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Hey Domers

I predict THIS will lead to a well-reasoned, respectable discussion, don't you?

Oh, am I late?

Nah, I like Jefferson. I think he can/will win the Butkis while at Texas. I just defended my guy Jaylon.
I haven't paid too much attention to the watch lists so far other than my guys (ND). Other than Jefferson has anyone else from Texas made a watch list yet?
 
Nah, I like Jefferson. I think he can/will win the Butkis while at Texas. I just defended my guy Jaylon.
I haven't paid too much attention to the watch lists so far other than my guys (ND). Other than Jefferson has anyone else from Texas made a watch list yet?
Yessir, a few. I haven't paid much attention but, Sophomore OL Williams is on the Outland list and Jefferson to the Nagurski. The kids are being recognized.
 
Yessir, a few. I haven't paid much attention but, Sophomore OL Williams is on the Outland list and Jefferson to the Nagurski. The kids are being recognized.

How many lists have came out so far? They do like two a day so it's hard to keep track of?

For us, what I've seen so far:
Maxwell : Kizer & Zaire
Bednarik: Rochelle
Maxey: A. Jones
Outland: J. Jones & McGlinchey
Groza: Yoon
Dodd: Kelly
 
No idea. we don't have many upperclassmen so I doubt we have many on list. The two I listed are true sophomores.
 
No idea. we don't have many upperclassmen so I doubt we have many on list. The two I listed are true sophomores.

I don't think they have announced the Walker or Bilitkinof yet? (WR & RB)

Three of the ones I listed are true sophomores. (and another a redshirt sophomore). We are loaded with Sophomores too. (Seven starters on offense are true sophomores, two are redshirt sophomores, one junior & one senior) . Defense is mostly Juniors & redshirt sophomores. This year is really a preview year for ND since everybody comes back next year, & most in '18.

If Texas improves with their youth this year could be a future CFP preview for '17 or '18.
 
Do a little checking around, and you will see why some of our freshman AA's ARE better than yours, hence the difference in impact heading in to this game.......
Preseason list has Jefferson as a #1 AA LB for the year, and before it is done you can add probably 4 more horns to that list all over the team. Enjoy the festivities in Austin, but just know your asses are gonna get clowned right out of town when you leave with a loss and some wounded pride... well for the douchetard domer fans anyways.... the good fans will be treated with respect. ;)

You are counting on freshmen?

That's nice.

Hey, maybe you'll actually score a touchdown this time
 
Thanks for stopping by Greg.....yeah, maybe we will score a touchdown this year.....say!...as long as we are being friendly and all....what I would do if I were you is enjoy looking at yalls ranking before the game. It is as high as it will be all year....
 
You are counting on freshmen?

That's nice.

Hey, maybe you'll actually score a touchdown this time

Hey, maybe you will learn how to be a better troll in the future... This had nothing to do with simply relying on freshman, but you arean obvious idiot so I dont expect you to follow.... thanks for playing though.... and I am sure we wont see much of you around here bc i figure you will either go full retard and get banned or when Texas beats ND you will fade away like the rest of the trolls here.

Now, if you dont mind the grown ups were trying to talk about things that you obviously werent a part of. Get on back to the kiddie table and work on your trolling junior.
 
Did anyone watch the Opening over the weekend?
I know a bunch ok kids announced.
 
Pretty weird to look at their commit list and only see a couple names that Texas is really recruiting.

We had a pretty good weekend, two big commits & a third is announcing Friday & supposedly gave a silent verbal already.
I think a lot of commits used the weekend as a recruiting trip to try to sway others. Especially the kids from IMG.
 
It is weird to think that with 7 commits our class may be half full already.
 
According to the conversation on the other thread that is perfectly normal for CS.

7 at this point for a class of 25 is normal for Strong. Don't know for a class of ~15 guys. That doesn't leave much wiggle room.
 
7 at this point for a class of 25 is normal for Strong. Don't know for a class of ~15 guys. That doesn't leave much wiggle room.

I mentioned an article I read that was critical & everyone disagreed so I left it alone.
I honestly don't know how the rest of the class will look. If you only are getting 8-9 more guys as you say, it is going to be rough to move up.

So if I understand correctly, you are only going after 8 or so more players for 2017? You are currently ranked 43rd with the 7 you have?

Someone else can chime in who knows more about it than me on how Texas is going to get 8 guys that will get them 30+ spots higher up the rankings? Quite a few said CS always does this & ends up top 15?
They can answer better than I can.
 
I mentioned an article I read that was critical & everyone disagreed so I left it alone.
I honestly don't know how the rest of the class will look. If you only are getting 8-9 more guys as you say, it is going to be rough to move up.

So if I understand correctly, you are only going after 8 or so more players for 2017? You are currently ranked 43rd with the 7 you have?

Someone else can chime in who knows more about it than me on how Texas is going to get 8 guys that will get them 30+ spots higher up the rankings? Quite a few said CS always does this & ends up top 15?
They can answer better than I can.

8 5* kids will jump that ranking SUPER high.. ;) lol does that help you to understand how he can pull a top 15 class with so few players?
 
Farly....this is going to be a very unusual class...unprecedented from the standpoint of normal C Strong classes. The reason is simply that we took an extra 4 guys that were not expected. That will skew our numbers.

The setting for this upcoming class WAS that everyone knows that we HAVE to win this year. If we win at least 8, we will get some bigtime recruits to fill out the class. If we were to win 9 or 10, We might have a shot at all the recruits we want....that was the plan.

Now we are going to be tight on numbers. Strong may be confident that we are going to win more than expected. If that is what they are thinking, they may hold off almost every recruit until the end. Sounds like a dangerous game, but since I just made this whole scenario up in my mind, it might not even be close to what will happen.

In the end, we have 4 fewer spots available than we did 3 weeks ago. I expect even more of a slow play than normal.Also....we already knew that our class ranking would be lower than normal under Strong simply because of the small number of spots available, but we expect the average ranking of signees to be quite high.

I don't know if this helps since I BS-ed my way through the whole thing, but I bet it isn't to far off from what happens. That is because I walk by night and know many things.
 
Farly....this is going to be a very unusual class...unprecedented from the standpoint of normal C Strong classes. The reason is simply that we took an extra 4 guys that were not expected. That will skew our numbers.

The setting for this upcoming class WAS that everyone knows that we HAVE to win this year. If we win at least 8, we will get some bigtime recruits to fill out the class. If we were to win 9 or 10, We might have a shot at all the recruits we want....that was the plan.

Now we are going to be tight on numbers. Strong may be confident that we are going to win more than expected. If that is what they are thinking, they may hold off almost every recruit until the end. Sounds like a dangerous game, but since I just made this whole scenario up in my mind, it might not even be close to what will happen.

In the end, we have 4 fewer spots available than we did 3 weeks ago. I expect even more of a slow play than normal.Also....we already knew that our class ranking would be lower than normal under Strong simply because of the small number of spots available, but we expect the average ranking of signees to be quite high.

I don't know if this helps since I BS-ed my way through the whole thing, but I bet it isn't to far off from what happens. That is because I walk by night and know many things.

Works for me.
I'm not disagreeing with Texas fans on how your program works. I was honestly saying I can't answer, somebody else can that knows more than me.
I was just discussing what we know, what we think, & what are the possible outcomes. Past that I'm pretty clueless. Lol
 
That would do it for sure.

The first thing that has already been pointed out numerous times is that CS has, while at Texas and Louisville, taken his time with recruiting. Where we rank now is relatively meaningless (as all the big name pundits learned last year).

This will be a smaller class so the overall class ranking may suffer a bit but come Feb, do me a favor and sort the class ranking by stars. We are hoping for a smaller class with lots of quality.

If Texas has all the pieces come together and we win 9-10 games, we will be in play for elite recruits such as Marvin Wilson, Dylan Haines and would be in better position to flip JK Dobbins (which many feel is likely) and could even sway Okudah back our way.

Even with a more pedestrian season, winning 7-8 games, we are already in good position to add some quality recruits - Baron Browning, Walker Little, Anthony Hines, Omar Manning, Kary Vincent, Taquon Graham, Levi Jones.

It seems more and more likely that we lose a few commits (Xavier Newman - 3 star OL who is getting crowded out by the 2 baylor OL we added and Major Tennison who Alabama came calling) but we are looking to add a handful of elite recruits. Give it time and it will come together. Just remember to sort by stars when this is all said and done.
 
The first thing that has already been pointed out numerous times is that CS has, while at Texas and Louisville, taken his time with recruiting. Where we rank now is relatively meaningless (as all the big name pundits learned last year).

This will be a smaller class so the overall class ranking may suffer a bit but come Feb, do me a favor and sort the class ranking by stars. We are hoping for a smaller class with lots of quality.

If Texas has all the pieces come together and we win 9-10 games, we will be in play for elite recruits such as Marvin Wilson, Dylan Haines and would be in better position to flip JK Dobbins (which many feel is likely) and could even sway Okudah back our way.

Even with a more pedestrian season, winning 7-8 games, we are already in good position to add some quality recruits - Baron Browning, Walker Little, Anthony Hines, Omar Manning, Kary Vincent, Taquon Graham, Levi Jones.

It seems more and more likely that we lose a few commits (Xavier Newman - 3 star OL who is getting crowded out by the 2 baylor OL we added and Major Tennison who Alabama came calling) but we are looking to add a handful of elite recruits. Give it time and it will come together. Just remember to sort by stars when this is all said and done.

I don't pay as much attention to stars given to players while competing in HS games as I do position rankings given to players at camps against their elite peers.
For example, there were a few players at the Opening who struggled against elite competition & even a few highly rated players who didn't even get invited after competing at the regionals.
On the flip side there were two players I know of that were high 3 star, low 4 star players who were MVP's of their regionals over 5* players, thus invited to the Opening, & did great. Now they both are already upgraded to high 4* after seeing them compete against others in their position rankings, and both got immediate offers from Bama, Michigan & Ohio State.
So if Texas is getting only 8 more guys, they should go after the players that they see compete in person at their camps, & not worry about stars. My opinion at least.
 
I don't pay as much attention to stars given to players while competing in HS games as I do position rankings given to players at camps against their elite peers.
For example, there were a few players at the Opening who struggled against elite competition & even a few highly rated players who didn't even get invited after competing at the regionals.
On the flip side there were two players I know of that were high 3 star, low 4 star players who were MVP's of their regionals over 5* players, thus invited to the Opening, & did great. Now they both are already upgraded to high 4* after seeing them compete against others in their position rankings, and both got immediate offers from Bama, Michigan & Ohio State.
So if Texas is getting only 8 more guys, they should go after the players that they see compete in person at their camps, & not worry about stars. My opinion at least.

You just summarized why Strong wants to see senior seasons and fills over half his classes after he does.
 
I don't pay as much attention to stars given to players while competing in HS games as I do position rankings given to players at camps against their elite peers.
For example, there were a few players at the Opening who struggled against elite competition & even a few highly rated players who didn't even get invited after competing at the regionals.
On the flip side there were two players I know of that were high 3 star, low 4 star players who were MVP's of their regionals over 5* players, thus invited to the Opening, & did great. Now they both are already upgraded to high 4* after seeing them compete against others in their position rankings, and both got immediate offers from Bama, Michigan & Ohio State.
So if Texas is getting only 8 more guys, they should go after the players that they see compete in person at their camps, & not worry about stars. My opinion at least.

I think we can all agree that there is no perfect way to rank recruits, thus the varying rankings among different recruiting sites. Further, CS could care less about stars. However, as uninformed fans star rankings are the best thing we have. The 247 composite also does a nice job of averaging out the differing opinions of the major sites. I see it as the best measuring stick we have, though certainly not the end all be all.
 
7 at this point for a class of 25 is normal for Strong. Don't know for a class of ~15 guys. That doesn't leave much wiggle room.
Even more reason for slow play and the big board just changed with 4 new additions.
 
https://www.profootballfocus.com/co...l&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=college

I mentioned it a few times, but you can read the article on Pro Football Focus. I said I like reading their stuff when evaluating college players because it's NFL scouts analyzing players.
I said I read that NFL scouts think ND's line will be better this year than last despite the loss of two high draft picks, & everyone said I was crazy.
You can read the article that actually rates ND's line as #1 according to Pro Football Focus. And they think ND has multiple more high NFL draft picks on it.
So don't shoot the messenger. Lol
 
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/co...l&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=college

I mentioned it a few times, but you can read the article on Pro Football Focus. I said I like reading their stuff when evaluating college players because it's NFL scouts analyzing players.
I said I read that NFL scouts think ND's line will be better this year than last despite the loss of two high draft picks, & everyone said I was crazy.
You can read the article that actually rates ND's line as #1 according to Pro Football Focus. And they think ND has multiple more high NFL draft picks on it.
So don't shoot the messenger. Lol

Hate to burst your bubble but they are just bloggers and not pro scouts. They are no more knowledgable than you or I.

Why would any NFL scout post his analysis of who his team may or may not interested in? They are pretty much in the business of disinformation to hide who their team wants to draft.

Anyone remember the Ag blogger from that site that called A&M the best OL(?) in the nation last year? He gave the 2 TX FR AAs F grades.

BTW- I think the writer of the linked article is a HS WR coach from west Texas. Google Taylor Wright NFL scout and see if it turns up anything.
 
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I don't know how good ND's defense will be, don't know who is starting at QB, but I can tell you I have 100% confidence in the OLine.

McGlinchey, Nelson & Bars are all expected to be top 2 rounds when eligible. The line coach, Harry Hiestand, is universally considered one of the best by NFL coaches. He is producing NFL Olineman every year & just recruited top 10 players Kraemer (3), Eichenberg (7), Hainsey, (4), Wright (2), Kmet (3) for '16 & '17. And Lugg (25) & in front for 5* Wills.

So the one area of the team I am excited about this year & five years down the road is Oline.
 
Hate to burst your bubble but they are just bloggers and not pro scouts. They are no more knowledgable than you or I.

Why would any NFL scout post his analysis of who his team may or may not interested in? They are pretty much in the business of disinformation to hide who their team wants to draft.

Anyone remember the Ag blogger from that site that called A&M the best OL(?) in the nation last year? He gave the 2 TX FR AAs F grades.

BTW- I think the writer of the linked article is a HS WR coach from west Texas. Google Taylor Wright NFL scout and see if it turns up anything.

PFT has hundreds of regional scouts who provide information & data to NFL scouts.

The regional scouts don't have loyalty to any one team. They just scout for NFL scouts.

And certain groups are more successful than others. So when they review players they are usually pretty close.
 
I know we are young but we can win 8 games or 9. Ou did it in 05 with true freshman qb Bomar and if you guys remember the RRR game there are plenty of videos of Bomar getting demolished. But ou was young with soph running backs and soph and fresh wrs. I think ou went 8-4 that year and won the Holiday bowl. I think ou had a little bit older line the 05 season then we would have this season but they had to replace many guys up there. Next year they went 11-2 and lost to us again cause i remember chanting redshirt freshman after that game at the fair cause of McCoy. That's the year they lost to boise state on maybe one of the greatest plays ever in the Fiesta bowl. I'm just saying all this cause of optimism for this season and next. The train is coming!

Hook 'Em
 
NDAFarly, you asked about awards, two more sophomores. Warren and Foreman were named to the Doak watch list. Only the kids are being recognized on this squad. Big 12 media pol has Texas 5th in conference with OU getting 22 of 24 first place votes.
 
NDAFarly, you asked about awards, two more sophomores. Warren and Foreman were named to the Doak watch list. Only the kids are being recognized on this squad. Big 12 media pol has Texas 5th in conference with OU getting 22 of 24 first place votes.

I saw that. It's interesting two voters voted TCU first place?

I saw the Doak list also. Adams & Folston were both on it too. I missed that Morgan was on the Butkis, Kizer on the O'Brian (but not Zaire).

It's weird that with only around 50 guys on some lists they will have multiples from one team.
 
Jefferson struggled getting off blocks last year in the run game, he's going to need to significantly improve in that aspect to be an all American, which you would expect a freshman to be able to do. You also need to hope your dline develops quickly in order to keep lineman off of your linebackers. I'm not sure you have one dline an who requires a double team. Ridgeway and Jackson where able to do that some last season.

Jefferson played inside last season, he will play outside this coming season, it will go a long way to helping him be in a better position to make plays.

I don't know how good ND's defense will be, don't know who is starting at QB, but I can tell you I have 100% confidence in the OLine.

McGlinchey, Nelson & Bars are all expected to be top 2 rounds when eligible. The line coach, Harry Hiestand, is universally considered one of the best by NFL coaches. He is producing NFL Olineman every year & just recruited top 10 players Kraemer (3), Eichenberg (7), Hainsey, (4), Wright (2), Kmet (3) for '16 & '17. And Lugg (25) & in front for 5* Wills.

So the one area of the team I am excited about this year & five years down the road is Oline.

So far everything I'm reading about the Notre Dame Oline is based upon their run blocking ability. Texas will likely struggle some with stopping the run, but Texas has the speed to put a lot of pressure on the passer.

If the Texas offense comes to play, we can defend you offense in obvious passing downs. Neither offense is going to be very good if they are one dimensional. .
 
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