Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Shaka is a damn good coach)
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2 out of 3 in baseball
2 Fantastic junior days
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2 out of 3 in baseball
2 Fantastic junior days
and its.......
I already did earlier in this thread. Here's another from your post a month or so ago when you were much harder on Charlie Strong despite the similarities being almost identical to what Smart is facing right now.
Ketch - many of your points were from his days at VCU. Here, he's been a barely above .500 coach (1 gm) in over 2 seasons. As Parcells said, you are what your record says you are.
That said, yes he is appears to be a good leader of men (I don't personally know him, thus the caveat). And yes, he's lost some close games this season against what appears to be a tough conference in a season where the top 10 is shuffling cards on a daily basis. There's more parity today in CBB than ever I can recall. So who knows what is a tough conference and what is a more consistent conference?
At this stage, I can't get onboard with Shaka being a great coach. He's done it at ONE school, but not MY school. Wait until this season ends before you make any declarations.
Charlie won a bcs game prior to Texas and then won 10+ games after. He’s a great coach!
Ok, “always” was a poor choice of words but to my credit the Rivals hoops database only goes back so far.
Like I said, I agreed with everything you said about SS with the exception of the recruiting comment.
Texas absolutely is a national basketball brand thanks to Kevin Durant and the string of 1st round draft picks this program has produced prior to Shaka’s arrival.
From 2006 - 2014 (9 years), Texas signed 6 5-Star basketball players from outside the state of Texas. Since you included Allen (a Texas kid who “could’ve gone anywhere”) we may as well count the 5-star Texas kids (Aldridge, Gibson, James & Turner) from 2005 to 2014 b/c most of them were nationally recruited prospects just like Bamba.
All in all that’s 10 5-star prospects in 10 years. I’d contend that what SS did in signing Bamba, Coleman and Allen was par for the course around here in terms of recruiting success in the prior decade to his arrival,
Otherwise your take is spot on IMO.
He had an awful season.
If this season had followed his first, the attitude about the type of job he's doing would be quite different.
Last season is his scarlet letter.
This is fvcking hilariousBeat OU in BBall
2 out of 3 in baseball
2 Fantastic junior days
and its.......
I love this site, but it is run by a complete clown. Shaka?.......Collin Johnson?
May miss the tourney with a Top 5 draft pick. Shaka!!
Missing Jones hurts (maybe). He wasn’t projected a first or second rounder this year.
Team jacks wayyyy too many threes. No scheme on offense. Guaranteed first round loss if we make it.
At least we didn’t come in last place again. Shaka!!
OU sucks. Literally, they suck. At basketball.
Missing Jones hurts (maybe). He wasn’t projected a first or second rounder this year.
Team jacks wayyyy too many threes. No scheme on offense. Guaranteed first round loss if we make it.
At least we didn’t come in last place again. Shaka!!
OU sucks. Literally, they suck. At basketball.
Always was a poor choice of words. Last decade prior to Shaka’s arrival absolutely.
Barely missing a bowl game is essentially the same as barely missing the NCAA tournament. Perhaps Strong was in contention for Big 12 coach of the year honors when he was fired. Just look at his teams at Louisville and South Florida. Obviously one hell of a coach having to play in a tough conference in the Big 12.
I can't believe that I feel the need to say this for a sizable portion of Orangebloods, but ...
Fellas ...
Shaka Smart is one hell of a basketball coach.
The focus of the lead-off hitter portion of this weekend's column will discuss a number of layers to the Texas basketball program, some that paint some of Smart's work at Texas as a success and some that will point out large failures, but make no mistake about the popular misnomer of Smart not being a good coach that has been making the rounds ... it's dumb.
Shaka Smart is one hell of a coach.
But ...but ... I don't think he can coach?
You don't think a guy that took a team slotted into the play-in game as a No. 11 seed in the NCAA Tournament to the Final Four can coach? A guy who coached a team to consecutive wins over an 11-seed, a 10-seed, a 6-seed, a 3-seed and a 1-seed can coach?
But ...but ... he's a one-hit wonder!
You think a guy that won 27, 28, 29, 27, 26 and 26 games in his first six seasons as a head coach is a one-hit wonder?
But ...but ... he's done a terrible job this year!
No, he's actually done a very good job this year, so much so that he deserves to be a candidate for Big 12 coach of the year. I wouldn't say he deserves to win the award, but he's a worthy candidate.
That's crazy talk. 85-percent! SJW! You're a clown!
Instead of focusing on what he hasn't done with this team, let's focus on what he has done, which is take one of youngest teams in the country (four in the top seven of the current rotation are freshmen) and put it on the door-step of the NCAA Tournament, despite playing in the toughest conference in the country.
A conference so tough that if the team shows up on any given night and plays like a team full of wide-eyed freshmen, an ass-kicking will commence, no matter the opponent.
Oh, and did I mention that along the way he'd lost his best scorer for the rest of the season because of a battle with cancer?
Texas now has six wins against RPI Group 1 teams, which is among the highest marks in the entire country.
Of its 11 losses this season, seven were to teams that went into this week ranked inside the AP Top 25 - No. 7 Texas Tech, No. 9 Gonzaga, No. 12 Duke, No. 13 Kansas, No. 20 West Virginia and No. 22 Michigan.
Three of those loses went into overtime. Two of the three that finished in regulation were lost by six and two points, respectively.
Do you think Mike Krzyzewski walked off the floor in November and thought, "If only that really young team that dominated my team for much of the game had a good coach?"
Do you think that likely Big 12 Coach of the Year Mike Beard thought to himself, "Yeah, that team was down Andrew Jones and pushed us on our home floor as much as anyone has all year ... if they only had a good coach."
Do you think Lon Krugar is thinking to himself this weekend, "How did we lose twice to a team with shitty coaching?"
Yeah, but last year was the worst year in school history.
It was a disaster and it is the scarlet letter that Smart has to wear right now as the Texas coach. No excuses. His failure to boost the roster in a way that would build off of his first year at Texas is his greatest failure as a head basketball coach.
As it stands, he simply hasn't been a success at Texas. That is a truth at the two-season, 27-game mark of his tenure in Austin.
Inside of the belly of a Texas fan base that is living through a near decade-long stretch of historically poor performance and doesn't have an ounce of patience left for disgusting failure, last season arrived at the exact wrong time and place.
A fair assessment of his first three seasons in Austin: decent, disaster and damn good. I'll defend Smart in a lot of areas, but I can't argue that the totality of his three seasons have equated to definitive, tangible success.
We're Texas. We can do better.
Can you?
In terms of recruiting, Smart has proven that he can go toe-to-toe with the giants in the sport and win? Let's keep it real, it almost doesn't make sense that a kid from another time zone picked Texas the way that Mo Bamba did. Smart made that happen. Same with Matt Coleman. Smart made that happen. Jarrett Allen could have gone anywhere, but he picked a team that hadn't been to the Sweet 16 since he was in middle school because of Smart.
In terms of being an important leader of men and the kind of representative a school like Texas desires from its high-profile coaches, you simply can't do better than Smart. Hell, I think the reason I personally like Smart so much is because he's nails in this exact area.
College basketball is about to be brought down to its knees in the near future with a scandal that could engulf as many as 50 programs, and yet, there hasn't been so much as a whisper that Smart is involved in any of it.
Where are you going to find a coach with a Final Four and 6 26+ win seasons on his resume, to go along with a profile that includes great recruiting, honorable representation and integrity inside the program?
Yeah, but I still don't think he can coach.
Back to this again?
Look, I'll end the argument with this ... USA Basketball doesn't put a guy in charge of its Under-18 National Team if he can't coach. The coach before him for the 2014 and 2016 Under-18 National Team?
Billy Donovan. You might have heard of him.
So, you're saying he's going to be a success at Texas?
No, I'm not saying that. I think with more time he's going to take the foundation of players that he has and they'll grow into a very good team, but I don't know that.
While Smart had tremendous success with VCU, circumstances sometimes get the best of great coaches. Vince Lombardi didn't have success after he left Green Bay and coached Washington. Jimmy Johnson never returned to the mountaintop with the Dolphins. Joe Gibbs couldn't make it go right in his second-time around. Larry Brown had ups and downs. Bobby Knight's second act was never close to the success of the first one.
Smart has made poor decisions at times in team building, had some bad luck along the way (losing Allen a year earlier than first believed and now Jones) and plays in one hell of a basketball league.
It's possible that next season will feel empty as well. Maybe it won't work out for Smart in Austin. Maybe it never gets off the ground like everyone thought it would when he was hired. So many of you want absolutes in this discussion and struggle with the layers that reside in-between the black and the white.
The one absolute that I am comfortable with?
Shaka Smart is a hell of a coach and his job performance THIS season has been well above average.
Now, I'll shut up.
No. 2 – The elephant in the room ...
Junior Days are mostly boring these days. Just a brick in a bigger picture wall.
For all of the excitement of it all and the importance of getting prospects on campus, the feeling going into the event was that Texas would likely have a very quiet day on the commitment front. That just wasn't what the Texas coaching staff was trying to accomplish with this particular day.
Same as a year ago. A No. 3 overall class in 2018 had a less than sexy Junior Day opening, but the work from those opening Junior Days produced cash money later in the year.
Among those on hand last year?
Anthony Cook, BJ Foster, DeMarvion Overshown, Casey Thompson, Keontay Ingram, Brennan Eagles and Keondre Coburn. Oh, and Roschon Johnson.
Yeah, the bricks that day helped make a hell of a wall.
No. 3 – The scorecard you need to be keeping in recruiting...
From a year ago in this column:
"It might sound simple, but if you’re Herman and his assistants, the number one thing you want with each kid is the desire from each of them to come back because getting these kids to show up once is the easy part. It’s getting them to show up six times between now and next February that is the trickier part.
SIX TIMES!?!
Yup, six times.
Let’s take the roll call. There’s the Junior Day. Then a spring practice and/or the Spring Game. Eventually, the summer will roll around and Herman and his staff will put together camps and a big recruiting-themed event similar to the Under The Lights deal that Charlie Strong created. Of course, you have to get them on campus for at least one game, right? Finally, comes the official visit in December or January. Oh, if anyone wants to stop by the Texas Relays or the state track meet … well … yeah … that counts, too."
Fast-forward 12 months later and you'll see that the staff absolutely accomplished the mission of getting its top targets on campus at least six times on unofficial visits and they lost very few prospects that turned up that many times in Austin.
One thing that stood out to me from the comments of the top prospects that attended this weekend’s double-dose of Junior Days was the fact that this was not the first rodeo for them with the Texas coaches in Austin. Not hardly.
“Of course. Every time I come visit, it becomes better and better,” said Houston Mayde Creek 2019 DE Marcus Stripling, a four-star defensive end who ranks No. 12 on the current LSR Top 100 list.
If you're Tom Herman and members of the staff, this is what you're thinking...
It wasn't just Stripling. It was a theme with 2019 Converse Judson defensive end DeMarvin Leal, who showed up feeling comfortable enough to sport a burnt orange Texas t-shirt.It was Marcus Banks' fourth visit. Jamal Morris' third. Elijah Higgins' 20th or so.
Get the picture?
You don't often overwhelm kids these days at the highest level of college football recruiting with a single visit. It's a multi-step ladder, one that the staff has proven it will win consistently with if it keeps getting personal time on campus enough times.
Just keep chipping away and the results will come.
No. 4 – The Texas Junior Day visitors by LSR Top 100 ranking ...
Here are the guys in my current top 40 that visited over the weekend.
No. 2 Garrett Wilson - WR - Lake Travis
No. 6 Roschon Johnson - OB - Port Neches-Groves
No. 12 Marcus Stripling - DE - Mayde Creek
No. 13 DeMarvin Leal - DE - Converse Judson
No. 17 Marcel Brooks - LB - Flower Mound Marcus
No. 20 Erick Young - CB - Richmond Bush
No. 24 Elijah Higgins - WR - Austin Bowie
No. 30 Dylan Wright - WR - West Mesquite
No. 31 Jamal Morris - S - Richmond Bush
No. 33 Deondrick Glass - RB - Katy
No. 35 Marcus Banks - CB - Spring Dekaney
No. 40 Gilbert Ibeneme - Pearland
This doesn't include 2019 Westlake Village, California linebacker De'Gabriel Floyd, who ranks No. 95 nationally on the current Rivals100 rankings.
No. 5 – Some things simply deserve their own section ...
This one kind of caught me off-guard.
It isn't something that comes out of the "Great Coaching Ideas Playbook," but I really dig what the coaches did in putting players who probably don't appreciate everything they have (because what 18-22 year old does?) and forcing them to see first-hand what can happen to a life when a few breaks go decisions the wrong way.
I commend the Texas coaches for sending a message of compassion and helping those who could use a helping hand, while providing a healthy perspective along the way.
No. 6 - Story time with Uncle Ketch ...
Speaking of some healthy perspective, here's something about me that most of you almost certainly didn't know ...
I have been the cover-boy of exactly one magazine cover - the February of 2008 edition of Capital Sports Magazine.
Before the interview/photography session, it was proposed to me that the cover photo be of me presented as a "swami" and sitting in some sort of meditation post.
"Don't even worry about your clothes. We're going to photoshop you into a "swami" outfit," I was told.
So, they came over to my house and took photos of me sitting on the floor doing my impersonation of a "swami pose." After about 30 minutes, they left and that was that until shortly before the magazine came out.
That's when I saw the cover photo for the first time.
It was just my face superimposed on the body of what appeared to be a Middle-Eastern man. Just my face. The guy's naked, horrible feet? Not mine. The hairy hands? Not mine.
Just my face. Forever immortalized on the cover of Capital City Sports in the weirdest, most unexpected way one could ever imagine.
No. 7 – Buy or Sell …
BUY or SELL: It’s Signing Day February 2019 & Tom Herman and staff have once again signed a top-5 recruiting class?
(Sell) I'm going to say that Texas finishes with a class in the 6-10 range this year. I don't think you'll see a repeat of the overwhelming dominance of top-10 players in-state that we all witnessed in the last cycle.
BUY or SELL: We have an offensive player who makes first-team all-Big 12 this season?
(Sell) Maybe Collin Johnson?
BUY or SELL: Coaching staff reads the excellent analysis provided by OB on ways to improve our product on the field? Or at least has someone paying attention to what is going on around this crazy place?
(Buy) Everything is read and monitored by someone.
BUY or SELL: The Horns will not have a true freshman in the two-deep on offense and defense, excluding kickers?
(Sell) I think you could easily see players at quarterback, running back, wide receiver, offensive line, defensive line and defensive back challenge for playing time on the two-deep. These are Tom Herman's guys, his first set of guys. They're going to play.
BUY or SELL: Tim Brewster wishes he was in Austin instead of aggy?
(Buy) All of that uproar a year ago when Herman was building his staff was created by one of the best in the business at back-channel marketing. Believe me, I have stories.
BUY or SELL: Although the sample size is small, you have a good feeling that Texas hired the right baseball coach?
(Sell) I have no idea how to read where the baseball program is headed, as it relates to belonging in the elite of the elite.
BUY or SELL: Texas’ next final four is in baseball and it’s sooner than anyone suspects?
(Sell) Nothing has happened to definitively say this about any major men's sports in Austin when comparing them to the others.
BUY or SELL: The FBI basketball investigation will include at least one team/coach from the state of Texas.
(Buy) One? It'll likely closer to five than one. We're talking as many as 50-60 programs.
BUY or SELL: Herb Hand will be directly responsible for improved OL recruiting.
(Sell) I think he'll do a good job, but let's not get carried away.
No. 8 – Eternal Randomness of the Spotty Sports Mind …
... Did Fergie make try to Marilyn Monroe up the national anthem at the NBA all-star game.
... Russell Westbrook is making a habit of getting Processed.
... Twerk Lady stole the Halftime Show.
... As far as I'm concerned, Dennis Smith Jr. won the Slam Dunk context. WHAT IS THIS?!?
... Either get out of Austin Dillon's way or get run out of the way. You choose, I guess. Those final two laps were fun. I like Daytona Overtime.
... Danica Patrick's NASCAR career ended on in a wreck at Daytona. I don't think she did a Discount Double-Check afterwards in pit row.
... Barcelona manager Ernesto Valverde to the media when asked why he dropped Phillppe Coutinho on Saturday: "I think it was best for my team to try to win."
Ouch.
No. 9 – 2 weeks until the big night …
I loved Phantom Tread. Loved it.
I don't know what I was expecting coming in, but this movie totally caught me off-guard in all the right ways. Frankly,I didn't want it to end.
Daniel Day-Lewis is still the GOAT.
My updated Oscars rankings (my picks, not my picks of the actual nominations)
(Still need to see: All the Money in the World, Call Me By Your Name, Phantom Thread, and Roman J. Israel, Esq)
Best Picture
1.Phantom Thread
2. Lady Bird
3. The Shape of Water
4. Darkest Hour
5. Get Out
6. I, Tonya
7. The Post
8. The Disaster Artist
9. Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri
10. The Big Sick
Best Actor
1. Gary Oldman (Darkest Hour)
2. Daniel Day-Lewis (Phantom Thread)
3. James Franco (The Disaster Artist)
4. Daniel Kaluuya (Get Out)
5. William DaFoe (The Florida Project)
Best Actress
1. Sally Hawkins (The Shape of Water)
2. Vicky Krieps (Phantom Thread)
3. Meryl Streep (The Post)
4. Saoirse Ronan (Lady Bird)
5. Frances McDormand (Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri)
Best Supporting Actor
1. Michael Shannon (The Shape of Water)
2. Sam Rockwell (Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri)
3. Richard Jenkins (The Shape of Water)
4. Jason Mitchell (Mudbound)
5. Rob Morgan (Mudbound)
Best Supporting Actress
1. Laurie Metcalf (Lady Bird)
2. Allison Janney (I,Tonya)
3. Holly Hunter (The Big Sick)
4. Carey Mulligan (Mudbound)
5. Leslie Manville (Phantom Thread)
Best Director
1. Paul Thomas Anderson (Phantom Thread)
2. The Shape of Water (Guillermo del Toro)
3. Greta Gerwig (Lady Bird)
4. Jordan Peele (Get Out)
5. Denis Villeneuve (Blade Runner 2049)
No. 10 – And Finally …
No Tweet made me click on its link this weekend faster than this one.
You are on fire with this post. Loved it
You know I didn't say Collin Johnson was going to be first-team All-Big 12?
Maybe I'm not the one that needs a rubber nose right now.
Just based on effort alone this year is disappointing. You cant come out in 25% of your games looking completely uninterested and unprepared. Sure we have had some games that were just the opposite, Duke, Gonzaga to name a couple. But for every game against a big name team where we played well, we had a complete letdown in a game that we should have won, but didn't. Baylor (twice), KSU, TCU.
And the young team stuff isn't really accurate. The youngest players on this team don't play. We have five guys averaging around 30 minutes a game, and a huge drop off after that. 3 of the 5 are juniors. 1 is a lottery pick. At best you can say we lack experience at the PG position. And I will say this, Coleman has really improved over the year, especially his aggressiveness.
But Shaka wants a long range bomber team. And he has failed to recruit that skill for two, and fixing to be three, years in a row. He has a high low team with Bamba and DO, but he never plays that style of offense.
Three years in, he is barely using his bench. And his bench are almost all higher rated recruits than most of the starters in the conference. Check out the ESPN grades, or Rivals rankings, of our players to those on the other conference teams. That tells you what kind of a player development guy Shaka is.
Again, it goes back to a lack of identity on offense, and defense as well. His defense has been anchored by NBA quality centers, or it would be meh. The offense isn't good enough to be called meh the last two years. Next year, no Allen or Bamba, lets see how that plays out. My guess, we will hear about how the three seniors didn't pan out as hoped, but the freshman will all be around for four years, so there is hope in 2020.
I understand that Jones is a big loss, but he still has the #3 pick in the draft (Bamba), two veteran junior guards he has developed (Roach and Davis), a highly touted freshman PG who he hand picked, and the supposedly “best player on the team last year” according to Dustin in Osetkowski. Not to mention a freakishly athletic big man in Sims and a solid guard in Febres.
He still has a lot of pieces. You give Bill self this roster and there is no way in hell they are fighting to just make the tournament.
Good grief. The circumstances are so different that you're basically comparing fruit to veggies.
"In terms of being an important leader of men and the kind of representative a school like Texas desires from its high-profile coaches, you simply can't do better than Smart. Hell, I think the reason I personally like Smart so much is because he's nails in this exact area."
"Leader of men" , "representative of a school like Texas". Heady(!), but, up to now, virtually unsupported stuff.
He's not a winner here, period! Res ipsa. After a few years, none of us are exactly sure where he is leading us to..He crossed right into he political arena while still a fledgling, obviously thinking HIS comments were desired, and using HIS position as a coach at a big school like Texas to be his microphone. That's positional abuse, not leadership.
He strikes me as a young fellow, on the road, learning at our expense. I just hope, if he stays on, he is a quick learner.
Right now, we seem to be treading water, and next year is no surer than this year. But, I hope he succeeds....however, if not
he can go represent a school like, fill-in-the-blank.
"Leader of men" , "representative of a school like Texas". Heady(!), but, up to now, virtually unsupported stuff.
He's not a winner here, period! Res ipsa. After a few years, none of us are exactly sure where he is leading us to..He crossed right into he political arena while still a fledgling, obviously thinking HIS comments were desired, and using HIS position as a coach at a big school like Texas to be his microphone. That's positional abuse, not leadership.
He strikes me as a young fellow, on the road, learning at our expense. I just hope, if he stays on, he is a quick learner.
Right now, we seem to be treading water, and next year is no surer than this year. But, I hope he succeeds....however, if not
he can go represent a school like, fill-in-the-blank.
It was from about 2002-2010 when we were constantly in the sweet 16 and top 2-3 in the conference. Not sure Shaka gets us to the level Rick had with Aldridge, Durant, etc
who is a freshman. Like three of the other top 7 guys in the rotation.
Four times Texas basketball has finished ranked in the top 10 in the last 15 years.
Ok my bad - in both 2013 and 2014 they were the 5 seed / so not favored but at slight underdogs against the 4 seed.
But in 2013 they got blown out by #Michigan (4 seed) / game not even close (78-53)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_Men's_Basketball_Tournament
2014 - also the 5 Seed they got beat in the opening round against Stephen F Austin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_Men's_Basketball_Tournament
2015 - 7 Seed - Opening Round Loss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_Men's_Basketball_Tournament
Does it change the point that they were a 5 seed twice and not a 4 seed?
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