Got some Bad News My Dudes

[Bwilk55]

Maybe I overrate UT. I just always thought that 6-6 was the bottom that included a new coach overhauling a roster. I didn't realize that in year 3 this was still "headed in the right direction."

A. I never mentioned 6-6, so don't put words in my mouth.

B. I think people need to step back and look at the big picture. We all know what Charlie inherited. This was not going to be a quick process. If you are not seeing progress than you are not watching. If you think Charlie must go, you lack the patience needed to build something great. Have there been mistakes along the way? Yes. Are there still things that must be fixed? Yes. Will this team be better in 2017 and 2018? Yes and Yes.

C. As some have said, if we do make a change, it better be for someone big. They will have a much easier task ahead of them then Charlie did 3 years ago.

 

[dj701919]

A. I never mentioned 6-6, so don't put words in my mouth.

B. I think people need to step back and look at the big picture. We all know what Charlie inherited. This was not going to be a quick process. If you are not seeing progress than you are not watching. If you think Charlie must go, you lack the patience needed to build something great. Have there been mistakes along the way? Yes. Are there still things that must be fixed? Yes. Will this team be better in 2017 and 2018? Yes and Yes.

C. As some have said, if we do make a change, it better be for someone big. They will have a much easier task ahead of them then Charlie did 3 years ago.

Those are fightin words in these parts.

 

[diadevic]

A. I never mentioned 6-6, so don't put words in my mouth.

B. I think people need to step back and look at the big picture. We all know what Charlie inherited. This was not going to be a quick process. If you are not seeing progress than you are not watching. If you think Charlie must go, you lack the patience needed to build something great. Have there been mistakes along the way? Yes. Are there still things that must be fixed? Yes. Will this team be better in 2017 and 2018? Yes and Yes.

C. As some have said, if we do make a change, it better be for someone big. They will have a much easier task ahead of them then Charlie did 3 years ago.

Not putting words in your mouth, I am just assuming that they lose to TCU. And not picking a fight. College football is a continuous cycle - you get guys for 4 (or 5) years. Typically they are learning their way around campus in year 1. Most begin to have an impact in year 2. Which means you see the fruits in years 3 and 4. This team is in year 3, and is going to finish 6-6. I don't see ANY set of circumstances where a team can go 6-6 at the University of Texas. I know they are young. But I also know they are now 5-5 in a sh*tty conference. Go ahead and keep him, improve to 8-4 with experience, give him another year because of the upward trend, go 9-3, then watch the drop off because all of that experience graduates. This isn't Baylor, or Okie St. or Utah or 90% of the other schools, that have to wait every 4-5 years to break through then start over when the senior leaders graduate. Ohio St. doesn't do that. Oklahoma doesn't do that. Heck even Baylor didn't do that before the implosion.

 

[Bwilk55]

Are you copying and pasting from last offseason? I could have swore I've read that before.

Yes, it was as true last offseason as it is now. That's the point. This team is still the youngest in the nation. That begins to change next year. The following year, we will have one of the most experienced teams in the nation (in terms of career starts). If we can't win more next year or the following, it's time to move on. But at least give Charlie a full recruiting cycle to build a roster top to bottom.

 

[Bwilk55]

Not putting words in your mouth, I am just assuming that they lose to TCU. And not picking a fight. College football is a continuous cycle - you get guys for 4 (or 5) years. Typically they are learning their way around campus in year 1. Most begin to have an impact in year 2. Which means you see the fruits in years 3 and 4. This team is in year 3, and is going to finish 6-6. I don't see ANY set of circumstances where a team can go 6-6 at the University of Texas. I know they are young. But I also know they are now 5-5 in a sh*tty conference. Go ahead and keep him, improve to 8-4 with experience, give him another year because of the upward trend, go 9-3, then watch the drop off because all of that experience graduates. This isn't Baylor, or Okie St. or Utah or 90% of the other schools, that have to wait every 4-5 years to break through then start over when the senior leaders graduate. Ohio St. doesn't do that. Oklahoma doesn't do that. Heck even Baylor didn't do that before the implosion.

I agree...look at the depth chart. We are working with players in year 1 and 2. That's the nucleus of this team. 111 combined starts by freshmen and sophomores, and a lot of playing time for fresh/soph backups. The cupboard was bare when Charlie came in and it has yet to be restocked. Once it's full, we can be like we used to be. No rebuilds just reloads.

http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/texas/92016

 

[clob94]

Everybody Google "mike tomlin" and read the interviews he's given and the assessment of his body language by reporters that have covered him for a decade and you tell me........ does he seem happy in Pittsburgh?

 

[clob94]

Hell pardon the interruption just said he was on the hot seat in Pittsburgh.

 

[clob94]

He thinks we should offer $10M a year to a special team coordinator that has no college head coaching experience and lacks final say over the players on his team.

I know you're trying to be funny but in all seriousness, the next time we see improved play by our special teams, it will be the first time.

 

[HornosaurusRex]

If Strong is on a path to success, he's basically on a path that no other coach of a major program has ever taken.

Dana Bible started as a Longhorn coach with three down years.
'37-39 8-18-1
'40-46 55-13-2

Hook 'em

 

[swVAHorn]

The same old crowd and the same old "all we need is talent"....Bull crap.

It is not just talent. It is when to call a damn timeout.....when to go for it and when not to......it is about making that TALENT IMPROVE.....It is about hiring the RIGHT coaches....it is about BEATING teams that have less talent than YOU do!......

Will 1 more year make Charlie Strong a Championship level coach? I don't think so. He has not shown anything to prove that.

Has Strong proven that he can out coach a single coach that he has coached against? What on offense, defense, or special teams has proven that to you? Winning requires talent. Winning championships requires talent AND coaching.

 

[Pumpedup55]

You guys are living in a fantasy world. There is zero chance of us winning 10 games next year. Zero % chance...... say it with me....

Look.......... we gave him a chance. He's garnered top level classes. He's lost florida kids before they even got here and one dude left after the first week. This is not working and this will not work. You can lipstick that pig all you want but it will not work. Yes, given 10 years we may jump up there and win 10 games once or maybe even twice but that is not our standard.

The silly sh!t we see happening on Saturdays ------- stupid penalties, blocked extra points, poor clock management, coin flip screw ups, kicking off to start the game when you know your team plays better with the lead--- I can go on and on.
Couple this with the fact that there is one original staff member, just one, that's still here........ he came here unprepared. I put some of his struggles at the feet of Steve Patterson (superdeushe) and Patterson thinking that just "making a historic hire as football coach" would be enough to seal patterson's legacy. It didn't, and it won't. He will always be regarded as the worst AD hire in the history of NCAA athletics, and charlie will be the worst head coaching hire at texas ever. Good man, not a great coach. RC Slocum, love him or hate him, said Charlie was a "superb defensive coach". He didn't say "head coach"---- he said "defensive coach". You know, kinda the same thing red McCombs said....

Look, we are going to beat kansas this weekend. It would be a fvcking travesty if we don't, but I think tcu mudholes us next week. We'll be back to 6-6 and headed toward the toilet bowl where the sec will match us up with a team that will grind us up like arkansas did two years ago. Then what? Do the cries of "awwwwww, give him one more year!" will reverberate from the mouths of those that thinks he needs to be treated differently than we would treat ANY OTHER coach with just as crappy a record? We are a flipping joke on defense and special teams. We run such a basic package on offense that teams are catching up with us and our tendencies. Hell, I've seen this offense 10 times so far and I'm calling half the plays correctly before we get to the line of scrimmage. We are predictable!

We can't kick a damn fg to save our lives. We can't cover kicks, punts, and our return game is average at best. We have upperclass offensive lineman that just love getting penalties to kill drives, a wr with stone hands, an olb that could get a personal foul penalty at any moment, another lb that is built like Tarzan but's been playing like Jane....... a secondary that couldn't cover a dead body with a baseball field tarp, and a fan base that's about as excited as bill bellichek at a Tuesday night bingo parlor.

I told you guys when we hired him---- it won't work. I told you after we were plastered by arkysaw that it won't work. I told you after ND, TCU, Iowa st last year--- it won't work. I'm telling you now, it won't work. With another year under his belt in 2017, I will be back here saying it again.........

It won't work.

Great post. Very well said. I agree.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Dana Bible started as a Longhorn coach with three down years.
'37-39 8-18-1
'40-46 55-13-2

Hook 'em

Yep. He is another example of losing early demonstrates you will not win a title at that school.

 

[HornosaurusRex]

Yep. He is another example of losing early demonstrates you will not win a title at that school.

Bill McCartney, Colorado
'82-84 7-25-1
'90 National title

Hook 'em

 

[speedstrength]

If Mike Tomlin is available then pull the trigger. I think he would be better able to handle the outside responsibilities of the Texas job. He was my first choice last time around. The only thing that would concern me with an NFL guy is the OC. Is he going to bring a Todd Haley type or would he stick with what Sterlin is doing?

 

[TexExSpur]

Tomlin? SUMLINS TWIN?

 

[freeper]

My soul aches....at least if Charlie returns, we get to watch him own Stumblin' Sumlin in the recruiting battles....

 

[Mister Moses]

I don't know what you do in the big 12 to get the right coach. It's pick your poison in the big 12 I'm thinking. Pin ball league football.

 

[ryan_sublett]

It's not common for coaches to move in conference but if the Horns are hell bent on making a change in a year where there aren't a lot of great candidates some thought ought to be given to mike Gundy. I know he's known as the "I'm a man" guy but he's actually done a pretty solid job

102-49. One losing season in 11 years. I know there is some concern he doesn't get a long with Boone but some people don't get along. Plus I think he's bigger than ok State at this point and knows it.

At a time where there isn't a lot of sure things out there a gut with over 100 wins in 11 years of coaching in a major conference probably should be interviewed at least.

 

[clob94]

It's not common for coaches to move in conference but if the Horns are hell bent on making a change in a year where there aren't a lot of great candidates some thought ought to be given to mike Gundy. I know he's known as the "I'm a man" guy but he's actually done a pretty solid job

102-49. One losing season in 11 years. I know there is some concern he doesn't get a long with Boone but some people don't get along. Plus I think he's bigger than ok State at this point and knows it.

At a time where there isn't a lot of sure things out there a gut with over 100 wins in 11 years of coaching in a major conference probably should be interviewed at least.

If he were bigger than ok st, he wouldn't be growing that fvcking mullet. And btw, that's his Alma mater.....

 

[ryan_sublett]

I know it's his alma mater clob. Doesn't stop us from asking. Reportedly LSU is doing it. That's one reason I say he's bigger than the university and that's what probably drives Boone nuts. He's an alum so not like forcing him out would be easy and even if he could force him out it's not likely Boone could land a better coach

Just saying if we become hell bent on making a change I think Gundy has to get a call.

 

[dj701919]

It's not common for coaches to move in conference but if the Horns are hell bent on making a change in a year where there aren't a lot of great candidates some thought ought to be given to mike Gundy. I know he's known as the "I'm a man" guy but he's actually done a pretty solid job

102-49. One losing season in 11 years. I know there is some concern he doesn't get a long with Boone but some people don't get along. Plus I think he's bigger than ok State at this point and knows it.

At a time where there isn't a lot of sure things out there a gut with over 100 wins in 11 years of coaching in a major conference probably should be interviewed at least.

I'd rather take a run at Patterson.

 

[misterTeasyEmalcomXf'inAkicksome]

Again, if the guys making the call KNOW they can get someone like Tomlin or John Harbaugh, great. Make the call. For now I'll file those next to us in talks with Jim Harbaugh, or Nick Saban contacting his Austin realtor again... but, if they know it would definitely happen if the call were made? Great!

If we kind of sort of think we might have a chance at them based on his body language, word choice, and rumors that he reportedly likes bbq and breakfast tacos...? Look back at the last time we went through this.

Then look at the last time we were trying to hire a coordinator.

Then look at the process we went through with the baseball coaching vacancy.

And then... give me Coach Strong, season 4, a decent recruiting class, a shot to keep that 10-win promise (which I'll, of course, root for, but also won't get my hopes up about until there's reason to), time to decide what the heck we're doing as far as the long term athletic director, and time to find a more sure thing if year 4 is as doom and gloom as everyone is saying.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Here's probably what's going to happen.
Herman.
No Tomlin
No Harbaugh
No NFL coach period.
F'n Herman which has the same damn resume as Strong.

 

[JonBinge]

Gundy's mullett is incredibly raw.

 

[diadevic]

Gundy's mullett is incredibly raw.

What could he possibly be thinking? Is it like the blue football field - just trying to stand out? Because it does stand out.

 

[Scholz]

OSU has a chance to win the Big XII. Maybe if he cuts the mullet, he'll lose his power like Samson.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Look back at the last time we went through this.

Different set of circumstances. That team was devoid of talent and had a huge issue with discipline. That is two areas Charlie Strong has really fixed. That search also became a huge cluster due to lack of organization and leadership.

hen look at the last time we were trying to hire a coordinator.

Apples and Oranges. No one wants to jump on a sinking ship and that is exactly what has happened. I'm glad Gilbert came aboard, but now we are talking about firing him and his boss. This is way other coordinators did take the job.

Then look at the process we went through with the baseball coaching vacancy.

Legit concern, lets hope we learned a little from that search and are a little more organized.

Here's probably what's going to happen.
Herman.
No Tomlin
No Harbaugh
No NFL coach period.
F'n Herman which has the same damn resume as Strong.

Maybe you're right, but you have to try. No one thought Michigan would snag Harbaugh but the did. You come correct with the right package and the right people you can do exactly what Michigan did.

 

[clob94]

I'd rather take a run at Patterson.

Believe me..... I would too. But imagine you were him and your only son, your oldest boy, your only boy---- suffers from a disorder that will effect him for the rest of his life. And after 3 years of searching for a doctor that "gets you" and especially "gets your son" and you're seeing results in your son that you've never seen from working with other doctors---- like miraculous results---- you aren't changing.

This is Peterson's situation. Part of me agrees you get him to say no----- another part of me says "That's his child-- that's his love. Let's tip our cap to him and let him know 'if the situation were different' but we respect you and your family and wish you the best."

 

[clob94]

Just realized you said patterson......... my bad.

 

[bubba2023]

2013 Mack' final ride: 8-4 with an Oregon bowl game blowout loss. Wins versus two 3-9 teams (ISU and KU), wins versus two 4-8 teams (TCU and West Virginia) with what I would call 2 quality wins over an 8 win KState team and a 10 win OU team.

I wouldn't reflect much on that year.

Has Texas lost to a really bad team this year outside of Cal being Cal? I guess 5-4 KState is as bad as it gets, they're pretty much on par with Texas.

The team continues to grow and age, whoever is here next year is going to win a bunch of ball games.

I don't mean to reflect on it, but it seems it has to be said for some people on this board that Strong didn't start from scratch. What Mack did to this team isn't unprecedented in college football, so it doesn't take an unprecedented path for recovery. Overwhelming evidence is out there that new coaches win early or they don't win at all.

I agree with your point though. Strong's teams record wise are worse but they are pretty much on par with Mack's last few years. That's certainly not a compliment to Strong though.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I'd rather take a run at Patterson.

I would to but he shows no desire to leave. Even when TCU wasn't in a major conference he wouldn't leave.

 

[thedawg27]

I think we should look at this as a good situaltion. We are playing pretty well right now, even with the loss to a ranked WV. Look whats happening at ATM right now, they are imploding (like every year) and they just throw it all on sumlin. They don't have as much money so little brother ain't firing Sumlin for a while. Meanwhile, we need to just be patient and wait for charlie to get four recruiting classes in here or hire a coach that is right for the program

 

[ryan_sublett]

Tom Herrman may be the greatest coach ever. I just don't get the hype. He's had a year in a half of coaching expierence. One great season and one season that is pretty disappointing so far. Keep in mind to it's not as if he had to rebuild the program. They had some success prior to him. My guess is if Herrman hadn't been doing this in state he wouldn't be getting as much play right now.

If we're looking at mid major coaches Brian Harsin would seem more prepared for the job. 4 years as a HC on the verge of his 2nd 10+ win season and in the running for his 2nd New Years 6 bowl

Harsin has the same background as Herrman to. Herrman was a GA for Mack and OC for Urbsn. Harsin was OC for Peterson and Mack.

Nothing against Herrman he may be great. I just think there are better ways to go. Even in mid major area.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Different set of circumstances. That team was devoid of talent and had a huge issue with discipline. That is two areas Charlie Strong has really fixed. That search also became a huge cluster due to lack of organization and leadership.



Apples and Oranges. No one wants to jump on a sinking ship and that is exactly what has happened. I'm glad Gilbert came aboard, but now we are talking about firing him and his boss. This is way other coordinators did take the job.



Legit concern, lets hope we learned a little from that search and are a little more organized.



Maybe you're right, but you have to try. No one thought Michigan would snag Harbaugh but the did. You come correct with the right package and the right people you can do exactly what Michigan did.

I didn't say I don't want Texas to try just facing reality.

 

[horn01]

behind the paywall Ketch has supposedly said Strong has already been informed he is being let go, which will be announced the day after the TCU game. I don't pay, so I can't vouch for that, but its out there.