roots, why would a Super Bowl winning coach come here? I hear Tomlin, Harbaugh, Carroll, Payton, Gruden, Cowher...

For that matter, has any Super Bowl (the ultimate trophy in football) winning coach returned to college ever? I only recall Bill Walsh, and he had deep Cailfornia\Stanford roots. Lombardi, Shula, Landry, Noll, Flores, Parcells, Belicheck, Johnson, Shanahan, Holmgren ... all either stay in the NFL, retire, or go to the booth.

1. This job is better than most NFL jobs
2. You win and you are a god in this state.
3. Texas is one of the only jobs that can pay a college coach on the level of an NFL coach
4. A winning coach would have no problem attracting the top recruits in the country.
5. Saban sucked in the NFL, one of those named coaches would kill it on this level
6. College game offers a much greater level of job security and longevity. Who was the last NFL coach to spend 20 years with one franchise?

 

[diadevic]

1. This job is better than most NFL jobs
2. You win and you are a god in this state.
3. Texas is one of the only jobs that can pay a college coach on the level of an NFL coach
4. A winning coach would have no problem attracting the top recruits in the country.
5. Saban sucked in the NFL, one of those named coaches would kill it on this level
6. College game offers a much greater level of job security and longevity. Who was the last NFL coach to spend 20 years with one franchise?

On a side note - during OU/Baylor game, they said that Stoops was the longest tenured coach in D-1 at 18 years. How time flies.

 

[dj701919]

Before you start asking...... I ain't saying sh!t. So don't bother.

Had a chin wag this morning and I was told that there are members of the BOR that have dug their heels in and refuse to fire charlie until his 5 years are up. Like, they are DEMANDING that he be given his full 5 years to coach.

I was told that there are BOR members literally pitching a fit about him being let go........ this could be a long offseason.

Sounds like cooler heads will prevail.

 

[bubba2023]

1. This job is better than most NFL jobs
2. You win and you are a god in this state.
3. Texas is one of the only jobs that can pay a college coach on the level of an NFL coach
4. A winning coach would have no problem attracting the top recruits in the country.
5. Saban sucked in the NFL, one of those named coaches would kill it on this level
6. College game offers a much greater level of job security and longevity. Who was the last NFL coach to spend 20 years with one franchise?

I somewhat disagree with #1. First of all it's all in the eye of the beholder, and there are certainly bad NFL franchises where HC at Oklahoma State is more prestigious, but I think it not so much job based, but personality based. The NFL attracts different personalities than college. The pools don't seem to intersect that often. Until there is tangible evidence of talks, this is all pipe dreams imo.

2. That can be said for lots of programs. Texas is not unique in that matter. I am not even sure what this means anymore. The HC at any major program is going to make millions upon millions even if they are terrible. What actual perks come with being treated as a god? It's not money anymore because even the bad ones are making money. I think this idea harps back to the old days when salaries weren't ridiculous, but certain coaches could walk into any restaurant or bar and everything was comped, and they were setup for life with plenty of booster ready to shell high paying no show jobs in retirement. They may still be comped but who cares with their salaries?

3. Not any more. Lots of programs can pay big money these days with TV money and what not. But going back to #1 coaches don't just chase $ every time their contract is up or else they would be constantly moving around much like free agents do.

4. How often does that happen at the college level? I don't hiring a coach at either level is seen as a 20 year decision anymore. Or at least it shouldn't be. Especially when the 2 premier coaches at this level have shown to be mercenaries.

 

[TexExSpur]

So if Herman is hired by USC like some are saying. We are going to find out pretty quick if we made the right move.

USC? They have turned a corner... He's not headed to USC.

 

[TexExSpur]

Chuck is back in 2017 and I always figured he would get at least 4 years.

 

[bubba2023]

Chuck is back in 2017 and I always figured he would get at least 4 years.

He beats Kansas and we are bowl eligible he's back. The only thing that prevents it is maybe horrible butt kicking by TCU and a bad bowl loss. I guess that's possible, but they aren't the TCU of the last two years, and we aren't going to get matched up with a world beater in the bowl game.

 

[ryan_sublett]

An elite college job is about the same if not better than an NFL job.

1. Money is about the same.
2. More work/life balance in college
3. Don't have to worry about the buisness side
4. Job security. You win you have a job for life.
5. If you are an elite program. You only really have 3-4 obsticales a year tona title.

 

[horn01]

I don't think this is necessarily news. With the glaring exception of Oregon, it seems that the jobs that people assumed would be open will not in fact be open. Herman's rather stunning decline is a big part of that. Sure, we could fire Strong and take a shot at the usual suspects (Saban, Meyer, Gruden, perhaps John Harbaugh) but then what? PJ Fleck?
The loss on Sat was disappointing, but it wasn't the nail in the coffin. I think what bothers me most though, is how we lost. Critical clock management issues at the end of both halves. At the end of the first half we ran six minutes off the clock, which would have been great, had we actually gotten a TD out of the drive. Instead we ran out of time and had to kick a field goal from the 2. We started running clock again late in the fourth quarter, even though we needed a TD. Thats either over confidence or failure to recognize we might not get the ball back with enough time to do anything.
Also, WTH were we doing with the screen passes? Even the color guy at one point commented that we needed to stop running it, because it wasn't there.
I guess my worry is that even with more experienced players next year, these kinds of problems are going to be persistent with Strong at the helm.

 

[bubba2023]

An elite college job is about the same if not better than an NFL job.

1. Money is about the same.
2. More work/life balance in college
3. Don't have to worry about the buisness side
4. Job security. You win you have a job for life.
5. If you are an elite program. You only really have 3-4 obsticales a year tona title.

Yeah but we aren't talking about your run of the mill NFL coach. We are talking about coaches with Superbowl wins on their ledger. Don't give me reasons why Rex Ryan would want to go to the college level. Give me some realistic reasons why the top NFL coaches would want to come. Even if fired Harbaugh, Tomlin, or Payton easily have many highly paid years left in the NFL from their Superbowl rings. You mention job security but please explain Jeff Fisher? Zero production countless contracts. The NFL isn't as cutthroat as you are making it, nor is a college program so cushy.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Yeah but we aren't talking about your run of the mill NFL coach. We are talking about coaches with Superbowl wins on their ledger. Even if fired Harbaugh, Tomlin, or Payton easily have many highly paid years left in the NFL from their Superbowl rings. You mention job security but please explain Jeff Fisher?

Jeff Fisher defies all logic on a number of levels.

I admit that a guy like Payton, Harbaugh or Tomlin has to want to come to college. But I think it's more likely today than say 10 years ago. Yeah you are right they can have any job they want, but you can't win in the NFL without a franchise QB and those are becoming increasingly hard to find. A guy like John Harbaugh at Texas can go get the #1 QB ptospect every single year.

Look at the NFL jobs likely to be open next year.
Jax
Jets
Packers(maybe)

I'd take the Texas job over 2 of those for sure.

 

[bubba2023]

One of those guys has to be fired before the hail mary can even be attempted. If you are an NFL guy, and history has shown that the NFL attracts a different personality than college (and they don't interchange often), why would they think Texas is a better job than the Jets or Packers? The chances are those guys are NFL guys who don't even give college a second thought.

Who are the successful NFL coaches who have jumped down to college? It just doesn't happen, but we're Texas?

 

[ryan_sublett]

That's why I think Harbaugh is more of a posiblity than some of the others. Harbaugh's entire family has or is coaching a college sport. I could see him giving it a shot.

The NFL and college interchange a lot more than the media suggests.

Tom coughlin went 8-3-1 and 9-3 before taking the jags expansion job. He got them tonthe AFC title and the Giants a couple rings.

Denny Green went 8-4 in his last year at Stanfard when you didn't win at Stanfard and had a good run with the Vikings.

Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll, Barry Switzer all won national titles and SBs.

So to me if your a good coach your a good coach. Now it is true that some good college coaches failed in the NFL but I don't think that's proof of much. There are reasons things don't work sometimes. It is also true that we haven't seen NFL coaches leave the NFL to go to college. It's also true the money was different up until about 5 years ago.

 

[nklemons]

Sounds like cooler heads will prevail.

Wise man once said, "If you can keep your cool while everyone around you is losing their's, then you don't understand the severity of the situation."
The truth is that Texas football doesn't look good right now. A losing conference record in a conference that ain't all that great is official dumpster fire territory.

 

[OldHornInPA]

The loss on Sat was disappointing, but it wasn't the nail in the coffin. I think what bothers me most though, is how we lost. Critical clock management issues at the end of both halves. At the end of the first half we ran six minutes off the clock, which would have been great, had we actually gotten a TD out of the drive.....

I agree but I have another comment. The score was 24-19 when we scored our final TD late in the third quarter. Why didn't we go for 2 pts then?

If we make it, then 24-21 and a chance for a tie with a field goal. Miss it and you are still down 5 pts and need a TD.

 

[outhereincali]

Agreed. The D has made great strides since Bedford got sent to his room. If Charlie stays, I'd love to see him stay in charge of the D. Fire our abomination of a DB coach, hire someone who knows what they're doing there, and then use the extra coaching vacancy to hire someone who can unf*ck the special teams.

I know that's right

As for Domingue, ok he did make the winning fg against Baylor we all have to give him that. But as far as everything else goes....... well let my put it this way. No wonder Les Miles took his scholarship away.

 

[TexExSpur]

I agree but I have another comment. The score was 24-19 when we scored our final TD late in the third quarter. Why didn't we go for 2 pts then?

If we make it, then 24-21 and a chance for a tie with a field goal. Miss it and you are still down 5 pts and need a TD.

Too early to chase points in the 3rd quarter.

 

[madcow12]

Too early to chase points in the 3rd quarter.

yup..u don't go for 2 unless you have 2

 

[diadevic]

Per Dallas Morning News this morning (sorry, I get hard copy and can't find article on the net), quoting "inside sources" - Strong will be gone at 6-6, but has a "chance" at remaining if he finishes 7-5.

 

[oldhorn2]

I would think that a Blue Blood College program has a better chance for a coach to succeed in than many, if not most Pro jobs. Lets face it....Cleveland is a certain coaches graveyard and more than half of the others are fairly certain coaches grave yards. I would think that top college jobs, regardless of the current situation( hell it would have to be bad to be open) would be prefferable to most of the pro jobs.

 

[Scholz]

Per Dallas Morning News this morning (sorry, I get hard copy and can't find article on the net), quoting "inside sources" - Strong will be gone at 6-6, but has a "chance" at remaining if he finishes 7-5.

He's definitely back at 7-5 is what I've been reading.

 

[clob94]

He's definitely back at 7-5 is what I've been reading.

That just frustrates the living, breathing, chit out of me.

Have we fallen so far that a 7-5 record is an acceptable record for a coach?

 

[dj701919]

I would think that a Blue Blood College program has a better chance for a coach to succeed in than many, if not most Pro jobs. Lets face it....Cleveland is a certain coaches graveyard and more than half of the others are fairly certain coaches grave yards. I would think that top college jobs, regardless of the current situation( hell it would have to be bad to be open) would be prefferable to most of the pro jobs.

In the NFL you have far greater restrictions on the changing the composition of your team from a talent standpoint.

 

[diadevic]

That just frustrates the living, breathing, chit out of me.

Have we fallen so far that a 7-5 record is an acceptable record for a coach?

7-5 in YEAR 3 in the WORST conference! The Dallas News article pointed out 4 losses by 19 points. But neglected to mention 3 wins by 12 points. ME-DI-OCRE!

 

[Scholz]

That just frustrates the living, breathing, chit out of me.

Have we fallen so far that a 7-5 record is an acceptable record for a coach?

Ha. It's like the dot.com business model. We sucked but not as bad as last year. Upward trend...

I think it's more of a function of giving him one more try with this young squad coming of age next season coupled with the exorbitant cost of replacing him. It's like $25M to put a new HC in place and there's really a bunch of dog crap out there to replace him with anyway.

 

[bubba2023]

I would think that a Blue Blood College program has a better chance for a coach to succeed in than many, if not most Pro jobs. Lets face it....Cleveland is a certain coaches graveyard and more than half of the others are fairly certain coaches grave yards. I would think that top college jobs, regardless of the current situation( hell it would have to be bad to be open) would be prefferable to most of the pro jobs.

I would agree except clearly there is a factor that we as fans are failing to understand. That is that successful pro coaches don't go to the college ranks. Whether that's a stigma that college is a lessor game or just the personality needed to be successful in the pros limits itself to only the pros. It's as if once they get a taste of NFL meat then they aren't even considering college anymore even if the money is comparable. Regardless there is something there you can't deny that.

I am not saying that you can't be successful in both, just that once you reach success in the NFL there doesn't seem to be any going to the college ranks. With very few exceptions. You put 3 former superbowl champions on your list and it's nothing but a pipedream. Especially considering that none of those coaches are going to be out of a job. So not only do you have to get them to think about college coaching, you have to get them to walk from their current employer.

 

[diadevic]

I would agree except clearly there is a factor that we as fans are failing to understand. That is that successful pro coaches don't go to the college ranks. Whether that's a stigma that college is a lessor game or just the personality needed to be successful in the pros limits itself to only the pros. It's as if once they get a taste of NFL meat then they aren't even considering college anymore even if the money is comparable. Regardless there is something there you can't deny that.

I am not saying that you can't be successful in both, just that once you reach success in the NFL there doesn't seem to be any going to the college ranks. With very few exceptions. You put 3 former superbowl champions on your list and it's nothing but a pipedream. Especially considering that none of those coaches are going to be out of a job. So not only do you have to get them to think about college coaching, you have to get them to walk from their current employer.

I remember years ago when DKR retired. It seemed like he had been head coach forever, but he was only 52! He said the primary reason was the grind of recruiting. Imagine, you've climbed the mountain top to the top of your profession, and yet still every single year you have to swallow your pride and watch some 18 year old numbnuts do his little hat show in selecting a school. I love CFB infinitely more than the NFL, but the recruiting shenanigans alone would make me favor the pros if I was a coach.

 

[TexExSpur]

He's back at 6-6 with a shitty bowl win, I promise. ;-)

 

[ryan_sublett]

To me "he has a chance at 7-5" means "we're gonna go hunting for a big name and if we can't get one we will bring him back"

 

[LongfellowDrew]

He's back at 6-6 with a shitty bowl win, I promise. ;-)

I agree. I don't see anyone available that I like but of course nothing I say or like matters so.