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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (OU just doesn't matter as much any more...)

It reminds me of the scene in Rocky IV when Rocky is trying to tell Apollo that the fight with him and Drago is just an exhibition match.

Apollo tells him that he might not get it now, but he will when it's over.
Maybe, but I’m not so sure given it will be a consistently played game.
 
Last year's example is just a small piece/later of the overall point.

Look at the Ohio State/Michigan game. In the last few years, that hame has sent the winner into the playoff and the loser into a place where the season feels a little like a failure.

Moving forward, the winner and the loser of a game between 1-loss or undefeated teams won't result in the same situation because both teams will/would make the playoff.

It makes the stakes of that game lower. It doesn't quite mean as much as it meant as recent as the last two years.

It doesn't mean that the two teams hate each other less. It doesn't make the game meaningless. Iy just means that it means less.

This is a situation true across college football.
The 12 team CFP moves the cut line lower, and in doing so lessens the relevance? of late season matchups between undefeated or 1-loss teams. Everyone recognizes that, which is why there's been ongoing discussion of discontinuing conference championship games.

But Texas has had exactly 5 seasons with only one conference loss since the inception of the Big 12 in 1996. in each of those seasons, the single loss was to ou, not aggy. Tack on the two undefeated regular seasons of 2005 and 2009 and the Texas has found itself in a position where a rivalry matchup would have less meaning under the expanded CFP a whopping 25 percent of the time.

I love everything about our current trajectory and the incredible job Sark has done across nearly aspect of the program. But there is no evidence based on the relatively similar current postures of ou and aggy to suggest one rivalry game relative to the other has lesser (or greater) importance going forward. Rather, the more likely long term effect of Texas moving into a much more difficult conference is that all of our rivalry games - ou, aggy, piggy - actually increase in importance because having 1 or 2 losses in conference play would put us at or near the cut line.

The good thing is the games will be played and all of these various hypotheses will get tested against actual results.
 
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The 12 team CFP moves the cut line lower, and in doing so lessens the relevance? of late season matchups between undefeated or 1-loss teams. Everyone recognizes that, which is why there's been ongoing discussion of discontinuing conference championship games.

But Texas has had exactly 5 seasons with only one conference loss since the inception of the Big 12 in 1996. in each of those seasons, the single loss was to ou, not aggy. Tack on the two undefeated regular seasons of 2005 and 2009 and the Texas has found itself in a position where a rivalry matchup would have less meaning under the expanded CFP a whopping 25 percent of the time.

I love everything about our current trajectory and the incredible job Sark has done across nearly aspect of the program. But there is no evidence based on the relatively similar current postures of ou and aggy to suggest one rivalry game relative to the other has lesser (or greater) importance going forward. Rather, the more likely long term effect of Texas moving into a much more difficult conference is that all of our rivalry games - ou, aggy, piggy - actually increase in importance because having 1 or 2 losses in conference play would put us at or near the cut line.

The good thing is the games will be played and all of these various hypotheses will get tested against actual results.
Not relevance.

Importance.
 
Not semantics.

Words matter.
In my profession, I fully and wholeheartedly agree with you. And 14 pages in and thousands? of words later, the vast majority of the responses demonstrate you have yet to persuade or make even a colorable argument to support your original contention.
 
In my profession, I fully and wholeheartedly agree with you. And 14 pages in and thousands? of words later, the vast majority of the responses demonstrate you have yet to persuade or make even a colorable argument to support your original contention.

sesame street k GIF
 
Ya but the UGA game has much larger standings implications. You win that, you’re number 1. UGA is also at the top of the mountain. Aggy is in the foothills.
The two games are different things.

Apples to bananas.
 
Probably a poorly worded Buy/Sell. It think this is a ‘high beta’ situation. Although, I’m very optimistic that the defense can be a huge part of the success, it lacks the depth that Sark loves on the offensive side of the ball. How might just one key injury (to Ant Hill, Manny M or Collins) impact a defense that has shown to be unproven on the back end, replacing 1st rounder and Outland winner at DT and thin at key positions?

I could see an injury or two combined with lack of progress in the defensive backfield being a real issue. I don’t expect it. I just think this will be a really interesting year. I think this defense can be fantastic. Can’t wait to see the increased speed on the edge!
I could not agree more. I'm not as worried about an injury to Hill or any of the DBs as finding defensive tackles who can shore up the middle and a Mike LB who can fill the gaps like Ford. Whatever position we call Hill, he will move around and run to the ball and not run stuff like Ford. I'm excited about the edge guys and young DBs too. We just have to get off the field on 3rd and 2.
 
I'm not as worried about an injury to Hill or any of the DBs as finding defensive tackles who can shore up the middle and a Mike LB who can fill the gaps like Ford.
Not happening, I'm afraid.
 
It is pretty clearly the case. Just an NFL rivalry now. Am I happy when the Cowboys beat the Eagles? Hell yeah. Do I get a little more up for the game then most others? Yup, sure do. At the end of the day though if the Cowboys lost both games to Philly and made the playoffs, advanced a few games, or won the Super Bowl I wouldn't really think to much about it.

Of course if we lost both games and didn't make the playoffs then yeah suddenly I am thinking about Philly a whole lot. Although this kind of just drives the point home to me further with this type of thought. Making the playoffs is what its about now. Once you are there its winning one, two, how many ever and a natty is what matters and they aren't the most important check mark to get there. It still matters, has history, and all that.. but no way in hell its as important.
 
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It is pretty clearly the case. Just an NFL rivalry now. Am I happy when the Cowboys beat the Eagles? Hell yeah. Do I get a little more up for the game then most others? Yup, sure do. At the end of the day though if the Cowboys lost both games to Philly and made the playoffs, advanced a few games, or won the Super Bowl I wouldn't really think to much about it.

Of course if we lost both games and didn't make the playoffs then yeah suddenly I am thinking about Philly a whole lot. Although this kind of just drives the point home to me further with this type of thought. Making the playoffs is what its about now. Once you are there its winning one, two, how many ever and a natty is what matters and they aren't the most important check mark to get there. It still matters, has history, and all that.. but no way in hell its as important.
You can make a case there shouldn't even be divisions.
 
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